Apparently Gencon was so filled with Nazis comitting microaggressions that POC did not feel safe joining for fear of being triggered. This is from email sent to one of the many Gencon SJW panellists.
QuoteIt was my first time at the convention, and as a QWoC in game design interested in making my move into indie tabletop games, I attended every single seminar on diversity/inclusivity/safety I could because I wanted to get a bead on where the industry stood on that. In the end, you turned out to be one of the only people on those panels who I fully trusted to be up there, speaking on those issues. You, Eloy Lasanta, and Jerry Grayson. 15 hours of seminars. Honestly, there were more than a couple full panels of white women poorly fielding questions on things like culturally sensitive ways to approach game worlds, and I nearly chewed my tongue off sitting through them.
The rest of the time I spent walking the floor trying to keep my shit together from all the microaggressions I was running into, deciding pretty early on that I wouldn't be sitting at a table to game this year because I couldn't trust myself to not contest problematic behaviors. I didn't realize how much energy I had to budget for this con, I did NOT have enough to risk it.
And then Gronan thinks that all this SJW madness isnt real, isnt eating into the hobby, and isnt happening at cons.
Microagressions = "White man looked at me!" "White man was standing in front of me!" "White man smiled at me!" etc ad whiteum.
What the hell? Did Gencon cherry pick all the nuts from the SJW tree as GOH and panelists?
So to break into indie tabletop game design, you need to know about diversity and inclusion.
No wonder the hobby is going to shit if that's becoming the norm at a gamescon.
Tantalizing. I'm interested to see where you go with this.
Quote from: Omega;1052124And then Gronan thinks that all this SJW madness isnt real, isnt eating into the hobby, and isnt happening at cons.
Microagressions = "White man looked at me!" "White man was standing in front of me!" "White man smiled at me!" etc ad whiteum.
What the hell? Did Gencon cherry pick all the nuts from the SJW tree as GOH and panelists?
Either they want out of their way to hire such people. Or a victim of Murphy law. Imo that person is a singular waste of skin. He must drive to work because he would be curled up on a ball in the floor being a onstant victim iof the above microagressions. I hope their is a significant pushback soon but I'm not holding my breath.
Quote from: Gagarth;1052123Apparently Gencon was so filled with Nazi's comitting microaggressions that POC did not feel safe joining for fear of being triggered. This is from email sent to one of the many Gencon SJW panellists.
First post huh Gaggy? Well welcome to the forums; as it turns out, we actually talk about
gaming more than this stuff. Maybe tell us about some game you like, or how you run, or something next time, huh?
Quote from: Gagarth;1052123Apparently Gencon was so filled with Nazi's comitting microaggressions that POC did not feel safe joining for fear of being triggered. This is from email sent to one of the many Gencon SJW panellists.
A link to the original source would be appreciated.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;1052125So to break into indie tabletop game design, you need to know about diversity and inclusion.
No wonder the hobby is going to shit if that's becoming the norm at a gamescon.
Up till about say 5 years ago it was fairly minour things. Saw it once or twice in threads on Arkham Horror with complaints about not enough female characters, not enough black, not enough whatever. Some were valid and some were not.
But in especially the last year its gotten alot worse with designers worrying about being "inclusive" or if having this or that race is "appropriation" and reviewers snidely commenting on the appearance of any non-white in a game as "appropriation" and on and on and on. So far its usually a recurring group. But its spreading and BGG has increasingly embraced and enforced this mindset.
You are going to see this creeping more and more into board games as this poison spreads.
There is also Hasbro changing Ms White to Ms Orchid in the new Clue/Cluedo.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1052136A link to the original source would be appreciated.
Especially as "Nazi" is in the thread title but appears nowhere in the quoted (but unsourced) piece.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1052142Especially as "Nazi" is in the thread title but appears nowhere in the quoted (but unsourced) piece.
Im guessing its off someones twitter post. Twitter seems to suck every atom of intelligence out of people. And yeah the title seems a bit clickbaity.
Gencon 2018 filled with Nazi's...what?
/grammar nazi
No meaningful context.
Trolling is obvious.
Quote from: Azraele;1052134First post huh Gaggy? Well welcome to the forums; as it turns out, we actually talk about gaming more than this stuff. Maybe tell us about some game you like, or how you run, or something next time, huh?
Stop your microaggression.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1052142Especially as "Nazi" is in the thread title but appears nowhere in the quoted (but unsourced) piece.
With this crowd anyone who commits microaggressions is a nazi so if you have issues with that take it up with them.
Troll or not, he's not incorrect about some of these lunatics.
Which is the problem.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1052136A link to the original source would be appreciated.
https://cypheroftyr.com/2018/08/07/why-representation-matters-in-ttrpg-spaces/ (https://cypheroftyr.com/2018/08/07/why-representation-matters-in-ttrpg-spaces/)
Quote from: Gagarth;1052168https://cypheroftyr.com/2018/08/07/why-representation-matters-in-ttrpg-spaces/ (https://cypheroftyr.com/2018/08/07/why-representation-matters-in-ttrpg-spaces/)
thank you.
Not sure what to make of it. There's people going to Gen Con who are triggered by microagressions. That's not new.
https://www.tor.com/2014/08/13/gamings-race-problem-gen-con-and-beyond/
A bunch of old white guys made a hobby and now that's a problem because old white guys are inherently racist so we need to take the hobby away from them in an effort to make marginalized groups feel better.
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
I supposed I could just say, "Shut the fuck up, pussy," but that'd imply something negative about female genitalia I guess. I don't even know the rules to this stupid LARP.
Quote from: Brad;1052172A bunch of old white guys made a hobby and now that's a problem because old white guys are inherently racist so we need to take the hobby away from them in an effort to make marginalized groups feel better.
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
Isn't usually?
"We didn't make it. We don't care about it. But you will damned sure bend over backwards to change it for us" seems to be the rallying cry these days.
Okay so, what you're quoting is from an email delivered to the person who was just, like,
at Gencon. They weren't there crusading or being intimidated; they were just chilling. And this person who
sent the email, they were happy to see another person of color at an event they've been led to believe is really discriminatory and intimidating. Here's the actual takeaway (taken from the actual blog):
QuoteThis is important, a reminder of how you can affect someone and not even realize it at the time. That representation matters, that what you say and do, being visible really matters. TY Jayd!
It matters because so many people don't realize their impact, the weight of their words especially when they are among the visible few POC in #TTRPG spaces. That it matters so much to be seen, and heard. It's a reminder that we too belong in this space. That you cannot and should not let anyone tell you that you do not belong because you're black, brown, queer, non-binary, disabled. That you are part of this community too & you matter.
After my second GenCon, and this email I'm renewed in my mission. Especially to show folks they have a place at the table. That they can belong and thrive and be part of this community and not be shoved aside. if you're reading this, and you never felt like you belong at the table? You're wrong, you do belong here. You are wanted, don't let the few, the vocal minority who gatekeep lock you out. You belong. You matter
Yeah, dude just wants people to feel like they can game. That race/gender isn't really a big deal to the gaming community. That a vocal minority trying to intimidate people that are
already outcasts because they're fucking nerds is crap.
You can mine this for outrage if you really have nothing better to do with your time, but misleading people about it is a really bad way to make your entrance to this forum. We tend to call bullshit when we see it. And your post?
We can smell it through our screensEdit: Also: [ATTACH=CONFIG]2725[/ATTACH]
Quote from: Azraele;1052175Edit: Also: [ATTACH=CONFIG]2725[/ATTACH]
But isn't Nazi actually an abbreviation for an acronym (presumably German for National Socialist Worker's Party), and like acronyms, have a apostrophe when used as a plural?
Quote from: sniderman;1052153Gencon 2018 filled with Nazi's...what?
/grammar nazi
I Didn't See
ANY There - and I was There all
Four days...
- Ed C.
Quote from: Azraele;1052175Okay so, what you're quoting is from an email delivered to the person who was just, like, at Gencon. They weren't there crusading or being intimidated; they were just chilling. And this person who sent the email, they were happy to see another person of color at an event they've been led to believe is really discriminatory and intimidating. Here's the actual takeaway (taken from the actual blog):
Yeah, dude just wants people to feel like they can game. That race/gender isn't really a big deal to the gaming community. That a vocal minority trying to intimidate people that are already outcasts because they're fucking nerds is crap.
You can mine this for outrage if you really have nothing better to do with your time, but misleading people about it is a really bad way to make your entrance to this forum. We tend to call bullshit when we see it. And your post? We can smell it through our screens
You obviously did not comprehend anything you read, so before you go giving grammar advice maybe you should take some classes in reading comprehension. The email as not delivered to someone who was like,
at Gencon. by any definition she is a crusader (https://cypheroftyr.com/bio/) as he she has made a career out giving interviews and participating in panels complaining how gaming is too white.
If you can't spot the markNazi at the poker tablea convention, you were the markNazi.
Just saying. o_O
Letter reads like someone went to the convention with a chip on their shoulder. And it's still there.
A Crusader? Now, right there is a micro-aggression. Tsk, tsk. :D
Whatever...
The complaint in a quote box in the opening post is bullshit.
At Gen Con I saw plenty of African American gamers, heck I probably saw blacks who weren't even from Africa or America. I also saw many same gender couples very open about who and they were - with no one hassling them and no effing 'micro-aggressions' going on.
Heck, during one of the times I had to sit down in lunch area because of pain in my legs I wound up sitting next to a middle aged couple that was a man married to another man. They grew up playing old school D&D and now love board games. We joked about the Klingon symbol from TOS already looking like a 'rainbow' or pride thing over the years.
Gen Con even had special rainbow gay pride t-shirts for sale.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Franky;1052184A Crusader? Now, right there is a micro-aggression. Tsk, tsk. :D
Since Azraele brought up crusading I am sure he will be comforted to know that he is now labelled a microaggressor .
Quote from: Gagarth;1052186Since Azraele brought up crusading I am sure he will be comforted to know that he is now labelled a microaggressor .
And you are now labeled a drooling moron.
Go put on a helmet.
Quote from: Koltar;1052185Whatever...
The complaint in a quote box in the opening post is bullshit.
At Gen Con I saw plenty of African American gamers, heck I probably saw blacks who weren't even from Africa or America. I also saw many same gender couples very open about who and they were - with no one hassling them and no effing 'micro-aggressions' going on.
Heck, during one of the times I had to sit down in lunch area because of pain in my legs I wound up sitting next to a middle aged couple that was a man married to another man. They grew up playing old school D&D and now love board games. We joked about the Klingon symbol from TOS already looking like a 'rainbow' or pride thing over the years.
Gen Con even had special rainbow gay pride t-shirts for sale.
- Ed C.
All of this.
However this thread could actually use one type of Nazi.... (https://www.apostrophe.org.uk/)
Quote from: Warboss Squee;1052167Troll or not, he's not incorrect about some of these lunatics.
Which is the problem.
You say that because you already knew it. The only way posting a random email is of relevance is because it pricks confirmation bias.
It does nothing to show this kind of attitude is typical or common. If you think it is common, it is because you already had some reason to believe it based on prior experience or belief.
For all we know the person who sent this email may have run into a genuinely racist idiot and that coloured the rest of her day. For all we know they may also have been the only genuinely racist idiot there.
There's nothing meaningful to be discussed here. It's just a troll with an agenda trying to stir up political bullshit in their very first post on the site. - Not a good sign.
SJW = Stupid Judgemental Whiners
Nuff said.
Lots of World War II games, and maybe Indiana Jones stuff, and that one Star Trek episode with Nazis in space? Surprising but the details promise to be quite interesting.
Oh, wait, no, it's just another political thread.
Quote from: Azraele;1052134Well welcome to the forums; as it turns out, we actually talk about gaming more than this stuff.
Maybe there are more threads about gaming, but the political threads always get a lot of replies quickly, and politics seeps in everywhere here. So it only turns out like that if the methodology is chosen carefully.
Sadly theres been a gradual increase in grumbling about people playing or making WWII themed games too. Still fairly rare, least as far as I know as I dont frequent the BGG wargame forum much. But it is getting slowly more notable. I dont think anyone has actually called for the banning of play of these games yet. But theres been a few rare loons who equate playing the Germans in a WWII game with actually being a Nazi. These are the same ones though who cant separate fiction from reality and really lost it during the whole "Tournament of Rapists" blowup or D&D and those claiming FIGHTING demons makes you a satan worshipper.
Quote from: Omega;1052199Sadly theres been a gradual increase in grumbling about people playing or making WWII themed games too. Still fairly rare, least as far as I know as I dont frequent the BGG wargame forum much. But it is getting slowly more notable. I dont think anyone has actually called for the banning of play of these games yet. But theres been a few rare loons who equate playing the Germans in a WWII game with actually being a Nazi. These are the same ones though who cant separate fiction from reality and really lost it during the whole "Tournament of Rapists" blowup or D&D and those claiming FIGHTING demons makes you a satan worshipper.
I wonder what those same people think of the actors cast to play Germans in WW2 movies.
Quote from: thedungeondelver;1052200I wonder what those same people think of the actors cast to play Germans in WW2 movies.
Oh not just them, and it goes wayyyyy back to the silent era of film. Some actors and actresses would be acosted by people for the evil deeds their characters did. And in one hilarious yet scary incident a person sought out the actor to have the actor do evil things to them! :D
And back when it was still around the IMDb forums for movies would occasionally have a thread with some nut condemning the actor for doing something that wasnt real. Solemnly stating that actor was a real murderer.
People like this should never be allowed near anything imaginary or make believe.
Quote from: Omega;1052199Sadly theres been a gradual increase in grumbling about people playing or making WWII themed games too. Still fairly rare, least as far as I know as I dont frequent the BGG wargame forum much. But it is getting slowly more notable. I dont think anyone has actually called for the banning of play of these games yet. But theres been a few rare loons who equate playing the Germans in a WWII game with actually being a Nazi. These are the same ones though who cant separate fiction from reality and really lost it during the whole "Tournament of Rapists" blowup or D&D and those claiming FIGHTING demons makes you a satan worshipper.
I've seen more than one lunitic screed about how playing the Germans in a WWII minis game supports facism.
Quote from: Gagarth;1052123Apparently Gencon was so filled with Nazis comitting microaggressions that POC did not feel safe joining for fear of being triggered. This is from email sent to one of the many Gencon SJW panellists.
Not a surprise at all.
Of course, the email could easily be bullshit. The blogger has her agenda and suddenly an email arrives complimenting her and her agenda. Amazeballs.
Next up, mysterious 5 star Yelp reviews for crappy restaurants!!
Quote from: Koltar;1052180I Didn't See ANY There - and I was There all Four days...
But you're a Klingon and thus, a Space Nazi. :eek:
Back in the day, we had guys who dressed up in Nazi cosplay at Axis & Allies tournaments and played in full character...and they weren't Nazis either.
No more Nazi than any British actor.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;1052207I've seen more than one lunitic screed about how playing the Germans in a WWII minis game supports facism.
40k fandom is getting SJW idiocy screeching that playing Space Marines or Imperial Guard (or really any 40k) makes you a fascist.
But yet again, we have the usual SJW dictionary entry where
Nazi = anyone who disagrees with me or likes something I don't.
And the only answer remains RELENTLESS PUSHBACK.
Quote from: Spinachcat;105222540k fandom is getting SJW idiocy screeching that playing Space Marines or Imperial Guard (or really any 40k) makes you a fascist.
I can see it with the WH40K Space Marines who are explicit Ubermensch. But the Imperial Guard seem more like the Red Army to me. Or Verhoeven's Starship Troopers.
I can see sjws having a frothing rage fit at the commisar unit in 40k. If I'm not miztaken they can shoot you were you stand for cowardice in front of the enemy.
In the days before cell-phones at my first Con in LA (OrcCon).. I vividly remember walking into the open gaming area, packed with hundreds of people playing... even back then there were lots of cosplayers (before that was even a word). I was taking it all in, seriously thinking I just stepped into another world.
I had just walked through an entire ballroom filled with wargamers doing a weekend-long re-enactment of World War II, and they were just getting going. And all these *old* guys in there were totally engrossed in it. Which made me engrossed in it - though I never played a wargame in my life.
It was all super-facinating. I felt like Luke in the Mos Eisly cantina...
Then I heard this voice behind me as I was staring into the Open gaming area, "What is this? It looks like the Allies have taken over!"
I turned around and there was this skinny older black guy with a big smile on his face wearing a full Nazi Officer uniform with hat - but because he was a big nerd, and had no sense of style, his afro was jutting out from under his hat. It looked absolutely ridiculous - but he gave no fucks. The look on his face was pure delight at simply being a big nerd among nerds reveling in the camaraderie of our hobby. And my smile of surprise turned into a bigger smile of pure absurd fun.
And it made me realize how much I loved the hobby at the moment...
how times have changed...
Quote from: tenbones;1052315In the days before cell-phones at my first Con in LA (OrcCon).. I vividly remember walking into the open gaming area, packed with hundreds of people playing... even back then there were lots of cosplayers (before that was even a word). I was taking it all in, seriously thinking I just stepped into another world.
I had just walked through an entire ballroom filled with wargamers doing a weekend-long re-enactment of World War II, and they were just getting going. And all these *old* guys in there were totally engrossed in it. Which made me engrossed in it - though I never played a wargame in my life.
I used to go to OrcCon decades ago when I lived in SoCal, and I definitely remember the massive wargaming room. Those guys were hard core. They would have this map of eastern Europe on the Soviet Union that took up a quarter of a large room. They'd start Operation Barbarossa on the first day, and by the afternoon of the last day the advance toward Moscow would still be going on.
Quote from: Dimitrios;1052319I used to go to OrcCon decades ago when I lived in SoCal, and I definitely remember the massive wargaming room. Those guys were hard core. They would have this map of eastern Europe on the Soviet Union that took up a quarter of a large room. They'd start Operation Barbarossa on the first day, and by the afternoon of the last day the advance toward Moscow would still be going on.
Exactly!! It was like looking at an WWII era war-room where all these guys are poring over these massive maps - along with their battlefields meticulously set up, measured for scale etc.
And they had all their aerial battles with these planes on these mobile poles with dials that regulated their movement and manuevering based on the craft - and they did the Battle for Britain and Pearl Harbor - it was insane...
At the end of the weekend - I'm totally exhausted from gaming and I drift past the War Room... and those crazy bastards are still going. I love that passion.
With the talk about WWII quietly being called "problematic" in SJW circles... I wonder how long before it filters down to these guys (if it hasn't already - I don't go to Cons anymore).
I like WWII war games (particularly Panzer Blitz, Panzer Leader and Panzer Grenadier), so I get what you are saying. But it is also true that there is some overlap on the Ven diagram between wargamer nerds who like WWII themed games and Nazi fetishists who like Nazi regalia and hold warm thoughts about the martial spirit of the wehrmacht. These guys are creeps. No one can deny they exist, and they gravitate to these sorts of gaming communities. They also gravitate toward HEMA fencing clubs (we've had to kick a couple out of the one I attend). So, go ahead and enjoy your PKW V vs. T34 matchups, but keep in mind that the germans rounded up and shot millions of innocent civilians while those battles were going on, and there are some super shitty people out there who are kind of cool with it.
Reads thread;
Is it wrong that I now feel mildly inspired to make a story game about being trapped in a WW2 concentration camp. The goal isn't to beat the Nazis, its to survive until the white male Americans (or Russians) save you. :p
Quote from: TJS;1052193You say that because you already knew it. The only way posting a random email is of relevance is because it pricks confirmation bias.
It does nothing to show this kind of attitude is typical or common. If you think it is common, it is because you already had some reason to believe it based on prior experience or belief.
.
So what does? Is the only truth that which Leftiest academics publish based on their typically biased evidence gathering?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1052225Not a surprise at all.
Of course, the email could easily be bullshit. The blogger has her agenda and suddenly an email arrives complimenting her and her agenda. Amazeballs.
Next up, mysterious 5 star Yelp reviews for crappy restaurants!!
My thoughts as well and gearing up to some sort of #METOO campaign.
Quote from: Omega;1052201And back when it was still around the IMDb forums for movies would occasionally have a thread with some nut condemning the actor for doing something that wasnt real. Solemnly stating that actor was a real murderer.
I know that Stephen King got a bunch of nasty letters from animal rights people because the VILLAIN of his book The Dead Zone kicked a dog to death in the opening pages.
He complained about it in his semi-biographical book On Writing.
Quote from: Larsdangly;1052344I like WWII war games (particularly Panzer Blitz, Panzer Leader and Panzer Grenadier), so I get what you are saying. But it is also true that there is some overlap on the Ven diagram between wargamer nerds who like WWII themed games and Nazi fetishists who like Nazi regalia and hold warm thoughts about the martial spirit of the wehrmacht. These guys are creeps. No one can deny they exist, and they gravitate to these sorts of gaming communities. They also gravitate toward HEMA fencing clubs (we've had to kick a couple out of the one I attend). So, go ahead and enjoy your PKW V vs. T34 matchups, but keep in mind that the germans rounded up and shot millions of innocent civilians while those battles were going on, and there are some super shitty people out there who are kind of cool with it.
Alas, I can confirm both, including the part about having to kick some people out:). Though IME, they gravitate more towards WH40k.
Quote from: Chris24601;1052345Reads thread;
Is it wrong that I now feel mildly inspired to make a story game about being trapped in a WW2 concentration camp. The goal isn't to beat the Nazis, its to survive until the white male Americans (or Russians) save you. :p
You're sure to attract glowing reviews;)!
Quote from: Gagarth;1052348So what does? Is the only truth that which Leftiest academics publish based on their typically biased evidence gathering?
You'll go far.
Quote from: Larsdangly;1052344I like WWII war games (particularly Panzer Blitz, Panzer Leader and Panzer Grenadier), so I get what you are saying. But it is also true that there is some overlap on the Ven diagram between wargamer nerds who like WWII themed games and Nazi fetishists who like Nazi regalia and hold warm thoughts about the martial spirit of the wehrmacht. These guys are creeps. No one can deny they exist, and they gravitate to these sorts of gaming communities. They also gravitate toward HEMA fencing clubs (we've had to kick a couple out of the one I attend). So, go ahead and enjoy your PKW V vs. T34 matchups, but keep in mind that the germans rounded up and shot millions of innocent civilians while those battles were going on, and there are some super shitty people out there who are kind of cool with it.
I'm well aware of the history, but I don't really care to dwell on it when commanding my little plastic tanks.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;1052365I'm well aware of the history, but I don't really care to dwell on it when commanding my little plastic tanks.
Is it OK to say that when playing the Chinese forces in a recreation of 1989 Tiananmen?;)
Quote from: HappyDaze;1052368Is it OK to say that when playing the Chinese forces in a recreation of 1989 Tiananmen?;)
Yes.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1052368Is it OK to say that when playing the Chinese forces in a recreation of 1989 Tiananmen?;)
I imagine playing the democracy protestors in that scenario is for those wargamers who
really want a challenge.
Well considering that there have been and still are nutcases who proclaim that in D&D or any RPG that a DM running a villain as a rapist, murderer, jaywalker whatever is for real a Rapist, Murderer, Jaywalker, whatever.
As said. These people should never be allowed near anything imaginary.
Quote from: Omega;1052374Well considering that there have been and still are nutcases who proclaim that in D&D or any RPG that a DM running a villain as a rapist, murderer, jaywalker whatever is for real a Rapist, Murderer, Jaywalker, whatever.
OK, fine... They got me. I am for real a jaywalker.
Quote from: Omega;1052374Well considering that there have been and still are nutcases who proclaim that in D&D or any RPG that a DM running a villain as a rapist, murderer, jaywalker whatever is for real a Rapist, Murderer, Jaywalker, whatever.
Didn't the Puritans abolish the theaters in 1642 because they considered all acting to be lying and inherently wicked?
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1052378Didn't the Puritans abolish the theaters in 1642 because they considered all acting to be lying and inherently wicked?
Possibly. The Puritans were kinda nuts. Then again, absolutely no one liked them, so the histories might be a tad biased.
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1052378Didn't the Puritans abolish the theaters in 1642 because they considered all acting to be lying and inherently wicked?
Yes - and for about 150 years after the restoration King Lear was performed with a happy ending* (it's tragic ending being considered too immoral and depressing).
I think comparisons with puritanism are very much to the point. (What we're dealing with is a
moral movement much more than it is a political movement - it is far more focused on policing behaviour than it is on actually achieving goals).
The most fun you can have at gencon now is to wear a maga hat to organized play games and see how many people you can trigger.
Quote from: mhensley;1052383The most fun you can have at gencon now is to wear a maga hat to organized play games and see how many people you can trigger.
How much did you personally score?
Quote from: mhensley;1052383The most fun you can have at gencon now is to wear a maga hat to organized play games and see how many people you can trigger.
However tempting that may be - it was not wise with the folks I was rooming with.
Most of them know me via Facebook and I do my best to keep my timeline or Wall as non-political as possible..............
..........except for promoting space colonies or settlements on the Moon and Mars......- Ed C.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1052368Is it OK to say that when playing the Chinese forces in a recreation of 1989 Tiananmen?;)
That game never takes very long.
And the tank unit is
total friggin' cheese.
Quote from: Larsdangly;1052344I like WWII war games (particularly Panzer Blitz, Panzer Leader and Panzer Grenadier), so I get what you are saying. But it is also true that there is some overlap on the Ven diagram between wargamer nerds who like WWII themed games and Nazi fetishists who like Nazi regalia and hold warm thoughts about the martial spirit of the wehrmacht. These guys are creeps. No one can deny they exist, and they gravitate to these sorts of gaming communities. They also gravitate toward HEMA fencing clubs (we've had to kick a couple out of the one I attend). So, go ahead and enjoy your PKW V vs. T34 matchups, but keep in mind that the germans rounded up and shot millions of innocent civilians while those battles were going on, and there are some super shitty people out there who are kind of cool with it.
To be fair, this phenomenon isn't restricted to gaming. It plagues any group interested in WWII. I don't read military history forums any more, but back when I briefly lurked on some, I noticed that at least one "Just a little bit
too impressed by the Nazis" guy was always around.
Quote from: Dimitrios;1052418To be fair, this phenomenon isn't restricted to gaming. It plagues any group interested in WWII. I don't read military history forums any more, but back when I briefly lurked on some, I noticed that at least one "Just a little bit too impressed by the Nazis" guy was always around.
Rommel was a tactical genius, so being impressed by him if you're into military history isn't too hard. Like most of the German army, though, he wasn't a Nazi, in at least so far as I can tell. I'm not a WWII aficionado, much more interested in Napoleonics, and Napoleon is my military idol. Does that mean I support oppressing the lower classes and an aristocracy, wanton killing of the enemy, and questionable treatment of allied troops? It's laughably absurd to assume that respect for someone's prowess in an area of expertise somehow implies you implicitly approve of every decision they ever made.
Even Moses did some really bad crap (murder, anyone) but I don't just dismiss Judaism because he wasn't perfect.
Quote from: tenbones;1052315In the days before cell-phones at my first Con in LA (OrcCon).. I vividly remember walking into the open gaming area, packed with hundreds of people playing... even back then there were lots of cosplayers (before that was even a word). I was taking it all in, seriously thinking I just stepped into another world.
I had just walked through an entire ballroom filled with wargamers doing a weekend-long re-enactment of World War II, and they were just getting going. And all these *old* guys in there were totally engrossed in it. Which made me engrossed in it - though I never played a wargame in my life.
It was all super-facinating. I felt like Luke in the Mos Eisly cantina...
Then I heard this voice behind me as I was staring into the Open gaming area, "What is this? It looks like the Allies have taken over!"
I turned around and there was this skinny older black guy with a big smile on his face wearing a full Nazi Officer uniform with hat - but because he was a big nerd, and had no sense of style, his afro was jutting out from under his hat. It looked absolutely ridiculous - but he gave no fucks. The look on his face was pure delight at simply being a big nerd among nerds reveling in the camaraderie of our hobby. And my smile of surprise turned into a bigger smile of pure absurd fun.
And it made me realize how much I loved the hobby at the moment...
how times have changed...
I like this story. There is a joie de vivre here that feels lost from modernity's 'post-partem polemical depression'.
Five stages of grief and all that, people. :) Even in the midst of "the bad ol' days" people could let down their guard and have a little absurdist fun. Self-righteousness junkies need to detox before things get worse (... and things can *always* get worse,).
Quote from: mhensley;1052383The most fun you can have at gencon now is to wear a maga hat to organized play games and see how many people you can trigger.
That might get you punched in the face by a tatted up power ranger.
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1052439That might get you punched in the face by a tatted up power ranger.
Or the excuse of cultural appropriation if your white and not asian. Or he looked too long in the direction of the tatted up power ranget. Or he said something that triggered him. The list is endless.
It's important not to buy into the climate of fear. We have to stand up to these assholes.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1052751It's important not to buy into the climate of fear. We have to stand up to these assholes.
This right here. I have been asked aka told to leave public / convention games because I would not bash the President or someone's faith. I play games to have fun not stroke the ego of the game master.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1052751It's important not to buy into the climate of fear. We have to stand up to these assholes.
The most logical way to do this appears to be just not attending their conventions. If they are not supported financially, then they will not be able to sustain themselves.
Quote from: Gagarth;1052123Apparently Gencon was so filled with Nazis comitting microaggressions that POC did not feel safe joining for fear of being triggered. This is from email sent to one of the many Gencon SJW panellists.
Wait, so... at a
game convention, they had seminars on things other than...
games? I'll have to ask my doctor friend if his next medical conference has a seminar on gaming, and scientist friends if they have a seminar on fishing.
And this person went to a
game convention and
didn't game? That's like a celibate nun going to a sexpo - why tease yourself like that? Game on!
It's as I've said for years: the real threat to the hobby isn't the old grognard fatbeards or catpissmen, it's the BNGs - the bitter non-gamers. That's how we got all that storygame nonsense and D&D4e, a bunch of people who were too stupid, lazy and misanthropic to sit down around a table, eat snacks and
talk to people ended up writing games. Which of course were awful.
Here's a microaggression for you: if you don't game then
you don't belong. What you have in your pants and where you like to put it and the details of your family tree are a matter of complete indifference to us all. But if you don't game and don't want to game, get the fuck out of my hobby. QWoCs are welcome, BNGs can fuck off.
Gagarth, do you even game, bro?
Quote from: jeff37923;1052775The most logical way to do this appears to be just not attending their conventions. If they are not supported financially, then they will not be able to sustain themselves.
THIS is the answer.
Now its just important to identify which conventions won't pander to SJWs...and see if they survive the social media onslaught.
AND if a con does have the guts to stand up, they MUST be supported and not left to hang in the wind.
Quote from: jeff37923;1052775The most logical way to do this appears to be just not attending their conventions. If they are not supported financially, then they will not be able to sustain themselves.
In this era of Patreon and Kickstarter that tactic doesnt work as well. Grifters like Anita can rake in hundreds of thousands or just play wounded gazelle and get donations.
And we are seeing companies start to adopt a "Fans are bad. We dont need fans." marketing mindset in media. If GenCon fails its the "Toxic" fans fault. "We dont need those dirty fans with their expectations of playing D&D the RPG." ad nausium.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1052751It's important not to buy into the climate of fear. We have to stand up to these assholes.
The problem is that people have been standing up to them and the SJWs and Feminists have just started calling anyone who speaks out as Nazis and Toxic Males and of course that closes down any resistance.
Quote from: Omega;1052784And we are seeing companies start to adopt a "Fans are bad. We dont need fans." marketing mindset in media.
No company wants fans. Everyone wants repeat customers and begrudgingly do the necessary marketing masturbation to make people believe its more than a financial transaction.
Fans THINK "fan" means "person whose opinion is valuable to the company" whereas the company KNOWS the word "fan" means "easier sales target."
When fans become hard to deal with (aka, want to have the opinions taken seriously), its not surprising companies would dial back on "engaging the community".
Stop trying to win internet arguments and create your own institutions.
Quote from: Ashakyre;1052794Stop trying to win internet arguments and create your own institutions.
Ah, but even creating your own thing is considered a threat by the SocJus crowd. More on that in a few weeks.
Quote from: Ashakyre;1052794Stop trying to win internet arguments and create your own institutions.
They will target your payment processor, which has SJWs in its staff if not its board, and deplatform you.
They will target your host provider, which has SJWs in its staff if not its board, and deplatform you.
They will target your bank, which has SJWs in its staff if not its board, and deplatform you.
They will target your governments, which has SJWs in its staff if not in office, and push through legal changes to legitimize this practice and safeguard it in the courts.
They will do these things because they have, starting with the usual Acceptable Targets to normalize the practice Boiling Frog Style.
They hate you, want you dead, and want to pervert and turn out your children to become their successors and destroy your legacy. This is not a polite dispute; this is the same dirty total war that began in 1917 and it won't stop until these wannabee world-conquerors are stomped out and their ashes both blessed and salted so nothing grows after it.
But Bradford, how do you really feel? :)
Fortunately, the SJWs don't have the control nor reach they desire (or claim to have). Its quite possible for TrumpCon to both launch and succeed.
What? Everyone knows any non-SJW con might as well rename itself TrumpCon!
And the free publicity would be AH-mazing!
Quote from: Omega;1052785The problem is that people have been standing up to them and the SJWs and Feminists have just started calling anyone who speaks out as Nazis and Toxic Males and of course that closes down any resistance.
Control the language and you control the debate.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1052780Gagarth, do you even game, bro?
I have been gaming since 1979 and I have never had a neckbeard. What gave you the idea that I do not game?
Quote from: Gagarth;1052827I have been gaming since 1979 and I have never had a neckbeard. What gave you the idea that I do not game?
Everyone has their bogeyman. For Kyle Aaron, it's Bitter Non Gamers like myself; for the Pundit, it's "the Swine"; for me, it's anti-Christian cultists of Venus Paneros and her consort Moloch. :)
Does anyone know what was actually said at Anitas panel at GenCon? I can guess it was the usual "everything is sexist yadda yadda" screed.
Quote from: Omega;1052837Does anyone know what was actually said at Anitas panel at GenCon? I can guess it was the usual "everything is sexist yadda yadda" screed.
It would be interesting to know what she did say and how it was received. In video games, there isn't a large percentage of heroines and GTA does let you fuck a prostitute and then kick her out of the car without paying her.
In RPGs, female players have been around since the beginning and while purple might have you believe there's a PC rapist at every table, that's not the reality. Also anecdotal evidence shows a lot of female gamers like the Red Sonja-type characters, the sexy kickass warriors or Witcher-style powerful sorceresses, etc, and aren't sex-negative.
Of course, I'm sure a good chunk of the 2000 people who heard the speech were Identitarians, so she was basically preaching to the choir, but still, it would be interesting to hear the responses.
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1052800They will target your payment processor, which has SJWs in its staff if not its board, and deplatform you.
They will target your host provider, which has SJWs in its staff if not its board, and deplatform you.
They will target your bank, which has SJWs in its staff if not its board, and deplatform you.
They will target your governments, which has SJWs in its staff if not in office, and push through legal changes to legitimize this practice and safeguard it in the courts.
They will do these things because they have, starting with the usual Acceptable Targets to normalize the practice Boiling Frog Style.
They hate you, want you dead, and want to pervert and turn out your children to become their successors and destroy your legacy. This is not a polite dispute; this is the same dirty total war that began in 1917 and it won't stop until these wannabee world-conquerors are stomped out and their ashes both blessed and salted so nothing grows after it.
This gave me a war-boner.
Nobody saw Anita's panel which is why you haven't heard about it. Nobody goes to panels at Gencon
I've been trying to find info about it for a couple weeks now. The GenCon listing for the event said it would be on their Twitch and YouTube for view after the convention. My Google-fu is either so weak that I am failing at finding those, or no one is talking about it/showing it.
Good. The less attention Auntie Anita gets, the better.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1052858Good. The less attention Auntie Anita gets, the better.
I wonder about that. It seems that the more people who are exposed to her and her antics, the less credibility she garners.
Quote from: Omega;1052837Does anyone know what was actually said at Anitas panel at GenCon? I can guess it was the usual "everything is sexist yadda yadda" screed.
The GOH panels or supposed discussions had a delayed stream on twitch the following day, it is as if they did not want these things floating around. I was most interested in the one with Nolan T Jones because of a tweet from Roll20app with him saying that they curated the content on Roll20. I really wanted to know what the fuck he meant by curating content. Unfortunately I only caught the end of it where he was lamenting the fact that the front rows had white guys in them. Also the event was moderated by the recipient of the email that sparked this thread off.
Quote from: Lurtch;1052844Nobody saw Anita's panel which is why you haven't heard about it. Nobody goes to panels at Gencon
When I went back in 2016, I went to the Delta Green panel. It was a full house too. Then again, that panel was of interest to me, and it didn't conflict with playing any games I was interested in (I remember I skipped another one because it was at the same time Steve Perrin was running a demo of his rewrite of Superhero 2044, and I'd rather play a game with Steve Perrin than attend a panel, cause it's Steve Perrin)
Quote from: jeff37923;1052868I wonder about that. It seems that the more people who are exposed to her and her antics, the less credibility she garners.
I think we hit saturation during Gamergate. I hope we're at the point where she can fade into obscurity again.
[video=youtube;LxiLUEgN6vQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxiLUEgN6vQ[/youtube]
Quote from: jeff37923;1052868I wonder about that. It seems that the more people who are exposed to her and her antics, the less credibility she garners.
Not actually at the panels. A year or so back she was at a panel with a fellow named Boogie who is a pretty mild and friendly person. (I think HE invited her to the panel?) And at the end he closed the session saying something to the effect of "Harassment happens to anyone, male female, etc and we need to work together to stop it." and she flipped out and called him a "Garbage human Being" and the attendees applauded Anita.
Some may see the video of it after and see what a sociopath Anita and her harridans and bootlickers are. But others will drink the kool-aid and demonize this guy.
Quote from: Gagarth;1052872I was most interested in the one with Nolan T Jones because of a tweet from Roll20app with him saying that they curated the content on Roll20. I really wanted to know what the fuck he meant by curating content.
In this case it likely means they are saving data and it becomes part of a database. That could be private or it could be public. Or both. It could be as simple as just saving all chat logs which is VERY common and goes way way back to at least the MUD era online. Useful if someone files a complaint. A moderator can check the log files and see if the claim was true.
They might be referring to the marketing term though in which case that might be something like subscribers get access to stuff others dont. But that seems the case anyhow do probably not that?
Quote from: Omega;1052916Not actually at the panels. A year or so back she was at a panel with a fellow named Boogie who is a pretty mild and friendly person. (I think HE invited her to the panel?) And at the end he closed the session saying something to the effect of "Harassment happens to anyone, male female, etc and we need to work together to stop it." and she flipped out and called him a "Garbage human Being" and the attendees applauded Anita.
Some may see the video of it after and see what a sociopath Anita and her harridans and bootlickers are. But others will drink the kool-aid and demonize this guy.
You're crossing the streams. Boogie got screamed at backstage. Sargon was the garbage human.
Here is Anita's post-GenCon tweet...the comment section (as usual) is the best part
https://twitter.com/anitasarkeesian/status/1025765892276273154
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1052831For Kyle Aaron, it's Bitter Non Gamers like myself;
Why are you a Bitter Non-Gamer?
You could easily become a Happy Gamer instead.
Quote from: CRKrueger;1052841and while purple might have you believe there's a PC rapist at every table, that's not the reality.
So we're behind in quota? AGAIN!
But its funny how "storygamers" keep finding rapists in their midst...
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1052842This gave me a war-boner.
Our work here is done!
Quote from: Omega;1052917In this case it likely means they are saving data and it becomes part of a database. That could be private or it could be public. Or both. It could be as simple as just saving all chat logs which is VERY common and goes way way back to at least the MUD era online. Useful if someone files a complaint. A moderator can check the log files and see if the claim was true.
They might be referring to the marketing term though in which case that might be something like subscribers get access to stuff others dont. But that seems the case anyhow do probably not that?
No. The context that was it was said in was basically what, they would and would not allow to be played and Nolan T has a history of declaring he was going to hunt down someone guilty of wrongthink. What types of games they are curating off the site I do not know as the site is pretty keen on Maid.
I'm surprised at how little activity her tweet has.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;1052928You're crossing the streams. Boogie got screamed at backstage. Sargon was the garbage human.
You are probably right. Im likely mixing the two up.
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1052981I'm surprised at how little activity her tweet has.
I was watching a video on stellar scale, and they were explaining the distance in miles to the to the Cold Spot (the Eridanus Super Void) found in the Cosmic Microwave Background image is 10-billion Light Years away, or 1 Sarkeesian Block List Unit.
It's that big.
Quote from: tenbones;1053003I was watching a video on stellar scale, and they were explaining the distance in miles to the to the Cold Spot (the Eridanus Super Void) found in the Cosmic Microwave Background image is 10-billion Light Years away, or 1 Sarkeesian Block List Unit.
It's that big.
A+++ post, would read again.
Quote from: tenbones;1053003I was watching a video on stellar scale, and they were explaining the distance in miles to the to the Cold Spot (the Eridanus Super Void) found in the Cosmic Microwave Background image is 10-billion Light Years away, or 1 Sarkeesian Block List Unit.
It's that big.
Standing O
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1052981I'm surprised at how little activity her tweet has.
I read "tweet" differently. It still fits, though. Perhaps better.
It could be because she clears it alot and/or blocks alot of people.
Quote from: Omega;1053063It could be because she clears it alot and/or blocks alot of people.
Please take this microphone so that you may promptly drop it.
Quote from: jeff37923;1052775The most logical way to do this appears to be just not attending their conventions. If they are not supported financially, then they will not be able to sustain themselves.
True. And at the same time, to support conventions and other events (and publishers and designers) who don't actually despise you.
Quote from: Omega;1052837Does anyone know what was actually said at Anitas panel at GenCon? I can guess it was the usual "everything is sexist yadda yadda" screed.
She got totally overshadowed, ironically, by the violent attack on Jeremy Hambly.