Are you drunk right now, J.? Honest question.

Quote from: Benoist;372735I'm now absolutely convinced you want to get offended. You want to find something objectionable with the OSR, for whatever twisted reason you came up with ages ago when we first discussed vintage games here on these boards. Maybe because someone, anyone, disagreed with you as you were pissing all over someone else's opinion. You pounce, you pounce, and then finally, when someone tells you to fuck off, and you're not having your way, you're going all crazy on people.

Get a grip on yourself, man. This is fucking ridiculous.

Stop being hypocritical assholes, I'll stop calling you hypocritical assholes.

That's the way this site works.  Don't fucking like it?  Leave.  

You may as well ask Roger Ebert to stop being mean to bad films.  Never going to happen, so get the fuck over it, and stop being idiots.

Quote from: Benoist;372737Are you drunk right now, J.? Honest question.

I haven't been able to drink in like 2 years.  Not that it's the slightest bit your fucking business.

Quote from: J Arcane;372738Stop being hypocritical assholes, I'll stop calling you hypocritical assholes.

That's the way this site works.  Don't fucking like it?  Leave.  

You may as well ask Roger Ebert to stop being mean to bad films.  Never going to happen, so get the fuck over it, and stop being idiots.

You don't like people not having the same opinions than yourself? Liking the iPad? Disliking Cellphones? Happening to have an actual opinion on the game you don't even fucking know?

Don't like it? You can leave.

Go fuck yourself.

Quote from: J Arcane;372729He doesn't owe anything to anyone, let alone to some ideological purity or party line about what a handful of fucking bloggers and forumites claim the 70s were "really" about.

You do understand that your poutrage is directed at exactly zero responses to your original post, right?

Neither Benoist nor I, who appear to be the mains targets of your bile, never said anything about him doing it wrong. I said I couldn't make head nor tails of what he was trying to describe, and both of us asked who this guy was and why we should care. The latter you've made abundantly clear, so again, woo-hoo, go Penny Arcade, go OSR, high fives and bong hits all around.

But who here as said anything - ANYTHING AT ALL - about what OD&D is really about? Who said anything - ANYTHING AT ALL - about "ideological purity or party line?"

If I was looking to criticize his old schoolness, I would've bored in on his throwing in a reference to THAC0 which had nothing to do with anything else he talked about. But I didn't, because I don't care. In fact, I made no judgements about his choice of games or his approach to playing them - which I think was pretty clever, actually - only his ability to convey a thought in English. The sentence I quoted sounds like it came from my speech-impaired three-year-old son.

You have built an enormous strawman out of wisps of dried grasss, doused it with gasoline, and tossed a road flare on it, which I think says more about you than it does about anything written in this thread.

J, I tend to agree with you far more often than not on these boards, but on this one, I have to say, with all the love and respect in my heart, go fuck yourself with a claw hammer, you fucking prima donna.

Quote from: The Shaman;372741But who here as said anything - ANYTHING AT ALL - about what OD&D is really about? Who said anything - ANYTHING AT ALL - about "ideological purity or party line?"

Hey now, I did take Gabe's methodology to task when he claimed that he was going to have his game group experience 1974 0D&D and instead created some kitbashed ruleset for them that wasn't.

Quote from: jeff37923;372743Hey now, I did take Gabe's methodology to task when he claimed that he was going to have his game group experience 1974 0D&D and instead created some kitbashed ruleset for them that wasn't.

And I actually posted the reverse... in answer to J (!):

Quote from: Benoist;372648

Quote from: J Arcane;372644Isn't kitbashing your own rules to suit your group exactly what the OSR is supposedly all about?

That's where we should just dump the term "OSR". There are just guys interested in various sorts of old school games producing stuff for them, talking about them on blogs, etc.

If there is an "aim" to the "OSR" nebula of gamers, it's to enjoy vintage games, to keep playing them, to produce stuff for them, and to introduce those who do not know them, but want to, to their goodness. That's it.

OD&D, now, in particular, is IMO all about what you're talking about. Grabbing the game, owning it, making it your own. In that sense, Gabe does whatever the fuck he wants with it. We're talking about a guy playing a game, not producing some sort of supplement for it (in which case it would rise or fall based on its own merits and popularity). If he wants to play Ping Pong with "Men & Magic" for a paddle, who am I to stop him?

I mean. What the fuck is J smoking, exactly?

DM 101 Gabe finally gets it.

Tycho gives some Old School advice

Quote from: J Arcane;372475So once again, it's more about the ideological purity than about the actual games or people playing them in whatever way they have the most fun.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

I take back every bad thing I've ever said or scribbled on the wall of a public restroom about you.

Quote from: Benoist;372744And I actually posted the reverse... in answer to J (!):


I mean. What the fuck is J smoking, exactly?

So you're just now realizing you're not the only person in this thread?

Has the reading comprehension level on this site really fallen so far as it seems to have recently?

Quote from: J Arcane;372748So you're just now realizing you're not the only person in this thread?

Has the reading comprehension level on this site really fallen so far as it seems to have recently?

It's not my fault if you can't write plain fucking English to save your life, God dammit!

Quote from: J Arcane;372729Yet again, you people, and by people I mean every one of you in this fucking thread who's knocked his game, James M. and the rest of the bloggers who're going after it, the smartass comments from the people in the RPG Haven thread I was reading earlier, all of you, have fucking proved that the "OSR" is once again all about some invented vision of ideological purity, and has fucking nothing to do with gaming or enjoying games.

I mean, seriously: could you paint with broader brush than this, here? And you're "surprised" people "misunderstand" afterwards?

I'm not the one who's misunderstanding, here. I'm not the one who takes humor for insults, and just can't cope with people who aren't jumping up and down at the idea that some guy making a comic on the web actually wrote something about OD&D on his blog.

It's cool that a couple million or more people will get to know S&W because of it. Really is. But that's not what the clusterfuck is about, here: it's about you getting all crazy because -SHOCK- people actually don't exactly react how you expected them to, and actually happen to have differing opinions than yours. OH MY GOD. What. a. Shocker!

I mean. Seriously?

Quote from: jeff37923;372743Hey now, I did take Gabe's methodology to task when he claimed that he was going to have his game group experience 1974 0D&D and instead created some kitbashed ruleset for them that wasn't.

*goes back and rereads thread*

Hmmm. So you did.

In which case, j, I agree kitbashing is very much in the spirit of the original rules and old-school play, and I can't tell what kind of experience he provided for his players from his half-arsed description.

So you're wrong, too. Have a claw hammer. With love.

Tycho agrees with Pundit on 4e nomenclature A classic.

The definition of "Anti-Big Purple".

Quote from: CRKrueger;372752Tycho agrees with Pundit on 4e nomenclature A classic.

That is one my favorite strips from PA.

Quote from: CRKrueger;372752Tycho agrees with Pundit on 4e nomenclature A classic.

Oh. I read that one! It was hilarious.