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Title: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: RPGPundit on May 09, 2024, 07:01:56 PM
WotC (and Wizkids) are full of people for whom the word "truth" means something totally different from what that word means to normal people.
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Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Omega on May 11, 2024, 12:50:15 AM
WotC and the truth have not met in 24+ years.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: yosemitemike on May 11, 2024, 05:43:49 AM
I'll believe that WotC is going to release older editions under creative commons when I see them actually do it.  Until then, I am skeptical.  They have said that the new version will be released under a creative commons license but they haven't actually done it. 

The SJW crowd can't seem to decide if sex work is empowering and sex workers must be respected or whether it's exploitation and bad.  Their outrage or lack of it seems highly instrumental. 
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: RPGPundit on May 11, 2024, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on May 11, 2024, 05:43:49 AMI'll believe that WotC is going to release older editions under creative commons when I see them actually do it.  Until then, I am skeptical.  They have said that the new version will be released under a creative commons license but they haven't actually done it. 
 

That's exactly what I said in the video. Releasing the older editions to creative commons is a minefield for them.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Omega on May 12, 2024, 05:22:46 AM
Whatever they do. It will be stupid. With wotc failure is the only option.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: RPGPundit on May 13, 2024, 07:23:00 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 12, 2024, 05:22:46 AMWhatever they do. It will be stupid. With wotc failure is the only option.

Sure seems like it, yes.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Votan on May 13, 2024, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 09, 2024, 07:01:56 PMWotC (and Wizkids) are full of people for whom the word "truth" means something totally different from what that word means to normal people.
#dnd    #ttrpg    #osr 





I think the red box fighter thing was just trolling for attention. Tenkar's video on it led me to notice (after decades!) that it is the same fighter on the cover of all of the BECMI editions. There is also an action figure.

So clever sculpting but if they wanted to highlight cool female characters, the Red Box has Aleena, who is both memorable and taught players important lessons about the way that the game was meant to be played. Sure, the character has a typical female presentation, but that isn't necessarily a bug in a game about heroic fantasies. Archetypes are good, right? Right? Or am I too old fashioned?
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: honeydipperdavid on May 14, 2024, 01:37:59 AM
Quote from: Votan on May 13, 2024, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 09, 2024, 07:01:56 PMWotC (and Wizkids) are full of people for whom the word "truth" means something totally different from what that word means to normal people.
#dnd    #ttrpg    #osr 


I think the red box fighter thing was just trolling for attention. Tenkar's video on it led me to notice (after decades!) that it is the same fighter on the cover of all of the BECMI editions. There is also an action figure.

So clever sculpting but if they wanted to highlight cool female characters, the Red Box has Aleena, who is both memorable and taught players important lessons about the way that the game was meant to be played. Sure, the character has a typical female presentation, but that isn't necessarily a bug in a game about heroic fantasies. Archetypes are good, right? Right? Or am I too old fashioned?

WotC is following the Marvel Comics and Disney marketing strategy where you insult the fans, pander to communists who hate their products and have no money to buy their goods and then relish in the fact that they are a hated brand and go bankrupt.  A brand can only shit on the fans till they no longer hate the brand, they no longer think about it and then they lose their jobs while a new CEO gets on his hands and knees and debases himself to try to save his retirement.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 14, 2024, 01:56:48 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on May 11, 2024, 05:43:49 AMThe SJW crowd can't seem to decide if sex work is empowering and sex workers must be respected or whether it's exploitation and bad.  Their outrage or lack of it seems highly instrumental.

I'd settle for the GenZ and GenAlpha 'tards simply not being schizos that can't differentiate fiction from reality. They seem to alternate between porn brain and shrieking like banshees if they see anime tiddies or something. Or them clutching their pearls over the cover of Eldritch Wizardry. It's frustrating that we have to put up with absolute slop like Aphrodite Pandemos being a tranny in the Hades 1 videogame, which was celebrated as being 'representation', only for them to scream bloody murder when someone altered the art to make her stop looking masculine. And yes, I get that 'art fixers' are hypocrites, but it's friggin hilarious when their BS is flipped back on them causing them to go apoplectic. These ESG/DEI/BRIDGE nimrods are going to run out of money one day and all the house of cards they've built will come crashing back down on them.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Anon Adderlan on May 14, 2024, 03:14:20 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on May 11, 2024, 05:43:49 AMThe SJW crowd can't seem to decide if sex work is empowering and sex workers must be respected or whether it's exploitation and bad.  Their outrage or lack of it seems highly instrumental. 
They are nothing if not incoherent.

Quote from: RPGPundit on May 11, 2024, 09:22:32 AMReleasing the older editions to creative commons is a minefield for them.
Not really, because the only people who will be playing them are the folks who already were. Meanwhile most players and services will continue to focus exclusively on supporting the 'current' edition.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Omega on May 14, 2024, 06:36:04 AM
Quote from: Votan on May 13, 2024, 08:36:17 PMSo clever sculpting but if they wanted to highlight cool female characters, the Red Box has Aleena, who is both memorable and taught players important lessons about the way that the game was meant to be played. Sure, the character has a typical female presentation, but that isn't necessarily a bug in a game about heroic fantasies. Archetypes are good, right? Right? Or am I too old fashioned?

Some years back there was much bitching by the woke about how she was "Sexualized" and "pornographic" even. Because these idiots have no clue what those words even mean.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Exploderwizard on May 14, 2024, 08:19:14 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2024, 06:36:04 AM
Quote from: Votan on May 13, 2024, 08:36:17 PMSo clever sculpting but if they wanted to highlight cool female characters, the Red Box has Aleena, who is both memorable and taught players important lessons about the way that the game was meant to be played. Sure, the character has a typical female presentation, but that isn't necessarily a bug in a game about heroic fantasies. Archetypes are good, right? Right? Or am I too old fashioned?

Some years back there was much bitching by the woke about how she was "Sexualized" and "pornographic" even. Because these idiots have no clue what those words even mean.


Aleena? Elmore has done quite a bit of cheesecake art but Aleena wasn't one of them. She was depicted wearing full chainmail. I guess where leftists are concerned, a female drawn with actual female body proportions is pornographic. Remember these are the people who can't even define what a woman is.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: honeydipperdavid on May 14, 2024, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 14, 2024, 01:56:48 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on May 11, 2024, 05:43:49 AMThe SJW crowd can't seem to decide if sex work is empowering and sex workers must be respected or whether it's exploitation and bad.  Their outrage or lack of it seems highly instrumental.

I'd settle for the GenZ and GenAlpha 'tards simply not being schizos that can't differentiate fiction from reality. They seem to alternate between porn brain and shrieking like banshees if they see anime tiddies or something. Or them clutching their pearls over the cover of Eldritch Wizardry. It's frustrating that we have to put up with absolute slop like Aphrodite Pandemos being a tranny in the Hades 1 videogame, which was celebrated as being 'representation', only for them to scream bloody murder when someone altered the art to make her stop looking masculine. And yes, I get that 'art fixers' are hypocrites, but it's friggin hilarious when their BS is flipped back on them causing them to go apoplectic. These ESG/DEI/BRIDGE nimrods are going to run out of money one day and all the house of cards they've built will come crashing back down on them.

Gen Z males are very conservative compared to prior generations and Gen Z females are schizo.  Those Gen Z females that are sane will be breeding up, and those Gen Z females that are degenerate will mate with a large market of degenerates. 

We are literally watching a plot from an Xanth series books by Piers Anthony.  In that world the goblins were cursed so that the females would only find the weakest and most degenerate goblin as attractive and mate with them, which led the goblins to become a small twisted and degenerate race, that is the lefts future.  They are going to be small, twisted, crippled and degenerate.

Millennials are the problem, they have faggotized a large enough group of males that if conflict kicks off, they will have to be dealt with.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Brad on May 14, 2024, 11:32:52 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on May 14, 2024, 08:19:14 AMAleena? Elmore has done quite a bit of cheesecake art but Aleena wasn't one of them. She was depicted wearing full chainmail. I guess where leftists are concerned, a female drawn with actual female body proportions is pornographic. Remember these are the people who can't even define what a woman is.

UNREALISTIC BODY STANDARDS AND CONVENTIONALLY ATTRACTIVE!?!? BLASPHEMY!

"unrealistic body standards" is just code for "not a giant fatass" and "conventionally attractive" means you look like an actual woman. It's funny how normal women have zero fucking issue with Elmore art (except I have heard on more than one occasion "I wish I looked like that"), it's the fat, ugly feminists that complain the most. All while shoving cheesesteaks down their throat and complaining about thyroid issues. Yes, mad.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 14, 2024, 02:51:40 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 14, 2024, 11:17:14 AMMillennials are the problem, they have faggotized a large enough group of males that if conflict kicks off, they will have to be dealt with.

That's true. There are a lot of actual predators hiding in their ranks. Like, a lot. And anime fans have been keeping a running record of assholes that attack us, calling us 'pedophiles' for liking anime, so we have an archive of all the various scum that have eventually been outed as actual predators/sex pests that routinely attack anime. It's like the slime at the UN attacking us and then going apeshit cause many of us reminded them their organization has 'peacekeepers' that run organized kidnap/rape rings in conflict zones.

But I will say that its been hilarious to watch how most of their BS blows up in their face cause they're tourists that didn't get filtered/gatekept out of anime (sadly). They're the worst aspects of the same slime that have invaded RPGs, but at least anime for the moment has hentai (or stuff that's extremely close like ecchi) that will filter them. Its partly why I think nude art should make a comeback for RPGs. If nothing else, it will chase off the undesirables. At least some of the OSR crowd embrace that, and its always worth a chuckle at watching the same old suspects sputter and shriek about Frazetta-inspired art.

Funniest goddamn thing I ever saw was dumbass 'art fixer' on Twitter who took the cover of an issue for the collected manga for fantasy-isekai Harem in the Labyrinth of Another World (which is cutting it so close to hentai as to be razor thin in the difference). The character Sherry (a dwarf sex slave who looks more like a small Elf) was wearing an obvious bodystocking colored dark, so the midwit decided she had obviously been whitewashed by the American studio that did the translation. So she 'fixed' her to be black. All the while not knowing the first damn thing about the series, until it promptly detonated in her face.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: cavalier973 on May 14, 2024, 03:25:33 PM
Who is "Double-D"?
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: cavalier973 on May 14, 2024, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: cavalier973 on May 14, 2024, 03:25:33 PMWho is "Double-D"?

Ah...it's the "Diversity & Dragons" host
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Votan on May 15, 2024, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2024, 06:36:04 AM
Quote from: Votan on May 13, 2024, 08:36:17 PMSo clever sculpting but if they wanted to highlight cool female characters, the Red Box has Aleena, who is both memorable and taught players important lessons about the way that the game was meant to be played. Sure, the character has a typical female presentation, but that isn't necessarily a bug in a game about heroic fantasies. Archetypes are good, right? Right? Or am I too old fashioned?

Some years back there was much bitching by the woke about how she was "Sexualized" and "pornographic" even. Because these idiots have no clue what those words even mean.


Then they are being silly. "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means" seems like the appropriate response.

Here is a post with her picture. It's a human in full armor (no gaps, which was nice) and a belted tabard. Long hair, but so does the male fighter with her. Wasp waisted, I guess, but that is also due to a belted tabard. The chain mail is form fitting, but period mail isn't supposed to sag (it's metal). I guess there is a bit more neck in one of the images than is ideal, but what are we -- Victorians to be scandalized by a bit of ankle?

What an odd line of argument.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: yosemitemike on May 20, 2024, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 14, 2024, 02:51:40 PMFunniest goddamn thing I ever saw was dumbass 'art fixer'

People who "fix" art are worthless pieces of shit who should be collectively euthanized for the betterment of humanity.  Fuck these smug, self-important assholes.  I fucking detest these people.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 20, 2024, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on May 20, 2024, 09:16:07 AMPeople who "fix" art are worthless pieces of shit who should be collectively euthanized for the betterment of humanity.  Fuck these smug, self-important assholes.  I fucking detest these people.

Like I said, I love watching it blow up in their face. Its especially egregious in a certain segment of anime Twitter where a specific demographic of normies/LARPers/interlopers love to 'recolor' existing white characters. These midwits did that to the little girl Anya from Spy x Family BEFORE the series aired and then promptly got their teeth kicked in when the episodes dropped and their shitty art was flipped back on them.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Omega on May 20, 2024, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on May 20, 2024, 09:16:07 AMPeople who "fix" art are worthless pieces of shit who should be collectively euthanized for the betterment of humanity.  Fuck these smug, self-important assholes.  I fucking detest these people.

They arent fixing anything. They are defacing it for their agenda. But of course the woke always twist words out of any meaning.

Police: "You shot him in the head?"
Woke: "I fixed him."

The 90s wave of this stupid did the same thing. A few old cartoons with black characters were either never shown again, edited out, or in a few cases replaced with a white person because apparently some (likely white) person bitched about it.

Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Anon Adderlan on May 23, 2024, 06:52:27 PM
And here I thought making White characters Black was digital Blackface.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Omega on May 24, 2024, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 23, 2024, 06:52:27 PMAnd here I thought making White characters Black was digital Blackface.

Only till it is convenient to the woke for it to not be. I mean Disney have been doing this with Marvel as just one example. We are likely going to see worse over time.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 24, 2024, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 23, 2024, 06:52:27 PMAnd here I thought making White characters Black was digital Blackface.

Its Schrödinger's Blackface: its usage depends on who is applying said colorization. And, at least from what little can be gathered, its people of a darker melanin persuasion than what is classified as 'white'. All things being equal, given its the Internet, the retards in question could just as easy be as pasty as my fat ugly ass.....but I wouldn't bet on it.

Not that it would matter, as these types love to gaslight everyone else into thinking they've never done so and/or its no big deal cause 'representation' or something. Amazing how they love to bitch and moan that anime (which is a medium NOT primarily aimed at non-Japanese audiences) lacks 'diversity'. Beyond the straight up xenophobia a lot of them exhibit towards east Asians, they hold the Japanese as being 'token Whites', since it gives them free reign to hate on them because they're 'really not racists or anything'.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: RPGPundit on May 26, 2024, 03:54:40 AM
Quote from: Votan on May 13, 2024, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 09, 2024, 07:01:56 PMWotC (and Wizkids) are full of people for whom the word "truth" means something totally different from what that word means to normal people.
#dnd    #ttrpg    #osr 





I think the red box fighter thing was just trolling for attention. Tenkar's video on it led me to notice (after decades!) that it is the same fighter on the cover of all of the BECMI editions. There is also an action figure.

So clever sculpting but if they wanted to highlight cool female characters, the Red Box has Aleena, who is both memorable and taught players important lessons about the way that the game was meant to be played. Sure, the character has a typical female presentation, but that isn't necessarily a bug in a game about heroic fantasies. Archetypes are good, right? Right? Or am I too old fashioned?

Several years ago Aleena was condemned by the woke for being a 'sexualized' character. A tough female cleric fully dressed from neck to toe and covered by a tabard.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 26, 2024, 03:58:34 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 26, 2024, 03:54:40 AMSeveral years ago Aleena was condemned by the woke for being a 'sexualized' character. A tough female cleric fully dressed from neck to toe and covered by a tabard.

Being 'Woke' is a hell of a drug. It's also straight up Maoist philosophical bullshit. And anyone who thinks Aleena was sexualized is drooling imbecile that should probably be medicated and thrown into a padded cell for society's benefit.
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: tenbones on May 26, 2024, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 26, 2024, 03:54:40 AMSeveral years ago Aleena was condemned by the woke for being a 'sexualized' character. A tough female cleric fully dressed from neck to toe and covered by a tabard.


Activism over all. Transgender are latest stick used by an activist-run company to promote their agenda over their own products at our collective expense, and especially at the expense of women.

Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 26, 2024, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: tenbones on May 26, 2024, 12:42:08 PMActivism over all. Transgender are latest stick used by an activist-run company to promote their agenda over their own products at our collective expense, and especially at the expense of women.

I'm sure WotC will say Aleena is a MtF trans with a 12-inch horse cock and that 'she was always trans!'
Title: Re: For WotC, "Truth" Means Something Different than the Normal Term
Post by: RPGPundit on May 27, 2024, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 26, 2024, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: tenbones on May 26, 2024, 12:42:08 PMActivism over all. Transgender are latest stick used by an activist-run company to promote their agenda over their own products at our collective expense, and especially at the expense of women.

I'm sure WotC will say Aleena is a MtF trans with a 12-inch horse cock and that 'she was always trans!'

I suppose that would be the logical next step. If iconic male characters of D&D art are now being declared as "always having been canonically women", it would make sense for beloved female characters of D&D art were now declared as having "always been trans". Or "BIPOC". Or both.