It sure looks like the guy supposedly making "Star Frontiers" for New-TSR is a huge racist/anti-Semite.
But after #dnd Wokists spent years calling everyone they dislike "Nazis", it's unsurprising that #ttrpg gamers are finding it hard to believe.
#osr
If you dig hard enough, you'll eventually find a Nazi or a white supremacist or whatever.
Whoopity fuckin doo dah.
It may or may not be true, but if it comes from a social justice whiner, I'm just not going to care. An accusation has to come from a credible source for me to even start investigating whether it may be true.
Precisely.
They were warned that repeated misuse of 'Nazi' would come back to haunt them.
And now? It's like accusing us of being 'rayciss'. We don't fuckin' care.
Everything I've seen suggests the accusations are on target ... but nu-TSR is such an irrelevant dumpster fire anyway, I can't see the point in getting too exercised about it. If it were last summer, when it looked like they might actually be doing something, yes, but today? It's detestable, but it's just another step on their spiral downward, and about as relevant to the hobby as FATAL.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 19, 2022, 10:14:00 AM
Everything I've seen suggests the accusations are on target ... but nu-TSR is such an irrelevant dumpster fire anyway, I can't see the point in getting too exercised about it. If it were last summer, when it looked like they might actually be doing something, yes, but today? It's detestable, but it's just another step on their spiral downward, and about as relevant to the hobby as FATAL.
Greetings!
Yep. It's like just one big *yawn*. It is irrelevant and largely meaningless.
This hysteria though is inspired by the SJW's because the SJW leaders constantly encourage hysteria over "White Supremacy" and Yahtzees, aiming such efforts as a kind of vehicle for themselves to gain more authority, influence, and power. While also conveniently wiping their asses with the Constitution. (Look at efforts to corrupt and destroy the 1st and 2nd Amendments, as well as others).
Meanwhile, most normal Americans don't give a fuck because we know the truth--that "White Supremacy" and Yahtzees are ultimately marginal at best.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Good video and some good points!
I've always been suspicious of nu-TSR. The only reason to resurrect a dead trademark is to trade on the nostalgia of older gamers. If that's a significant part of your business plan, you're not focused on making good games. Cart before the horse, etc.
I believe this accusation in particular, but the only reason we're even hearing about this is cuz these people are obsessed with smearing their perceived political opponents and were desperately looking for something, ANYTHING, to hang on nuTSR for failing to toe the woke line. And woopie doo! After years of searching and accusing everyone who didn't bow down to them in RPGs they finally found their Yahtzee!
Sorry if I don't give a fuck by this point. Even if this was years ago before they wiped their ass with the word "Nazi", this is just some inconsequential social media rando with barely 100 follower before they shut their Twitter down. And AFAIK his book had nothing to do with Yahtzees. Who cares?
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 19, 2022, 12:49:17 PM
I believe this accusation in particular, but the only reason we're even hearing about this is cuz these people are obsessed with smearing their perceived political opponents and were desperately looking for something, ANYTHING, to hang on nuTSR for failing to toe the woke line. And woopie doo! After years of searching and accusing everyone who didn't bow down to them in RPGs they finally found their Yahtzee!
Sorry if I don't give a fuck by this point. Even if this was years ago before they wiped their ass with the word "Nazi", this is just some inconsequential social media rando with barely 100 follower before they shut their Twitter down. And AFAIK his book had nothing to do with Yahtzees. Who cares?
I would like to note that turnabout is fair play, and one of the reasons that Nina Jankowicz is no longer going to head up the U.S. 'disinformation bureau'.
Back on topic, though, has nuTSR actually published anything? Wake me up when they put out something more than a press release.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 19, 2022, 10:14:00 AM
Everything I've seen suggests the accusations are on target ... but nu-TSR is such an irrelevant dumpster fire anyway, I can't see the point in getting too exercised about it. If it were last summer, when it looked like they might actually be doing something, yes, but today? It's detestable, but it's just another step on their spiral downward, and about as relevant to the hobby as FATAL.
^THIS^
You know why you generally never see discussion of the latest NuTSR on dit here? Because they're just trademark hucksters with no games, and thus are completely irrelevant to the hobby. Tac on a loser Yahtzee Larper, and my zero fucks are still zero fucks.
Nobody cares about NuTSR.
Well, Morrus and ENworld care... Why? Dunno. But never have I seen so much coverage on that site for such an irrelevant gaming company. Just think of the time and effort spent searching on the net to get the dirt on a nobody Yahtzee Larper... That's some serious zeal!
(I personally think it has a lot to do with the TSR trademark being out of SJW control, but that's just me.)Quote from: SHARK on May 19, 2022, 11:16:47 AM
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Meanwhile, most normal Americans don't give a fuck because we know the truth--that "White Supremacy" and Yahtzees are ultimately marginal at best.
...
Double this.
Onaholearmy showed his true agenda when he said:
"Don't assume that just because you don't care
about this kind of bullshit infecting our hobby, that I don't. Classic projection."
Actually, classic Leftist: Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty of.
Yahtzee Larpers are not "infecting" anything. How do I know that for a fact?
SPOILER ALERT: Because
Nobody Likes Yahtzee LARPERS!
Nobody has anything to do with them. No one.
It's all just part of their continual rinse and repeat effort to brand anyone they don't like with guilt by association.
Meet the new broad brush, same as the old broad brush:
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/223/418/e29.png)
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 19, 2022, 01:31:41 PM
Back on topic, though, has nuTSR actually published anything? Wake me up when they put out something more than a press release.
The real tragedy in all this, is that a bunch of do-nothings hold the TSR name.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 19, 2022, 02:51:51 PM
The real tragedy in all this, is that a bunch of do-nothings hold the TSR name.
The upside is it sounds like they made themselves too obnoxious to WotC to be left alone.
The downside is that it means WotC will probably hold on to it forever now.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 19, 2022, 02:51:51 PM
The real tragedy in all this, is that a bunch of do-nothings hold the TSR name.
You hit the nail on the head. They can't seem to get one thing right. If you've got the TSR name at least release some freakin' games.
I have the solution. The MSM and the libtards keep telling us that Nazis are the good guys, but apparently only when they're in the Ukraine, so Nu-TSR just needs to put a blue/gold flag in their Twatter bio and then all MUST be forgiven.
Somebody - that's not WotC or other woke retard - should do an official Star Frontiers 5e conversion and relaunch because the IP deserves a new life.
As for the "controversy", words like nazi, racist and anti-Semite are all bullshit and laughable terms now. "Anti-Semite" now means any criticism of Israel or any person of even partial Jewish heritage, "racist" means you don't tow the Democrat party line narrative, and "nazi" is anyone who disagrees with a libtard.
So be it. Fuck all the handwringing shitstains crying for censorship.
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
As for the "controversy", words like nazi, racist and anti-Semite are all bullshit and laughable terms now. "Anti-Semite" now means any criticism of Israel or any person of even partial Jewish heritage, "racist" means you don't tow the Democrat party line narrative, and "nazi" is anyone who disagrees with a libtard.
I think you've hit the nail on the head.
By doing so, the accusation when true (ie someone is actually racist etc.) loses its meaning. You sort of shrug your shoulders and go 'Oh, another one. So what?'
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 19, 2022, 12:17:54 PM
Good video and some good points!
I've always been suspicious of nu-TSR. The only reason to resurrect a dead trademark is to trade on the nostalgia of older gamers.
Not allways.
Ive seen several designers reclaim a title or such because someone else either swiped it, or new owners abused or just discarded it. WOTC spits on TSR and of course someones going to want to take that away from them.
Wether or not this new TSR did it for reasons right or wrong, at this point its a moot point. If they fuck it up then someone else will eventually pick up the trampled flag and run with it. Eventually someone will get it right.
Meanwhile TRS still quietly produces Dragon Dice because WOTC was going to chuck all the dice into a landfill rather than try selling them and so this guy stepped in and bought the rights and molds to the game.
Another designer for RuneQuest did the same and recovered from WOTC the HeroQuest title after MB grabbed it from them.
Eventually I'll get back my Starfield title after Bethsada ganked it from me. The fact they lied to me about it just makes that all the more an inevitability. I wouldn't have minded if theyd just said "Hey. We are making a new game and is it ok if we use this old game title?"
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 19, 2022, 07:34:23 PMBy doing so, the accusation when true (ie someone is actually racist etc.) loses its meaning. You sort of shrug your shoulders and go 'Oh, another one. So what?'
Even if someone is the most racist racist in the entire history of racism, so what?
It's a free country with freedom of speech. Nowhere in the Constitution demands everybody like each other.
Modern culture has gone insane. If everybody can go to work without killing each other, then all is fine regardless of what everybody says about each other away from work.
AKA, in the past, plenty of people at the workplace actually hated each other, but there was no social media so while everybody knew Timmy and Billy fucking hated each other, there was no handwringing over tweets.
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 19, 2022, 07:21:30 AM
It sure looks like the guy supposedly making "Star Frontiers" for New-TSR is a huge racist/anti-Semite.
But after #dnd Wokists spent years calling everyone they dislike "Nazis", it's unsurprising that #ttrpg gamers are finding it hard to believe.
#osr
I watched the Antifa videos at the bottom - https://www.nohateingaming.com/
I got the impression this guy is mocking Antifa, socialists, communists, and democrats (KKK).
I've seen all of the memes before. They weren't created by and for notsees or racists.
They are all the creation of 4chan explicitly for the purpose of trolling.
In short it's juvenile.
I'd criticize him for not have the creativity to make up his own racist/notsee memes. /s
This wanking over "racism" is truly laughable.
All these ENworld whining bitches need to visit New York or Los Angeles and meet the many hundreds of thousands of...Hispanics who hate Whites, the Whites who hate blacks, the blacks who hate Asians, the Asians who hate Hispanics, the Hispanics who hate Asians, the blacks who hate Whites, the Whites who hate Asians, and of course, the blacks who hate blacks.
Humans prefer their own...and also hate their own. It's a fucked up species.
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Humans prefer their own...and also hate their own. It's a fucked up species.
That's why I prefer animals. They won't backstab you.
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 19, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
That's why I prefer animals. They won't backstab you.
I was going to say 'Except scorpions', but they're insects :P
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Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 19, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
That's why I prefer animals. They won't backstab you.
I was going to say 'Except scorpions', but they're insects :P
Arachnids. Which is still a type of animal. But then again, so are humans. Though, some animals are more cuddly than others, but humans and scorpions are way down the list.
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 19, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Humans prefer their own...and also hate their own. It's a fucked up species.
That's why I prefer animals. They won't backstab you.
Monitor lizards have entered the chat.
Quote from: Hzilong on May 19, 2022, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 19, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Humans prefer their own...and also hate their own. It's a fucked up species.
That's why I prefer animals. They won't backstab you.
Monitor lizards have entered the chat.
Chimpanzees
Animals will rape and kill each other over territory and mates, and kill and devour the young of other species.
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Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 19, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Humans prefer their own...and also hate their own. It's a fucked up species.
That's why I prefer animals. They won't backstab you.
Monitor lizards have entered the chat.
Chimpanzees
Animals will rape and kill each other over territory and mates, and kill and devour the young of other species.
Chimps will chew your face and fingers off and claw your eyes out (literally happened to a woman in the news years ago). They're nasty fucks.
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 20, 2022, 12:03:10 AM
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Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 19, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Humans prefer their own...and also hate their own. It's a fucked up species.
That's why I prefer animals. They won't backstab you.
Monitor lizards have entered the chat.
Chimpanzees
Animals will rape and kill each other over territory and mates, and kill and devour the young of other species.
Chimps will chew your face and fingers off and claw your eyes out (literally happened to a woman in the news years ago). They're nasty fucks.
Chimps might be nasty fucks but they aint got nothing on Ducks who are ultra nasty fucks.
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 19, 2022, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
As for the "controversy", words like nazi, racist and anti-Semite are all bullshit and laughable terms now. "Anti-Semite" now means any criticism of Israel or any person of even partial Jewish heritage, "racist" means you don't tow the Democrat party line narrative, and "nazi" is anyone who disagrees with a libtard.
I think you've hit the nail on the head.
By doing so, the accusation when true (ie someone is actually racist etc.) loses its meaning. You sort of shrug your shoulders and go 'Oh, another one. So what?'
And that's exactly the point I made in the video. One of the WORST things (of a long list of bad things) that the Wokists have done is create a situation where words that once had enormous power of condemnation to people who were actual real human scum now have no power at all.
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 20, 2022, 01:33:04 AM
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 19, 2022, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
As for the "controversy", words like nazi, racist and anti-Semite are all bullshit and laughable terms now. "Anti-Semite" now means any criticism of Israel or any person of even partial Jewish heritage, "racist" means you don't tow the Democrat party line narrative, and "nazi" is anyone who disagrees with a libtard.
I think you've hit the nail on the head.
By doing so, the accusation when true (ie someone is actually racist etc.) loses its meaning. You sort of shrug your shoulders and go 'Oh, another one. So what?'
And that's exactly the point I made in the video. One of the WORST things (of a long list of bad things) that the Wokists have done is create a situation where words that once had enormous power of condemnation to people who were actual real human scum now have no power at all.
Ding ding ding. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
I've commented as well about how the wokeists have, from a language standpoint, devalued the currency. Running around calling people Nazis may give you a cheap dopamine high, but it won't actually change anything.
What's more, the definition (at least in their heads) of Nazi has devolved. From 'member of the NSDAP' to 'holds views akin to the NSDAP' to 'is somewhat ideologically aligned with NSDAP' to 'stood too close to a member of the NSDAP' to its final incarnation, 'someone I disagree with'.
And as the late Billy Mays would say, 'BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!'.
When you pull out those words, you close off any avenue of peaceful compromise. Who wants to talk to someone who calls you a Nazi? Especially when you're not. It's like the meme, 'Who radicalized you?' 'You did.' There's no more room for negotiation. If they don't want to change, what do you do then?
Which leads into my next point. You don't 'negotiate' or 'compromise' with evil. The old saw is that diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' until you can find a big enough rock. So if the wokeists (by their words) view us as evil... are they not looking for a rock while they talk?
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 20, 2022, 01:33:04 AM
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 19, 2022, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 19, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
As for the "controversy", words like nazi, racist and anti-Semite are all bullshit and laughable terms now. "Anti-Semite" now means any criticism of Israel or any person of even partial Jewish heritage, "racist" means you don't tow the Democrat party line narrative, and "nazi" is anyone who disagrees with a libtard.
I think you've hit the nail on the head.
By doing so, the accusation when true (ie someone is actually racist etc.) loses its meaning. You sort of shrug your shoulders and go 'Oh, another one. So what?'
And that's exactly the point I made in the video. One of the WORST things (of a long list of bad things) that the Wokists have done is create a situation where words that once had enormous power of condemnation to people who were actual real human scum now have no power at all.
Nobody outside of this hugbox believes that the members the rpgsite repeatedly running cover for nazis is the fault of anyone but the users of the rpgsite. Nice attempt at damage control, though.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on May 20, 2022, 08:13:37 AMNobody outside of this hugbox believes that the members the rpgsite repeatedly running cover for nazis is the fault of anyone but the users of the rpgsite. Nice attempt at damage control, though.
Seriously, memes are your evidence and excuse for
Demanding "X" be done to somebody It is a good thing you are absolutely nobody, don't matter, and never will. do tell, what "Punishment" do you think Nu-Tsr deserves? let us put a face on your brand of nonchalance cowardice.
I am 50. I missed World wars 1 and 2 by 40/80 years each. I have not seen a "nazi", and I am absolutely certain that SJWs haven't either.
They don't know the meaning of the words they are trained to spew, they are just like clapping seals.
Like the "Boy who cried wolf" the words have lost all meaning and don't provoke anyone outside of Fist range.
Accuse someone of those things face to face? and you will eat those words...
EDIT: which brings to mind the following question;
why hide behind a Keyboard and sockpuppet accounts?
Tubesock army is clearly trying to "provoke" people to do Tubesock's work for him...
Can we ban the assclown calling us Nazi sympathizers now please?
Quote from: PSIandCO on May 20, 2022, 09:36:56 AM
Tubesock army is clearly trying to "provoke" people to do Tubesock's work for him...
Can we ban the assclown calling us Nazi sympathizers now please?
There's a reason I have him on block.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 20, 2022, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: PSIandCO on May 20, 2022, 09:36:56 AM
Tubesock army is clearly trying to "provoke" people to do Tubesock's work for him...
Can we ban the assclown calling us Nazi sympathizers now please?
There's a reason I have him on block.
you can do that? how? because I want to block the shit.
Quote from: PSIandCO on May 20, 2022, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on May 20, 2022, 08:13:37 AMNobody outside of this hugbox believes that the members the rpgsite repeatedly running cover for nazis is the fault of anyone but the users of the rpgsite. Nice attempt at damage control, though.
Seriously, memes are your evidence and excuse for Demanding "X" be done to somebody It is a good thing you are absolutely nobody, don't matter, and never will. do tell, what "Punishment" do you think Nu-Tsr deserves? let us put a face on your brand of nonchalance cowardice.
I am 50. I missed World wars 1 and 2 by 40/80 years each. I have not seen a "nazi", and I am absolutely certain that SJWs haven't either.
They don't know the meaning of the words they are trained to spew, they are just like clapping seals.
Like the "Boy who cried wolf" the words have lost all meaning and don't provoke anyone outside of Fist range.
Accuse someone of those things face to face? and you will eat those words...
EDIT: which brings to mind the following question; why hide behind a Keyboard and sockpuppet accounts?
I haven't demanded anything be done to anybody. Feel free to post proof to the contrary. I'm just stating the obvious. That Dave Johnson is an anti-Semitic, racist POS.
Also, my offer to have this account's IP checked by the staff is a standing one. This is the only account I have, or have had here. Again, feel free to post any proof otherwise.
How difficult would it be to make a ripoff of Star Frontiers? Given the preponderance of scifi tropes, it shouldn't be too difficult to make something that provides a similar experience with the serial numbers filed off.
For example, this artist redesigned some of the races: https://androidarts.com/RPG/StarFrontiers.htm
Also, Star*Drive and Galactos Barrier had some interesting ideas that could be recycled too.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on May 20, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
Also, my offer to have this account's IP checked by the staff is a standing one. This is the only account I have, or have had here. Again, feel free to post any proof otherwise.
You wear a clown costume but insist that people take you seriously. Your clown license has a registration number? Nobody cares about magic internet numbers.
The internet has been around for 30 years and trolling is well understood at this point. Loneliness and social isolation suck and some people only have the internet as an outlet, so it's understandable.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 10:41:56 AM
How difficult would it be to make a ripoff of Star Frontiers? Given the preponderance of scifi tropes, it shouldn't be too difficult to make something that provides a similar experience with the serial numbers filed off.
For example, this artist redesigned some of the races: https://androidarts.com/RPG/StarFrontiers.htm
Also, Star*Drive and Galactos Barrier had some interesting ideas that could be recycled too.
Aside from being one of the first westerns in space, or whatever it is, what's unique about it now given that we have so many other games available in this genre? Is there anything more than nostalgia here?
How does one block a poster on this site anyway?
Quote from: Abraxus on May 20, 2022, 10:58:24 AM
How does one block a poster on this site anyway?
Go to your profile > modify profile > ignore list and add the fucker to it.
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 10:48:01 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on May 20, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
Also, my offer to have this account's IP checked by the staff is a standing one. This is the only account I have, or have had here. Again, feel free to post any proof otherwise.
You wear a clown costume but insist that people take you seriously. Your clown license has a registration number? Nobody cares about magic internet numbers.
The internet has been around for 30 years and trolling is well understood at this point. Loneliness and social isolation suck and some people only have the internet as an outlet, so it's understandable.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you know somebody's got nothin' when they resort to the ol' armchair psychologist routine.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 10:41:56 AM
How difficult would it be to make a ripoff of Star Frontiers? Given the preponderance of scifi tropes, it shouldn't be too difficult to make something that provides a similar experience with the serial numbers filed off.
For example, this artist redesigned some of the races: https://androidarts.com/RPG/StarFrontiers.htm
Also, Star*Drive and Galactos Barrier had some interesting ideas that could be recycled too.
IIRC Strange Stars does this, not sure how well it does it if I'm correct.
The hardest part is filling the numbers off. Assuming you want a clone so close to it as possible.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on May 20, 2022, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 10:48:01 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on May 20, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
Also, my offer to have this account's IP checked by the staff is a standing one. This is the only account I have, or have had here. Again, feel free to post any proof otherwise.
You wear a clown costume but insist that people take you seriously. Your clown license has a registration number? Nobody cares about magic internet numbers.
The internet has been around for 30 years and trolling is well understood at this point. Loneliness and social isolation suck and some people only have the internet as an outlet, so it's understandable.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you know somebody's got nothin' when they resort to the ol' armchair psychologist routine.
You don't have to take my word for it. There have been loads of studies and it's obvious to any layperson who looks into it. Loneliness is a big driver. There's no shame in being lonely. You want attention and you get it here. It doesn't take a psychologist to notice that. If more people showed you compassion instead of getting riled up, you'd stop. I've seen it many times.
Greetings!
Members of RPGSITE "Run cover" for Nazis? Really now? Who? Where? How?
In more recent times, the website has seen a few increasingly unstable racist wannabes, of which they were promptly and unceremoniously banhammered. I can't imagine anyone here having any sympathy whatsoever for actual Nazis.
I wonder why Tubesock doesn't have anything better to do with his time than to be an internet troll and agent provocateur?
Tubesock's whole shtick is just tiresome and sad.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Abraxus on May 20, 2022, 10:58:24 AM
How does one block a poster on this site anyway?
Greetings!
Yes, Abraxus, IGNORE is a useful function, found under the instructions GeekyBugle provided. I haven't in the past used the Ignore function myself, though it increasingly becomes more attractive to use for certain people.
I hope you are doing well! I haven't seen you around here much recently. It's always good to see your discussion and contributions.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 10:49:42 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 10:41:56 AM
How difficult would it be to make a ripoff of Star Frontiers? Given the preponderance of scifi tropes, it shouldn't be too difficult to make something that provides a similar experience with the serial numbers filed off.
For example, this artist redesigned some of the races: https://androidarts.com/RPG/StarFrontiers.htm
Also, Star*Drive and Galactos Barrier had some interesting ideas that could be recycled too.
Aside from being one of the first westerns in space, or whatever it is, what's unique about it now given that we have so many other games available in this genre? Is there anything more than nostalgia here?
Nostalgia is probably the reason. Tabletop gamers are very nostalgia-driven and will stay with properties solely out of that feeling even if it becomes unrecognizable. They're very selective in their nostalgia too and will have nostalgia for versions of their favorite game that only existed in their heads. They'll ignore genuine absurdities in their fav games that they wouldn't tolerate elsewhere.
I speak from experience. It's a toxic mindset that poisons you. I broke out of it and now I'm critical of nostalgia and these old properties. IMO, we should make new games with the benefit of hindsight and all the technical innovation that has happened since. We should embrace a diversity of settings rather than let monopolies hold sway.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 20, 2022, 11:07:21 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 10:41:56 AM
How difficult would it be to make a ripoff of Star Frontiers? Given the preponderance of scifi tropes, it shouldn't be too difficult to make something that provides a similar experience with the serial numbers filed off.
For example, this artist redesigned some of the races: https://androidarts.com/RPG/StarFrontiers.htm
Also, Star*Drive and Galactos Barrier had some interesting ideas that could be recycled too.
IIRC Strange Stars does this, not sure how well it does it if I'm correct.
The hardest part is filling the numbers off. Assuming you want a clone so close to it as possible.
Ok, I'll have to check that out. Thanks.
Anyway, I think it's very easy to do that for scifi. e.g. http://jbr.me.uk/exo/ Most of the aliens are just based on terrestrial species or combinations thereof turned into alien species.
And to be entirely honest, since WotC isn't using these properties they're probably not going to pursue ripoffs. For example, they didn't go after that random guy who took the Alternity trademark from under their nose.
Quote from: SHARK on May 20, 2022, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Abraxus on May 20, 2022, 10:58:24 AM
How does one block a poster on this site anyway?
Greetings!
Yes, Abraxus, IGNORE is a useful function, found under the instructions GeekyBugle provided. I haven't in the past used the Ignore function myself, though it increasingly becomes more attractive to use for certain people.
I hope you are doing well! I haven't seen you around here much recently. It's always good to see your discussion and contributions.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I rather not except with certain posters it feels like being at work when dealing with them on the boards and they refuse to change yet expect others to change their ways. So fuck that I rather not even waste the minutes reading their posts. Not sure if so will with some damn close.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 12:01:57 PM
Nostalgia is probably the reason. Tabletop gamers are very nostalgia-driven and will stay with properties solely out of that feeling even if it becomes unrecognizable. They're very selective in their nostalgia too and will have nostalgia for versions of their favorite game that only existed in their heads. They'll ignore genuine absurdities in their fav games that they wouldn't tolerate elsewhere.
I speak from experience. It's a toxic mindset that poisons you. I broke out of it and now I'm critical of nostalgia and these old properties. IMO, we should make new games with the benefit of hindsight and all the technical innovation that has happened since. We should embrace a diversity of settings rather than let monopolies hold sway.
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 12:01:57 PM
Nostalgia is probably the reason. Tabletop gamers are very nostalgia-driven and will stay with properties solely out of that feeling even if it becomes unrecognizable. They're very selective in their nostalgia too and will have nostalgia for versions of their favorite game that only existed in their heads. They'll ignore genuine absurdities in their fav games that they wouldn't tolerate elsewhere.
I speak from experience. It's a toxic mindset that poisons you. I broke out of it and now I'm critical of nostalgia and these old properties. IMO, we should make new games with the benefit of hindsight and all the technical innovation that has happened since. We should embrace a diversity of settings rather than let monopolies hold sway.
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Oh, for fuck's sake! Not this bullshit again....
What is new is not necessarily better and if it is old and works, why fix it? Not to mention that the games that are played out of 'nostalgia' use d6 or d10 with not even a glance at the d20.
Why do I get the feeling that I've been gaming for longer than either of you have been alive?
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 11:28:03 AM
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Also, my offer to have this account's IP checked by the staff is a standing one. This is the only account I have, or have had here. Again, feel free to post any proof otherwise.
You wear a clown costume but insist that people take you seriously. Your clown license has a registration number? Nobody cares about magic internet numbers.
The internet has been around for 30 years and trolling is well understood at this point. Loneliness and social isolation suck and some people only have the internet as an outlet, so it's understandable.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you know somebody's got nothin' when they resort to the ol' armchair psychologist routine.
You don't have to take my word for it. There have been loads of studies and it's obvious to any layperson who looks into it. Loneliness is a big driver. There's no shame in being lonely. You want attention and you get it here. It doesn't take a psychologist to notice that. If more people showed you compassion instead of getting riled up, you'd stop. I've seen it many times.
Repeating it doesn't make it true. Nice try, though. And before you tearfully stammer "B-but MUH PEER REVIEW", your cherry-picked take is incomplete and overly reductive.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 20, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
What is new is not necessarily better and if it is old and works, why fix it? Not to mention that the games that are played out of 'nostalgia' use d6 or d10 with not even a glance at the d20.
Why do I get the feeling that I've been gaming for longer than either of you have been alive?
Possibly. However, ever notice how the "nostalgia" case is always being made for why someone else does something, not an explanation for why the one making the case is doing something? That's because it is more wish-casting than thinking.
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 12:01:57 PM
Nostalgia is probably the reason. Tabletop gamers are very nostalgia-driven and will stay with properties solely out of that feeling even if it becomes unrecognizable. They're very selective in their nostalgia too and will have nostalgia for versions of their favorite game that only existed in their heads. They'll ignore genuine absurdities in their fav games that they wouldn't tolerate elsewhere.
I speak from experience. It's a toxic mindset that poisons you. I broke out of it and now I'm critical of nostalgia and these old properties. IMO, we should make new games with the benefit of hindsight and all the technical innovation that has happened since. We should embrace a diversity of settings rather than let monopolies hold sway.
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Nostalgia does play a huge role, but if someone likes something and it works for them why should they change for something new?
LOL at using DCC as an example of nostalgia since it uses a number of new mechanics that AREN'T Old School.
As for the settings: Agreed, some are 100% public domain (Pendragon, Atlantis, Medieval anything, etc), some aren't and you need to file the serial numbers off (Flash Gordon, Conan, Barsoom, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc).
But it can and has been done, in this same forum we have the author behind several examples (Night Owl Games), you might not like the mechanics, but having the bulk of the work done you just need to decouple the setting from the mechanics to replace them with your favourite ones.
"If it ain't broke don't fix it" is not only a maxim it's good advice, so Go forth and find the engine you like best and transplant it to whatever setting you like.
As for innovative mechanics I'm on board, Advantage-Disadvantage is something I'm welding to my games because I like it, so they will end as a Frankenstein monster with bits from the OSR and from other places and "new" stuff I'm cooking. "New" because the fact that I haven't seen it elsewhere doesn't mean it doesn't exist anywhere.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 20, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 01:09:40 PM
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Oh, for fuck's sake! Not this bullshit again....
What is new is not necessarily better and if it is old and works, why fix it? Not to mention that the games that are played out of 'nostalgia' use d6 or d10 with not even a glance at the d20.
Why do I get the feeling that I've been gaming for longer than either of you have been alive?
Sorry, dude, that wasn't directed to you or your game of choice. I and people I know overlooked great systems because no d20. Personal experience, YMMV.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 20, 2022, 03:23:57 PM
Nostalgia does play a huge role, but if someone likes something and it works for them why should they change for something new?
LOL at using DCC as an example of nostalgia since it uses a number of new mechanics that AREN'T Old School.
As for the settings: Agreed, some are 100% public domain (Pendragon, Atlantis, Medieval anything, etc), some aren't and you need to file the serial numbers off (Flash Gordon, Conan, Barsoom, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc).
But it can and has been done, in this same forum we have the author behind several examples (Night Owl Games), you might not like the mechanics, but having the bulk of the work done you just need to decouple the setting from the mechanics to replace them with your favourite ones.
"If it ain't broke don't fix it" is not only a maxim it's good advice, so Go forth and find the engine you like best and transplant it to whatever setting you like.
As for innovative mechanics I'm on board, Advantage-Disadvantage is something I'm welding to my games because I like it, so they will end as a Frankenstein monster with bits from the OSR and from other places and "new" stuff I'm cooking. "New" because the fact that I haven't seen it elsewhere doesn't mean it doesn't exist anywhere.
Why change? Sometimes new can solve problems you didn't know you had. For the longest time I resisted anything but d20 vs target number systems. Roll, do some arithmetic, pause, and then say "ah, I hit." It took me far too long to discover other systems that make the result immediate and obvious. It turns out, when it comes to rolling dice, I like those systems better. Was there an objective problem with d20 systems? No. But sticking with what I knew prevented me from discovering something I like better.
With DCC it was the art more than the mechanics.
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 05:38:51 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 20, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 01:09:40 PM
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Oh, for fuck's sake! Not this bullshit again....
What is new is not necessarily better and if it is old and works, why fix it? Not to mention that the games that are played out of 'nostalgia' use d6 or d10 with not even a glance at the d20.
Why do I get the feeling that I've been gaming for longer than either of you have been alive?
Sorry, dude, that wasn't directed to you or your game of choice. I and people I know overlooked great systems because no d20. Personal experience, YMMV.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 20, 2022, 03:23:57 PM
Nostalgia does play a huge role, but if someone likes something and it works for them why should they change for something new?
LOL at using DCC as an example of nostalgia since it uses a number of new mechanics that AREN'T Old School.
As for the settings: Agreed, some are 100% public domain (Pendragon, Atlantis, Medieval anything, etc), some aren't and you need to file the serial numbers off (Flash Gordon, Conan, Barsoom, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc).
But it can and has been done, in this same forum we have the author behind several examples (Night Owl Games), you might not like the mechanics, but having the bulk of the work done you just need to decouple the setting from the mechanics to replace them with your favourite ones.
"If it ain't broke don't fix it" is not only a maxim it's good advice, so Go forth and find the engine you like best and transplant it to whatever setting you like.
As for innovative mechanics I'm on board, Advantage-Disadvantage is something I'm welding to my games because I like it, so they will end as a Frankenstein monster with bits from the OSR and from other places and "new" stuff I'm cooking. "New" because the fact that I haven't seen it elsewhere doesn't mean it doesn't exist anywhere.
Why change? Sometimes new can solve problems you didn't know you had. For the longest time I resisted anything but d20 vs target number systems. Roll, do some arithmetic, pause, and then say "ah, I hit." It took me far too long to discover other systems that make the result immediate and obvious. It turns out, when it comes to rolling dice, I like those systems better. Was there an objective problem with d20 systems? No. But sticking with what I knew prevented me from discovering something I like better.
With DCC it was the art more than the mechanics.
If I don't know I have a problem... Do I really have one?
My point isn't to never try a different system, my point is if someone likes d20 systems better there's nothing wrong with that.
Same if you like 3d6, 2d6, 2d10, dice pool, tarot, whatever. If you never try something different you might be missing on something, but if you're happy with your game of choice you don't have a problem.
Now, if you have an issue with say the swinginess of the d20... Then 3d6 might be for you, you might not like all the other stuff and end up just replacing the d20 for 3d6 and boom, YOUR ideal game.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 20, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 12:01:57 PM
Nostalgia is probably the reason. Tabletop gamers are very nostalgia-driven and will stay with properties solely out of that feeling even if it becomes unrecognizable. They're very selective in their nostalgia too and will have nostalgia for versions of their favorite game that only existed in their heads. They'll ignore genuine absurdities in their fav games that they wouldn't tolerate elsewhere.
I speak from experience. It's a toxic mindset that poisons you. I broke out of it and now I'm critical of nostalgia and these old properties. IMO, we should make new games with the benefit of hindsight and all the technical innovation that has happened since. We should embrace a diversity of settings rather than let monopolies hold sway.
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Oh, for fuck's sake! Not this bullshit again....
What is new is not necessarily better and if it is old and works, why fix it? Not to mention that the games that are played out of 'nostalgia' use d6 or d10 with not even a glance at the d20.
Why do I get the feeling that I've been gaming for longer than either of you have been alive?
I didn't say that. I appreciate what the OSR is doing, especially when it comes to providing alternatives to the bloated woke monopolies that have taken over the market. I was even discussing how to imitate the setting of
Star Frontiers. Yeah, what's new isn't necessarily better but sometimes it is. Sometimes something that is old and works doesn't need fixing, and sometimes there are better ways of doing the same thing. It's not a black and white issue but a nuanced issue, and treating it as B&W old=good new=bad is the kind of toxic nostalgia I'm criticizing. It's not as much of an issue with fantasy gaming because diversity, creativity, and innovation has always been a thing in this genre. "Look how different my elves/dwarves/orcs/dryads/necromancers/whatever are from the stereotype! Look how unique my campaign setting is!" That's great. I love the OSR. In other games we're saddled with shitty mechanics that don't support the intended themes and bloated messes of settings worshiped by religious nutjobs simply because of nostalgia.
With
Star Frontiers (and other old TSR scifi IPs) in particular I'm thinking "these are some interesting ideas for alien races and settings, it would be a pity for them to be forgotten." I bought all the
Star*Drive novels because I find the setting interesting and unique in the way it mixes together almost all imaginable scifi tropes. I can appreciate old no longer supported settings that way.
Regarding the Topic, sheep always bleat about a wolf, because to a sheep damn near everything is a wolf.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 20, 2022, 11:03:32 AM
Go to your profile > modify profile > ignore list and add the fucker to it.
Thank you!
Quote from: oggsmash on May 21, 2022, 04:16:11 PM
Regarding the Topic, sheep always bleat about a wolf, because to a sheep damn near everything is a wolf.
Agreed. The blatant attempt to "mobilize" on the word of a loser whose tagline is, "I'm just here to make fun of you" speaks volumes for the worthlessness of the WOKE.
So...have they published a game yet?
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on May 22, 2022, 04:02:13 AM
So...have they published a game yet?
Nah! They don't have time, what with spending all this time on their social media feeds, challenging large corporate entities in the law courts, running a museum.......
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 20, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 12:01:57 PM
Nostalgia is probably the reason. Tabletop gamers are very nostalgia-driven and will stay with properties solely out of that feeling even if it becomes unrecognizable. They're very selective in their nostalgia too and will have nostalgia for versions of their favorite game that only existed in their heads. They'll ignore genuine absurdities in their fav games that they wouldn't tolerate elsewhere.
I speak from experience. It's a toxic mindset that poisons you. I broke out of it and now I'm critical of nostalgia and these old properties. IMO, we should make new games with the benefit of hindsight and all the technical innovation that has happened since. We should embrace a diversity of settings rather than let monopolies hold sway.
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Oh, for fuck's sake! Not this bullshit again....
What is new is not necessarily better and if it is old and works, why fix it? Not to mention that the games that are played out of 'nostalgia' use d6 or d10 with not even a glance at the d20.
Why do I get the feeling that I've been gaming for longer than either of you have been alive?
You grogs are way too sensitive about the "nostalgia" issue. There's nothing wrong with a little nostalgia. I started playing Holmes Basic over 40 years ago. The other day, I looked at a PDF file of this game, to jog my memory.....and it brought back some good memories, some good feelings. My point is, nobody here is saying that you only like your old elf game from the 1970's.....because you started playing it when you were 12. But nostalgia has been used in deeply cynical ways, in order to sell things that people don't really want. If 4e didn't have the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS TRADEMARK, then practically nobody would have noticed it or played it.
People's attachments to TRADEMARKS are often tied into....NOSTALGIA. That's not wrong. It just is what it is. No bigee. It doesn't mean your old favorite rpg sucks.
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 22, 2022, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 20, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 20, 2022, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 20, 2022, 12:01:57 PM
Nostalgia is probably the reason. Tabletop gamers are very nostalgia-driven and will stay with properties solely out of that feeling even if it becomes unrecognizable. They're very selective in their nostalgia too and will have nostalgia for versions of their favorite game that only existed in their heads. They'll ignore genuine absurdities in their fav games that they wouldn't tolerate elsewhere.
I speak from experience. It's a toxic mindset that poisons you. I broke out of it and now I'm critical of nostalgia and these old properties. IMO, we should make new games with the benefit of hindsight and all the technical innovation that has happened since. We should embrace a diversity of settings rather than let monopolies hold sway.
Very interesting observations. Nostalgia does hit hard. It's the reason I bought into DCC. You're right about technical innovation. There are a few newer systems that really nail dice mechanics and probably get overlooked by many because they don't use a d20.
Oh, for fuck's sake! Not this bullshit again....
What is new is not necessarily better and if it is old and works, why fix it? Not to mention that the games that are played out of 'nostalgia' use d6 or d10 with not even a glance at the d20.
Why do I get the feeling that I've been gaming for longer than either of you have been alive?
You grogs are way too sensitive about the "nostalgia" issue. There's nothing wrong with a little nostalgia. I started playing Holmes Basic over 40 years ago. The other day, I looked at a PDF file of this game, to jog my memory.....and it brought back some good memories, some good feelings. My point is, nobody here is saying that you only like your old elf game from the 1970's.....because you started playing it when you were 12. But nostalgia has been used in deeply cynical ways, in order to sell things that people don't really want. If 4e didn't have the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS TRADEMARK, then practically nobody would have noticed it or played it.
People's attachments to TRADEMARKS are often tied into....NOSTALGIA. That's not wrong. It just is what it is. No bigee. It doesn't mean your old favorite rpg sucks.
Except for the ones with metaplot and lore, glorified fanfiction masquerading as a game that roped a bunch of people into uncritically worshiping them for having books and books of the writers wanking it to their own fanfiction and totally losing their shit whenever there are retcons or new metaplot events or blah blah blah. Those definitely suck. These are elf-
games, not Laurel K. Hamilton novels.