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What do you like about Dungeons and Dragons (and D20 generaly)...?

Started by Fritzs, May 08, 2008, 04:14:05 AM

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Fritzs

#45
May 09, 2008, 08:46:38 AM
ConanMK: Very few games have unlimited character choices... maybe some Fudge variants...
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#46
May 09, 2008, 09:02:45 AM
Quote from: FritzsConanMK: Very few games have unlimited character choices... maybe some Fudge variants...

Excluded middle... 5 yard penalty.
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#47
May 09, 2008, 09:05:36 AM
Quote from: FritzsVery few games have unlimited character choices...

...But many do offer more than one. :)

Hey, wasn't this about d20 and D&D, like, originally?  What happened?

Another thing I like about D&D:  the shared history.  Many of us went through Keep on the Borderlands, we learned what the hell a Beholder is (and isn't), we learned that "Bree-Yark" is Goblin language for "We Surrender!" (or is it?), we've watched the slow, sad decline of the once-proud goblin race, we read many of the same articles in Dragon, we've played in the same settings, we've learned to hate emo chaotic good dual scimitar-wielding drow knock-offs, and we've bitched and argued about alignment as long as there's been alignment.

There is also the Eye, Hand, and Head of Vecna.
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#48
May 09, 2008, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: Zachary The FirstHey, wasn't this about d20 and D&D, like, originally?  What happened?

No. That was just a bait. ;)

Anyway, one more thing I like about D&D is its "archetypal heroic path" approach. I mean, the way it follows the classical pattern - at the beginning the hero (player's character) is pretty lame and doesn't much now about what to do but he gradually getting better and you can really feel this breath of ancient epics in it. (Well, at least till 4e, I am not so sure about this one there.)

Now I don't think this is specific to DnD, dozen of other games has this effect as well, just sounds like worth mentioning.
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ConanMK

#49
May 09, 2008, 09:21:17 AM
Quote from: Zachary The First...But many do offer more than one. :)

Hey, wasn't this about d20 and D&D, like, originally?  What happened?


I was actually trying to get back to D&D/d20 in talking about limits on character choice.

Another reason I like D&D/D20 is that I have TONS of character choices, not just one or a narrow range. We have warriors and samurai of all sorts plus ninjas, swashbucklers, sorcerers, witches, shamans and so much more.

Fritzs

#50
May 09, 2008, 10:00:44 AM
ConanMK: Classes are generaly OK, but level adjustment sucks for magic users... and multiclassing don't do any better...
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ConanMK

#51
May 09, 2008, 10:21:05 AM
Quote from: FritzsConanMK: Classes are generaly OK, but level adjustment sucks for magic users... and multiclassing don't do any better...
Well yes, those are some of the flaws that 4e aims to fix. They never really bothered me much in 3rd edition really.

Kaz

#52
May 09, 2008, 01:49:15 PM
I just read the rules page for Nicotine Girls and I can't imagine any scenario at all where such a game would be fun.

I am not the biggest D&D fan on the planet, but I can imagine thousands of scenarios where I would have plenty of fun. That's what I like about D&D.
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#53
May 09, 2008, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: jeff37923How can there be charcters worthy of "song and legend" if there are no Bards in the 4E PHB to perform the songs and recite the legends?
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#54
May 09, 2008, 02:44:50 PM
I like the intent of the original design.  Broad archetypical characters, fast character creation at any level, streamlined miniatures-battle style combat with its implicit whole figure casualty removal for one hit dice monsters.  Monster descriptions that include built in force rosters.

I also like the construction of the planar cosmology and the bizzare and open variety of monsters that have been wedged into it.  Just about every rpg since D&D has tried to be more focussed and do less in the name of sanity.  But the insanity of D&D is one of its charms in my mind.

No, I don't think there's been a decent edition since first, why?
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#55
May 09, 2008, 04:11:52 PM
I like that D&D(D20) is still surprisingly familiar and answers quite a few criticisms of previous editions of D&D.  I like that it attempts to port that familiarity to other genres and settings.  I don't have to learn many new rules because I've been playing a semblance of it for 25 years.  

It's probably the game that gets the most play mileage on the shelf even though it's the game I look at the least.
 
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