Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1100311The world needs more derisive laughter and dismissive contempt.

Wise words indeed!

I agree, most of the time the correct response to garbage posted online is to ignore it. Exception for when someone is under serious attack and could benefit from a show of support.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1100311They weren't ignored, they were heard - by state secretaries of education, school boards, and so on. The proper response when they stood up in PTA meetings would have been to let them rabbit on for a bit, "thankyou for your opinion, now on to matters of substance," or when they presented their petitions, filed in the round filing cabinet. This is what happened in Australia and the UK with the Christians, though we have failed to do so with the CJWs and SJWs.

The US Christians were listened to. They were not ignored. And that was the problem. As then, so now.

This is what comes of treating people's beliefs with respect. Eventually whoever has the loudest beliefs gets to impose them on others. The world needs more derisive laughter and dismissive contempt. It begins with not sharing their nonsense. Your hysterical response to someone's blog with 11 readers ensures they get more attention. Lonely losers then find company. White supremacists have 8chan, SJWs have tumblr. By drawing attention to obscure nonsense you help the producers of that nonsense form communities. Though they are the ones engaging in the circle jerk, we're the ones who end up eating the soggy biscuit.

Deny the fire air. Don't fan the flames, you idiot. Let the lonely losers remain lonely, then perhaps they will in time decide to no longer be losers.

Because the assholes have no power in the government, academia, media and corporate worlds right?

The YEC were stopped by people criticizing them, and ridiculing them. Mockery is the best weapon to this kind of fuckers.

Quote from: trechriron;1100308I seriously wish we would stop using SJW in the pejorative. It gives those of us who actually fight for social justice a bad rap. These people are only co-opting the term as they found a less-discerning crowd there. They are actually angry fascists using social justice, feminism and equality to gain power (and oppress/ruin their enemies). They are generally only concerned with themselves. Calling them Social Justice Warriors is somewhat of a misnomer. Just because someone runs up to you calling you "anathema" claiming to be the Pope, does not mean they are actually the Pope (or worthy of such a title). We should call them what they are. SLFs. Selfish Leftist Fascists. Selfs. It's like "Elf" but with 1000x more selfish-asshole. If that's possible.

Also, I lean left but I'm not an extremist. This kind of hand-wringing fuck-wittery is not indicative of actual liberal-minded people who are well-adjusted functioning human beings. It's an agenda to control our little corner of the hobby world. Fuck these dumbasses.

Social Justice = Racial, gender, etc "justice"

The term was coined by them, we use it to mack them because they deserve mockery, it's not like you couldn't call yourself an advocate.

Quote from: trechriron;1100308I seriously wish we would stop using SJW in the pejorative. It gives those of us who actually fight for social justice a bad rap.

What social justice do you fight for?

Actually this reminds me of me slagging off Human Rights Lawyers. Most Human Rights Lawyers in the UK are IMO terrible people working hard to help even more terrible people avoid their just desserts. Only I got talking to one of my students, a Nigerian Muslim 'Human Rights Lawyer'. Turns out, in Nigeria a 'Human Rights Lawyer' is not a fellow traveller for the worst kinds of terrorists and murdering scum, but rather someone who tries to stop abusive husbands beating the Hell out of their wives. Human Rights Lawyers over there don't try to undermine society, they try to make it a little better.

Made me think about what's in a name.

Quote from: trechriron;1100308I seriously wish we would stop using SJW in the pejorative. It gives those of us who actually fight for social justice a bad rap. These people are only co-opting the term as they found a less-discerning crowd there. They are actually angry fascists using social justice, feminism and equality to gain power (and oppress/ruin their enemies). They are generally only concerned with themselves. Calling them Social Justice Warriors is somewhat of a misnomer. Just because someone runs up to you calling you "anathema" claiming to be the Pope, does not mean they are actually the Pope (or worthy of such a title). We should call them what they are. SLFs. Selfish Leftist Fascists. Selfs. It's like "Elf" but with 1000x more selfish-asshole. If that's possible.

Also, I lean left but I'm not an extremist. This kind of hand-wringing fuck-wittery is not indicative of actual liberal-minded people who are well-adjusted functioning human beings. It's an agenda to control our little corner of the hobby world. Fuck these dumbasses.

I dislike Social Justice in the intended sense. I think adding identity politics to justice leads to the injustice and secular-religious tribalism we saw at Evergreen College, and in what we call SJWs in general.

Quote from: S'mon;1100313I agree, most of the time the correct response to garbage posted online is to ignore it. Exception for when someone is under serious attack and could benefit from a show of support.

By not responding, you're ceding the argument. Wrong information and wrong conclusions need to be countered, wherever they occur, either with correct data and logical conclusions, or ridicule. Look how much effect is spent on redefining the language, moving the Overton window, and excluding voices. Those are all ways people can avoid having to defend unsupportable positions, or justify holding them. When they drown out or silence the alternatives, falsehoods can become the dominant paradigm.

Quote from: Pat;1100320By not responding, you're ceding the argument. Wrong information and wrong conclusions need to be countered, wherever they occur, either with correct data and logical conclusions, or ridicule. Look how much effect is spent on redefining the language, moving the Overton window, and excluding voices. Those are all ways people who can avoid having to defend unsupportable positions, or justify holding them. When they drown out or silence the alternatives, falsehoods can become the dominant paradigm.

Eggsactly.

Famous quote time: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."<sup>1

1</sup>According to Quote Investigator, that wasn't Edmund Burke.

Quote from: RandyB;1100323Famous quote time: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."<sup>1

1</sup>According to Quote Investigator, that wasn't Edmund Burke.

Many times the reason PCs do go hunt monsters.

Quote from: trechriron;1100308I seriously wish we would stop using SJW in the pejorative. It gives those of us who actually fight for social justice a bad rap.

Social Justice is mind rot that creates only harm, chaos, and mocks the ideal that justice stands for.  It is poison to the fools that believe in it as it creates thousands if not millions of brainwash cultists that will use violence on innocent people if there is a whiff of disagreement.  The very idea of social justice must die and be remembered for the toxic ideology that it truly is.

I refuse to concede the hijacking of a legitimate Catholic term, coined by Pope Pius XI, as I understand it. Thus, I prefer to describe these sorts as 'the Hard Left,' 'hard progressives,' or 'dupes and pawns of a major branch of the nascent Anti-Church.'

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1100329I refuse to concede the hijacking of a legitimate Catholic term, coined by Pope Pius XI, as I understand it. Thus, I prefer to describe these sorts as 'the Hard Left,' 'hard progressives,' or 'dupes and pawns of a major branch of the nascent Anti-Church.'

It goes back to the 19th century in Europe, but it did rise to prominence thanks to the Catholic church during the 20th.

I'm actually curious how and when it was co-opted into its current usage. My impression is it's become a far, far more common in just the last few years, but a search on Google Trends shows usage has been fairly stable since 2004 (that's as far as it goes back). Which really surprised me.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1100324Many times the reason PCs do go hunt monsters.

Which puts the lie to the "murderhobo" meme. More to like!

Quote from: RandyB;1100331Which puts the lie to the "murderhobo" meme. More to like!

PCs are equal opportunity murderers thats why they travel around.

Quote from: Mankcam;1100104How did all this politically correct crap get into something as non-political as fantasy rpgs?

To the zealots driving the progressive bus today, everything is political. And the demographics of the woke - white, educated, middle and upper class class, extremely online - matches up pretty closely to the demographics of nerd culture. I was banned from another tabletop forum for simply advocating that political issues be confined to the political sub-folders. Because, as all decent folk know, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

What's dismaying is how an extremely dedicated fraction of people in a hobby or sub-culture can effectively take over that culture and dictate its norms. It's not really the zealots who are the problem, it's the dupes who enable the zealots out of cowardice and opportunism. The forum admins and opinion-shapers who don't really buy this shit, but feel they need to go along with it to be seen to be a good person and not one of the Bad Guys.