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Title: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 11:12:38 AM
Tonight! 8pm Eastern! The Pundit Livestream will feature a debate with CJ Chanter, over the recent exposures of bad behavior in the hobby, and other subjects. It should be spicy, and could go anywhere! So don't miss it.
#dnd #ttrpg #osr


Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: THE_Leopold on February 05, 2024, 11:52:09 AM
This is going to require a dump truck of popcorn to go through.

Who will the moderator? 

What's the over/under on time before someone pulls out the race/sex/class/*ist/*phobe card?

Is there a scoreboard/drinking game when key words are mentioned?

I look forward to watching this absolute shitshow with glee.  Should be good times!
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on February 05, 2024, 11:52:09 AM
This is going to require a dump truck of popcorn to go through.

Who will the moderator? 

What's the over/under on time before someone pulls out the race/sex/class/*ist/*phobe card?

Is there a scoreboard/drinking game when key words are mentioned?

I look forward to watching this absolute shitshow with glee.  Should be good times!

No moderator. But agreed upon rules; we'll see if they're followed. All of those cards are likely to be played (most likely by my opponent) at some point. The drinking games must be organized by the livechat crowd.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: THE_Leopold on February 05, 2024, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 03:58:20 PM


No moderator. But agreed upon rules; we'll see if they're followed. All of those cards are likely to be played (most likely by my opponent) at some point. The drinking games must be organized by the livechat crowd.

What are the ground rules for the debate?

Shame you couldn't pull in GrimJim for the moderator.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 07:05:38 PM
We're starting in less than an hour!
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: Brad on February 05, 2024, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 03:58:20 PMThe drinking games must be organized by the livechat crowd.

You could at least be reasonable and have this stuff on the weekends when we don't have work the next day...
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: Theory of Games on February 05, 2024, 07:38:19 PM
$100 electrum says Pundit gets clipped on his own channel by a socialist ...
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on February 05, 2024, 11:39:12 PM
So....who is CW Chanter? I think I'm missing some context around the dude.

I'd never heard of the guy before. Honestly, from my first impressions the dude is unkempt and has the funky new age guru vibe about him (which isn't a win in my book).

So back to google.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 06, 2024, 01:05:55 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on February 05, 2024, 07:38:19 PM
$100 electrum says Pundit gets clipped on his own channel by a socialist ...

Well, you obviously lost that bet. Feel free to send me the $100 in the form of a Youtube Super Thanks.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 06, 2024, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on February 05, 2024, 11:39:12 PM
So....who is CW Chanter? I think I'm missing some context around the dude.

I'd never heard of the guy before. Honestly, from my first impressions the dude is unkempt and has the funky new age guru vibe about him (which isn't a win in my book).

So back to google.

He's not anyone especially important. He's a relatively newbie Youtube gaming channel, who got notoriety only this past week, for calling out Grimjim and accusing him of being an accomplice to Zak and Jrients in having conspired to put out this article. We address that in the livestream.

The thing that made him worthy of being on my channel is just that he's the first Progressive Leftist in at least TEN YEARS who actually wanted to debate, rather than just cancel people or hide.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: blackstone on February 06, 2024, 01:34:52 PM
Wow. Healthy debate and dialogue. Who knew?
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 06, 2024, 04:30:17 PM
Yes, I think this video went very well.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: Brigman on February 06, 2024, 11:48:41 PM
Honestly, I was impressed by the civil discourse.  Rare these days.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 07, 2024, 06:09:09 AM
Quote from: Brigman on February 06, 2024, 11:48:41 PM
Honestly, I was impressed by the civil discourse.  Rare these days.

Incredibly rare.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGer678 on February 07, 2024, 04:53:20 PM
You two spent more time agreeing than disagreeing, but it was worth it. Props to CW for being willing to debate on your channel.

There's so much I don't know about the 2010s OSR culture wars. Is there a timeline somewhere?

Also, now that it's been shown that one can sue these people and get a retraction and settlement from them, do you intend to take that path?
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: Svenhelgrim on February 07, 2024, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on February 07, 2024, 06:09:09 AM
Quote from: Brigman on February 06, 2024, 11:48:41 PM
Honestly, I was impressed by the civil discourse.  Rare these days.

Incredibly rare.

This one could possibly be turned...
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: Valatar on February 07, 2024, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: RPGer678 on February 07, 2024, 04:53:20 PM
You two spent more time agreeing than disagreeing, but it was worth it. Props to CW for being willing to debate on your channel.

There's so much I don't know about the 2010s OSR culture wars. Is there a timeline somewhere?

Also, now that it's been shown that one can sue these people and get a retraction and settlement from them, do you intend to take that path?

Pretty sure that unlike Zak, Pundit has better things to do with his time.
Title: Re: Finally, a Debate!
Post by: RPGPundit on February 07, 2024, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: RPGer678 on February 07, 2024, 04:53:20 PM
You two spent more time agreeing than disagreeing, but it was worth it. Props to CW for being willing to debate on your channel.

There's so much I don't know about the 2010s OSR culture wars. Is there a timeline somewhere?

Also, now that it's been shown that one can sue these people and get a retraction and settlement from them, do you intend to take that path?

It's not my plan to. In most cases, settlements are likely to be very small, so not worth it. I already outlined in other locations why attempting to sue WotC over removing my name would fail (it's the same reason Zak didn't succeed at it, because WotC covered their asses by removing ALL the consultants from the credits). And the rest of these people are perennially broke anyways.

My best revenge is living well. Of the people they attacked, I think I was the one that came out it all in the strongest position. Raggi and Grim both took more damage, and Zak was essentially destroyed by it (though the real damage to him happened more due to Mandy's claims, which the Wokists latched on to).