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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 29, 2023, 12:43:04 AM
It's not 40% women.  I remember a large hobby shop I game at and they had 4 women to about 20 men.  When you go to a large gaming convention you see about 20% women playing.  I would not be surprised if the "women" they got were millenial men who think they are women or they did some very creative cherry picking to pump up those numbers.

Their Gen X number is low because they have been encouraged to play other games by Wotc behavior.

LOL they're wrong because it differs from your experience which involved a single hobby shop and single convention?

It's multiple conventions and that was the main hobby shop in my area with the largest audience.  For my local hobby shop that I DM at, we have one guy's girlfriend who plays and the rest are men.  You are looking at D&D themselves, most likely a D&D Beyond survey and that place is a hive of gender confused furries more than normies.  The amount of dudes saying they are chicks are going to make that survey off from a reality perspective.  And no that is a few conventions over the last 5 years man.

They survey these things every single survey they put out, for a decade now. They get MASSIVE amounts of response - tens of thousands of responses from around the nation. And to overcome that you cite your own personal small experience and then declare your own bias must be true?

Multiple people in this thread said their own personal experiences are the opposite of yours, but those experiences don't count because...it wasn't you experiencing it? Or what, are they all just liars?

Man, you're just raising a huge narcissist flag. It's one thing to doubt the data but it's entirely another to do it because "I have not seen that myself so it can't be true."

Yeah WotC lies, they lie repeatedly, why would you trust anything from a company conquered by ESG where they have one hell of an incentive to lie about their demographics.  You are trusting WotC, a company that would look you square in the face and tell you Orcs and Drow are black people, Goblins are Jews and Flying Monkey Squirels are Blacks.  WotC doesn't live in reality dude.

Man, you're just raising a huge narcissist flag. It's one thing to doubt the data but it's entirely another to do it because "I have not seen that myself so it can't be true," despite many others in this thread saying their personal experience differs from yours.

I'm basing it on WotC problems with reality.  They have financial incentive to cook their books on diversity.  They use D&D Beyond to put out their surveys and the amount of bros with boobs there present is pretty damn staggering meaning the survey is going to have some flux when they try to figure out the females.  I am going of what I've seen in real life at hobby shops and conventions.  It's sitting around 20% in my experience.

Next, stop strawmanning its a pussy move.  I never said "I have not seen that myself so it can't be true,".  Now, when you run into someone with an opposite opinion and they give you their reasoning you call them a narcissist, are you daft?  It's the Internet people are going to disagree with you, when you call them narcisists and you lie about what they wrote, when it can be read in the thread above, it makes you look like you are trolling.

If you think someone is acting like a douche, just ignore them and no longer reply to them.

As I pointed out in a video on these demographics a while back, the problem with this data is that you can't really know if the "39% female" statistic is because 5e got a bunch of new female players, or because a bunch of players who formerly "identified" as male are now "identifying" as female. So the actual growth of new players might be large or miniscule.

Quote from: RPGPundit on May 31, 2023, 05:33:17 AM
As I pointed out in a video on these demographics a while back, the problem with this data is that you can't really know if the "39% female" statistic is because 5e got a bunch of new female players, or because a bunch of players who formerly "identified" as male are now "identifying" as female. So the actual growth of new players might be large or miniscule.

You see this with video games at the top level of competition. Year after year they did everything they could to get women on the podium, but they couldn't even get a female that was taken seriously.

Fast forward to self identifying women, and now game journalists get to crow about how this and that top spot is taken by a woman, and this proves there's no difference between men and women.

Quote from: Mistwell on May 24, 2023, 03:45:45 PM
Often there is a lot of discussion here about who plays D&D these days. Here is some semi-official data on that I thought might be worth discussing here.

According to Wizards' internal studies of the player population:

60% of D&D players are male, 39% are female, and 1% identify otherwise
60% are "hybrid" players, who switch between playing the game physically or online
58% play D&D on a weekly basis
48% identify as millennials, 19% from Generation X and 33% from Generation Z
The majority of current D&D players started with 5th Edition. This is a recent shift, as previously the most popular answer for this question was 2nd edition

Seems ok except for the 1% who identify otherwise. They are too stupid & confused to comprehend D&D. They live in a fantasy world already in their own minds. They do not need a game for that.

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Quote from: RPGPundit on May 31, 2023, 05:33:17 AM
As I pointed out in a video on these demographics a while back, the problem with this data is that you can't really know if the "39% female" statistic is because 5e got a bunch of new female players, or because a bunch of players who formerly "identified" as male are now "identifying" as female. So the actual growth of new players might be large or miniscule.

You see this with video games at the top level of competition. Year after year they did everything they could to get women on the podium, but they couldn't even get a female that was taken seriously.

Fast forward to self identifying women, and now game journalists get to crow about how this and that top spot is taken by a woman, and this proves there's no difference between men and women.

Men just make better women than women.  I'm willing to bet if D&D got those numbers from D&D Beyond, they are sitting at 5% to 10% are men who think they are women at least going off D&D Beyonds LFG forum

If they want real numbers, do it at a convention and D&D beyond at hobby shops.  Put the survey out as part of registering for convention or adventurers league at the hobby shop and they'll get better data.  I would suggest they put trans women and trans men as options but WotC HQ in Seattle would get so much cultural enrichment they'd burn their HQ to the ground.  20% of Gen Z have some form of mental illness in gender identity, so those numbers they got for gen z are probably not right.


https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 31, 2023, 10:27:33 AM
20% of Gen Z have some form of mental illness in gender identity, so those numbers they got for gen z are probably not right.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx

The link you give says that 20% of Gen Z identifies as LGBT. Among LGBT people, it says

QuoteMore than half of LGBT Americans, 57%, indicate they are bisexual. That percentage translates to 4.0% of all U.S. adults. Meanwhile, 21% of LGBT Americans say they are gay, 14% lesbian, 10% transgender and 4% something else.

So only around 2% of Gen Z identify as transgender.

Quote from: jhkim on May 31, 2023, 01:53:56 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 31, 2023, 10:27:33 AM
20% of Gen Z have some form of mental illness in gender identity, so those numbers they got for gen z are probably not right.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx

The link you give says that 20% of Gen Z identifies as LGBT. Among LGBT people, it says

QuoteMore than half of LGBT Americans, 57%, indicate they are bisexual. That percentage translates to 4.0% of all U.S. adults. Meanwhile, 21% of LGBT Americans say they are gay, 14% lesbian, 10% transgender and 4% something else.

So only around 2% of Gen Z identify as transgender.

How many of them no longer identify as male or female, are they trans now, you could ask the tootsie roll owl how many pronouns it takes to trans, but if they aren't male or female, congrats they are in the wonderful world of transdom.  That mind virus goes pretty quick with social contagion.  It can take a sane 8 year old girl and transition her to a "boy" in less than 5 years.  It can take a healthy male who says they'll never get the surgery and in under a decade their genetalia is thrown into a trashcan.  When you are looking at left wing gender conversion therapy its pretty virulent.  Once you no longer identify as male or female, they are in the trans sphere and should be counted as such.  That take alone could be enough to wake parents up to the dangers of indulging in such fantasies for children who haven't went through puberty.

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It's not 40% women.  I remember a large hobby shop I game at and they had 4 women to about 20 men.  When you go to a large gaming convention you see about 20% women playing.  I would not be surprised if the "women" they got were millenial men who think they are women or they did some very creative cherry picking to pump up those numbers.

Their Gen X number is low because they have been encouraged to play other games by Wotc behavior.

LOL they're wrong because it differs from your experience which involved a single hobby shop and single convention?

It's multiple conventions and that was the main hobby shop in my area with the largest audience.  For my local hobby shop that I DM at, we have one guy's girlfriend who plays and the rest are men.  You are looking at D&D themselves, most likely a D&D Beyond survey and that place is a hive of gender confused furries more than normies.  The amount of dudes saying they are chicks are going to make that survey off from a reality perspective.  And no that is a few conventions over the last 5 years man.

They survey these things every single survey they put out, for a decade now. They get MASSIVE amounts of response - tens of thousands of responses from around the nation. And to overcome that you cite your own personal small experience and then declare your own bias must be true?

Multiple people in this thread said their own personal experiences are the opposite of yours, but those experiences don't count because...it wasn't you experiencing it? Or what, are they all just liars?

Man, you're just raising a huge narcissist flag. It's one thing to doubt the data but it's entirely another to do it because "I have not seen that myself so it can't be true."

Yeah WotC lies, they lie repeatedly, why would you trust anything from a company conquered by ESG where they have one hell of an incentive to lie about their demographics.  You are trusting WotC, a company that would look you square in the face and tell you Orcs and Drow are black people, Goblins are Jews and Flying Monkey Squirels are Blacks.  WotC doesn't live in reality dude.

Man, you're just raising a huge narcissist flag. It's one thing to doubt the data but it's entirely another to do it because "I have not seen that myself so it can't be true," despite many others in this thread saying their personal experience differs from yours.

I'm basing it on WotC problems with reality.  They have financial incentive to cook their books on diversity.  They use D&D Beyond to put out their surveys and the amount of bros with boobs there present is pretty damn staggering meaning the survey is going to have some flux when they try to figure out the females.  I am going of what I've seen in real life at hobby shops and conventions.  It's sitting around 20% in my experience.

Next, stop strawmanning its a pussy move.  I never said "I have not seen that myself so it can't be true,".  Now, when you run into someone with an opposite opinion and they give you their reasoning you call them a narcissist, are you daft?  It's the Internet people are going to disagree with you, when you call them narcisists and you lie about what they wrote, when it can be read in the thread above, it makes you look like you are trolling.

If you think someone is acting like a douche, just ignore them and no longer reply to them.

You did say that though. Dismissing the WOTC survey is fine, though your basis lacks logic but whatever. That leaves you with a blank slate.

But once with a blank slate, all you did was cite your own personal experience. You saw others in this thread cite their personal experience which differed from your own, and you entirely ignored it.

So yes, you did in fact take a "I have not seen that myself so it can't be true" position. That's not a strawman. It's not the words you used but it's the position you are taking. It's an entirely you-centric position. It's based purely on your own personal experiences combined with your stated biases. It's not analysis in any meaningful way.

Even just taking the topic of conventions, you don't need to take your own personal experience to get a more accurate read - you were not there to count. GenCon for example said of their 18k sample it was 34% female, 64% male and 2% custom, while in younger age groups it was 44% aged 25-34 are female. Which just so happens to track with the WOTC numbers. Are they also just lying liars what lie for "reasons" because it doesn't track with your personal experience which was, I think you will admit, not you actually doing a count but just a vague general impression?

Keep in mind WOTC says these stats took meaningful changes RECENTLY. Like this most recent set of surveys was the first that listed 5e as the first D&D experience as the largest set of answers and prior to this 2nd edition was the most common answer. Have you considered the possibility the demographics changed recently with the massive growth of the hobby, and your personal knowledge is older and possibly a tad out of date given recent changes?

I just wonder how long Wizards can keep the gravy train rolling.

Despite the OGL Debacle, Despite sending Pinkertons to someone's house, despite microtransactions and everything else..

They're business is BOOMING.

They recently announced a 20% Price Hike on all their books going forward...

Will this finally be the thing which stops them from dominating everywhere? I only hope so.

Wizard's of the Coast has reached the level of comically evil Corporation.... Like full on legit, clown shoes blatantly evil only interested in exploiting their consumer base instead of delivering quality product..

But it may just be they hit the right niche and notes that none of it will come home to roost.... All the players who started with 5th edition, probably have no interest in playing anything else, and most likely look at other RPGs as the "Great Value" version of Dungeons and Dragons.... rather than say, the micro-brew to the mass market pisswater.

It's sad really, because while 5th edition had it's merits... its almost a decade now, the warts are showing... there are better games out there, better ways to play D&D... but the market seems dedicated to buying nothing but D&D despite anything and everything Wizards as a company does.

Quote from: Orphan81 on May 31, 2023, 04:03:49 PM
I just wonder how long Wizards can keep the gravy train rolling.

Despite the OGL Debacle, Despite sending Pinkertons to someone's house, despite microtransactions and everything else..

They're business is BOOMING.

They recently announced a 20% Price Hike on all their books going forward...

Will this finally be the thing which stops them from dominating everywhere? I only hope so.

Wizard's of the Coast has reached the level of comically evil Corporation.... Like full on legit, clown shoes blatantly evil only interested in exploiting their consumer base instead of delivering quality product..

But it may just be they hit the right niche and notes that none of it will come home to roost.... All the players who started with 5th edition, probably have no interest in playing anything else, and most likely look at other RPGs as the "Great Value" version of Dungeons and Dragons.... rather than say, the micro-brew to the mass market pisswater.

It's sad really, because while 5th edition had it's merits... its almost a decade now, the warts are showing... there are better games out there, better ways to play D&D... but the market seems dedicated to buying nothing but D&D despite anything and everything Wizards as a company does.

Their business isn't booming.  A lot of players are peeling away.  Their most recent woke books aren't selling.  I laugh still seeing the same two radiant citadel books at my local hobby shop.  I warned the owner about WotC putting in some really weird politics since Mearls got axed. 

Right now, WotC is trying to do the 2E splat books for lore for "DMs".  Look at Bigby's Giants, wtf does Bigby has to do with giants, well that's what's Wotc is putting out.  WotC axed Volo's and Mord's because they had good core lore for each of the main racial factions and they are reduced to releasing splat books that frankly are gonna suck.  They'll have a few character classes, a new race or two, the same lore from Mords and shit adventure from Perkins. 

The Pandemic gave them business, well its been taken away, and now they have to put out good content, and they can't.  They have to follow ESG now, so their stuff is horribad.  At least with Mearls the core rules and classes were good, the modules needed a fair bit of work but the time invested was less than the time to create an equivalent product.  Now, if you let anything from WotC in currently, it fucks up the game.

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Quote from: Orphan81 on May 31, 2023, 04:03:49 PM
I just wonder how long Wizards can keep the gravy train rolling.

Despite the OGL Debacle, Despite sending Pinkertons to someone's house, despite microtransactions and everything else..

They're business is BOOMING.

They recently announced a 20% Price Hike on all their books going forward...

Will this finally be the thing which stops them from dominating everywhere? I only hope so.

Wizard's of the Coast has reached the level of comically evil Corporation.... Like full on legit, clown shoes blatantly evil only interested in exploiting their consumer base instead of delivering quality product..

But it may just be they hit the right niche and notes that none of it will come home to roost.... All the players who started with 5th edition, probably have no interest in playing anything else, and most likely look at other RPGs as the "Great Value" version of Dungeons and Dragons.... rather than say, the micro-brew to the mass market pisswater.

It's sad really, because while 5th edition had it's merits... its almost a decade now, the warts are showing... there are better games out there, better ways to play D&D... but the market seems dedicated to buying nothing but D&D despite anything and everything Wizards as a company does.

Their business isn't booming.  A lot of players are peeling away.  Their most recent woke books aren't selling.  I laugh still seeing the same two radiant citadel books at my local hobby shop.  I warned the owner about WotC putting in some really weird politics since Mearls got axed. 

Right now, WotC is trying to do the 2E splat books for lore for "DMs".  Look at Bigby's Giants, wtf does Bigby has to do with giants, well that's what's Wotc is putting out.  WotC axed Volo's and Mord's because they had good core lore for each of the main racial factions and they are reduced to releasing splat books that frankly are gonna suck.  They'll have a few character classes, a new race or two, the same lore from Mords and shit adventure from Perkins. 

The Pandemic gave them business, well its been taken away, and now they have to put out good content, and they can't.  They have to follow ESG now, so their stuff is horribad.  At least with Mearls the core rules and classes were good, the modules needed a fair bit of work but the time invested was less than the time to create an equivalent product.  Now, if you let anything from WotC in currently, it fucks up the game.

Their sales for the first quarter of 2023 were higher than their sales for the first Quarter of 2022... Their Stock is at an all time high.

YES their Business is booming... They're making more money than ever before.... Their books ARE selling. You might not like this, hell I don't like it... But it's the truth.

Quote from: Orphan81 on May 31, 2023, 09:30:21 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 31, 2023, 07:51:02 PM

Quote from: Orphan81 on May 31, 2023, 04:03:49 PM
I just wonder how long Wizards can keep the gravy train rolling.

Despite the OGL Debacle, Despite sending Pinkertons to someone's house, despite microtransactions and everything else..

They're business is BOOMING.

They recently announced a 20% Price Hike on all their books going forward...

Will this finally be the thing which stops them from dominating everywhere? I only hope so.

Wizard's of the Coast has reached the level of comically evil Corporation.... Like full on legit, clown shoes blatantly evil only interested in exploiting their consumer base instead of delivering quality product..

But it may just be they hit the right niche and notes that none of it will come home to roost.... All the players who started with 5th edition, probably have no interest in playing anything else, and most likely look at other RPGs as the "Great Value" version of Dungeons and Dragons.... rather than say, the micro-brew to the mass market pisswater.

It's sad really, because while 5th edition had it's merits... its almost a decade now, the warts are showing... there are better games out there, better ways to play D&D... but the market seems dedicated to buying nothing but D&D despite anything and everything Wizards as a company does.

Their business isn't booming.  A lot of players are peeling away.  Their most recent woke books aren't selling.  I laugh still seeing the same two radiant citadel books at my local hobby shop.  I warned the owner about WotC putting in some really weird politics since Mearls got axed. 

Right now, WotC is trying to do the 2E splat books for lore for "DMs".  Look at Bigby's Giants, wtf does Bigby has to do with giants, well that's what's Wotc is putting out.  WotC axed Volo's and Mord's because they had good core lore for each of the main racial factions and they are reduced to releasing splat books that frankly are gonna suck.  They'll have a few character classes, a new race or two, the same lore from Mords and shit adventure from Perkins. 

The Pandemic gave them business, well its been taken away, and now they have to put out good content, and they can't.  They have to follow ESG now, so their stuff is horribad.  At least with Mearls the core rules and classes were good, the modules needed a fair bit of work but the time invested was less than the time to create an equivalent product.  Now, if you let anything from WotC in currently, it fucks up the game.

Their sales for the first quarter of 2023 were higher than their sales for the first Quarter of 2022... Their Stock is at an all time high.

YES their Business is booming... They're making more money than ever before.... Their books ARE selling. You might not like this, hell I don't like it... But it's the truth.

I'm familiar with Hasbro financials.  Does this look like D&D is doing well?  In a financial unit, if its doing well they will separate it by name to highlight its sales, they didn't do that for D&D, they grouped D&D with MTG in the results.  The pandemic is over, there is no more fertilizer to D&D sales.  You are telling me, that after WotC decided to shit on the OGL, send the Pinkertons to harass a former fan of them and had D&D Exec Producer imply that either white men need to go from D&D or white men need to leave WotC, they did well with the fans on sales?  A lot of people peeled off.  I've seen Youtubers go full on anti-WotC that will hurt their sales (DMs Lair went public against WotC and is now doing Pathfinder, AJ Picket told D&D off publicly and will never do a D&D video again he is the best D&D monster lore available - he is awesome).

As to Hasbro Q1 results:

source: https://hasbro.gcs-web.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-reports-first-quarter-2023-financial-results

-Hasbro Q1 Revenue of $1B declined 14% YOY
-Note they always lump MTG and D&D together when talking about an increase in sales and how good its doing.  Well gee lets look at the First Quarter 2023 Major Segment Performance.  Wizards of the Coast and Digital Gaming, gee they had a 12% increase in net revenue, but their Operating Profit (Loss) which should also include headcount cost.  Q1 Operating Profit (Loss): 2022 $106.4M vs 2023 $76.8M.  Most likely a good portion of that was the 1K people they fired, so  diff of $29.6M.  When you look at the difference of Q1 Net Revenue 2022 $262.8 vs 2023 $295.2 = $32.4.  they might have increased by sales $3M, and that would be MTG, that is the cash cow, not D&D.

The issue is they won't talk about D&D by itself in their Q1 financial results, its always linked to MTG.  D&D has went very effin woke, a lot of people don't like that.  And again, this quarter D&D stepped on its dick repeatedly.  If by some miracle you believe that customers liked the OGL, liked the Pinkertons and liked Brink going racist towards whites, then I have some shitcoins to sell you, its worth it trust me.  I cancelled my sub  to D&D Beyond and went to Fantasy Grounds due to D&D's behavior.  I'm not alone, a lot of people matriculated to other pay VTT's than use D&D Beyond after their behavior.

As to layoff source,

In January they announced the layoff of 1K people or 15% of its workforce

source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hasbro-posts-129m-loss-amid-layoffs-as-it-looks-for-an-entertainment-one-buyer-1235327570/

Then you are on the site of The RPG Pundit who has stated repeatedly from people he's heard in his videos (Radiance and Candlekeep being examples), their books continue to have smaller and smaller sales with each release.  I'm just saying, I'm not alone looking at D&D financials having some issues.  There has been a lot of speculation of Hasbro selling off D&D, I don't think they are wrong.  This digital push (VTT, Baldurs Gate 3) looks like an attempt to give D&D more of a digital presence so they can sell it off to a video game company because D&D is turning into a turkey.  Essentially proving D&D has a digital presence and all the lore can be mined to create a ton of profitable video games.

I have zero faith that a woke TTRPG company with Microsoft execs running it who shit on everyone publicly who made their game, will be able to create a good game let alone write good lore.  Look at the Neogi from Mords (evil slavers) to Multiverse (space vulcans).  Anyone trying to use a Neogi from Woke 5E have no clue what to do with them, while Normie 5E they know their lore and how to deploy them.  Woke 5E doesn't like alignment because "absolutes", meanwhile Normie 5E likes alignment because it gives you a quick way to build a base behavior for a monster and setting up the planes and religion.  Woke 5E pays sensitivity readers who has to find something to censor in everything given to them to justify their employment while Normie 5E can put out lore that makes sense and is interesting.  I don't see D&D 5E doing as well as it did during the pandemic and I don't see Woke 5E policies increasing sales, in fact it will do the exact opposite.  You can only allow Twitter to be your editor so many times before your content becomes schizophrenic and unusable.

WotC sales are up while operating profits are down. What on Earth could that be?

Maybe with the release of One D&D, the back catalog has been on sale. I can't be assed to check, but that's the simplest explanation.

More likely it's a combination of factors. Normies have likely caught on to what WotC has been doing lately and are tying to get their hands on physical books before the sensitivity readers scrub and sanitize all of the content. They're not pissed off and committed to the boycott, but they're also not interested in any new stuff coming down the pipe. They're getting packed up and stepping off the train.

Quote from: Corolinth on June 01, 2023, 11:45:12 AM
WotC sales are up while operating profits are down. What on Earth could that be?

Maybe with the release of One D&D, the back catalog has been on sale. I can't be assed to check, but that's the simplest explanation.

More likely it's a combination of factors. Normies have likely caught on to what WotC has been doing lately and are tying to get their hands on physical books before the sensitivity readers scrub and sanitize all of the content. They're not pissed off and committed to the boycott, but they're also not interested in any new stuff coming down the pipe. They're getting packed up and stepping off the train.

They cut 15% of their workforce, that will drive up net by reducing costs.  And they still aren't releasing D&D numbers without mixing them in with MTG.  I'm not sure books are going to drive it.  I think its more MTG sales, they've been flooding the market with card packs to drive sales.  Mearl's took over the MTG operations, and Mearl's did a good job with D&D, I mean there are a lot of complaints about the volume of the cards coming out, but I bet that is where the profit is coming from.  After the Spelljammer debacle and then OGL and then Kyle Bring and then Pinkerton people are matriculating out.

I'm thinking they cut costs (headcount + buildings).  My company has been doing that.  Anyone on the bench is normally gone in two weeks if they can't find a project.  It's bloody as Eff right now for workers, I can't see Hasbro of all companies keeping people they don't need.

Side note, I'm looking forward to see if Hasbro goes full on rainbow for D&D.  On the front page of dndbeyond, no rainbow or inclusivity.  There is a chance Hasbro is learning to stay out of politics after Bud, Target and now Kohls.  If so, maybe D&D will turn around, fingers crossed.  Its only day 1 of the pride nutjobbery.  When I'm using my phone, I don't care if the guy on the line was sucking his boyfriends fronthole, I just want a working phone, the same thing applies to D&D.  If they can drop the identity politics out of advertising and c ontent, D&D might be good.  Lets wait and see how the rest of the month pans out.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on May 31, 2023, 10:27:33 AM
20% of Gen Z have some form of mental illness in gender identity, so those numbers they got for gen z are probably not right.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx

The link you give says that 20% of Gen Z identifies as LGBT. Among LGBT people, it says

QuoteMore than half of LGBT Americans, 57%, indicate they are bisexual. That percentage translates to 4.0% of all U.S. adults. Meanwhile, 21% of LGBT Americans say they are gay, 14% lesbian, 10% transgender and 4% something else.

So only around 2% of Gen Z identify as transgender.

How many of them no longer identify as male or female, are they trans now, you could ask the tootsie roll owl how many pronouns it takes to trans, but if they aren't male or female, congrats they are in the wonderful world of transdom. That mind virus goes pretty quick with social contagion.  It can take a sane 8 year old girl and transition her to a "boy" in less than 5 years.  It can take a healthy male who says they'll never get the surgery and in under a decade their genetalia is thrown into a trashcan. When you are looking at left wing gender conversion therapy its pretty virulent.  Once you no longer identify as male or female, they are in the trans sphere and should be counted as such.

Yes, I'd agree that if someone no longer identifies as male or female, that means they are transgender.

However, someone who is gay - i.e. who has always identified and been known as male, but is attracted to other men - is not transgender. Likewise, someone who has always identified as female and is a lesbian isn't transgender.

The survey you linked to said that 20% of Gen Z identified as LGBT, and that most LGBT people were bisexual, lesbian, or gay - but not transgender. Only around 2% were transgender.

That is a similar percentage to the WotC survey that found that 1% of respondents identified as non-binary (i.e. neither male nor female).