The latest viral D&D-SJW tweet is about banning "murderhobo" as a term. So I'll be talking about that AND talking about the concept of "Murderhobos" and how good that style of play is (or isn't)!
[video=youtube_share;ZDLrYjMNatM]https://youtu.be/ZDLrYjMNatM [/youtube]
Someone needs to make a game Gonzo Murderhobos vs The World or something like that.
I allways despised he term anyhow as a derogitory fabrication by storygamers. So any move to kill it dead is ok with me.
That and Ameritrash, a racial slur to refer to non-euro board games. Its even been leveled at RPGs. That little bit of hate needs to die by execution.
so much for "There is no wrong way to play the game"
Waiting for the "Who cares? As long as the players are having fun..." cuck nonsense.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1106053Someone needs to make a game Gonzo Murderhobos vs The World or something like that.
DCC already exists :D
Tatiana Mcgrath might be the parody account you referred to.
This is one of those situations where being offended shows how you view a certain group. If the term "murderhobo" offends you, then what do you really think of actual homeless people that you think that term applies?
Quote from: Omega;1106056I allways despised he term anyhow as a derogitory fabrication by storygamers. So any move to kill it dead is ok with me.
That and Ameritrash, a racial slur to refer to non-euro board games. Its even been leveled at RPGs. That little bit of hate needs to die by execution.
Agree with one exception.
Any move by, from, or in support of SJWs, their allies, supporters, or apologists, should be shut down hard. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1106053Someone needs to make a game Gonzo Murderhobos vs The World or something like that.
Not exactly that, but close enough: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/97811/Homicidal-Transients
I remember playing that at a super small local con some of us put together for fun. The author had just gotten it published and wanted to run it, and we obliged him. My character was a hobo with a bludgeoning weapon that was nothing more than a piece of rebar embedded in concrete. He ran us through a thinly disguised Freeport, but oddly enough it played like a normal D&D session once all pretense went out the window. Maybe that was the whole point.
Quote from: Omega;1106056I allways despised he term anyhow as a derogitory fabrication by storygamers. So any move to kill it dead is ok with me.
That and Ameritrash, a racial slur to refer to non-euro board games. Its even been leveled at RPGs. That little bit of hate needs to die by execution.
They're both terms proudly embraced by the people who play those sorts of games. You've had this explained to you many times, and for some baffling reason refuse to believe it.
Only if we get to ban the word 'Community', and its derivations. ;)
But whatever,this is ridiculous people posturing for Nanny Harpy social media fame. It's worse than Andy Warhol's "15 minutes of Fame." It is more like "Every 15 minutes Witch Trials." :rolleyes: LARPing as Hipster Savanarola is so en flique. "No, I curate the best Vanities for the Bonfire, you heretic!"
I don't understand why this was considered worthy of receiving attention in a long-form video. SJWs say crazy things all the time in passing and most of the time nobody pays them any attention... except the obsessive anti-SJWs. There is manufactured controversy all over the place.
Remember when there were hundreds of obsessive anti-SJWs videos blasting SJWs for complaining about Doom being offensive? The original tweet was barely noticeable and didn't even criticize the game, but the obsessive anti-SJWs blew it out of proportion.
(There's a difference between anti-SJWs and obsessive anti-SJWs. Hence the "obsessive" qualifier.)
Quote from: Psikerlord;1106067DCC already exists :D
Quote from: Brad;1106077Not exactly that, but close enough: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/97811/Homicidal-Transients
I remember playing that at a super small local con some of us put together for fun. The author had just gotten it published and wanted to run it, and we obliged him. My character was a hobo with a bludgeoning weapon that was nothing more than a piece of rebar embedded in concrete. He ran us through a thinly disguised Freeport, but oddly enough it played like a normal D&D session once all pretense went out the window. Maybe that was the whole point.
Neither of which has Murderhobos in the title and you don't create a Murderhobo you create a PC. And the rules aren't rules designed to encourage said play style. It's about having their heads explode not about playing like that.
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https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/1459846-murder-hobo-life
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1106105Neither of which has Murderhobos in the title and you don't create a Murderhobo you create a PC. And the rules aren't rules designed to encourage said play style. It's about having their heads explode not about playing like that.
You might actually want to look at the rules I linked.
When these clowns want to ban a word, its time to use that word as much as possible.
I'm not even fan of the "murderhobo" play style. I'm good with "wandering heroes" or "wandering mercenary" campaigns, but I want the PCs to make sense and why they are wandering far and wide.
Quote from: Opaopajr;1106097this is ridiculous people posturing for Nanny Harpy social media fame.
Nanny Harpy!!!! OMG! Perfect.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1106102Remember when there were hundreds of obsessive anti-SJWs videos blasting SJWs for complaining about Doom being offensive?
I missed that one. What was the issue? No female demons?
Yeah, that lack of realism always bothered me too. Especially as the Mancubus (https://doomwiki.org/wiki/File:Codex_mancubus.bimage.png) was clearly based on Rosie O'Donnell.
Another game suggestion (not personal since I've never played it):
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/129865/MurderHobos
QuoteMurderHobos gets to the meat of dungeon crawling: killing things and taking their stuff.
Your character doesn't have Charisma or Wisdom. Your character has stats like Killing, Avoiding Being Killed, and Knowing Shit. The classes are things like Sneaky Bastard and Unhinged Priest. You roll a d20, add a few modifiers, and compare it to a target number.
But you will not be adventuring in an easy world where gold rains down on you from the heavens. No. Your weapons will break. Magical healing gets really weird, really fast. If you take more hits than your allowance, you die.
At least you heal up every day. Because you're a MurderHobo.
MurderHobos is a simple OSR game that hews closely to d20 mechanics. The stats are silly, but they do make a playable game.
Yet another post that isn't about gaming. It might be interesting to wade through the irony of people bitching and whining about how politics has gotten into their gaming, even as they push their own politics almost every fucking time they post. Pundit literally can't check his outrage. And the jack-booted echo chamber is incapable of criticizing their own ranks (like many a gutless politician these days). Whining tits, every one.
I keep leaving, coming back, leaving, coming back, because there are often some good conversations here that are actually about gaming. But, especially of late, the place has devolved like the media, where the fringe crackpots are the loudest voices. The rpgsite isn't about rpgs. It's basically become another shithole, a place where too many cannot extricate themselves from their politics and simply be human beings, discussing a shared interest (and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest? Or is that just too much to stomach?). Fuck, who am I kidding -- this has been a simmering shithole from the beginning hasn't it?
Fuck it. This just isn't worth the time. You wanna waste all that energy whipping yourselves into sound and fury signifying nothing, you go right ahead. I'm gonna find some folks who want to actually discuss gaming, rather than their unending hatred of all things not perfectly in step with themselves. Life's too short, man. Some of you are way too busy wasting it by making your own hells. Hope that works out for ya. I've got better things to do than read the same, tired bullshit. Goodbye.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Goodbye.
Well ... bye.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Yet another post that isn't about gaming. It might be interesting to wade through the irony of people bitching and whining about how politics has gotten into their gaming, even as they push their own politics almost every fucking time they post. Pundit literally can't check his outrage. And the jack-booted echo chamber is incapable of criticizing their own ranks (like many a gutless politician these days). Whining tits, every one.
I keep leaving, coming back, leaving, coming back, because there are often some good conversations here that are actually about gaming. But, especially of late, the place has devolved like the media, where the fringe crackpots are the loudest voices. The rpgsite isn't about rpgs. It's basically become another shithole, a place where too many cannot extricate themselves from their politics and simply be human beings, discussing a shared interest (and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest? Or is that just too much to stomach?). Fuck, who am I kidding -- this has been a simmering shithole from the beginning hasn't it?
Fuck it. This just isn't worth the time. You wanna waste all that energy whipping yourselves into sound and fury signifying nothing, you go right ahead. I'm gonna find some folks who want to actually discuss gaming, rather than their unending hatred of all things not perfectly in step with themselves. Life's too short, man. Some of you are way too busy wasting it by making your own hells. Hope that works out for ya. I've got better things to do than read the same, tired bullshit. Goodbye.
See you when you cool off! :D
I prefer Legally Challenged Temporarily Displaced Individual.
Quote from: Brad;1106108You might actually want to look at the rules I linked.
I did and I stand corrected, thanks!
Quote from: jhkim;1106153Another game suggestion (not personal since I've never played it):
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/129865/MurderHobos
Thanks but 5 dollars for 6 pages!? :eek: BFRPG charges 4.50 for the softcover! (http://www.lulu.com/shop/http://www.lulu.com/shop/chris-gonnerman/basic-fantasy-rpg-core-rules-3e-perfect-bound/paperback/product-22785573.html)
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Yet another post that isn't about gaming. It might be interesting to wade through the irony of people bitching and whining about how politics has gotten into their gaming, even as they push their own politics almost every fucking time they post. Pundit literally can't check his outrage. And the jack-booted echo chamber is incapable of criticizing their own ranks (like many a gutless politician these days). Whining tits, every one.
Love you too!
Quote from: cranebump;1106154I keep leaving, coming back, leaving, coming back, because there are often some good conversations here that are actually about gaming. But, especially of late, the place has devolved like the media, where the fringe crackpots are the loudest voices. The rpgsite isn't about rpgs. It's basically become another shithole, a place where too many cannot extricate themselves from their politics and simply be human beings, discussing a shared interest (and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest? Or is that just too much to stomach?). Fuck, who am I kidding -- this has been a simmering shithole from the beginning hasn't it?
Emphasis mine.
I resent that I don't want to control how others play or failing that to destroy their hobby.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Snip Goodbye.
See you soon!
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Fuck it. This just isn't worth the time. You wanna waste all that energy whipping yourselves into sound and fury signifying nothing, you go right ahead. I'm gonna find some folks who want to actually discuss gaming, rather than their unending hatred of all things not perfectly in step with themselves. Life's too short, man. Some of you are way too busy wasting it by making your own hells. Hope that works out for ya. I've got better things to do than read the same, tired bullshit. Goodbye.
Hey, you do you. Good luck in finding your oasis.
cranebump could be right, there does seem to be an excess amount of pearl clutching.
Who cares if people use the term murderhobo or not, the players that go around murderhoboing wont give a crap either way.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Yet another post that isn't about gaming.
It's commentary about the hobby; pretty sure that counts.
Nice rant, but it's obvious your main gripe isn't that the RPGSite has non-gaming threads, but that people you disagree with aren't silenced. Have fun at rpg.net!
EDIT: The best part is there are several links to games in this thread, and a legitimate discussion of sorts. You can't handle Mos Eisley, that's fine, but don't insist those of us who like the chaos are somehow less sophisticated than a true gent such as yourself.
Nyooooo! No "goodbye cruel world!", cranebump! :( Think of the children! :) The children need you!
... I dunno where that was going but wherever it went, there we now are. :) And that's worth remembering.
Although I think cranebump's articulation could have used some work, it hits on an important point. This forum (like every other) has a tendency to make mountains out of molehills, to paint politics with a ridiculously broad brush, and to hypocritically criticize similar behavior in the outrage target of the week.
Quote from: Brad;1106216Nice rant, but it's obvious your main gripe isn't that the RPGSite has non-gaming threads, but that people you disagree with aren't silenced.
Got it in one. It must be stressful having to give up the ability to accuse people of some 'ism and thus automatically get your way. Come on, Brad, can't you empathize with the turmoil! :)
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1106228Although I think cranebump's articulation could have used some work, it hits on an important point. This forum (like every other) has a tendency to make mountains out of molehills, to paint politics with a ridiculously broad brush, and to hypocritically criticize similar behavior in the outrage target of the week.
Here's another Captain Obvious observation for ya.
Everyone thinks their molehill is a mountain, and that everyone else's mountains are molehills.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Yet another post that isn't about gaming. It might be interesting to wade through the irony of people bitching and whining about how politics has gotten into their gaming, even as they push their own politics almost every fucking time they post. Pundit literally can't check his outrage. And the jack-booted echo chamber is incapable of criticizing their own ranks (like many a gutless politician these days). Whining tits, every one.
I keep leaving, coming back, leaving, coming back, because there are often some good conversations here that are actually about gaming. But, especially of late, the place has devolved like the media, where the fringe crackpots are the loudest voices. The rpgsite isn't about rpgs. It's basically become another shithole, a place where too many cannot extricate themselves from their politics and simply be human beings, discussing a shared interest (and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest? Or is that just too much to stomach?). Fuck, who am I kidding -- this has been a simmering shithole from the beginning hasn't it?
Fuck it. This just isn't worth the time. You wanna waste all that energy whipping yourselves into sound and fury signifying nothing, you go right ahead. I'm gonna find some folks who want to actually discuss gaming, rather than their unending hatred of all things not perfectly in step with themselves. Life's too short, man. Some of you are way too busy wasting it by making your own hells. Hope that works out for ya. I've got better things to do than read the same, tired bullshit. Goodbye.
Bye Felipe.
Why is it so hard for people to just ignore a topic they don't like? Beats me.
I admit, I'm a little confused about the complaints (in this thread and others, notably the Confederacy one). Where exactly does it state this is a gaming-only, politics-free RPG forum?
In fact, the rule is "do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming." So, politics are explicitly allowed and are even stated to be so on the billboard as you walk in. The stipulation is that it can't be solely politically oriented and must be related to gaming in some way, a standard which these thread topics themselves have conformed to (some of them tenuously, to be fair). I think it should also be emphasized that Pundit can make videos containing whatever kind of content he wants, and that will color the following discussion on the forum. This should be obvious. Pundit is hardly apolitical in his opinions.
Now granted, I think Pundit as well of the rest of us do have a tendency to digress at times. Pundit is pretty good about keeping it under wraps when a thread gets out of control. I do think many of us could be better about keeping a tighter leash on ourselves with regards to our posting habits, but to wring your hands over political talk rearing its head in... er, pretty much any public forum is to me the same as begging to be locked in a closet complete with blindfold and ear plugs. Can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen, etc. Not everything is political, but politics follow people wherever they go.
Which to be fair, cranebump has gotten out of (this) kitchen. Which kitchen he'll end up in (if any) is anyone's guess; most kitchens, in my experience, tend to have oven hoods.
And, fellas, if you want more gaming-oriented talk? Make an explicitly gaming-related thread. It's easy. If you don't want it to get political, then you know... don't make it a politically-relevant topic. Talk about Kaiju. Or how to make your NPCs more memorable. Or your favorite game supplement. Or the reliability of crossbows v. breastplate. Or how Onyx Path has run out of ideas. Or your gaming minis. Or genre spectrums. Or your favorite starter set. Oh wait, these are all actually just a sampling of threads off the first page alone...
And if you do post a topic that's even remotely politically charged, don't be shocked when conversation inevitably expands to include politics. Same thing literally anywhere else, except here one can actually tell everyone their stupid opinions that nobody agrees with without getting banned.
tl;dr lol, just, like, walk away from the screen dude lmao
Just another attempt at controlling language. It's happened before with the whole "Stop calling it the Matt Mercer effect!" thing. It shocks me how they look at something like the RPG hobby with absolute freedom and decide they still need to try and control everything about it.
Not sure I understand the complaint. This is a clearly politically-themed thread, like a lot of them are. Political controversies are easy fodder for content creators like the Pundit. (Or the the SJWs.) The thread is obviously political, just going by the title. Obviously political threads are easy to avoid. Or is cranebump saying that it's too much work to navigate to this forum and check new threads for non-political content, be disappointed and navigate elsewhere instead?
tl;dr I blame content creators for the ills of this world. :D
Greetings!
I don't know what Cranedump is so angry and triggered about. There are many threads here talking about RPG's and gaming. If you step into a thread that is political, it isn't difficult to move on to another thread that isn't political. I think he is triggered because members that are not SJW's haven't been brow-beaten and muzzled to his liking. That's ok, though. BIG PURPLE is waiting for more SJW's with open arms!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1106228Although I think cranebump's articulation could have used some work, it hits on an important point. This forum (like every other) has a tendency to make mountains out of molehills, to paint politics with a ridiculously broad brush, and to hypocritically criticize similar behavior in the outrage target of the week.
That describes literally every internet forum to have ever existed. Full stop. If anyone thinks the RPGSite is bad, I'd have loved to have seen you reading Slashdot back in its own heyday.
Back on topic - I actually like the term muderhobo. I think it's fucking hilarious, and aptly describes a number of the games I've played in. So whoever said people engaged in murderhoboing will just not give any fucks and keep on doing it - yeah. Totally.
The first known uses of "murderhobo", at least according to geeknative.com, were over at rpg.net's forums. Since that's now the repository of all things good and wholesome, should we assume this must be okay?
https://www.geeknative.com/64349/what-are-murder-hobos-and-where-did-the-phrase-come-from/
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Yet another post that isn't about gaming.
It's yet another post about how political / culture war nonsense is infiltrating the hobby. It's unfortunate that has become a huge issue in the hobby because the RPG hobby is at its absolute best with zero politics of any stripe.
How do you propose we end politics being shoved into gaming?
And simply obeying the Twitterati isn't an option. Nor is pretending that everything is gonna be okay if we just stay quiet.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154And the jack-booted echo chamber is incapable of criticizing their own ranks
You are 100% welcome to criticize anyone here. Any thread you feel is an echo chamber, please feel free to post your opinions or dissent.
Hey lurkers! That goes double for you! Get in here and make your thoughts known.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154(and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest?
I game with self-professed SJWs and we have LOTS of common interests which is why we STFU about politics during game time and just focus on playing the game and having a good time.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Fuck it.
In da butt!
Quote from: cranebump;1106154Goodbye.
Translation: "see you soon"
Quote from: Antiquation!;1106244And, fellas, if you want more gaming-oriented talk? Make an explicitly gaming-related thread. It's easy. If you don't want it to get political, then you know... don't make it a politically-relevant topic. Talk about Kaiju. Or how to make your NPCs more memorable. Or your favorite game supplement. Or the reliability of crossbows v. breastplate. Or how Onyx Path has run out of ideas. Or your gaming minis. Or genre spectrums. Or your favorite starter set. Oh wait, these are all actually just a sampling of threads off the first page alone...
Looking at the threads on the front page that have over a hundred replies:
the "Get Woke, Go Broke" thread
the Deadlands thread - I dipped in, and yes, it's as political as I expected
"A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system" - "Consent in Gaming", as political as you would expect
Monty Cook is a Maoist
Lejendary Adventures Q&A - not political, but also started over a year ago
Science Fiction vs Science Fantasy - surprisingly, not political except for S'mon taking a swipe at Humanities departments
Why does 5e suck at the exploration pillar - actually non political
The males should be stronger thread
The gnome kings thread
In fairness, I expected fewer than 2 (or 3, if you count such the slow growing Q&A thread) to be non-political. Probably the sticky post about OFF TOPIC political posts makes the point better; this forum didn't need that for the almost 5 years I've been here, until a month ago. I'm not patient enough to look through shorter threads, which do get the "it's all because of SJWs/intersectionality/whatever" posts out of left field, but it is the political threads that attract discussion; in the long run that's going to hurt the site, because you'll be replacing long term thoughtful posters with people who apparently couldn't avoid being banned by somewhere else for a whole month.
Rawma, start a gaming only topic thread, explain how you want it to be non-political in your OP and tell anyone who gets political in your thread to STFU.
There's nothing stopping the OP from chastising posters who divert from the gaming topic. Some may not listen, but I think most members here would respect the OP's demand for that particular thread and if your gaming-only thread does divert into politics, tell the posters to start their own damn thread.
But its no surprise political threads get the most posts as they are the most emotional.
Quote from: rawma;1106311Science Fiction vs Science Fantasy - surprisingly, not political except for S'mon taking a swipe at Humanities departments
! Now I have to go look up what S'mon Said...
Generally, when compared to say RPGnet, a far greater majority of the threads here tend to be political.
It's not even close really.
Whether that's a good thing or not I'll leave to others to decide - but I would note that the more politics there is, the more people who just want to talk about games go elsewhere, and the more people who are really just here to engage in the culture war appear out the woodwork.
Of course I've largely given up thinking of this site as a useful place to discuss gaming. I just mostly come here for the same the reason I still go to rpgnet - to rubberneck at the culture war and all the latest outrages.
I do hope anyone challenged on their use of the term "murderhobo" gives any SJW the appropriate response. That being to tell them they will not have their language policed, and the challenger is welcome to go fuck themselves.
Quote from: TJS;1106350Generally, when compared to say RPGnet, a far greater majority of the threads here tend to be political.
It's not even close really.
You and I clearly have two very,
very different experiences of RPGNet. Any time I ever go there, I have a hard time finding a single solitary thread where there
isn't some woke fucktard spewing their poison in one form or fashion.
Quote from: rawma;1106311Looking at the threads on the front page that have over a hundred replies:
And... so what? This has nothing to do with what I said whatsoever. Discussion lies where people find interest and passion in it. If people want to discuss gaming-only topics, there is no shortage of area to do it in. The board will not 'run out of room' if you post a gaming-only thread. If your thread dies or garners few replies, that is due to lack of interest (spoiler: same as any forum). The reason certain uninteresting or niche non-political gaming threads maintain more steam on places like TBP versus here is due to a difference in traffic, not in gaming interest.
Quote from: rawma;1106311I'm not patient enough to look through shorter threads, which do get the "it's all because of SJWs/intersectionality/whatever" posts out of left field, but it is the political threads that attract discussion; in the long run that's going to hurt the site, because you'll be replacing long term thoughtful posters with people who apparently couldn't avoid being banned by somewhere else for a whole month.
So you openly admit to "not being patient enough to look through shorter threads," yet you're lamenting the political threads garnering the most discussion (plus apparently you are patient enough to read through that drivel...? Not sure if you're just going off thread title alone, if you actually read them there is actually some very interesting gaming-related discussion in there particularly the STR discussion and 5e thread) as well as merely guessing at the shorter specifically gaming-related ones also containing political commentary/debate? Uh. OK I guess.
I'm not sure I understand the logic of +politics = - thoughtful posters at all. People discuss what they want to discuss. I hate the political discussion around TBP but I can still post a specifically gaming-related thread there and get apolitical replies (the main difference being, if I do post something political it will be entirely self-congratulatory one-sided replies from the peanut gallery and anyone else gets banned for any perceived dissent; it's merely an illusion of peaceful discussion). Note that the political threads there get VASTLY more replies as well. Huh. Actually same at enworld, bgg and all the other notable gaming forums as well.
If you re-read my reply, you'll note I said practically every public forum and especially gaming forums invite political discussion in one way or another. So, does that mean "long term thoughtful posters" are being replaced in every one of those forums? If not, why is this one any different? I believe if you think about it logically, you'll find that posters go to where they feel most at home. Which means there's cross traffic. What drives one person away attracts others, and traffic is in a consistent state of flux. Beyond that, I don't think there are many "long term thoughtful posters" in general, anywhere. They're just a completely atypical type of poster, they're in demand literally everywhere. And I think it's interesting you assume that they're not interested in any political discussion either, or that they would be any different with regards to what forum they prefer from an average schmuck like you or I.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1106330But its no surprise political threads get the most posts as they are the most emotional.
Yes, exactly.
Quote from: TJS;1106350Generally, when compared to say RPGnet, a far greater majority of the threads here tend to be political.
It's not even close really.
:p This is the funniest thing I've read in ages, thanks for the laugh.
I confess I haven't seen Pundit's video (yet).
My opinion: murderhoboes need to be loved too !
A tad more articulate: whether's roleplaying games are for the telling of stories or tactical combat simulations, or anything in between, or something totally different altogether, it's undeniable that they have some dream-like qualities which evoke things buried in our personal and collective psyches.
And those things need to come to light, emerging from the cold bottomless ocean of our id, to live and splash around for a time, and to have some leeway, and it's a pretty jolly good way to give them life around a table with some friends and beverages. So, to those who want to constrict and restrict the formulation of my phantasies around said table, or my friends' phantasies, or make them behave, I say: nope ; not gonna happen. I will murder-hobo until the end of times, while mocking your puritan asses !
Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1106393A tad more articulate: whether's roleplaying games are for the telling of stories or tactical combat simulations, or anything in between, or something totally different altogether, it's undeniable that they have some dream-like qualities which evoke things buried in our personal and collective psyches.
And those things need to come to light, emerging from the cold bottomless ocean of our id, to live and splash around for a time, and to have some leeway, and it's a pretty jolly good way to give them life around a table with some friends and beverages. So, to those who want to constrict and restrict the formulation of my phantasies around said table, or my friends' phantasies, or make them behave, I say: nope ; not gonna happen. I will murder-hobo until the end of times, while mocking your puritan asses !
Beautifully said, I love it!
Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1106393[Whether] roleplaying games are for the telling of stories or tactical combat simulations, or anything in between, or something totally different altogether, it's undeniable that they have some dream-like qualities which evoke things buried in our personal and collective psyches.
And those things need to come to light, emerging from the cold bottomless ocean of our id, to live and splash around for a time, and to have some leeway, and it's a pretty jolly good way to give them life around a table with some friends and beverages. So, to those who want to constrict and restrict the formulation of my phantasies around said table, or my friends' phantasies, or make them behave, I say: nope ; not gonna happen. I will murder-hobo until the end of times, while mocking your puritan asses !
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Quote from: Antiquation!;1106397Beautifully said, I love it!
Thank you. I was feeling inspired ; or should I say: triggered :D !
My understanding of the term 'murderhobo' is that it comes from exactly the same kind of people who now claim to be offended by the term. Same as shitlord, mouthbreather, uncle Tom, and any number 'clever' euphemisms to disguise their sexist / racist / classist beliefs. That people are willing to wear these epithets, with pride, induces paroxysms in these clowns.
Regarding the play style, I think of this as a DM failing rather than a player one. After all, the players are merely playing the hand they are dealt. If players' characters can't be bothered to wash, or socialise, or feed, or look after themselves properly, it's the responsibility of the DM to play out the consequences of those choices.
Pundit's never been shy about talking politics and culture on his site. I do find it amusing that people complaining about it here are usually fine with SJW stuff in their RPG material.
What, WOTC can put gay gnomes in their adventures, but we can't talk about it without making the section "all political"? *rolleyes*
Quote from: rawma;1106311I'm not patient enough to look...
Then why should anyone be patient enough to listen to your ill-informed whine?
Quote from: Antiquation!;1106390And... so what? This has nothing to do with what I said whatsoever. Discussion lies where people find interest and passion in it. If people want to discuss gaming-only topics, there is no shortage of area to do it in. The board will not 'run out of room' if you post a gaming-only thread. If your thread dies or garners few replies, that is due to lack of interest (spoiler: same as any forum). The reason certain uninteresting or niche non-political gaming threads maintain more steam on places like TBP versus here is due to a difference in traffic, not in gaming interest.
If the majority of posts here discussed mathematics, this would be a mathematics site and not an RPG site. There's a decided shift at this site toward politics, and blaming SJWs or whatever sloganeering is common; you can go back and read threads from years ago to find out how it used to be. It got bad enough in this subforum for RPGPundit to decide to add the GENERAL WARNING sticky thread only recently. (Like cranebump, I think it was largely caused by RPGPundit exporting his politics (as videos) from his subforum to the general subforum.)
QuoteSo you openly admit to "not being patient enough to look through shorter threads," yet you're lamenting the political threads garnering the most discussion (plus apparently you are patient enough to read through that drivel...? Not sure if you're just going off thread title alone, if you actually read them there is actually some very interesting gaming-related discussion in there particularly the STR discussion and 5e thread) as well as merely guessing at the shorter specifically gaming-related ones also containing political commentary/debate? Uh. OK I guess.
I posted late at night and was too lazy to gather more statistics on short threads
at that moment. I do read short threads if the topic looks interesting (or maybe if I can't figure out what it's about), and post if I have anything to add. As I said, I was actually surprised that the long threads weren't more political. I started to look at a few short threads (every 7th thread under 100 posts on the front page at that moment) and found a mix, but it's harder to judge whether one rant about SJWs makes a thread political - it's a significant percentage, but it's only one post. Like cranebump, I've seen it in my usual reading in the forum.
(Since you're so butthurt about it, I just went and looked now at a similar number of shorter threads; I judge 50/50 among the first 10, although I chose to skip the d20 butt plug post.)
Short threads aren't necessarily a bad thing; if someone asks a rules question about an uncommon game, gets a single authoritative answer and posts a thank you, then that's the right length for that, and if the title of the thread mentions the game, nobody uninterested in that game will visit it.
QuoteI'm not sure I understand the logic of +politics = - thoughtful posters at all. People discuss what they want to discuss. I hate the political discussion around TBP but I can still post a specifically gaming-related thread there and get apolitical replies (the main difference being, if I do post something political it will be entirely self-congratulatory one-sided replies from the peanut gallery and anyone else gets banned for any perceived dissent; it's merely an illusion of peaceful discussion). Note that the political threads there get VASTLY more replies as well. Huh. Actually same at enworld, bgg and all the other notable gaming forums as well.
If most discussion is political, you get people who are interested in reading about and discussing politics. Apparently Pundit doesn't want that at the level it's been or he wouldn't have posted the sticky and warnings in some of the threads.
Quote from: S'mon;1106334! Now I have to go look up what S'mon Said...
Quote from: S'mon;1102007Differences between SF and Fantasy are often more about the attitude of the characters. If it's an unknowable universe, and/or one where Belief Creates Reality*, then it's probably Fantasy. So Star Wars minus Midichlorians.
If the characters believe in a knowable universe, and the authors appear to back this up, then it's Science Fiction. So Star Trek, no matter how Soft SF it gets.
*So the Humanities departments of our great Universities live in a Fantasy world. :D Hopefully the Science departments don't all join them, but it's not looking good. :(
There you go.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1106382You and I clearly have two very, very different experiences of RPGNet. Any time I ever go there, I have a hard time finding a single solitary thread where there isn't some woke fucktard spewing their poison in one form or fashion.
Well...right now in their D20 forum the top thread is about "Zak has nothing to do with this book" which is political. There's nothing clearly political about any other posts on that page, although other threads could verge into the political (same as here though)
In the tabletop open forum there's a thread about the Deadlands confederacy and something about pay in RPG industry.
Whereas on this site on the first page you have:
D&D SJWs Want to Ban 'Murderhobo'
Is "Get woke, Go Broke ?" a reality on the RPG scene ?
Chaosium's BRP Central, its echo chambers and how the company view me as a customer.
Deadlands is retconning the Confederacy so they lost the war and aren't playable.
A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system
Monte Cook Is an RPG Maoist
Strength should always matter in RPGs, and Males are stronger on average.
Another groundbreaking product: "Adventuring With Pride"!
Guide to RPGs: Safety Tools
As I said, not even close.
Christ, you fuckin' babies. Let me show you how to post about non-political stuff.
Quote from: TJS;1106448Well...right now in their D20 forum the top thread is about "Zak has nothing to do with this book" which is political. There's nothing clearly political about any other posts on that page, although other threads could verge into the political (same as here though)
In the tabletop open forum there's a thread about the Deadlands confederacy and something about pay in RPG industry.
Whereas on this site on the first page you have:
D&D SJWs Want to Ban 'Murderhobo'
Is "Get woke, Go Broke ?" a reality on the RPG scene ?
Chaosium's BRP Central, its echo chambers and how the company view me as a customer.
Deadlands is retconning the Confederacy so they lost the war and aren't playable.
A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system
Monte Cook Is an RPG Maoist
Strength should always matter in RPGs, and Males are stronger on average.
Another groundbreaking product: "Adventuring With Pride"!
Guide to RPGs: Safety Tools
As I said, not even close.
The D20 Forum is nowhere near TBP's main forum, which I'm sure you fucking know well enough. If you compare apples to apples (ie TRO) it's actually quite close (all in the last day):
+ Deadlands is retconning the Confederacy so they lost the war. No longer playable faction
+ Monte Cook Games' "Consent In Gaming" hits shelves, poop hits fans.
+ Alternate Civil War ending setting idea (not the usual one, either)
+ Middle Eastern / Arab tradition inspired setting without exoticism & colonialism
Yes. RPGsite has more political threads on the front page. It's not the landslide you'd like people here to believe though. I don't know who you think you're fooling. I attribute the difference to the fact that this site has less traffic and therefore it takes significantly longer for threads started here to move off the front page.
If we add in the D20 forum, the count is closer still.
If we add in TBP's "Tagency Open" forum (which is
extremely active despite not being the "main" forum), then TBP blows RPGsite away. In which case, yeah - it's not even close, but sheer volume heavily tips the scale to TBP.
Not just a river in Egypt.
Perhaps murdermigrants would be a more acceptable term?
If you want more non-political thread topics...create some non-political thread topics!
Hey lurkers! Yeah you! Pop in an start some non-political threads!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1106472If you want more non-political thread topics...create some non-political thread topics!
Hey lurkers! Yeah you! Pop in an start some non-political threads!
I wasn't saying that there should be less political threads. I was just pointing out that this forum, very much at the instigation of its owner and his own penchant for self-promotion, has largely become political, and it seems he likes it that way.
It is what it is. Rather than try vainly to make this forum less political it seems easier to go elsewhere to actually discuss gaming.
As far as I'm concerned this forum is basically a place to come to see what the anti-SJW crowd in the great culture war TM have become worked up about this week.
If the forum was different I would interact with it differently, but so long as it is what it is...
I'm unclear how the RPG hobby becoming politicized by self-described SJWs is RPGPundit's fault. He's not calling them SJWs out of thin air. WotC, Paizo, Green Ronin, Monte Cook, etc are loud and proud about who they are and their agenda for the hobby.
Is the problem that RPGPundit wants to talk about and push back against it?
I completely understand the SJW's takeover of our hobby pleases liberals because it fulfills their cultural agenda, and I equally understand the "too cool for school" kids who want to pretend "cultural agendas" don't exist and the Mushy Middle who just want everybody to play nice and think they can hide until all the angry people go away.
It's easy to "make this forum less political". Just start your own threads on non-political topics. Not rocket science. If more people post more non-political thread topics, the ratio of political vs. non-political will shift.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1106497I'm unclear how the RPG hobby becoming politicized by self-described SJWs is RPGPundit's fault. He's not calling them SJWs out of thin air. WotC, Paizo, Green Ronin, Monte Cook, etc are loud and proud about who they are and their agenda for the hobby.
Is the problem that RPGPundit wants to talk about and push back against it?
I completely understand the SJW's takeover of our hobby pleases liberals because it fulfills their cultural agenda, and I equally understand the "too cool for school" kids who want to pretend "cultural agendas" don't exist and the Mushy Middle who just want everybody to play nice and think they can hide until all the angry people go away.
It's easy to "make this forum less political". Just start your own threads on non-political topics. Not rocket science. If more people post more non-political thread topics, the ratio of political vs. non-political will shift.
I wasn't saying that there should be less political threads. I was just pointing out that this forum, very much at the instigation of its owner and his own penchant for self-promotion, has largely become political, and it seems he likes it that way.
It is what it is. Rather than try vainly to make this forum less political it seems easier to go elsewhere to actually discuss gaming.
As far as I'm concerned this forum is basically a place to come to see what the anti-SJW crowd in the great culture war TM have become worked up about this week.
If the forum was different I would interact with it differently, but so long as it is what it is...
(I'm not really sure how to respond to your post other than repeatingwhat I've already said.)
Quote from: Spinachcat;1106497the RPG hobby becoming politicized by self-described SJWs
Quotethe SJW's takeover of our hobby
Not actually a thing. The problem is that this is too much of what gets talked about here when it's not actually a thing.
Quote from: Jason Coplen;1106071Tatiana Mcgrath might be the parody account you referred to.
That was the one! She's good but not as good as Godfrey Elfwick was.
Really? How is it "not actually a thing"?
Why make believe its not happening when you could cheer for your side's success? Tranny elves! Non binary dwarves! Gay gnome kings! No support of the POTUS allowed on the most popular RPG forum! Consent in Gaming! Social media witch hunts against wrong thinkers in the hobby! Mike Mearls telling dissenters to leave D&D! You have a king's ransom of culture war victories in your corner, yet its "not actually a thing"?
It's like making believe the MSM, academia or social media companies aren't co-opted to the SJW cause.
Quote from: cranebump;1106154(and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest? Or is that just too much to stomach?).
We don't. They hate the entire RPG hobby as it exists, they want to radically change it (that's why so many of them were/are Storygamers), and part of that radical change is to remove people like me (ideally, if they had the power, straight to a gulag or a killing field for not thinking like them), but (after they've removed me), to also ultimately remove EVERYONE who currently likes the hobby unless those people will submit to them and their dictates.
And they utterly DESPISE D&D. They always have. The ones who were around and are not just entryists were the same people who sneeringly declared that D&D was just a game for the "great unwashed" (to quote a famous nWoD book). The same who said "D&D is just roll-playing, not role-playing". They were always in utter contempt of the game regular people loved, because they knew those regular people didn't love them.
They despise D&D so much that they supported 4e. That takes a soul full of communist bile and utter contempt for everything that's good in the world.
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1106240Bye Felipe.
Why is it so hard for people to just ignore a topic they don't like? Beats me.
"This forum is being OVERRUN with political threads!"
*clicks on RPGs Discussion subforum*
*70% of all threads are about straight rpg stuff with no culture war stuff on them*
Quote from: rawma;1106311Looking at the threads on the front page that have over a hundred replies:
the "Get Woke, Go Broke" thread
the Deadlands thread - I dipped in, and yes, it's as political as I expected
"A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system" - "Consent in Gaming", as political as you would expect
Monty Cook is a Maoist
Lejendary Adventures Q&A - not political, but also started over a year ago
Science Fiction vs Science Fantasy - surprisingly, not political except for S'mon taking a swipe at Humanities departments
Why does 5e suck at the exploration pillar - actually non political
The males should be stronger thread
The gnome kings thread
In fairness, I expected fewer than 2 (or 3, if you count such the slow growing Q&A thread) to be non-political. Probably the sticky post about OFF TOPIC political posts makes the point better; this forum didn't need that for the almost 5 years I've been here, until a month ago. I'm not patient enough to look through shorter threads, which do get the "it's all because of SJWs/intersectionality/whatever" posts out of left field, but it is the political threads that attract discussion; in the long run that's going to hurt the site, because you'll be replacing long term thoughtful posters with people who apparently couldn't avoid being banned by somewhere else for a whole month.
If you look at ALL the threads, not just those with more than 100 posts, on the first page (excepting the stickies), then 70% of these are non-political.
Obviously, political threads being more controversial, they're likely to generate more posts than a thread about "which Star Wars RPG had the best rules for Blasters". But in terms of material being produced here (ie. NEW THREADS), the non political threads are still more than two thirds of the RPG forum.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1106330Rawma, start a gaming only topic thread, explain how you want it to be non-political in your OP and tell anyone who gets political in your thread to STFU.
Yup, that would be allowed, and enforced. If you are the person who starts a thread and asks that it NOT be about politics in the hobby, then someone trying to make it about that would be going off topic.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1106556They despise D&D so much that they supported 4e. That takes a soul full of communist bile and utter contempt for everything that's good in the world.
OK, that was hilarious! :D D&D 4e as a new benchmark low is a riot. :p /flits about my AD&D 2e princess' & unicorns' secret garden
I think there's actually a lot of culture war content on TBP. What there isn't, is any discourse. All potential dissenters have long since been removed or have the sense to censor themselves. Any dissenting view there is more likely a misreading than a genuine disagreement.
Quote from: TJS;1106464Not just a river in Egypt.
Says the ass clown that went cherry picking on TBP's least populous forum to prove his point. Yeah. Ok. We're done.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1106588Says the ass clown that went cherry picking on TBP's least populous forum to prove his point. Yeah. Ok. We're done.
I know it's a radical concept around here...but you could try reading the actual post you originally replied to before launching into a range of juvenile tough guy obscenitiies.
Quote from: TJS;1106448Well...right now in their D20 forum the top thread is about "Zak has nothing to do with this book" which is political. There's nothing clearly political about any other posts on that page, although other threads could verge into the political (same as here though)
In the tabletop open forum there's a thread about the Deadlands confederacy and something about pay in RPG industry.
...
There I am - explicitly refering to the forum you've twice now said I didn't refer to.
Honestly. Is it too much to ask people to read as far as the second sentence? (Or act like a complete raging asshole at the same time)
Now let's see. Are you enough of a big tough interent to admit you were wrong?
As for the rest. I may have missed one or two political threads on the main forum. It's easy to do. But I also missed at least one here so...
The point still stands. That there is proportionally more political talk here - at least more than twice as much even if we add the two extra threads you mentioned.. No I didn't mention mention Tangency - but then I also didn't mention the Pundit's forum. I would think the reason for that should be obvious if you stop think about it.
You also seem to suggest that Rpgnet would have a higher proportion of political threads if only they weren't being chased off the main page by gaming threads...well...yes?
Now whether that's a good thing or a bad thing or a problem or whatever, I'm happy to leave for other people to decide.
But it
is a thing.
So if you wanted a real reply there it is, Don't expect another one unless you can muster a decent level of civility.
Quote from: mightybrain;1106587I think there's actually a lot of culture war content on TBP. What there isn't, is any discourse. All potential dissenters have long since been removed or have the sense to censor themselves. Any dissenting view there is more likely a misreading than a genuine disagreement.
There isn't any discourse. There are dissenting views however - because they do keep banning people.
It seems to be like whackamole over there.
Quote from: TJS;1106592I know it's a radical concept around here...but you could try reading the actual post you originally replied to before launching into a range of juvenile tough guy obscenitiies.
There I am - explicitly refering to the forum you've twice now said I didn't refer to.
Honestly. Is it too much to ask people to read as far as the second sentence? (Or act like a complete raging asshole at the same time)
Now let's see. Are you enough of a big tough interent to admit you were wrong?
As for the rest. I may have missed one or two political threads on the main forum. It's easy to do. But I also missed at least one here so...
The point still stands. That there is proportionally more political talk here - at least more than twice as much even if we add the two extra threads you mentioned.. No I didn't mention mention Tangency - but then I also didn't mention the Pundit's forum. I would think the reason for that should be obvious if you stop think about it.
You also seem to suggest that Rpgnet would have a higher proportion of political threads if only they weren't being chased off the main page by gaming threads...well...yes?
Now whether that's a good thing or a bad thing or a problem or whatever, I'm happy to leave for other people to decide.
But it is a thing.
Where, precisely, in either post did I claim you didn't
mention TRO? My claim is and has been that you're cherry picking to prove your point. Even if I acknowledge that you sort of point at one or two threads in the most hand-wavy way imaginable. The only thread you fully mentioned by title was the one in D20. I filled in a few threads you "overlooked" from TRO. Then went on to point out that if you add them all there's really no contest at all. And, yes, if we ignore Tagency (TBP's busiest forum, btw) then RPGsite does indeed have more threads that are explicitly political. I already acknowledged as much. It's also not the "not even close" landslide you've planted your flag on.
And my point about traffic driving topics off the front page - well it's not "gaming" topics that do that. It's any / all topics due to sheer volume they receive compared to this site. And quite frequently that's a brand-new ultra-woke talking point some snowflake at TRO needs to talk about. Had we been having this discussion just a few weeks earlier, TRO would have been so bad that you'd have seen an announcement from the mods there that they're putting a moratorium on political threads because their poor, delicate admins are so exhausted from waving that ban hammer so much. That's quite literally why the numbers stack the way they do right now.
But you know what? If you want to claim victory here you go right on ahead. My points still stand.
Quote from: Opaopajr;1106580OK, that was hilarious! :D D&D 4e as a new benchmark low is a riot. :p /flits about my AD&D 2e princess' & unicorns' secret garden
I suspect Pundit's unholy masters will send him after that once he's finished cutting his teeth on 4E. I know Mike Mearls and Jonathan "Blood and Souls for My Lords Moloch and Astarte!" Tweet dislike it. :)