https://youtu.be/rDJ2XEEQEU8?si=i99HQmzj28jxlSG-
Great video!
I have an idea, Elon Musk should just buy Dungeons and Dragons from Hasbro!
Quote from: ShieldWife on November 22, 2024, 11:22:18 PMI have an idea, Elon Musk should just buy Dungeons and Dragons from Hasbro!
To what end?
Don't cha know? Elon is one of the cool kids now. :-)
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 22, 2024, 11:46:51 PMQuote from: ShieldWife on November 22, 2024, 11:22:18 PMI have an idea, Elon Musk should just buy Dungeons and Dragons from Hasbro!
To what end?
To the ends of the current owner not having it. At least Musk doesn't hate on the origins of the game. The bar has gotten so low.
Clownfish TV is also covering this and have produced a much more informative video.
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 22, 2024, 11:46:51 PMTo what end?
Quote from: WERDNA on November 23, 2024, 12:55:06 AMTo the ends of the current owner not having it. At least Musk doesn't hate on the origins of the game. The bar has gotten so low.
So many major corporations, especially ones that relate to entertainment and media, have been taken over by woke fanatics. It's hard to find a show or movie to watch that isn't woke craziness.
If Elon can take D&D and make it a-political, that would be a great accomplishment. Maybe he could even improve on it - preserve some of the streamlined new rules but recapture the soul and excitement of D&D of the past.
Quote from: ShieldWife on November 22, 2024, 11:22:18 PMI have an idea, Elon Musk should just buy Dungeons and Dragons from Hasbro!
Hasbro won't sell off that IP. However, Elon might be able to buy Hasbro as a whole and then divest himself of the bits he doesn't want (probably at a loss). I don't know how many people WotC still employs, but most of them would probably have to go.
Quote from: jeff37923 on November 23, 2024, 12:56:13 AMClownfish TV is also covering this and have produced a much more informative video.
Greetings!
Great video, Jeff! Clownfish is great! Man, Sparkle Girl just WENT OFF! She's awesome!
WOTC has so thoroughly corrupted D&D it is disgusting. I think many fans are quite happy to play D&D using some other modified OSR system, and just leave WOTC in the dust with their Woke version of D&D. With every scandal, every horrible interview and Twitter quote WOTC makes, they simply become more and more irrelevant and divorced from the hobby. All of that is even further cemented with every terrible book that WOTC produces.
There are tens of thousands of gamers, maybe more, that have left WOTC in the rearview mirror. WOTC has hugely and severely insulted their actual fanbase--the people that have played D&D for years and consistently spend money on WOTC products--and those results in response are I think having a severe cascading effect upon WOTC. Certainly a strike against their profitability in the short-term, but while the Woke WOTC people smugly congratulate themselves on a new digital D&D, such cascading effects are surely eating away at future profitability and market reputation in irrevocable and devastating ways.
Elon Musk is awesome, too! It would be fantastic if Elon Musk bought WOTC. *Laughing* Just knowing that Elon Musk would certainly fire 75% or more of all of these Woke idiots at WOTC makes me smile. It would be glorious to see! Truth be told, I don't expect Elon Musk to buy WOTC or HASBRO, but this marketing face-plant by WOTC in getting Elon Musk's attention just contributes even more to the market disgust against WOTC.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I will keep saying it until it sinks in: communists are not people. They are demons in human skins who want to destroy anything and everything that brings the remotest amount of joy to anyone. Gygax made D&D to have fun, but because he's was a white, Christian dude, he might as well have been Hitler incarnate and D&D is nothing more than an exercise in white supremacy that has to be changed lest Nazism reign.
At least someone with a loud voice sees how stupid this shit is.
Musk should buy up Hasbro and put Shark in charge of the layoffs.
Quote from: zircher on November 22, 2024, 11:51:57 PMDon't cha know? Elon is one of the cool kids now. :-)
He was ranked as the 19th top Diablo 4 player in the world, so....yeah, the dude is a gamer.
Quote from: Ruprecht on November 23, 2024, 03:05:18 PMMusk should buy up Hasbro and put Shark in charge of the layoffs.
No. I want that job. Goodbye everyone. Completely new staff incoming!!!
If you don't love either Basic or Advanced D&D, there is no place for you here. We'll publish 1 new edition, without shitting on the past. And we'll create the best starter set box, of all time. That will be the #1 priority.
Something that gives plenty of resources, in 1 dang box. A levels 1 to 6 type of adventure, with a big dang sandbox setting. Then each individual table, can go off and write their own adventures to their hearts' content. Great maps included. Half of which is highly detailed, and half of which is largely empty and waiting to be written and explored.
Quote from: Ruprecht on November 23, 2024, 03:05:18 PMMusk should buy up Hasbro and put Shark in charge of the layoffs.
The new D&D edition will be only $75000, includes free cybertruck.
I have mixed feelings about Musk. I like what he's done with X and Space X but Tesla is a mess and PayPal is of the devil.
I would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
Screw WOTC. Glad to hear that shareholders are suing them.
Quote from: Brad on November 23, 2024, 02:46:04 PMGygax made D&D to have fun, but because he's was a white, Christian dude, he might as well have been Hitler incarnate and D&D is nothing more than an exercise in white supremacy that has to be changed lest Nazism reign.
To hear some of the morons on Reddit talk. Yeah thats how far into the gutter Gygax's name has been dragged.
Quote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI have mixed feelings about Musk. I like what he's done with X and Space X but Tesla is a mess and PayPal is of the devil.
I would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
I don't think Musk owns Paypal?
I like the idea of SHARK running WoTC and producing
Dungeons & Dragons: Blood & Boobs Edition
Quote from: S'mon on November 24, 2024, 02:26:39 PMQuote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI have mixed feelings about Musk. I like what he's done with X and Space X but Tesla is a mess and PayPal is of the devil.
I would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
I don't think Musk owns Paypal?
I like the idea of SHARK running WoTC and producing Dungeons & Dragons: Blood & Boobs Edition
Musk was one of the founders of PayPal. That's how he became rich and was able to start Tesla and Space X. I think he's divested now but I still hate PayPal and still mad at him over it.
Quote from: BadApple on November 24, 2024, 02:43:05 PMQuote from: S'mon on November 24, 2024, 02:26:39 PMQuote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI have mixed feelings about Musk. I like what he's done with X and Space X but Tesla is a mess and PayPal is of the devil.
I would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
I don't think Musk owns Paypal?
I like the idea of SHARK running WoTC and producing Dungeons & Dragons: Blood & Boobs Edition
Musk was one of the founders of PayPal. That's how he became rich and was able to start Tesla and Space X. I think he's divested now but I still hate PayPal and still mad at him over it.
Yeah I thought he divested before it became Evil.
Quote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
This would be doomed to failure. There are too many differing views on what D&D even should be. And worse there are people trying to enforce a very narrow and false style of play. Sure enough they'd gain control one way or another and we'd be right back to the problem of ousting a new brand of idiots.
Quote from: S'mon on November 24, 2024, 05:45:36 PMQuote from: BadApple on November 24, 2024, 02:43:05 PMQuote from: S'mon on November 24, 2024, 02:26:39 PMQuote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI have mixed feelings about Musk. I like what he's done with X and Space X but Tesla is a mess and PayPal is of the devil.
I would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
I don't think Musk owns Paypal?
I like the idea of SHARK running WoTC and producing Dungeons & Dragons: Blood & Boobs Edition
Musk was one of the founders of PayPal. That's how he became rich and was able to start Tesla and Space X. I think he's divested now but I still hate PayPal and still mad at him over it.
Yeah I thought he divested before it became Evil.
Meh, It got worse over time but even when it started there were signs of things to come. PayPal always reserved the right to hold money if they wanted too and even at the beginning there are stories of people basically using PayPal and getting stiffed.
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Quote from: S'mon on November 24, 2024, 02:26:39 PMQuote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI have mixed feelings about Musk. I like what he's done with X and Space X but Tesla is a mess and PayPal is of the devil.
I would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
I don't think Musk owns Paypal?
I like the idea of SHARK running WoTC and producing Dungeons & Dragons: Blood & Boobs Edition
Greetings!
*Laughing* Yeah, brother! THAT would be something else, heh? As an executive running WOTC, I would be extremely ruthless in getting rid of all of the Woke morons. Everyone left, and any new hired staff would have to align carefully with my own Genghis Khan philosophy. Some divergent thought is acceptable--of course, but ALL must be in keeping with the Genghis Khan philosophy of "Blood and Boobies".
Savage, rough men, and smoke show women, everywhere. That all is simply absolutely essential. I, as you know, enjoy many different aspects of gaming, history, fantasy, and all that, though it is my firm and absolute belief in the core audience and attraction point for D&D. Fierce, rough men, smoke show hot women, war, hatred, blood, lots of heroism. Gamers everywhere respond well to these themes, whether men or women. Interestingly, these base motives of blood, conquest, sensuality, and heroism are appreciated also by everyone virtually regardless of age--silver haired seniors, as well as adolescents, and everyone in between--all embrace such messaging with genuine enthusiasm.
As far as I am concerned, anyone that DOESN'T embrace such virtues, should go and play My Little Pony, and leave D&D to the rest of us.
Yes, I know my views would likely exclude and *marginalize* some pearl-clutching crybabies, but I don't care. The game's success--and profitability--does not hinge on such people, but is built firmly upon meeting such classic, "Old School" expectations.
These things are what the people need and want--and I would go forth and see to it that is exactly what is provided. *Laughing*
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Bob World Builder's take on WotC trashing Gary Gygax?
Elon Musk is the bad guy here.
Quote from: Crusader X on November 25, 2024, 05:50:55 PMBob World Builder's take on WotC trashing Gary Gygax?
Elon Musk is the bad guy here.
I don't know why I expected anything from Bob but it made me sad that he sided with the Gygax haters. Musk wasn't just trying to churn up controversy for his platform, that's a simpleton's analysis.
Quote from: Crusader X on November 25, 2024, 05:50:55 PMElon Musk is the bad guy here.
I've only taken a quick glance at the massive thread on EN World, but that seems to be their take as well.
Greetings!
Bob World Builder seems like a fucking moron.
And with all his whining about "We want EVERYONE to play!"--NO, we don't. The obvious strife, drama, and all the Woke BS that has flowed into the hobby is precisely because too many gamers were weak fucking pussies that didn't gatekeep hard enough and see the threat posed for the hobby from Marxist Woke freaks.
From that, the hobby has become choked and shot through with Woke jello and Woke BS.
So, NO. We don't want EVERYONE to play.
Fucking moron. Elon Musk is right. And Grummz is spot the fuck on as usual.
You can also tell that Bob World Builder doesn't even lift. His lack of testosterone has affected his mind, and it has sabotaged his mental abilities and judgment.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 25, 2024, 06:40:41 PMQuote from: Crusader X on November 25, 2024, 05:50:55 PMElon Musk is the bad guy here.
I've only taken a quick glance at the massive thread on EN World, but that seems to be their take as well.
Well, of course. The average ENWorld thread (on anything controversial) is far more likely to disappear up it's own ass than provide any useful discussion. It's usually just a bunch of virtue-signaling room-temperature IQ folks desperately rushing to see who can post the most obsequious drivel fastest. Any wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read). I used to follow the pure RPG discussion there, even after I got disgusted with the "moderation" (read "morons"), but now I generally can't even find too many of those. Quickly someone comes in to tone-police those disagreeing and whoosh... down the stupid slide it goes...
Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read).
It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.
Quote from: S'mon on November 26, 2024, 04:32:36 AMQuote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read).
It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.
Morrus too. Reason why I left the site is because her personally stepped in to moderate and ban someone because arguing against liberal policies was apparently harassment of other posters. This was in a thread, where the people were openly advocating for more antifa style "activism".
Quote from: Hzilong on November 26, 2024, 06:52:41 AMQuote from: S'mon on November 26, 2024, 04:32:36 AMQuote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read).
It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.
Morrus too. Reason why I left the site is because her personally stepped in to moderate and ban someone because arguing against liberal policies was apparently harassment of other posters. This was in a thread, where the people were openly advocating for more antifa style "activism".
Morrus is the other 1% :D
Edit: Yeah the site spirals ever more into insanity, like RPGnet 15 years ago.
Quote from: GhostNinja on November 23, 2024, 09:04:24 PMScrew WOTC. Glad to hear that shareholders are suing them.
Wait, what? This is a thing?
Quote from: Omega on November 24, 2024, 06:19:41 PMQuote from: BadApple on November 23, 2024, 08:29:55 PMI would think the best way for us to get what we would like out of D&D is if we gamers and fans band together and crowd source buying it and form a board to run in in accordance with good game design and ethical property management.
This would be doomed to failure. There are too many differing views on what D&D even should be. And worse there are people trying to enforce a very narrow and false style of play. Sure enough they'd gain control one way or another and we'd be right back to the problem of ousting a new brand of idiots.
The simple fact that WoTC admittedly has taken to DEI in their corporate structure, and has obviously leaked over into D&D, they have NARROWED the customer-base by those very actions. Yet, at the very same time, have been trying to make D&D not just a brand, but a lifestyle brand to permeate through pop culture.
They're trying to have it both ways, and it never works.
Look what happened to Bud Light.
:o So wait, are we getting a SHARK D&D Blood & Boobies edition! :D
:) I wanna be design director for the My Little Pony lands to be crushed by the invading hordes, then viciously reinvaded as PC heroes beat back said horde and bring peace back to such feeble lands. I'm good at weenie NPC nattering nabob of negativity crafting, like professions such as tabulator of the carob rations, neighborhood tattletale, and keeper of the speaking stick! Pick me! Pick me! :)
Quote from: Opaopajr on November 26, 2024, 08:53:26 AM:o So wait, are we getting a SHARK D&D Blood & Boobies edition! :D
I'd buy it based on the title alone.
Quote from: blackstone on November 26, 2024, 08:06:57 AMQuote from: GhostNinja on November 23, 2024, 09:04:24 PMScrew WOTC. Glad to hear that shareholders are suing them.
Wait, what? This is a thing?
Yeah, it's a thing and will result in no-thing. Well TECHNICALLY the shareholders are suing Hasbro (WotC isn't publicly traded as far as I know):
https://static.blbglaw.com/docs/November%2013%2C%202024%20-%20Initial%20Complaint_Hasbro.pdf
Class action, everyone will probably get a dollar, the end.
I just look at Gygax's flaws...then consider Jonathan Tweet's promotion of atheism and abortion...and WotC's celebration of occultism and perversity...
And some words about planks and specks come to mind.
Quote from: blackstone on November 26, 2024, 08:14:01 AMYet, at the very same time, have been trying to make D&D not just a brand, but a lifestyle brand to permeate through pop culture.
Marvel tried that lifestyle thing too with stuff like Marvel themed cooking shows. It was a miserable failure for them too. Who would have thought that turning super hero comics into a lifestyle brand for wine aunts would be unsuccessful?
Quote from: yosemitemike on November 27, 2024, 10:21:10 AMQuote from: blackstone on November 26, 2024, 08:14:01 AMYet, at the very same time, have been trying to make D&D not just a brand, but a lifestyle brand to permeate through pop culture.
Marvel tried that lifestyle thing too with stuff like Marvel themed cooking shows. It was a miserable failure for them too. Who would have thought that turning super hero comics into a lifestyle brand for wine aunts would be unsuccessful?
I just had a radical notion! Maybe they should try to tell good stories before leaning into branding and merchandise and whatnot.
Nah. That's silly.
Quote from: BadApple on November 24, 2024, 02:43:05 PMThat's how he became rich and was able to start Tesla and Space X.
Point of order: Musk did not start Tesla, he invested a ton in it early on. He only gets to call himself a cofounder due to a lawsuit.
I would like to ad that although musk is on the right side of censorship and gov bloat he has also started his companies by soaking up government handouts whenever possible. Maybe he changed, maybe not. We will see.
Quote from: Ruprecht on November 27, 2024, 08:41:19 PMI would like to ad that although musk is on the right side of censorship and gov bloat he has also started his companies by soaking up government handouts whenever possible. Maybe he changed, maybe not. We will see.
I'd say its kind of a "hate the game not the player" situation. Business should try to get what they can out of the government because the government will damn sure try to fleece you too.
Quote from: Hzilong on November 27, 2024, 10:51:30 PMI'd say its kind of a "hate the game not the player" situation. Business should try to get what they can out of the government because the government will damn sure try to fleece you too.
I agree, I'm just saying people shouldn't consider him a hero when they don't know all his politics.
His companies also have some strange and somewhat despicable practices. TESLA seems to not have a lessons learned when they build a factory and gladly make the same mistakes again (number of restrooms and distance of restrooms from workers caused urine smelling dark corners in their factories in Oakland, they repeated this in their Austin facilities). Of course that's their problem, I just think it's odd. I'd heard a similar story about the Samsung construction in Austin where they didn't have any kind of documentation of their buildings in Korea to avoid mistakes. Seems really strange to me.
Quote from: S'mon on November 26, 2024, 04:32:36 AMQuote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read).
It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.
Amen. I've been banned for days for the most innocuous comments. They've made it impossible to even have a reasonable discussion.
Folks I don't think people are all for Musk so much as they are anti-WOTC. People are tired of WOTC trashing the old school game and gamers.
I mean there's plenty of Musk fanboys. I can certainly see how anyone would like him, given that he pisses off the right people and actually does things in a world where most cannot. He's not exactly my ball of yarn, but I can see why he would be popular among plenty of cats.
Dungeon Craft had a pretty good take on it:
Quote from: S'mon on November 26, 2024, 04:32:36 AMQuote from: Eirikrautha on November 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PMAny wrongthink is dogpiled instantly, followed by mod action (assuming the mods can see through their own drool clearly enough to read).
It's really just one mod. Umbran is 99% of what's wrong with EN World and has pretty much single handedly set the tone of the site as it is now.
The mods enforce the cult, but they don't create it--it comes from both above (WotC) and below (much of their audience). I half-expect that all three will unify to require the following to open each session of Official D&D (since the Unholy Brand Name and the Network Collective is what
really matters):
- Ceremonial cursing of the name of Gygax (and perhaps Musk, depending on whether the current Indefinite Two-Minutes Hate persists)
- Pledge of Allegiance to the Progressive Pride Flag
- Trampling of the crucifix
- Offering to Asmodeus
;)
Mr. Asmodeus denies any involvement with this woke nonsense but will happily accept offerings as long as no contractual obligations are claimed or implied by the donating party.
I'm not a Musk fanboy, and I know there are political things of his I don't like. But, regardless of politics, even when he was a democrat, I always considered Elon Musk to be an interesting person who did some pretty innovative things. I always admired and respected these qualities about him and liked reading about his life.
...Because a person is more than his political views. I'm sure many here agree with this.
I am not a fan of Musk nor a hater. He is kind of an odd duck that does all kinds of things for his own reasons. If he were to acquire D&D and put a stop to all the corporate hate of Gygax, Arneson and other pioneers who helped make this hobby that would be another step that would move him more to the fan column.
Eh? Just keep playing with the books I already have.
Quote from: Cathode Ray on December 03, 2024, 03:09:43 PMI'm not a Musk fanboy, and I know there are political things of his I don't like. But, regardless of politics, even when he was a democrat, I always considered Elon Musk to be an interesting person who did some pretty innovative things. I always admired and respected these qualities about him and liked reading about his life.
...Because a person is more than his political views. I'm sure many here agree with this.
I agree and I have almost the same take on Musk. I don't always think he is doing the right thing but I think he thinks he is and he cares about a lot of things that are good. He is a driver of innovation too.