Quote from: TJS;1106350Generally, when compared to say RPGnet, a far greater majority of the threads here tend to be political.

It's not even close really.

You and I clearly have two very, very different experiences of RPGNet. Any time I ever go there, I have a hard time finding a single solitary thread where there isn't some woke fucktard spewing their poison in one form or fashion.

Quote from: rawma;1106311Looking at the threads on the front page that have over a hundred replies:

And... so what? This has nothing to do with what I said whatsoever. Discussion lies where people find interest and passion in it. If people want to discuss gaming-only topics, there is no shortage of area to do it in. The board will not 'run out of room' if you post a gaming-only thread. If your thread dies or garners few replies, that is due to lack of interest (spoiler: same as any forum). The reason certain uninteresting or niche non-political gaming threads maintain more steam on places like TBP versus here is due to a difference in traffic, not in gaming interest.

Quote from: rawma;1106311I'm not patient enough to look through shorter threads, which do get the "it's all because of SJWs/intersectionality/whatever" posts out of left field, but it is the political threads that attract discussion; in the long run that's going to hurt the site, because you'll be replacing long term thoughtful posters with people who apparently couldn't avoid being banned by somewhere else for a whole month.

So you openly admit to "not being patient enough to look through shorter threads," yet you're lamenting the political threads garnering the most discussion (plus apparently you are patient enough to read through that drivel...? Not sure if you're just going off thread title alone, if you actually read them there is actually some very interesting gaming-related discussion in there particularly the STR discussion and 5e thread) as well as merely guessing at the shorter specifically gaming-related ones also containing political commentary/debate? Uh. OK I guess.

I'm not sure I understand the logic of +politics = - thoughtful posters at all. People discuss what they want to discuss. I hate the political discussion around TBP but I can still post a specifically gaming-related thread there and get apolitical replies (the main difference being, if I do post something political it will be entirely self-congratulatory one-sided replies from the peanut gallery and anyone else gets banned for any perceived dissent; it's merely an illusion of peaceful discussion). Note that the political threads there get VASTLY more replies as well. Huh. Actually same at enworld, bgg and all the other notable gaming forums as well.

If you re-read my reply, you'll note I said practically every public forum and especially gaming forums invite political discussion in one way or another. So, does that mean "long term thoughtful posters" are being replaced in every one of those forums? If not, why is this one any different? I believe if you think about it logically, you'll find that posters go to where they feel most at home. Which means there's cross traffic. What drives one person away attracts others, and traffic is in a consistent state of flux. Beyond that, I don't think there are many "long term thoughtful posters" in general, anywhere. They're just a completely atypical type of poster, they're in demand literally everywhere. And I think it's interesting you assume that they're not interested in any political discussion either, or that they would be any different with regards to what forum they prefer from an average schmuck like you or I.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1106330But its no surprise political threads get the most posts as they are the most emotional.

Yes, exactly.

Quote from: TJS;1106350Generally, when compared to say RPGnet, a far greater majority of the threads here tend to be political.

It's not even close really.

This is the funniest thing I've read in ages, thanks for the laugh.

I confess I haven't seen Pundit's video (yet).

My opinion: murderhoboes need to be loved too !

A tad more articulate: whether's roleplaying games are for the telling of stories or tactical combat simulations, or anything in between, or something totally different altogether, it's undeniable that they have some dream-like qualities which evoke things buried in our personal and collective psyches.

And those things need to come to light, emerging from the cold bottomless ocean of our id, to live and splash around for a time, and to have some leeway, and it's a pretty jolly good way to give them life around a table with some friends and beverages. So, to those who want to constrict and restrict the formulation of my phantasies around said table, or my friends' phantasies, or make them behave, I say: nope ; not gonna happen. I will murder-hobo until the end of times, while mocking your puritan asses !

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1106393A tad more articulate: whether's roleplaying games are for the telling of stories or tactical combat simulations, or anything in between, or something totally different altogether, it's undeniable that they have some dream-like qualities which evoke things buried in our personal and collective psyches.

And those things need to come to light, emerging from the cold bottomless ocean of our id, to live and splash around for a time, and to have some leeway, and it's a pretty jolly good way to give them life around a table with some friends and beverages. So, to those who want to constrict and restrict the formulation of my phantasies around said table, or my friends' phantasies, or make them behave, I say: nope ; not gonna happen. I will murder-hobo until the end of times, while mocking your puritan asses !

Beautifully said, I love it!

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1106393[Whether] roleplaying games are for the telling of stories or tactical combat simulations, or anything in between, or something totally different altogether, it's undeniable that they have some dream-like qualities which evoke things buried in our personal and collective psyches.

And those things need to come to light, emerging from the cold bottomless ocean of our id, to live and splash around for a time, and to have some leeway, and it's a pretty jolly good way to give them life around a table with some friends and beverages. So, to those who want to constrict and restrict the formulation of my phantasies around said table, or my friends' phantasies, or make them behave, I say: nope ; not gonna happen. I will murder-hobo until the end of times, while mocking your puritan asses !

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Quote from: Antiquation!;1106397Beautifully said, I love it!

Thank you. I was feeling inspired ; or should I say: triggered !

My understanding of the term 'murderhobo' is that it comes from exactly the same kind of people who now claim to be offended by the term. Same as shitlord, mouthbreather, uncle Tom, and any number 'clever' euphemisms to disguise their sexist / racist / classist beliefs. That people are willing to wear these epithets, with pride, induces paroxysms in these clowns.

Regarding the play style, I think of this as a DM failing rather than a player one. After all, the players are merely playing the hand they are dealt. If players' characters can't be bothered to wash, or socialise, or feed, or look after themselves properly, it's the responsibility of the DM to play out the consequences of those choices.

Pundit's never been shy about talking politics and culture on his site. I do find it amusing that people complaining about it here are usually fine with SJW stuff in their RPG material.

What, WOTC can put gay gnomes in their adventures, but we can't talk about it without making the section "all political"? *rolleyes*

Quote from: rawma;1106311I'm not patient enough to look...

Then why should anyone be patient enough to listen to your ill-informed whine?

Quote from: Antiquation!;1106390And... so what? This has nothing to do with what I said whatsoever. Discussion lies where people find interest and passion in it. If people want to discuss gaming-only topics, there is no shortage of area to do it in. The board will not 'run out of room' if you post a gaming-only thread. If your thread dies or garners few replies, that is due to lack of interest (spoiler: same as any forum). The reason certain uninteresting or niche non-political gaming threads maintain more steam on places like TBP versus here is due to a difference in traffic, not in gaming interest.

If the majority of posts here discussed mathematics, this would be a mathematics site and not an RPG site. There's a decided shift at this site toward politics, and blaming SJWs or whatever sloganeering is common; you can go back and read threads from years ago to find out how it used to be. It got bad enough in this subforum for RPGPundit to decide to add the GENERAL WARNING sticky thread only recently. (Like cranebump, I think it was largely caused by RPGPundit exporting his politics (as videos) from his subforum to the general subforum.)

QuoteSo you openly admit to "not being patient enough to look through shorter threads," yet you're lamenting the political threads garnering the most discussion (plus apparently you are patient enough to read through that drivel...? Not sure if you're just going off thread title alone, if you actually read them there is actually some very interesting gaming-related discussion in there particularly the STR discussion and 5e thread) as well as merely guessing at the shorter specifically gaming-related ones also containing political commentary/debate? Uh. OK I guess.

I posted late at night and was too lazy to gather more statistics on short threads at that moment. I do read short threads if the topic looks interesting (or maybe if I can't figure out what it's about), and post if I have anything to add. As I said, I was actually surprised that the long threads weren't more political. I started to look at a few short threads (every 7th thread under 100 posts on the front page at that moment) and found a mix, but it's harder to judge whether one rant about SJWs makes a thread political - it's a significant percentage, but it's only one post. Like cranebump, I've seen it in my usual reading in the forum.

(Since you're so butthurt about it, I just went and looked now at a similar number of shorter threads; I judge 50/50 among the first 10, although I chose to skip the d20 butt plug post.)

Short threads aren't necessarily a bad thing; if someone asks a rules question about an uncommon game, gets a single authoritative answer and posts a thank you, then that's the right length for that, and if the title of the thread mentions the game, nobody uninterested in that game will visit it.

QuoteI'm not sure I understand the logic of +politics = - thoughtful posters at all. People discuss what they want to discuss. I hate the political discussion around TBP but I can still post a specifically gaming-related thread there and get apolitical replies (the main difference being, if I do post something political it will be entirely self-congratulatory one-sided replies from the peanut gallery and anyone else gets banned for any perceived dissent; it's merely an illusion of peaceful discussion). Note that the political threads there get VASTLY more replies as well. Huh. Actually same at enworld, bgg and all the other notable gaming forums as well.

If most discussion is political, you get people who are interested in reading about and discussing politics. Apparently Pundit doesn't want that at the level it's been or he wouldn't have posted the sticky and warnings in some of the threads.

Quote from: S'mon;1106334! Now I have to go look up what S'mon Said...

Quote from: S'mon;1102007Differences between SF and Fantasy are often more about the attitude of the characters. If it's an unknowable universe, and/or one where Belief Creates Reality*, then it's probably Fantasy. So Star Wars minus Midichlorians.

If the characters believe in a knowable universe, and the authors appear to back this up, then it's Science Fiction. So Star Trek, no matter how Soft SF it gets.

*So the Humanities departments of our great Universities live in a Fantasy world. Hopefully the Science departments don't all join them, but it's not looking good.

There you go.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1106382You and I clearly have two very, very different experiences of RPGNet. Any time I ever go there, I have a hard time finding a single solitary thread where there isn't some woke fucktard spewing their poison in one form or fashion.

Well...right now in their D20 forum the top thread is about "Zak has nothing to do with this book" which is political.  There's nothing clearly political about any other posts on that page, although other threads could verge into the political (same as here though)
In the tabletop open forum there's a thread about the Deadlands confederacy and something about pay in RPG industry.

Whereas on this site on the first page you have:

D&D SJWs Want to Ban 'Murderhobo'
Is "Get woke, Go Broke ?" a reality on the RPG scene ?
Chaosium's BRP Central, its echo chambers and how the company view me as a customer.
Deadlands is retconning the Confederacy so they lost the war and aren't playable.
A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system
Monte Cook Is an RPG Maoist
Strength should always matter in RPGs, and Males are stronger on average.
Another groundbreaking product: "Adventuring With Pride"!
Guide to RPGs: Safety Tools

As I said, not even close.

Christ, you fuckin' babies. Let me show you how to post about non-political stuff.

Quote from: TJS;1106448Well...right now in their D20 forum the top thread is about "Zak has nothing to do with this book" which is political.  There's nothing clearly political about any other posts on that page, although other threads could verge into the political (same as here though)
In the tabletop open forum there's a thread about the Deadlands confederacy and something about pay in RPG industry.

Whereas on this site on the first page you have:

D&D SJWs Want to Ban 'Murderhobo'
Is "Get woke, Go Broke ?" a reality on the RPG scene ?
Chaosium's BRP Central, its echo chambers and how the company view me as a customer.
Deadlands is retconning the Confederacy so they lost the war and aren't playable.
A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system
Monte Cook Is an RPG Maoist
Strength should always matter in RPGs, and Males are stronger on average.
Another groundbreaking product: "Adventuring With Pride"!
Guide to RPGs: Safety Tools

As I said, not even close.

The D20 Forum is nowhere near TBP's main forum, which I'm sure you fucking know well enough. If you compare apples to apples (ie TRO) it's actually quite close (all in the last day):

+ Deadlands is retconning the Confederacy so they lost the war. No longer playable faction
+ Monte Cook Games' "Consent In Gaming" hits shelves, poop hits fans.
+ Alternate Civil War ending setting idea (not the usual one, either)
+ Middle Eastern / Arab tradition inspired setting without exoticism & colonialism

Yes. RPGsite has more political threads on the front page. It's not the landslide you'd like people here to believe though. I don't know who you think you're fooling. I attribute the difference to the fact that this site has less traffic and therefore it takes significantly longer for threads started here to move off the front page.

If we add in the D20 forum, the count is closer still.

If we add in TBP's "Tagency Open" forum (which is extremely active despite not being the "main" forum), then TBP blows RPGsite away. In which case, yeah - it's not even close, but sheer volume heavily tips the scale to TBP.

Not just a river in Egypt.