Quote from: chirine ba kal;1029304I'm genuinely startled by her, this morning; she's normally a pretty quiet and placid person, but the photos really set her off. :eek:

Considering John Bobek, Dave Wesley, Ross Maker, Dave Megarry, and a number of other old time wargamers played wargames at GaryCon using tables covered with brown paper and terrain drawn on with colored markers or colored masking tape, maybe she DOESN'T want to go to GaryCon.

The terrain Victor used looked very much like what Phil put on his table, which is the whole idea.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1029262Thank you Game Daddy!!

How's the noise level while gaming at GaryCon?

In California, I am a spoiled brat. Most of our cons have 1-2 games per room.

Noise level is variable.  For RPGs I ask for a private room, and because I'm me, I get one.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1029223I play minis, RPGs and board games.

Here's what I notice.

Minis players have their shit together. They own their army, they bring their army and they set up their army. The objective is simple - win by killing the other guy's dudes. They have to play attention on other players' turns or they lose.

RPGers are often fucknuts. Many don't even own dice or the corebook. Many expect the GM to bring the fun and act as consumers instead of participants. For many, other peoples' turns are when they space out on the phones.

Boardgamers just show up. Half have a gazillion games. The other half just plays. They open the box, read the short amount of rules and just play the damn game. Most pay attention during every turn, but some space out.

If you have a good group of RPGers, be very thankful.

I can whip almost any RPG convention table into shape (a skill honed through much failure), but it requires effort I never need to spend at minis or board games.

I'm starting to think you may be right.  Even if miniatures wargamers don't know the game, they seem to be there to play the game, and grasp instinctively that it's a team effort.

Your "RPGers are often fucknuts" is dead on.  A lot of them are there to entertain themselves, and fuck the other people at the table.

Also, I keep hearing "I got stuck in the back rank and it was boring."  Well, dickweevil, nobody prevented you from saying "Hey, can we swap around so I'm not in back for a while?"  Especially at conventions, a LOT of RPGers really seem to be looking to get spoon-fed.

Really, the person with the most power over your fun is you.  If you are so fucking lazy or so emotionally fragile that you can't speak up for yourself, that is NOT my problem.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029374Considering John Bobek, Dave Wesley, Ross Maker, Dave Megarry, and a number of other old time wargamers played wargames at GaryCon using tables covered with brown paper and terrain drawn on with colored markers or colored masking tape, maybe she DOESN'T want to go to GaryCon.

The terrain Victor used looked very much like what Phil put on his table, which is the whole idea.

I know, I know. She wants to go down there and kick some scenic butt, I think. She's still cranked over the fiascos over the past few years with people promising the sun / moon / stars for trips down there and then not being able to organize their way out of a wet paper bag. Heck, I still use brown paper and colored masking tape - cheap, at Axe-man Surplus - so I don't mind. I think she just wants to show off - she's been stripping and slapping primer on her old Ral Partha 'Elfquest' and old FASA and Citadel 'Dr. Who' figures, in addition to funding the various miniatures needed for the big Braunsteins. My British card buildings have been getting eyed greedily, too.

(I would be afraid; very, very afraid. Once she gets going like this, she just does not give up. It's kinda scary, to see her going like this.)

The stuff he had was actually a lot more then Phil used to have, actually. We had The Tree on The Hill, and that was that. Heck, Phil's ashtray / salted nut can used to get pressed into service as scenery, most of the time. I have no idea why, but he just never got into scenery and terrain like he was into the miniatures themselves.

Maybe we can get him to start smoking Swisher Sweets, to get that Authentic Tekumel Atmosphere...

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029375Noise level is variable.  For RPGs I ask for a private room, and because I'm me, I get one.

You handsome stud, you. I swoon at the very thought of you rolling dice.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029376I'm starting to think you may be right.  Even if miniatures wargamers don't know the game, they seem to be there to play the game, and grasp instinctively that it's a team effort.

Your "RPGers are often fucknuts" is dead on.  A lot of them are there to entertain themselves, and fuck the other people at the table.

Also, I keep hearing "I got stuck in the back rank and it was boring."  Well, dickweevil, nobody prevented you from saying "Hey, can we swap around so I'm not in back for a while?"  Especially at conventions, a LOT of RPGers really seem to be looking to get spoon-fed.

Really, the person with the most power over your fun is you.  If you are so fucking lazy or so emotionally fragile that you can't speak up for yourself, that is NOT my problem.

Agreed; seen this same thing all too many times over the years in RPGs at conventions. Which is why that lot at Gary Con VII really took me by surprise; they swapped ranks like a SWAT team on steroids, flowing through the place like a well-oiled machine. Never had seen anything like it at a convention game, myself.

It's your game; make your fun. All I'm here to do is facilitate.

Quote from: chirine ba kal;1029383You handsome stud, you. I swoon at the very thought of you rolling dice.

* flex *

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029376I'm starting to think you may be right.

That's because I'm a font of ultimate wisdom!!

:eek:

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029376Especially at conventions, a LOT of RPGers really seem to be looking to get spoon-fed.

I blame WotC/Paizo Organized Play format for much of this.

It's 4 hours of railroad: encounter + encounter + encounter = XP and loot, with nary a meaningful choice or challenge.

But I also believe there are a LOT of GMs who spoon-feed at home just to have a gaming group.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029376Really, the person with the most power over your fun is you.  If you are so fucking lazy or so emotionally fragile that you can't speak up for yourself, that is NOT my problem.

What kind of sick monster advocates personal responsibility in 2018???

How dare you sir! How dare you!

GRAAAAH!  * stomps on balsawood miniature Tokyo *

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I'm making it my goal to attend GaryCon next year. Do we have the dates and location yet for GaryCon next year?

Quote from: jeff37923;1029525I'm making it my goal to attend GaryCon next year. Do we have the dates and location yet for GaryCon next year?

Yes.

http://garycon.com/

More Photos from the show...

https://tamerthya.blog/2018/03/17/garycon-x-games-being-played/

Quote from: jeff37923;1029525I'm making it my goal to attend GaryCon next year. Do we have the dates and location yet for GaryCon next year?

Apparently finding rooms is a pain.  After the dates for 2019 had been announced, rooms were already going quickly.  My brother and friend have attended the last two years and have convinced the rest of the old gaming group to make the pilgrimage.  So it appears next year will be my first as well.

Quote from: Gunslinger;1029828Apparently finding rooms is a pain.  After the dates for 2019 had been announced, rooms were already going quickly.  My brother and friend have attended the last two years and have convinced the rest of the old gaming group to make the pilgrimage.  So it appears next year will be my first as well.

The Grand Geneva Resort & Spa which is the host site, is already fully booked for 2019. I think they can accommodate about 1,500 there comfortably. Attendance this year was over 2,300. Some of the surrounding hotels were also booked, the first & second on the recommended list, Comfort Suites East, as well as the Harbor Shores on Lake Geneva, which is where the Lake Geneva Gaming Conventions and the first couple of GaryCons were hosted. I had no trouble at all finding a really good hotel room this year in Elkhorn at the Hilton Suites for a c-note a night, about a ten minute drive from the game show. Racine, Kenosha, Janes, & Beloit all less than or about twenty minutes away have hotel rooms to spare.

I really need to check the Timber Ridge Lodge, located right next to the Grand Geneva, as I don't think they sold out of rooms, and they are walking distance (I mean crawling distance, for the hardcore pub/tavern crawlers), one just has to not get lost in the Dan Patch Stables shrubbery maze there on your way back to your room there...

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029054I just got back from GaryCon X, 2018.

The biggest surprise for me, by far, was realizing that I like miniatures wargaming MUCH better than RPGs.

They scratch very different itches for me (as do Eurogames, AmeriTrash, LARPs, video games, counter wargames).

But there really is something awesome when a good mini wargame comes together. 3D, art, history, terrain, strategy, tactics, and competition.