Hello Folks,
Here is my thread of pictures I took at Gen Con 2019.
This year I roomed with at least 3 other people at first one Hotel , then a second one. Also had bothersome knee pain - more than usual because of a stairway fall back in June. I still toughed it out and wore my Klingon Outfit on Friday and did the Steampunk look
Here are the pictures...
2019, AUG 01 0940 Thu 001 The 'Welcome Gen Con' banners on the street. I took this from the skywalk near the Hyatt
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Opening the Doors to the Vendor Hall
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Sign of Gen Con Shirts, and yes lots of people were wearing that LGBTQ Rainbow shirt...
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Yes, Carmen Sandiego is back. This young woman is a friend. For the past five years she goes around Gen Con doing a geography picture quiz. When she shows you a picture of a place and you correctly guess 'where' it is she give you a button that says "I found Carmen Sandiego at Gen Con 2019". All the photos are pictures she actually took from her vacations over the years.
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A horizontal of landscape picture of Carmen Sandiego
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More later.....(Forum only lets me post 5 at a time)
....More pictures from Thursday August 1st...
The Band Il Troubadore...
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Another picture of Il Troubadore entertaining the crowd near the Vendor Hall Doors
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The Will Call Line. I asked their permission to take the picture. Consent is very important at Gen Con
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That is Steve Jackson posing with me. He complimented my outfit, I had to remind that he used to see me in a Klingon uniform and makeup years ago.
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They are 4 members of an Indianapolis symphony group who were taking donations when people requested selections of music from geeky movies.
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....More Pictures...
The Orchestra group
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That is a really Cool banner for Cyberpunk that was hanging near the Sagamore room
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This is the JBM Press t-shirt booth and the family that runs it. If you have a good memory and were at Gen Con over 10 years ago, that woman was 'Chainmail Girl' at the con from 2000 to 2009.
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That is someone I call the "Other Carmen Sandiego" (She is not the one I know or am used to)
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That is me in my Klingon gear near the Modiphius booth and tables...
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...More soon..
Love the Steve Jackson photo!
....More Pictures, most of these are from Friday when I wore my Klingon outfit...
That's me, Khar'Ton chilling out at the Studio 2 area booth. I think the crowd was getting on my nerves
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College Girl and qartun the Klingon. She asked to take a picture with me. That was in the really long connecting hallway to Lucas Oil field stadium.
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Lucas Field , Gaming All Over the field
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At Lucas Field where the NFL team plays, Game Tables almost everywhere
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Walkers in a Star Wars miniatures game...
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...More pictures soon....
Quote from: Koltar;1098900That is a really Cool banner for Shadowrun that was hanging near the Sagamore room
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You work in a game store and you still cannot bother to read the large letters that say "Cyberpunk" on the banner even though you think it is really Cool?!
Oh look Jeff made a petty comment about a typo.
My notes said 'cyberpunk or Shadowrun'. The pictures while trying to upload them look smaller than thumbnails.
You could have just said something in a private message
Also sweat was running into my eyes that day when I took the picture. I just saw a Really Cool poster - wasn't looking for an argument or nitpick - apparently others are.
- Ed C.
It IS a really cool poster for Shadowrun.
The imagery looks easily like Shadowrun art and the Cyberpunk name is off to the side and feels minimized.
Koltar, please keep posting pics!
Also, how do you not melt down into a sweat puddle in your Klingon gear?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1098936Also, how do you not melt down into a sweat puddle in your Klingon gear?
You kind of get used to it. Most years I can tough it out for at least 4 to 7 hours.
Last year a lot of people loved the return of the Klingon look after maybe 10 years.
There is a trick to deflect sweat off of one's face using a certain feminine hygiene product if it is trimmed and put strategically underneath the fake forehead - this year I forgot to buy that ahead of time.
Next year I will plan that out better.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Koltar;1098923Oh look Jeff made a petty comment about a typo.
My notes said 'cyberpunk or Shadowrun'. The pictures while trying to upload them look smaller than thumbnails.
You could have just said something in a private message
Also sweat was running into my eyes that day when I took the picture. I just saw a Really Cool poster - wasn't looking for an argument or nitpick - apparently others are.
- Ed C.
Sorry to have caught your obvious mistake there, Koltar! :rolleyes:
I'm sure that you will always Get It Right when it is some cosplayer chick dressing up as Carmen San Diego!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1098936It IS a really cool poster for Shadowrun.
Not you too!
Old age means getting better glasses prescriptions, apparently.
There was a new Shadowrun game released at Gencon, right? Good to see they had a big poster advertising it.
Quote from: Shasarak;1098959There was a new Shadowrun game released at Gencon, right? Good to see they had a big poster advertising it.
You get a pass. You are from New Zealand and everyone knows that they are fucked up down there in the shadow of Australia.
Quote from: jeff37923;1098946I'm sure that you will always Get It Right when it is some cosplayer chick dressing up as Carmen San Diego!
You just felt like being very rude?
The first Carmen in the pictures is not 'some cosplayer chick' - I would never refer to her that way.
She is a friend that I have known for years.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Koltar;1098962You just felt like being very rude?
The first Carmen in the pictures is not 'some cosplayer chick' - I would never refer to her that way.
She is a friend that I have known for years.
- Ed C.
If only someone who worked at a game store could get that same accuracy with a new game being premiered! At GenCon! You know, the "Best Four Days In Gaming". It is no wonder that the FLGS is going the way of the dinosaur.
EDIT: I'm going off right now because we just had a thread here asking if GenCon was relevant (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40958-Is-GenCon-Relevant) and from the photos you are showing us (plus the commentary), it isn't. At least not for gaming anymore.
...More Pictures, starting mid day Friday the 2nd....
Captain Khar'Ton (Me) and a Borderlands woman...
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The Klingon Gear carefully jumbled on a couch back at the Hotel room
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Opening of The Doors to the Vendor Hall Saturday morning August 3rd...
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The crowd in the Board games area...
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Martian Front miniatures game
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...More later tonight...
Quote from: jeff37923;1098947Not you too!
Old age means getting better glasses prescriptions, apparently.
I can read it just fine, but I'm talking about the initial visual impact.
But maybe THAT brand confusion was the plan. Maybe since CP has been out of the market and Shadowrun is a mega-player, their plan was to visually piggyback on the Shadowrun imagery to get people interested once they saw the Cyberpunk wording.
AKA, if I use Elmore style art (or actual Elmore art) to pimp my fantasy RPG, then I'm obviously tapping into the Forgotten Realms branding.
Quote from: Koltar;1098945There is a trick to deflect sweat off of one's face using a certain feminine hygiene product if it is trimmed and put strategically underneath the fake forehead
The "tampon under the hat" is an old theater trick!
I learned it from an F/X guy who did haunted houses.
Like many theater tricks, its under the "if it works, use it!" rule.
More pics!!!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1098978I can read it just fine, but I'm talking about the initial visual impact.
But maybe THAT brand confusion was the plan. Maybe since CP has been out of the market and Shadowrun is a mega-player, their plan was to visually piggyback on the Shadowrun imagery to get people interested once they saw the Cyberpunk wording.
Um, Shadowrun is a fantasy/cyberpunk mashup. So if they were going to claim that it was Shadowrun, then where are the fantasy races that are on almost every Shadowrun cover?
The artist who did that piece and the covers for the Cyperpunk Red Jumpstart Kit is named Anselm Zielonka, his ArtStation site is here.
(https://www.artstation.com/alonka) He has never worked on Shadowrun.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1098978AKA, if I use Elmore style art (or actual Elmore art) to pimp my fantasy RPG, then I'm obviously tapping into the Forgotten Realms branding.
So when Elmore did the cover art for Star Frontiers and the black & white interior art for Traveller 4, those were obvious attempts to tap into the Forgotten Realms branding?
I want whatever it is you've been smoking!
Quote from: jeff37923;1098987So when Elmore did the cover art for Star Frontiers and the black & white interior art for Traveller 4, those were obvious attempts to tap into the Forgotten Realms branding?
I want whatever it is you've been smoking!
I agree here. Elmore also did the cover art for Cyberpunk.
I disagree that the photos mean the con is irrelevant to gaming. We tend to take pics of interesting stuff. People sitting at a table playing RPGs tends not to be very interesting. And back before digital you had limited camera film to snap stuff. My old con photo album is full of odds-n-ends that just caught my interest at a moment had the camera ready.
My old GenCon vhs camcorder vids though were one looooooooooooong tour of the place, dealers area, various gaming rooms and displays, seminar rooms and people playing as passed by till ran out of steam.
Quote from: Omega;1099009I agree here. Elmore also did the cover art for Cyberpunk.
The guy who did the cover art for Cyberpunk 2020 was Doug Anderson....
Quote from: Omega;1099009I disagree that the photos mean the con is irrelevant to gaming. We tend to take pics of interesting stuff. People sitting at a table playing RPGs tends not to be very interesting. And back before digital you had limited camera film to snap stuff. My old con photo album is full of odds-n-ends that just caught my interest at a moment had the camera ready.
My old GenCon vhs camcorder vids though were one looooooooooooong tour of the place, dealers area, various gaming rooms and displays, seminar rooms and people playing as passed by till ran out of steam.
Bolding mine, because it shows the core of the problem. Pictures of gamers may not look interesting enough, so people take pics of everything else. The people who look at those pics
notice everything else except for the gaming, so when more people are attracted to the cons by the pics - they are being attracted to
everything else. A convention that originated around gaming now has gaming as second place (if not third or fourth) to the eye candy. This snowballs until the con doesn't focus on gaming as much as it is diluted by
everything else.
Quote from: jeff37923;1098987So if they were going to claim that it was Shadowrun, then where are the fantasy races that are on almost every Shadowrun cover?
Didn't you see the murder gnomes hiding in the lower left corner? I thought you had good vision!
I am talking INITIAL + VISUAL + IMPACT of the CP art, not that CP is trying to duplicate SR. Just grab eyeballs of their fans.
AKA, if I want to sell a game to D&D fans, putting a Dungeon / Dragon / Elf with Bow / Dwarf with Axe / Sorceress Chick on the cover of my product causes an Initial Visual Impact on those fans.
Quote from: jeff37923;1098987So when Elmore did the cover art for Star Frontiers and the black & white interior art for Traveller 4, those were obvious attempts to tap into the Forgotten Realms branding?
Yes it was! Because glossy color covers and b/w interiors are the exact same thing!!!
:p
Quote from: jeff37923;1099014This snowballs until the con doesn't focus on gaming as much as it is diluted by everything else.
I'm surprised the video game companies haven't descended upon GenCon like how Hollywood devoured ComicCon.
Whenever people tell me they're going to ComicCon, I ask them what comic books they're getting there and I love the confused looks on their faces.
Oooh, a cosplay con! :p I keed, I keeed! :D
But honestly though, I dig gameplay photos too. And not just of wargame minis either. I like snaps of CCG game states where I can piece out what's going on. I like pics of RPG sprawls of books, notes, tables, doodles, props, etc. I sometimes like boardgame shots, but often it doesn't interest me unless the game state is remarkable. :)
But costumes and strangers are nice too. :D
Quote from: jeff37923;1099014The guy who did the cover art for Cyberpunk 2020 was Doug Anderson....
Bolding mine, because it shows the core of the problem. Pictures of gamers may not look interesting enough, so people take pics of everything else.
1: Fucks sake now Koltar has ME doing it! Thanks for pointing that out. doh. I meant 1st ed Shadowrun.
2: If you look around you'll find those too. Probably lots over at BGG. But when I was doing gaming cons alot I had limited camera space and tended to snap stuff that looked interesting.
The other reason I have so few gameplay photos is... I hate interrupting people with "Hey? Can I photo that?" Though I have now and then if I had the camera ready and it looked like a pause. I actually never got a chance to photo a single session of Dragon Storm. Or video any. To me it feels a little tacky. Others are perfectly fine. But that was back in the bygone days of flash bulbs.
Now-a-days I'd more likely try and get gameplay photos with the phone as its less intrusive, and blinding. ahem.
Quote from: jeff37923;1099014The guy who did the cover art for Cyberpunk 2020 was Doug Anderson....
Bolding mine, because it shows the core of the problem. Pictures of gamers may not look interesting enough, so people take pics of everything else.
1: Fucks sake now Koltar has ME doing it! Thanks for pointing that out. doh. I meant 1st ed Shadowrun.
2: If you look around you'll find those too. Probably lots over at BGG. But when I was doing gaming cons alot I had limited camera space and tended to snap stuff that looked interesting.
The other reason I have so few gameplay photos is... I hate interrupting people with "Hey? Can I photo that?" Though I have now and then if I had the camera ready and it looked like a pause. I actually never got a chance to photo a single session of Dragon Storm. Or video any. To me it feels a little tacky. Others are perfectly fine. But that was back in the bygone days of flash bulbs.
Now-a-days I'd more likely try and get gameplay photos with the phone as its less intrusive, and blinding. ahem.
It's good to see All's Quiet On the Martian Front getting some love anyhow. The Alien Dungeon kickstarter debacle just about killed the game, though, oddly enough it let me clear out most of my stock. I think the game itself had one major issue. The starter set armies don't give the humans much of a chance. You really need the weird desperate stuff, anti tripod guns and forlorn hope teams to stand a chance.
Thanks for the cool photos once again Koltar.
....More Pictures now (I had to work yesterday).....
Martian Front miniatures...
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The Lost World Miniatures diorama...
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Miniatures of Lost World Exodus
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Lost World Exodus sign (So I would not have take notes that day)...
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The DUST USA booth area...
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Ooh, an inflatable plane! I want! :D
Quote from: Opaopajr;1099218Ooh, an inflatable plane! I want! :D
Dropping inflatable bombs... :eek:
....More Pictures, from Saturday....
Nice couple in uniforms
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Para Bellum miniatures display
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PARA BELLUM miniatures game
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Castle Wall attack in the Para Bellum display
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Attack on Gate, Para Bellum miniatures
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...More Later Today...
....more pictures, from Saturday, August 3rd...
The Para Bellum booth and table
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Black Panther, Wakanda Forever game booth
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The Wakanda Forever phrase showing, I was trying to get a better picture, the crowd didn't help
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Someone asked if they could take my picture. That is what I wore on Saturday. To me that is my 'Steampunk light' look
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That is me with Lou Zocchi. Mr Zocchi founded Gamescience Dice back in the 1970s. He helped to popularize gaming back in the 1970s when things were starting out.
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...more later, hopefully...
OMG, Captain & Tennille, too?! :D Love, love will keep us together! Yay! :p
Did not know Mr. Zocchi was da man behind da polyhedrals we all know and love. Nice to see him alive and hustlin'! Keep the picks coming!
Quote from: Opaopajr;1099326Did not know Mr. Zocchi was da man behind da polyhedrals we all know and love. Nice to see him alive and hustlin'!
If you ever meet him in person I dare you to ask him about that photo chart he has of Twenty sided dice stacked up against each other. You likely will hear him go into a shpiel about how Game Science dice are better than all of the other dice and how he makes them. His style is a mix of P.T Barnum. W.C. Fields, and Professor Harold Hill as played by Robert Preston.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Koltar;1099334His style is a mix of P.T Barnum. W.C. Fields, and Professor Harold Hill as played by Robert Preston.
- Ed C.
That sounds frickin' awesome! :eek:
Thanks for the posting the pics.
That's a stellar plug for a performance if I ever heard one! :D If he goes Glengarry Glen Ross would it be in bad taste to throw him a bouquet of flowers? :p
....Mores pictures, from mid day Saturday August 3rd...
Terrain I liked, its a new game
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Okay, so I seem to have really liked that Terrain table setup
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The Indie Press Revolution Booth
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A Marvel Universe or Wakanda Trio, they were nearby when I was eating a late lunch in the convention center
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Same trio, Storm and Black Panther
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...More in the couple of hours
- Ed C.
...more pictures, from late afternoon Saturday August 3rd...
Crew members of the Nostromo
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The Sold Out sign just outside the convention center on Saturday. My Bike cab driver paused just long enough for me to get that picture
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Gaming Room on the second Floor of the Conrad
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Oh Look! People are gaming!, at tables...with games they probably bought that day
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That was my Dinner Saturday night. The Conrad Hotel had a Free dinner buffet in the gaming room
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...more later....
Thanks for all these great Cyberpunk 2020 photos. Who knew it was so popular and varied! :D
Man good photos dude, thanks for sharing these :)
Quote from: Koltar;1099462Gaming Room on the second Floor of the Conrad
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Oh Look! People are gaming!, at tables...with games they probably bought that day
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Well, two pics out 50 is good for a token representation......
Quote from: jeff37923;1099555Well, two pics out 50 is good for a token representation......
True, but they're the most boring pics.
Koltar, what did you play at GenCon? Any GURPS?
What did you pick up for yourself?
What do you feel were the "success stories" among the new products?
Damn, y'all are some salty bitches! :D Let me get the tequila and limes!
Quote from: Opaopajr;1099604Let me get the tequila and limes!
Hell yeah!
BTW, yesterday's Google doodle was the inventor of nachos!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Anaya
Quote from: jeff37923;1099555Well, two pics out 50 is good for a token representation......
Multiply those two by 50. Im sure you would complain that they all look too similar and boring.
For freaks sake you are just looking for a fight with him and/or to tear down the convention aren't you?
Quote from: Omega;1099754Multiply those two by 50. Im sure you would complain that they all look too similar and boring.
For freaks sake you are just looking for a fight with him and/or to tear down the convention aren't you?
Yeah, I'm pretty salty about a business that incorporated to provide "The best four days in gaming" and instead dabbles in local politics, supports the perpetrator when a guest is attacked, and by the visual proof of that comes from a veteran FLGS worker who can't tell the difference between two games advertisement banner even when the name is printed on the banner that the con is a place for cosplayers more than TTRPG players.
Yet you are right. I should shut the fuck up about it.
....a few more pictures, from Sunday August 4th....
That is me and Tim the Bike cab guy who practically became my driver back and forth to the convention center
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If you look in the background you can see the Gen Con store tent and some of the food trucks...
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Here I am posing with my friend Liz. She and her husband manufacture and sell a miniatures game of tall sailing ships combat.
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This person did a very GOOD costume version of Ygritte from 'Game of Thrones'...
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She and realized that I was wearing a T-shirt that said "I Climbed The Wall" in Westeros - so we had to get a picture together,,,
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...might have one or two more leftover...
- Ed C.
Quote from: jeff37923;1098963If only someone who worked at a game store could get that same accuracy with a new game being premiered! At GenCon! You know, the "Best Four Days In Gaming". It is no wonder that the FLGS is going the way of the dinosaur.
EDIT: I'm going off right now because we just had a thread here asking if GenCon was relevant (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40958-Is-GenCon-Relevant) and from the photos you are showing us (plus the commentary), it isn't. At least not for gaming anymore.
Well, except for WotC who want all the moneys when they do a con, all the RPG publishers who can afford it, go.
Sure, RPGers have a huge crossover with all other forms of Geek-Chic and so tons of other people are there too.
There's one truism about RPG cons(or any gaming con): The bigger they become, the less they become about gaming, and the more they become about the "Geek Chic Lifestyle". Everything is branded, everyone is flying their particular Identity Flag, etc.
All that having been said, I'm sure a lot of people got in a lot of great gaming. Not only in the event spaces, but in all the hotels, restaurants, bars and everyplace else throughout the city.
A big con is like any big city really. Go where all the money shines, it's a soulless corporate hellhole. Go off the beaten track, it's amazing, because there's people from all over the world to talk to.
Quote from: CRKrueger;1101792.There's one truism about RPG cons(or any gaming con): The bigger they become, the less they become about gaming, and the more they become about the "Geek Chic Lifestyle".
THIS is very true.
It's why some cons refuse to grow. They want to maintain a certain feel and focus and growing would dilute that.
Cons who do grow to the 5k+ range certainly cross-over into "Lifestyle" cons, and the con organizers focus on maximizing attendance which translates to dilution and segmentation.
Some great pictures here, Koltar. Sorry for my delayed response.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1103415Some great pictures here, Koltar. Sorry for my delayed response.
Thank you...
Figured you were busy with stuff.
- Ed C.