Jesus what a hilarious reaction this message board provides over every bit of D&D news these days. Literally less than 20 companies impacted by this (and no royalty number stated so even they could see little impact) and it's immediately "OMG the sky is falling it's all over man!" from this board.

I mean, you could literally sum up 90% of posts on this message board about WOTC or Hasbro or 5e or OneDND with one sentence these days, "Old man who hasn't played modern D&D in years sees news about modern D&D as sure sign of doom for modern D&D and further justification for him not playing it."

WOTC could be handing out free hookers and blow and that would still be the reaction I suspect.

Quote from: Mistwell on December 22, 2022, 02:15:51 PM
Jesus what a hilarious reaction this message board provides over every bit of D&D news these days. Literally less than 20 companies impacted by this (and no royalty number stated so even they could see little impact) and it's immediately "OMG the sky is falling it's all over man!" from this board.

I mean, you could literally sum up 90% of posts on this message board about WOTC or Hasbro or 5e or OneDND with one sentence these days, "Old man who hasn't played modern D&D in years sees news about modern D&D as sure sign of doom for modern D&D and further justification for him not playing it."

WOTC could be handing out free hookers and blow and that would still be the reaction I suspect.

Greetings!

You are really surprised, Mistwell? Where have you been? Our forum here has been pretty much highly critical of WOTC for quite awhile now. Even the people here that *LIKE 5E*--such as myself--have also been dismayed and critical of WOTC's policies, trends, and game books also for a long time.

And honestly, WOTC keeps on going from bad to worse. Every couple of months, every new book, they open their mouths and write or create something new that is absolutely fucked up and stupid. Or they release an interview or commentary with Developer A that shows they are wallowing in more terrible Woke BS. The *Stupid Train* just doesn't stop with WOTC anymore. This whole "One D&D" is just more BS as well.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on December 22, 2022, 02:41:14 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on December 22, 2022, 02:15:51 PM
Jesus what a hilarious reaction this message board provides over every bit of D&D news these days. Literally less than 20 companies impacted by this (and no royalty number stated so even they could see little impact) and it's immediately "OMG the sky is falling it's all over man!" from this board.

I mean, you could literally sum up 90% of posts on this message board about WOTC or Hasbro or 5e or OneDND with one sentence these days, "Old man who hasn't played modern D&D in years sees news about modern D&D as sure sign of doom for modern D&D and further justification for him not playing it."

WOTC could be handing out free hookers and blow and that would still be the reaction I suspect.

Greetings!

You are really surprised, Mistwell? Where have you been? Our forum here has been pretty much highly critical of WOTC for quite awhile now. Even the people here that *LIKE 5E*--such as myself--have also been dismayed and critical of WOTC's policies, trends, and game books also for a long time.

And honestly, WOTC keeps on going from bad to worse. Every couple of months, every new book, they open their mouths and write or create something new that is absolutely fucked up and stupid. Or they release an interview or commentary with Developer A that shows they are wallowing in more terrible Woke BS. The *Stupid Train* just doesn't stop with WOTC anymore. This whole "One D&D" is just more BS as well.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I am not surprised man, it's just tiresome. It's just D&D. Ultimately the rules system matters less than the group you're playing with. Nobody is being nefarious - it's just people playing D&D with slightly different flavors. All this nonsense about politics is meaningless for most players. They're still just drinking Mountain Dew and beer and eating pizza and pretzels and Cheetos and cracking jokes around a table playing a fun game with friends. And they're doing that with OSR games and 5e and PF and all the other variants on the same theme.

Aaannnd like clockwork...

Quote from: Mistwell on December 22, 2022, 02:15:51 PM

Ok so if you think it's something, and so far it just looks like pretty ordinary capitalism to me, then you tell me specifically what the problem is? I mean for all the bitching about woke this and woke that, nothing in this recent release about the OGL has anything to do with that topic. So come on, Mr. "I'm anti-Marxist except when it comes to stuff I want" tell me exactly what's wrong with this OGL announcement that doesn't make you sound like a socialist stooge.

One D&D?  One is the loneliest number.

Uh oh, here he goes again...

Quote from: Mistwell on December 22, 2022, 05:50:19 PM
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Quote from: Jaeger on December 22, 2022, 06:21:02 PM
Uh oh, here he goes again...

Quote from: Mistwell on December 22, 2022, 05:50:19 PM
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That's what I thought. You got nuthin, chump.

Well, will you look at that...

Quote from: Mistwell on December 22, 2022, 07:11:25 PM

Quote from: jhkim on December 22, 2022, 02:43:16 AMAll the existing OGL 1.0 material is still legal, and people can continue to develop and release stuff under the OGL 1.0.

One thing I've wondered for years is why doesn't WotC put an expiration date on the OGL? It would have been a pretty trivial addition. And I don't think anyone in 2001 would have cared if the OGL expired on Jan 1, 2015. Most of the 3e-compatible companies had already gone out of business by then.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on December 23, 2022, 10:59:02 AM

Quote from: jhkim on December 22, 2022, 02:43:16 AMAll the existing OGL 1.0 material is still legal, and people can continue to develop and release stuff under the OGL 1.0.

One thing I've wondered for years is why doesn't WotC put an expiration date on the OGL? It would have been a pretty trivial addition. And I don't think anyone in 2001 would have cared if the OGL expired on Jan 1, 2015. Most of the 3e-compatible companies had already gone out of business by then.

Because Ryan Dancy wanted to be sure there would never again be a situation like the waning days of TSR where the availability of D&D could be threatened by an owner just sitting on the IP.

Every headache WotC has had in trying to monopolize D&D comes down to Dancy's deliberate efforts to ensure they couldn't actually do so and sliding it in basically under their noses.

I'm certain Dancy's name is a curse word in the halls of WotC/Hasbro.

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 23, 2022, 11:08:24 AMI'm certain Dancy's name is a curse word in the halls of WotC/Hasbro.

This makes dancey feel like some roug-ish vigilante. Something you would make a movie about.

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 23, 2022, 11:08:24 AM
Because Ryan Dancy wanted to be sure there would never again be a situation like the waning days of TSR where the availability of D&D could be threatened by an owner just sitting on the IP.

Every headache WotC has had in trying to monopolize D&D comes down to Dancy's deliberate efforts to ensure they couldn't actually do so and sliding it in basically under their noses.

I'm certain Dancy's name is a curse word in the halls of WotC/Hasbro.

But in 2016, they released the 5e SRD under the 1.0 version of the OGL instead of making a newer, time limited OGL version. So you can't blame Ryan Dancy for that. And this is even after WotC knew that the OGL could make trouble for them with things like Pathfinder.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on December 23, 2022, 01:37:22 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 23, 2022, 11:08:24 AM
Because Ryan Dancy wanted to be sure there would never again be a situation like the waning days of TSR where the availability of D&D could be threatened by an owner just sitting on the IP.

Every headache WotC has had in trying to monopolize D&D comes down to Dancy's deliberate efforts to ensure they couldn't actually do so and sliding it in basically under their noses.

I'm certain Dancy's name is a curse word in the halls of WotC/Hasbro.

But in 2016, they released the 5e SRD under the 1.0 version of the OGL instead of making a newer, time limited OGL version. So you can't blame Ryan Dancy for that. And this is even after WotC knew that the OGL could make trouble for them with things like Pathfinder.

In 2016 they were still recovering from the PR hit of the disastrous 4E GSL and were damnably close to being shelved by Hasbro. They needed every bit of positive PR (we learned our lesson) they could muster back in 2016. Going with another version of the GSL would have just seen people stick with Pathfinder.

There's a reason they're trying to call their enforceable contract the "OGL 1.1" even though its nothing of the sort by any standard open content organizations would recognize... because they know calling it something that doesn't suggest a continuance of the OGL would go over just as badly as the GSL did.

OGL 1.1 is named like its a Congressional bill... i.e. its actually meant to accomplish the opposite of what it was named for.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on December 23, 2022, 01:37:22 PMBut in 2016, they released the 5e SRD under the 1.0 version of the OGL instead of making a newer, time limited OGL version. [...] And this is even after WotC knew that the OGL could make trouble for them with things like Pathfinder.

The OGL made Pathfinder possible, but it didn't make Pathfinder - the GSL did. And "OGL" 1.1 looks quite a lot like a GSL...