Quote from: Abyssal Maw;346426Sort of like a last beacon of hope!

You're not seriously comparing Koltar to Obi Wan are you?

Quote from: Koltar;346460My Gamer/player persona is pretty easy to seperate from my store worker/Assistant manager persona and point of view.

I'd hope so, and I imagine you keep it in check at the store.  However, I'm referring to the content of your posts here, where I don't think you exercise such restraint.

QuoteAs to your other comments related to the current President. This forum no longer has a politics sub-forum or even an 'other' sub-forum. That part of your post is pretty much irrelevent.

It's entirely relevant, Ed.  Even without a dedicated politics forum, you manage to find opportunities to express your political commentary -- like Pundy's forum.

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Quote from: One Horse Town;346462You're not seriously comparing Koltar to Obi Wan are you?

I got the beard pretty close to Alec Guinness at times - tho I'm closer to the Ewan McGregor look. Just got to find the biege & brown robes.

One of my players does use 'padawan' as part of her e-mail handle.


- Ed C.

Quote from: KittenKoder;346458Gamers aren't rich ... something WotC and WW need to be reminded of again, most cannot afford to buy whole new sets to "upgrade" as we are now talking hundreds of dollars. So this is not a big surprise. WW recently started following WotC's formula, which is why I now include them.

Those of us that can, won't.  It's getting harder and harder to justify buying anything new but miniatures.  Not out of lack of money, but lack of interest.

Gaming is almost the biggest part of my budget, because I don't really need anything.

I mean, more miniatures is usually right behind whatever the hell my daughter wants whenever she wants it on my list of things to buy.

Sometimes you don't look twice at these things.  I was in a FLGS with my buddy that stocked 4e, some 3.5e and Pathfinder.  I laughed at 4e, pointed to the frivolity of 3.5e, and actually picked up the Pathfinder book.  

They had a ton of 4e, a bunch of 3.5 and one Pathfinder book.

This isn't my normal store, it's in another town an hour away.  Is it like this most places?

We didn't even buy any Magic because Garruk vs Lilliana was like priced at 35 bux.  Not that I wanted that, but it was enough to make me leave the store.  Oh, I bought a Warhammer Novel.

Quote from: Ian Absentia;346461Not rich, perhaps, but with (relatively) lots of disposable income.  There's a sweet spot there between roughly the age of 20 and 30 where one is earning well, but isn't saddled with children and a mortgage.

I think the more telling issue is the general state of the economy and the high unemployment rate.  That "sweet spot" I mentioned above has shrunk drastically in the last two years.

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Not entirely ... I started gaming much younger, 12 I believe, and had almost no income save a paper route and babysitting. Right now I have "disposable" income, yet still could never buy all new books every year. What they seem to be doing is catering to the WoW crowd who are always looking for the next "improvement" instead of hobbyists who make up the largest portion of the gaming community. Fanpro and Wizkids have a great model for their gaming materials, new versions are essentially house rules canonized or modules/accessories/expansions being merged into the corebooks. Eden Studios has another good model for business in the gaming industry, everything is the exact same game system, just different approaches and genres. But meh ... their models will be truly tested in longevity, there are no bailouts for gaming companies. White Wolf is already struggling because of their recent massive "upgrade" (as well as the closing of their primary chat game). It would be interesting to see exactly what percentage of their profits WotC makes on what product, due to their wide scope I don't see them dying anytime soon.

Quote from: Blackhand;346467Those of us that can, won't.  It's getting harder and harder to justify buying anything new but miniatures.  Not out of lack of money, but lack of interest.

Gaming is almost the biggest part of my budget, because I don't really need anything.

I mean, more miniatures is usually right behind whatever the hell my daughter wants whenever she wants it on my list of things to buy.

Sometimes you don't look twice at these things.  I was in a FLGS with my buddy that stocked 4e, some 3.5e and Pathfinder.  I laughed at 4e, pointed to the frivolity of 3.5e, and actually picked up the Pathfinder book.  

They had a ton of 4e, a bunch of 3.5 and one Pathfinder book.

This isn't my normal store, it's in another town an hour away.  Is it like this most places?

We didn't even buy any Magic because Garruk vs Lilliana was like priced at 35 bux.  Not that I wanted that, but it was enough to make me leave the store.  Oh, I bought a Warhammer Novel.

Aaah ... I concede to that point. Financial intelligence is another factor.

When I play 4th edition,I usually feel like playaing WoW when combat situations arrise.I don t feel it s a bad game, thought.But I d rather play 3.5...I mean, "Stab and grab" "Nimbus of doom" Crap...I feel like I m pressing skill buttons!

Kitten Koder: Eden has TWO systems, very closely related, but distinct: Unisystem and Cinematic Unisystem; the differences are just enough to trip people up badly.

Quote from: aramis;346485Kitten Koder: Eden has TWO systems, very closely related, but distinct: Unisystem and Cinematic Unisystem; the differences are just enough to trip people up badly.

I stand corrected, thanks. I only thought they had the Unisystem.

Quote from: KittenKoder;346492I stand corrected, thanks. I only thought they had the Unisystem.

Cinematic is d10 only, uses NPC's with combat totals but no rolls, PC's dodges/parries/evasions are rolled vs fixed combat totals, damages fixed plus SL, armor fixed value. Games include BTVS, Angel, Ghosts of Avalon, Army of Darkness

Full Unisystem is nearly-full range of polyhedral dice (tho' d10 and d6 get the vast majority, d4, d8, d10, and d12 are used for damages), NPCs get full stats and make rolls, damage is rolled, armor rolled. Games include Witchcraft, AFMBE, Terra Primate, Conspiracy X.

Difference level is comparable to AD&D 2 vs D&D RC. Close enough to borrow stuff across, different enough to throw people.

When I played BTVS, the GM (an AFMBE fan) kept adding a d10 roll to the combat scores, and couldn't figure out why we were having such a hard time of it.

Quote from: aramis;346512Cinematic is d10 only, uses NPC's with combat totals but no rolls, PC's dodges/parries/evasions are rolled vs fixed combat totals, damages fixed plus SL, armor fixed value. Games include BTVS, Angel, Ghosts of Avalon, Army of Darkness

Full Unisystem is nearly-full range of polyhedral dice (tho' d10 and d6 get the vast majority, d4, d8, d10, and d12 are used for damages), NPCs get full stats and make rolls, damage is rolled, armor rolled. Games include Witchcraft, AFMBE, Terra Primate, Conspiracy X.

Difference level is comparable to AD&D 2 vs D&D RC. Close enough to borrow stuff across, different enough to throw people.

When I played BTVS, the GM (an AFMBE fan) kept adding a d10 roll to the combat scores, and couldn't figure out why we were having such a hard time of it.

I know the Unisystem, the full range of dice is what attracted me plus the point based design.

Quote from: Koltar;346465I got the beard pretty close to Alec Guinness at times - tho I'm closer to the Ewan McGregor look. Just got to find the biege & brown robes.

- Ed C.

:huhsign: Seriously, are you that divorced from reality?

Quote from: KittenKoder;346515I know the Unisystem, the full range of dice is what attracted me plus the point based design.

I only do cinematic... full range of dice is a turn off for me.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaSadly, Ed, you haven't exactly proven yourself as an impartial observer where your opinions may be involved. See, for example, your many posts regarding candidate/President Obama where you start to the effect of "I don't personally have anything against the guy..." then promptly go on to slag him with unflattering anecdotes and comparisons.

You're on record as saying you don't like 4e, so I don't have a lot of faith that you're not looking for the most unflattering examples of 4e sales and play. It's called Observer Bias, and you got it in spades.

Quote from: Koltar;346460No I don't.

 My Gamer/player persona is pretty easy to seperate from my store worker/Assistant manager persona and point of view.

If someone is looking for 4th edition D&D - I happily show them where it is and tell them the newest books we have in from delivery.

- Ed C.


As to your other comments related to the current President. This forum no longer has a politics sub-forum or even an 'other' sub-forum. That part of your post is pretty much irrelevent.

Yes you do have bias. You even point it out in your post. And I quote "If someone is looking for 4th edition D&D - I happily show them where it is and tell them the newest books we have in from delivery"
So if they are looking for it you point it out. But say if they came in looking for just an RPG you might not then? Because by saying you would point it out if they were looking you seem to indicate that if they were not you might steer them in a different direction. Not to mention I'm sure you've never uttered the phrase, "but GURPS can do it all.":rolleyes:
Also the presidential post are totally relevent. They are proof of your thinking processes. It doesnt matter that we no longer have access to said political forum. Your just hiding behind the fact that one can no longer see your hippocracy, so in your mind it does not exist.

A world where space aliens zap away all rpg books and our memories of anything and everything rpg related.