Quote from: DavetheLost;987363An RPG that actually made money for a small, independant creator would also be nice to see.

Well, Raggi made it work with LotFP (even as a boxed set)... but that's got D&D going for it, plus dumping a load of cash into art.

I'd get behind a Kickstarter for a TFT clone if it seemed to have its priorities straight.

Quote from: Larsdangly;987132We live in a world replete with editions and clones of a vast array of old games, which is cool, but The Fantasy Trip got mostly left by the wayside for IP reasons. You could argue that the 4 editions of GURPS are the legacy of TFT, but GURPS is a much bigger, fussier game so I tend to think of it as its own thing. I'd love to see (or even better, make!) a second edition of TFT that was done as a polished boxed set with the rules pretty similar to the original, just organized properly and perhaps edited and tweaked for content to tidy up a few things all the old grognards know could have been improved. It would be amazing.

There are a couple of TFT clones. Heroes and Other Worlds is one, I think the other is called Legends? Not sure about the second one.

Quote from: Larsdangly;987132We live in a world replete with editions and clones of a vast array of old games, which is cool, but The Fantasy Trip got mostly left by the wayside for IP reasons. You could argue that the 4 editions of GURPS are the legacy of TFT, but GURPS is a much bigger, fussier game so I tend to think of it as its own thing. I'd love to see (or even better, make!) a second edition of TFT that was done as a polished boxed set with the rules pretty similar to the original, just organized properly and perhaps edited and tweaked for content to tidy up a few things all the old grognards know could have been improved. It would be amazing.

Tangent warning

TFT is my one real RPG regret. There are other older games that I have run across that I missed out on at the time, but that was because I didn't know about them.

I knew about TFT but didn't take the time to really look at it. There were even kids at my Jr. High playing it 80-82 ish, so it would have been fairly easy to try out. It looked kind of cheap with the little micro games books, and it just used d6 which added to the "not a real RPG" image. My gaming friends didn't include any of those playing TFT which didn't help. We were playing D&D, Runequest and Traveller at the time. By 83-88 we were trying all kinds of new games and in '85 were waiting with baited breath for GURPS, and eagerly gobbled up copies of Man to Man when it came out.

I don't know that today I'd really like TFT as is was in 81 (or whenever), but I would love a 128 page complete fantasy game borrowing heavily from GURPS / HERO. I love GURPS and HERO, but they have been afflicted with rules bloat. Just please for all that is holy fix the magic is tied to strength thing in GURPS (which I understand carried over from TFT), that has never set right with me.

The lite versions of both games feel incomplete to me as they are essentially abridged versions of the larger game aimed mainly as introductions to the larger games. While they can certainly be used as a stand alone game, they feel incomplete because they were not written from the ground up as a stand alone game.

There is some mysterious principle at play with TFT. You were right to think it was somehow not a real rpg when it first came out: it was intended to be a board game that would draw on the audience for fantasy rpg's, but follow the business model and design principles of an inexpensive board game (Metagaming's specialty). And somehow by not trying to make an rpg, they ended up distilling the idea of an rpg down to its most essential enjoyable tactical elements. And it turned out to be so fun and so popular that they expanded it (a bit) and slapped the things you need to play a campaign on top of it, and that is the version of TFT most people know. GURPS really should be its honorable descendant, but for some reason no matter how much of GURPS you strip away, it still feels like a highly engineered game that lacks something of the spontaneity and fun of TFT. This really is a property that would make a wonderful 'resurected' edition.

Quote from: DavetheLost;987363An RPG that actually made money for a small, independant creator would also be nice to see.

Tons of RPGs make money for their creators. Every RPG I made has made a considerable amount of money for me, enough that RPG-writing is a significant percentage of my annual income.

Quote from: Schwartzwald;987467I'd like to see ringworld redone. I think BRP is a great system and the KS setting was good even if I hate Niven personally.

It could use a vehicle/device construction system.

What system would you want to run the setting? BRP or something different?

Not to threadjack, but why do you hate Niven?

It would be nice to have reissues of Ghost Busters, Toon and The Price of Freedom.

Quote from: Voros;990953It would be nice to have reissues of Ghost Busters, Toon and The Price of Freedom.

Maybe they can do a Costikyan bundle.

Quote from: Tetsubo;988976What system would you want to run the setting? BRP or something different?

Not to threadjack, but why do you hate Niven?

His involvement with the sigma society and his ''solution'' to healthcare. Plus his ''inferno'' novels which were nothing but Alex Jones style attacks on the left. Oh,  add in that he was born into a very rich family and clearly thinks people on welfare are basically subhuman. Plus arrogance.  I hate arrogant people.



As to a system to do Known Space in,  I mean gurps would be OK.  Hero,  EABA,  anything with a vehicle\device design system.

Quote from: Voros;990953It would be nice to have reissues of Ghost Busters, Toon and The Price of Freedom.

My original copy of Ghostbusters is a treasure of mine, but I had to restore parts of it. Fortunately, I could with the help of Ghostbusters Ressurected, which I could get dice and cards made, as well as providing all the original rules online (which can be printed). The link is here: https://nerdyshow.com/ghostbusters/

I think licensing issues may make it difficult to see a return of the WEG Ghostbusters game, but this does keep the game alive for those who want it in the same way that the old TSR Marvel Super Heroes is completely available online too.

Toon would certainly be something I would pick up again if they splashed out on making a full colour version of it, and tidied up a few rule tweaks here and there. Not sure if SJGames would take the risk on it though, which is a shame.

The Price of Freedom was considered a controversial RPG in the UK when it was released (check out letters in White Dwarf magazine at the time), and I actually think there are better military based alternative history games out there now anyway.

Thanks for the GB link and I happily found Toon used for a reasonable price. I find The Price of Freedom amusing but there are those who insist on taking it seriously on this very board so...I do value its typically simple and elegant Costikyan combat system.

Quote from: Dumarest;990966Maybe they can do a Costikyan bundle.

Could show up on pdf as a Bundle of Holding on day but as Trippyhippy says rights could get in the way.

Quote from: Voros;991053Could show up on pdf as a Bundle of Holding on day but as Trippyhippy says rights could get in the way.

I'm sure they would.

Also, The Price of Freedom is satirical, how on earth was it controversial? It's hilarious.

Quote from: Schwartzwald;990977His involvement with the sigma society and his ''solution'' to healthcare. Plus his ''inferno'' novels which were nothing but Alex Jones style attacks on the left. Oh,  add in that he was born into a very rich family and clearly thinks people on welfare are basically subhuman

Ummmm. Sigma Society? There are four separate and distinct Sigma Societies that I know of, two of which ...would not admit him ...which one of the other two are you referring to? I'm presuming here that you mean the Epsilon Sigma society founded originally by Ben Campbell, and whom just happen to have included Robert Heinlein, Larry Niven, and Jerry Pournelle amongst others, the same Epsilon Sigma whom recently (2007) stepped up and volunteered to advise the Department of Homeland Security on how to properly protect ourselves from the statistically non-existent threat of international terrorism. You mean that Sigma Society?

Reference:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/9ak7y5/the-secret-authoritarian-history-of-science-fiction

Also, ...what solution to Healthcare? Because as far as I know, Larry Niven hasn't proposed a viable solution to solve the American Healthcare Crisis.

Quote from: Dumarest;991061Also, The Price of Freedom is satirical, how on earth was it controversial? It's hilarious.

From the Wikipedia page:

QuoteTwo French articles criticized the way the Soviets are depicted, and espcecially the fact that only American resistants have Hero Points, and only Soviets and collaborationists endure panic. In an interview to Juhana Pettersson (a Finnish novelist, TV producer, journalist and game designer), Greg Costikyan admitted:

My political views are not those of The Price of Freedom; at the time, I considered myself a 'left libertarian'.

[…] Some of my more liberal friends were intrigued by the idea, but repulsed by the heavy-handed nature of its political message […] But in general, you know, it was a flop. We had quite a lot of interest from the distributors pre-publication, but in the event, it did not sell particularly well. Keep in mind that this was the Gorbachev era, US-Soviet relations were improving, and the scenario was viewed as pretty implausible. […] [I'm] A tad embarrassed by the game.

-- Greg Costikyan to Juhana Pettersson, Non-Digital: Better Dead Than Red