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Quote from: DDB email saidHelp Take a Stand
Half of all D&D Beyond proceeds from dice sales during the first week (through next Monday) will be donated to Black Lives Matter.

Sadly,  they are stepping into a big pool of political shit going down this road.

I doubt it. Most of the rpg world seems to be full tilt about signaling right now.

Dividing lines are drawn and everyone is choosing sides, whether they intend to or not.

I choose to side with the Chris24601 Anti-Poverty Endowment. 100% of all donations to CAPE will go to enriching the life of Chris24601.

Quote from: Chris24601;1131910I choose to side with the Chris24601 Anti-Poverty Endowment. 100% of all donations to CAPE will go to enriching the life of Chris24601.

^^^^^
:D

Do they actually make that much from dice sales?

Seems like someone crunched the numbers and probably figure this is a good way of shifting stock whilst getting some good PR without actually doing anything.

Quote from: Snark Knight;1131921Do they actually make that much from dice sales?

Seems like someone crunched the numbers and probably figure this is a good way of shifting stock whilst getting some good PR without actually doing anything.

Depending on your definition of "good"!

I said this is another thread, but I'll repeat it here. If anyone supports the looting and rioting, they truly HATE black Americans. These morons don't understand how the middle class responds to riots. The middle class moves away, aka "white flight", and poof go the home values, the businesses and the tax base. The silent majority takes silent, but significant action. I've lived in LA through the 1992 riots and I can attest to the long term damage suffered by the black community caused by the riots.

Can someone support BLM and be against riots? Maybe. Unfortunately, the two are deeply intertwined in regards to the organization, its leadership, its relationship with the media, and most importantly, within the optics in the eyes of the rest of America. If anyone really wanted to solve problems and not just virtue signal, the answer would be an All Lives Matter organization that explicitly honored all those who protest peacefully and demands dickstomping on all those who harm innocents.

BTW, if anyone wants to donate to a good non-political cause, I suggest DonorsChoose.org (https://www.donorschoose.org/).

Teachers announce their class projects and you can fund what you personally support.

"I" do not support BLM in any way, and now I'll never do any business with D&D Beyond.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1131924... clip fucking nonsense ...

This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site. Nice troll bro.

I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

Fucking shit-hammock.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

You support the riots because they are working?

Can you unpack that a little more?

Quote from: trechriron;1131944This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site. Nice troll bro.

I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

Fucking shit-hammock.

Virtue signaling level 9000.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site. Nice troll bro.

I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

Fucking shit-hammock.

Go to hell.  You might as well, you are most of the way there already.

Greetings!

Mobs of thugs burning, looting, and destroying *local* businesses is so lawful and nice. Ever wonder how that affects the business owners, and the employees that work there? All of that mayhem has fuck all to do with a black man being killed by a policeman in Minnesota.

Yay! Lets create even more of a burned out shithole where everyone fucking chokes on poverty and drugs. And these jackasses then wonder why no one wants to invest in these shithole ghettoes?

Fucking amazing.

Law and Order needs to be restored.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: trechriron;1131944This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site. Nice troll bro.

I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

Fucking shit-hammock.

You support the riots because pissing some guy off on the internet is worth the cost of ruined local businesses, curfews, further erosion of civil liberties and economic harm after two months of erosion of civil liberties and economic harm, and dead people?

I have a hard time believing this post doesn't come with some fairly hilarious punchline, and I sincerely mean that. I hope it's a good one :)

Quote from: Shasarak;1131945You support the riots because they are working?

Can you unpack that a little more?

I'm neither in the US, not trechiron, but ...

I'm not sure if I can say I support the riots, but I also can't blame people for rioting. Anyone who wants to deny that race relations in the US are completely fucked up is either incredibly stupid or just trolling. Your rate of incarceration is absurd, especially of blacks. The mentality within many police forces that the police are at war with a segment of society, rather than ther to serve and protect, results in shit outcomes. And it appears that black males suffer the worst as a result of this. Rightly or wrongly, many African Americans feel a genuine fear at any interaction with police.

Something needs to be done. It's not as simple as saying the problem is caused by the police, and it isn't purely a matter of racism against blacks by white Americans but, whatever the underlying causes, it's a massive issue that needs to be dealt with. Unfortunatley, a very large segment of US society clearly wants to just ignore the issue, or deny it exists.

Kaepernick tried a peaceful protest that caused no disruption, and was widely ridiculed. Apparently numerous members of the therpgsite believe that any company that sees a problem is merely virtue signalling. Deny the problem, stick your head in the sand, ridicule or ignore those who try to encourage change.

Eventually, violent protest becomes the only outlet that has a chance of getting people to take the situation seriously. And I agree 100% with trechiron that the responses here on therpgsite ridiculing people supporting change are fucking disgusting.

Quote from: Razor 007;1131934"I" do not support BLM in any way, and now I'll never do any business with D&D Beyond.

Wizards of the Coast is currently doing to the D&D IP what Kathleen Kennedy did to Star Wars.

Raping it to shreds and then rolling it in shit, defiling modern fictional heroes and worlds in the name of a leftist/Marxist culture war.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131955I'm neither in the US, not trechiron, but ...

I'm not sure if I can say I support the riots, but I also can't blame people for rioting. Anyone who wants to deny that race relations in the US are completely fucked up is either incredibly stupid or just trolling. Your rate of incarceration is absurd, especially of blacks. The mentality within many police forces that the police are at war with a segment of society, rather than ther to serve and protect, results in shit outcomes. And it appears that black males suffer the worst as a result of this. Rightly or wrongly, many African Americans feel a genuine fear at any interaction with police.

Something needs to be done. It's not as simple as saying the problem is caused by the police, and it isn't purely a matter of racism against blacks by white Americans but, whatever the underlying causes, it's a massive issue that needs to be dealt with. Unfortunatley, a very large segment of US society clearly wants to just ignore the issue, or deny it exists.

Kaepernick tried a peaceful protest that caused no disruption, and was widely ridiculed. Apparently numerous members of the therpgsite believe that any company that sees a problem is merely virtue signalling. Deny the problem, stick your head in the sand, ridicule or ignore those who try to encourage change.

Eventually, violent protest becomes the only outlet that has a chance of getting people to take the situation seriously. And I agree 100% with trechiron that the responses here on therpgsite ridiculing people supporting change are fucking disgusting.

You aren't "supporting change".  You are supporting instigators of violence under the guises of helping people.  The same instigators that have been playing this stupid ass tricks for decades--in some cases, while being in complete control of some of the worst locations for all that time.  If you really believe what you said, you are one of Stalin's "useful idiots".  

I'm done with gamer useful idiots.  From now on, none of your type will get any interaction from me at all.  You are beneath contempt.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1131962You aren't "supporting change".  You are supporting instigators of violence under the guises of helping people.  The same instigators that have been playing this stupid ass tricks for decades--in some cases, while being in complete control of some of the worst locations for all that time.  If you really believe what you said, you are one of Stalin's "useful idiots".  

I'm done with gamer useful idiots.  From now on, none of your type will get any interaction from me at all.  You are beneath contempt.

I was going to say I'm a long way from a communist but, given that I live in a country that is a Social Democracy, I probably am by your standards.

In any event, you shit on a segment of your population and make them feel like their concerns are ignored, eventually some of them are going to decide they have no choice but to fight back. Like I side, I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to say I support them, but I do have a degree of empathy. These aren't people encouraging violence in response to someone being abrasive on twitter, it's in response to what they wee (with at least some justification) as institutionally supported murder.

Now that the point has been made, and I assume there are fewer people burying their heads in the sand and placing all the blame on the rioters, I can see two things that have to happen:

1. The authorities have to avoid escalating. That may require people with authority to limit the damage Trump can do.
2. The people that actually want change and are genuinely working to bring it about need to rein in their violent elements and push for a move to peaceful protest.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131955Something needs to be done. It's not as simple as saying the problem is caused by the police, and it isn't purely a matter of racism against blacks by white Americans but, whatever the underlying causes, it's a massive issue that needs to be dealt with. Unfortunatley, a very large segment of US society clearly wants to just ignore the issue, or deny it exists.

I lean towards doing nothing because it's so easy to make things worse. I've noticed that people with the strongest feelings about these issues tend to have the worst ideas for how to improve things.

E.g. BLMers seem to think that demonizing police will improve the ability of police departments to recruit quality people, and that encouraging external locus of control and even paranoia/conspiracy thinking in blacks will improve their performance in society.

Quote from: Libramarian;1131966I lean towards doing nothing because it's so easy to make things worse. I've noticed that people with the strongest feelings about these issues tend to have the worst ideas for how to improve things.

E.g. BLMers seem to think that demonizing police will improve the ability of police departments to recruit quality people, and that encouraging external locus of control and even paranoia/conspiracy thinking in blacks will improve their performance in society.

Yeah, I see people saying, "Police joining the protests isn't good enough, if they were really serious they would quit," as if having no police at all would help anyone.

I don't have answers, and I'm not in the right country for my opinion to matter. I generally have no interest in engaging in political debate online. I was just shocked to see the general conensus in these threads being that the only problem is the rioting, and that anyone who thinks that maybe something should be done about the underlying issues is far left virtue-signalling freak (and, for the record, I do believe virtue signalling is a very real thing that serves no purpose other than to make the signaller feel good about themselves, usually while it actually undermines the cause they claim to be supporting).

I know my Canadian city regularly recruits police officers from the UK. I don't know who in their right mind would want to be a cop in a major US city.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131955I'm neither in the US, not trechiron, but ...

I'm not sure if I can say I support the riots, but I also can't blame people for rioting. Anyone who wants to deny that race relations in the US are completely fucked up is either incredibly stupid or just trolling. Your rate of incarceration is absurd, especially of blacks. The mentality within many police forces that the police are at war with a segment of society, rather than ther to serve and protect, results in shit outcomes. And it appears that black males suffer the worst as a result of this. Rightly or wrongly, many African Americans feel a genuine fear at any interaction with police.

For the sake of the discussion let us assume that I agree with everything that you say.  My question still remains, how exactly are the riots "working"?  What is the step between Step 1: Riot and Step 3: World Peace?

Quote from: Shasarak;1131970For the sake of the discussion let us assume that I agree with everything that you say.  My question still remains, how exactly are the riots "working"?  What is the step between Step 1: Riot and Step 3: World Peace?

You might have to wait a while for the NPC programming to be updated with a proper response to this question.

Quote from: Shasarak;1131970For the sake of the discussion let us assume that I agree with everything that you say.  My question still remains, how exactly are the riots "working"?  What is the step between Step 1: Riot and Step 3: World Peace?

I get the impression they have caused a lot of people to stop and pay attention and realise the seriousness of the whole situation, including many people who would otherwise have chosen to carry on in blissful ignorance. On the other hand, this thread shows there are plenty of people who still want to deny any underlying problems, and actually use the rioting as an excuse to ignore those problems, so maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not saying massive, peaceful protests couldn't have achieved the same thing. It's possible they could have. But they would have needed to be a on much larger scale to have the same impact. Best case I think is the growing awareness now causes some larger, peaceful protests to occur, as the rioting disipates. Of course, the worst case is escalating violence that solves nothing at all and actually makes the situation worse.

Quote from: Brad;1131973You might have to wait a while for the NPC programming to be updated with a proper response to this question.

I just love the ad hominems that come out the very first time I have anything political to say on this site. You honestly believe the fact that I think the US has massively fucked up race relations, and that riots are an inevitable consequence of their fucked up race relations, makes me a virtual signalling communist NPC?

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131976I get the impression they have caused a lot of people to stop and pay attention and realise the seriousness of the whole situation, including many people who would otherwise have chosen to carry on in blissful ignorance. On the other hand, this thread shows there are plenty of people who still want to deny any underlying problems, and actually use the rioting as an excuse to ignore those problems, so maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not saying massive, peaceful protests couldn't have achieved the same thing. It's possible they could have. But they would have needed to be a on much larger scale to have the same impact. Best case I think is the growing awareness now causes some larger, peaceful protests to occur, as the rioting disipates. Of course, the worst case is escalating violence that solves nothing at all and actually makes the situation worse.

My impression was that after the murder of George everyone was taking it seriously and then all the riots happened and now suddenly all of the anti-police sentiment has swung 180 and people are actually calling for a crack down by the police.

Quote from: Brad;1131973You might have to wait a while for the NPC programming to be updated with a proper response to this question.

I think you can see the Matrix glitching in real time.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131978I just love the ad hominems that come out the very first time I have anything political to say on this site. You honestly believe the fact that I think the US has massively fucked up race relations, and that riots are an inevitable consequence of their fucked up race relations, makes me a virtual signalling communist NPC?

You're advocating for rioting and violence, so I think pretty much any response you make cannot be anything other than retarded as fuck.

Quote from: Shasarak;1131979My impression was that after the murder of George everyone was taking it seriously and then all the riots happened and now suddenly all of the anti-police sentiment has swung 180 and people are actually calling for a crack down by the police.

That's possible. I wasn't following it that closely; initially, to me, it was just another random US black man killed by police, which has basically no bearing on my existence. It's unfortunate that we only get to do history once, so there's no way to confirm where an alternative path would have taken us. All we can do is assess the ultimate consequences of the path that was taken.

Quote from: Brad;1131982You're advocating for rioting and violence, so I think pretty much any response you make cannot be anything other than retarded as fuck.

I'm stating it's an inevitable consequence of a fucked up system that there has been no serious desire to fix. Not taking it seriously andworking to fix it before it gets to this point is far more retarded.

I've never supported D&D BEYOND and now I never will.

Fuck their moralist bullshit.

No Lives Matter.

There, I said it.

We're all humans at the end of the day, and humans are some of the sickest and most vile creatures no matter the race or ethnicity.

There's a reason why we're the dominant species, and it's not just because of sapience, pose-able thumbs, or tool working.

It's all that combined with the fact we're some of the most sicko motherfuckers in the wild.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944I support the riots because they're working.

They're certainly working to get black owned buisnesses burned to the ground. Their homes are on fire. Their communities will be decades rebuilding. And they're adding to the body count.

I have yet to hear a single person defend Derek Chauvin or what he did. I have heard George Floyd's family condemn the riots.

I'm not a gun guy, but this past weekend I seriously considered buying a shotgun in case the looting spread to my neighborhood. That's all the riots mean to me. Am I going to have the balls to shoot another human being if I have to?

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131967I don't have answers, and I'm not in the right country for my opinion to matter. I generally have no interest in engaging in political debate online. I was just shocked to see the general conensus in these threads being that the only problem is the rioting, and that anyone who thinks that maybe something should be done about the underlying issues is far left virtue-signalling freak (and, for the record, I do believe virtue signalling is a very real thing that serves no purpose other than to make the signaller feel good about themselves, usually while it actually undermines the cause they claim to be supporting).

I've seen this knee on the subject manuver by police on people of all races. White, hispanic, black. It's a terrible tactic and somebody was going to get killed.

I've heard lots of different assertations. That the riots are being instigated by Antifa. That the riots are being instigated by the Klan to frame the protesters. That it's being enabled by the police in order to create fear and approval of harsher policing.
That's it's people taking advantage of the situation to go on a looting spree.
I'm sitting that one out until there's a lot more information. I tend to think all could possibly be true at the same time.

It's hard to come up with a solution when we don't even really know what the problem is yet. Police violence by this individual officer, certainly is a problem, but past that, it's a whirlwind of craziness out there right now.

This is a weird thing to get mad over. Someone got strangled to death over 10 minutes and you're upset about BLM getting a shoutout?

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1131993This is a weird thing to get mad over. Someone got strangled to death over 10 minutes and you're upset about BLM getting a shoutout?

I'm mad at everyone.

George Floyd was violently murdered by thugs wearing badges, and then a separate group of thugs decided to use that grave injustice to go looting and rioting.

And then commie punk thugs decided to exploit Floyd's murder to spread looting and rioting across the entire country, making it worse.

Get ready because it's probably gonna get worse before it gets better, assuming it'll get better at all.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1131987I'm not a gun guy, but this past weekend I seriously considered buying a shotgun in case the looting spread to my neighborhood. That's all the riots mean to me. Am I going to have the balls to shoot another human being if I have to?

Gun sales are booming. Once the 'stay in place' orders began, gun stores started a brisk business. Then it started to die down a  bit, and then Congress okayed the $1200 checks. Folks at two gun stores nearby told me that people were spending their checks on guns. Some area gun stores had to shut down for a short time, not for safety of employees, but because they were running out of stock and had to do fresh inventories of loads of new guns. I am sure there will be a fresh mad rush this week.

I am on the outskirts of Portlandia, too. A lot of my liberal leaning neighbors are quietly stocking up on ammo and extra firearms. Our state governor apparently refused the mayor of Portlandia twice to call in the National Guard, and just a few hours ago gave the okay for just 50. I imagine those shop owners that had their shops looted will be visiting their local gun dealers as well.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131978I just love the ad hominems that come out the very first time I have anything political to say on this site. You honestly believe the fact that I think the US has massively fucked up race relations, and that riots are an inevitable consequence of their fucked up race relations, makes me a virtual signalling communist NPC?

Part of the problem is that police brutality has become highly politicized and polarized in the US, with the media stoking racial tensions to the point where people on one side have become fed up or apathetic, while people on the other have become increasingly violent and unhinged. People from other races get killed by the police as well, but the media almost never reports on it. But every time a black guy gets killed they report on it 24/7 because outrage brings clicks, and few things generate as much outrage as implying that the reason black people get killed by the police is specifically because of racism (ignore all the white people who also get killed by the police), rather than maybe because the US has an issue with police brutality and accountability in general (which I agree is an issue, and it's bound to continue to escalate if not resolved).

Matters ain't helped by activists who spread misinformation, like the now debunked "Hands up, don't shoot!" of Mike Brown from Ferguson, or peddle selective statistics, like the idea that black people are only 13% of the US population but 30% of those killed by the police, but ignore that black people also commit around 50% of the violent crimes (including attacks on police and homicides), which might explain why they have more encounters with the police. And all of this just adds to the polarization to the point where neither side wants to hear the other side. One side comes with the premade assumption that the other side are a bunch of racists who want to see black people killed, and the other side comes with the premade assumption that the other side are lying race hustlers.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1132003Part of the problem is that police brutality has become highly politicized and polarized in the US, with the media stoking racial tensions to the point where people on one side have become fed up or apathetic, while people on the other have become increasingly violent and unhinged. People from other races get killed by the police as well, but the media almost never reports on it. But every time a black guy gets killed they report on it 24/7 because outrage brings clicks, and few things generate as much outrage as implying that the reason black people get killed by the police is specifically because of racism (ignore all the white people who also get killed by the police), rather than maybe because the US has an issue with police brutality and accountability in general (which I agree is an issue, and it's bound to continue to escalate if not resolved).

Matters ain't helped by activists who spread misinformation, like the now debunked "Hands up, don't shoot!" of Mike Brown from Ferguson, or peddle selective statistics, like the idea that black people are only 13% of the US population but 30% of those killed by the police, but ignore that black people also commit around 50% of the violent crimes (including attacks on police and homicides), which might explain why they have more encounters with the police. And all of this just adds to the polarization to the point where neither side wants to hear the other side. One side comes with the premade assumption that the other side are a bunch of racists who want to see black people killed, and the other side comes with the premade assumption that the other side are lying race hustlers.

I certainly agree that, once people can agree that there is a problem, this kind of nuanced perspective is going to be required of all sides before some kind of solution can be found.

While I'm not personally invested in the specifics of what's going on the US at the emoment, I am concerned that both the US and UK seem to be slowly falling apart due to internal divisions, and it's not in my best interests for the Anglo hegemony of the past centuries to collapse. Australia sure as hell won't be stepping into any power vacuum.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131955I'm not sure if I can say I support the riots, but I also can't blame people for rioting. Anyone who wants to deny that race relations in the US are completely fucked up is either incredibly stupid or just trolling.

Race relations aren't completely fucked in the USA. The media is desperate to portray that at every moment, but its not actually true for most people in their daily lives. The media does want a race war and loves to stoke racial division, but most Americans tolerate each other. Some even like each other. Unfortunately, race relations have been harmed by the media and the rise of social media has been a bane for so many social issues, of which race relations is just one.

And now, the riots will cause far greater damage to race relations. But not how the media and the Left would like. Latinos are not happy with the violent cops either, but riots destroying family businesses are unacceptable. I won't be surprised if Latinos secure Trump's 2nd term based on the riots.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131955Apparently numerous members of the therpgsite believe that any company that sees a problem is merely virtue signalling. Deny the problem, stick your head in the sand, ridicule or ignore those who try to encourage change.

The companies supporting BLM are only virtue signalling because BLM seeks to achieve nothing but racial division. If companies wanted to affect change, they would support inner city education programs, hiring of ex-convicts, education and retraining of ex-convicts, daycare support for single parents returning to school, or inner city business investment programs. Those actions would matter to black lives.

That's why I posted about DonorsChoose.org. Anyone can find a classroom project they support in a school they support and help them directly. Want to fight injustice? Do something directly positive for the life of a child.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site.

You're welcome!

Now please explain how what I posted was either "entitled" or "racist".

Quote from: trechriron;1131944I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working.

How much will the riots be "working" if BLM's finest hold a "peaceful protest" in your neighborhood?

But let's talk about race riots. What do you think is really going to be the long term outcome?

The 1992 LA riots achieved nothing positive for the black community. The riots left burnt out stores which lead to abandoned strip malls which were left fallow for a decade or more. That was economically devastating for the black community. The middle class flight from LA might have been good for realtors, but nobody else. Race relations in LA were severely damaged, except everybody developed respect for LA's Korean Americans.

Maybe the 2020 outcome will be vastly different, but I doubt it.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

When I see business owners (of any flavor) weeping over the loss of their family's livelihood, that "nice knot" in my gut reminds me why Malcolm X warned black Americans to never trust the white liberal. Not your hero Talcum X. The real X.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1132022If companies wanted to affect change, they would support inner city education programs, hiring of ex-convicts, education and retraining of ex-convicts, daycare support for single parents returning to school, or inner city business investment programs. Those actions would matter to black lives.

I agree with this. What needs to be done to motivate people to do this? If there were easy answers, I guess it would have been done.

Maybe I'm wrong and race relations aren't fucked over there. But from an outside perspective, the whole slavery thing seems to hang over so much of American culture, and the effect it has taints the attitudes of both sides, albeit in different ways.

I do find the stark breakdown of society into two extremely loud fringe minorities seems to be a large part of the current problem. RPG.net has thrown their lot in with one extreme fringe, and I've gradually come to accept it's a lost cause as a site. TheRPGSite leans heavily towards the other side but, as is frequently pointed out, at least it's not closed to dissenting views.

I was just shocked to see two threads castigating companies for having what I considered a fairly non-controversial opinion -- that police violence against blacks in the US is a problem. But maybe it's just a police violence problem in general. The siege mentality and the fact the cops seem afraid in the first place is something that needs to be looked at and changed. The fact that a simple traffic stop seems to typically be treated as a life threatening situation is a sign that something is fundamentally broken somewhere (I'm not saying US Police Departments are wrong for treating traffic stops that way, just that, one way or another, that fact that they do is a sign of a fundamental problem somewhere, that needs to be addressed).

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1132029I was just shocked to see two threads castigating companies for having what I considered a fairly non-controversial opinion -- that police violence against blacks in the US is a problem.

You're confusing a movement with an opinion.

every year almost all american companies go through the routine flag-waving veterans' day hyper-patriotic drill. i have been bombed and shot at by american military. near city that i live american planes dropped cluster bombs (weapons shunned by most countries in the world) on hospital. in other town shrapnel tore priests head off - target was local bridge used almost exclusively by civilians. children were burned to death in their homes and in trains, trucks and cars. yet i game with americans and buy american products. why not? it is not about me agreeing with some company going through jingoistic motions. it is about my own beliefs and what i know to be right and, on the other hand, about me having some fun.

this histrionics about support for BLM is entitled snowflake-ishens of epic proportions. but i agree up to a point: they should have donated to black panthers.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1132023You're welcome!

Now please explain how what I posted was either "entitled" or "racist".




How much will the riots be "working" if BLM's finest hold a "peaceful protest" in your neighborhood?

But let's talk about race riots. What do you think is really going to be the long term outcome?

The 1992 LA riots achieved nothing positive for the black community. The riots left burnt out stores which lead to abandoned strip malls which were left fallow for a decade or more. That was economically devastating for the black community. The middle class flight from LA might have been good for realtors, but nobody else. Race relations in LA were severely damaged, except everybody developed respect for LA's Korean Americans.

Maybe the 2020 outcome will be vastly different, but I doubt it.




When I see business owners (of any flavor) weeping over the loss of their family's livelihood, that "nice knot" in my gut reminds me why Malcolm X warned black Americans to never trust the white liberal. Not your hero Talcum X. The real X.

i also fully agree with brother malcolm. for too long have liberal elites diffused rightous anger of the people.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1132029I was just shocked to see two threads castigating companies for having what I considered a fairly non-controversial opinion -- that police violence against blacks in the US is a problem. But maybe it's just a police violence problem in general. The siege mentality and the fact the cops seem afraid in the first place is something that needs to be looked at and changed. The fact that a simple traffic stop seems to typically be treated as a life threatening situation is a sign that something is fundamentally broken somewhere (I'm not saying US Police Departments are wrong for treating traffic stops that way, just that, one way or another, that fact that they do is a sign of a fundamental problem somewhere, that needs to be addressed).

From the outside it looks like American police are a brutal occupying force who don't even have a nodding acquaintance with the concept of policing by consent.

Also, there is no one standard in the US of what you have to do to be a policeman, especially interesting is that you can't join some forces if you score too highly on the intelligence test.

DND beyond - it's a tool, as someone pointed out above someone thought to shift some dice tacked on to the current situation. Truly, it is an ill wind that blows nobody any good.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site. Nice troll bro.

I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

Fucking shit-hammock.

Honest question if it was your home and business being burned down to the ground would you be still be virtue signalling at the top of the highest rooftops.

You would be screaming bloody murder at how unfair it is and how did this happen because you thought your virtue signalling would some kind of shield against rioters.

You fucking disingenuous jump on the BLM bandwagon because it's cool motherfucker.

can we stop assuming how people would act in situation like that? because you know some might have been there and acted like normal and rational humanoids and not like hulk caricature.

Their was no good reason for George Floyd to have died none so save your breath.

At the same time go to hell if you think the rioting and looting is going to do anything for the BLM cause. Everyone is for the BLM cause right up until they get targeted by rioters and looters because guess what they don't give a crap
how much you virtue signal. They will attack you and/or loot and burn your business.

I love how whites especially armchair terrorists and anarchists think it's a good thing. I hope someone you know or even your family business is targeted and burned to the ground.  I'm done and fed up. They want to support violence and looting why should I care if it happens to one or the other.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site. Nice troll bro.

I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

Fucking shit-hammock.

Support Riots? Let's stage one in your neighborhood then. PM me your Addy.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132060can we stop assuming how people would act in situation like that? because you know some might have been there and acted like normal and rational humanoids and not like hulk caricature.

Unfortunately the peaceful protests are being buried under those where people riot and loot. So while I agree not every person protesting is a Hulk caricature the media seems dead set on showing the violent side of the protests.

supporting looting and burning and being like "yeah, i can understand pent up anger and hostility and the fact that as doctor king said riots are voice of the voiceless" is different. so, i can really piss on from a great height on every armchair vigilante that jerks off on the idea of shooting people in streets.

Quote from: JeffB;1132064Support Riots? Let's stage one in your neighborhood then. PM me your Addy.

Don't you know it's ok for everyone else business and home to be destroyed and looted and those inside attacked. No one better do the same to Trechriron because of reasons and feels.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132066supporting looting and burning and being like "yeah, i can understand pent up anger and hostility and the fact that as doctor king said riots are voice of the voiceless" is different. so, i can really piss on from a great height on every armchair vigilante that jerks off on the idea of shooting people in streets.

I am not for shooting people in the streets yet don't come here and give me the bullshit on how looting and rioting helps the BLM cause. It's easy to say that when it's not their home, business and them being attacked.

i am now speaking of usa society but it might also relate to any other society in the world: if your only law is strenght then you should be afraid that there will be someone stronger then you. it doesn't help of course but here we are.

small business owner was killed by the police in louisville. he was inside his own shop. they claimed that someone was shooting at them from the shop yet their body-cams were mysteriously off. maybe it is not only looters you should be afraid of.

Quote from: trechriron;1131944I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working.

Then you support this;

Police Chief breaks down describing how BLM rioters set fire to a home with children in it and then blocked the fire department from rescuing the children (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/pure-evil-police-chief-breaks-describing-richmond-leftist-rioters-torched-home-children-inside-blocked-fire-department-video/)

Officers on scene were able to rescue the children, but BLM wanted them to burn alive.

The only thing these protests are working to accomplish is getting law-abiding Americans to want these animals put down and with increasingly less concern for the fates of the idiots and dupes standing next to the evildoers.

To keep this marginally on topic, I'll never buy from DriveThruRPG again and I'll borrow secondhand 5e books should I ever need to play it. Likewise, I don't care if it hurts sales of my system when it launches, I'll never list it on DriveThruRPG.

If you support Antifa or BLM at this stage, you deserve to share their fates.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132073small business owner was killed by the police in louisville. he was inside his own shop. they claimed that someone was shooting at them from the shop yet their body-cams were mysteriously off. maybe it is not only looters you should be afraid of.

And a black federal officer, and a black business owner were killed by the violence of the rioters over the weekend, so you want to play tit for tat with lives? Didn't their Black Lives Matter, too?

what part of not only you failed to grasp?

Quote from: trechriron;1131944This is some of the most entitled racist shit I've ever read here on the site. Nice troll bro.

I support Black Lives Matters. I support the riots because they're working. Look at your man-baby ass spewing your bullshit all over the site. Obviously tweaked a nice knot in your panties heh?

Fucking shit-hammock.

Everything is raciiiiiiist! Everything's a problem when you're on the Left! Everything is raciiist, when you're morally bereft!

Quote from: Chris24601;1132075Then you support this;

Police Chief breaks down describing how BLM rioters set fire to a home with children in it and then blocked the fire department from rescuing the children (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/pure-evil-police-chief-breaks-describing-richmond-leftist-rioters-torched-home-children-inside-blocked-fire-department-video/)

Officers on scene were able to rescue the children, but BLM wanted them to burn alive.

The only thing these protests are working to accomplish is getting law-abiding Americans to want these animals put down and with increasingly less concern for the fates of the idiots and dupes standing next to the evildoers.

To keep this marginally on topic, I'll never buy from DriveThruRPG again and I'll borrow secondhand 5e books should I ever need to play it. Likewise, I don't care if it hurts sales of my system when it launches, I'll never list it on DriveThruRPG.

If you support Antifa or BLM at this stage, you deserve to share their fates.

literally fake news.

i am also sickened by these fantasies. you live in a country in which nazi can walk into church and gun down people just because they are black and nothing comparable happened to your community and you still have to paint yourself as victims.

i mean there is 30% unemployment and police brutality has gone unchecked for decades and you have to spin fantastic idiocies about ANTIFA or BLM.

i mean this is state of the nation today. everybody is painting themselves as victims and playing identity card while your country is run by habitual liar billionaire oligarch that embodies "paranoid style in american politics". get your act together.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132079literally fake news.

i am also sickened by these fantasies. you live in a country in which nazi can walk into church and gun down people just because they are black and nothing comparable happened to your community and you still have to paint yourself as victims.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132080i mean there is 30% unemployment and police brutality has gone unchecked for decades and you have to spin fantastic idiocies about ANTIFA or BLM.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132082i mean this is state of the nation today. everybody is painting themselves as victims and playing identity card while your country is run by habitual liar billionaire oligarch that embodies "paranoid style in american politics". get your act together.

Settle down, Beavis...

i am not up in arms because company doesn't pander to my political sensibilities.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132088i am not up in arms because company doesn't pander to my political sensibilities.

Who is doing that? All I see if some people essentially saying fuck D&D Beyond because they're pandering to morons. Vote with your dollars.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132079literally fake news.

So fake that it's found here;

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/31/its-unacceptable-richmond-police-chief-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-protests/ (https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/31/its-unacceptable-richmond-police-chief-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-protests/)
and here
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/police-chief-details-emotional-rescue-amid-richmond-riot (https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/police-chief-details-emotional-rescue-amid-richmond-riot)
and here
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/)

But I guess the local nbc and cbs affiliates and the New York Post just made it all up complete with a staged video.

Or maybe the people telling you it's fake have their own agenda for lying to you.

Quote from: Chris24601;1132092So fake that it's found here;

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/31/its-unacceptable-richmond-police-chief-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-protests/ (https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/31/its-unacceptable-richmond-police-chief-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-protests/)
and here
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/police-chief-details-emotional-rescue-amid-richmond-riot (https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/police-chief-details-emotional-rescue-amid-richmond-riot)
and here
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/)

But I guess the local nbc and cbs affiliates and the New York Post just made it all up complete with a staged video.

Or maybe the people telling you it's fake have their own agenda for lying to you.

It's inconvenient for redditards to come to grips with the fact that a pseudo-legitimate protest has been taken over by actual terrorists.

Please don't cloud the issue with proof and facts! That's fake news!

Quote from: Shasarak;1131945You support the riots because they are working?

Can you unpack that a little more?

This is a Boston Tea Party moment, peaceful protests, that have been going on for years got slammed, attacked, denigrated.  Ok, peaceful protest doesn't work, at all, that's the message that was sent, again and again, is it any wonder that some decide that if peace doesn't achieve anything violence might?

you wouldn't know actual terrorist if he bit you on the ass.

I sympathize with Floyd's family. What happened to him is not correct and justice will be done. HOWEVER, the outrage surrounding his death is being used to promote violence and looting. He's family already told people to stop and rioters won't listen. I think we need the army in NY, PA, and DC ASAP. All they're doing is destroying, burning and looting. This won't help with the reform they're demanding, it will only increase racial tensions. I'm not taking part in this charity because I can't trust BLM. It's like adding fuel to the fire. I love America, these people are destroying everything people worked hard for. That's not right!

Quote from: Chris24601;1132092So fake that it's found here;

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/31/its-unacceptable-richmond-police-chief-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-protests/ (https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/31/its-unacceptable-richmond-police-chief-gets-emotional-while-talking-about-protests/)
and here
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/police-chief-details-emotional-rescue-amid-richmond-riot (https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/police-chief-details-emotional-rescue-amid-richmond-riot)
and here
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/)

But I guess the local nbc and cbs affiliates and the New York Post just made it all up complete with a staged video.

Or maybe the people telling you it's fake have their own agenda for lying to you.

i wouldn't touch nypost with a shit-stick. btw, it is still fake news and even more fake is the way it is used and abused.

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CNN's been covering it 24/7 with live video of riots. You can see what's going on with your own eyes.

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the same idiocy was used against king.

i mean this outsider agitator drivel is bunch of mississippi burning style shit.

Quote from: sureshot;1132062Their was no good reason for George Floyd to have died none so save your breath.

At the same time go to hell if you think the rioting and looting is going to do anything for the BLM cause. Everyone is for the BLM cause right up until they get targeted by rioters and looters because guess what they don't give a crap
how much you virtue signal. They will attack you and/or loot and burn your business.

I love how whites especially armchair terrorists and anarchists think it's a good thing. I hope someone you know or even your family business is targeted and burned to the ground.  I'm done and fed up. They want to support violence and looting why should I care if it happens to one or the other.

and I hope the cops murder you for kicks, as they do daily.

Quote from: Taggie;1132107and I hope the cops murder you for kicks, as they do daily.

Wow, what a great comment!

So we have a redditor who came out of the woodwork to spread propaganda and a brand new user who wants people to die for having a different opinion. Banner day on ye olde rpgsite.

Quote from: Brad;1132109Wow, what a great comment!

So we have a redditor who came out of the woodwork to spread propaganda and a brand new user who wants people to die for having a different opinion. Banner day on ye olde rpgsite.

unlike natives who just hope your house burns to the ground. shoot them in the leg!

Quote from: Brad;1132109Wow, what a great comment!

So we have a redditor who came out of the woodwork to spread propaganda and a brand new user who wants people to die for having a different opinion. Banner day on ye olde rpgsite.

you oppose BLm, you are supporting the out of control psychopaths, thugs and killers that call themselves the police, you want them to keep on killing for fun? Fine you first.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131955I'm neither in the US ... Anyone who wants to deny that race relations in the US are completely fucked up is either incredibly stupid or just trolling.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131983I wasn't following it that closely

You gotta wonder where this guy gets his "news", since he obviously has no clue as to what the U.S. is like. Always hilarious when someone begins by an admission of having zero actual experience in a matter, and then a sentence later claims anyone who disagrees with his wild assertion is "stupid".

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1131955to me, it was just another random US black man

Those who classify people only by the color of their skin ... there's a word for that I'm sure.

Quote from: Zalman;1132119You gotta wonder where this guy gets his "news", since he obviously has no clue as to what the U.S. is like. Always hilarious when someone begins by an admission of having zero actual experience in a matter, and then a sentence later claims anyone who disagrees with his wild assertion is "stupid".

you know there are widespread riots? just checking.

btw, for the record i think they are getting better and that is why whiny stonewall jackson dead dick sucking cousins of confederacy are coming out of the woodworks. this kind of police abuse thirty years ago would go unpunished by courts and institutions.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132114unlike natives who just hope your house burns to the ground. shoot them in the leg!

Nahh, two to the chest, one to the dome. Gotta keep it clean and effective.

Quote from: Taggie;1132116you oppose BLm, you are supporting the out of control psychopaths, thugs and killers that call themselves the police, you want them to keep on killing for fun? Fine you first.

That escalated quickly!

Quote from: Brad;1132121Nahh, two to the chest, one to the dome. Gotta keep it clean and effective.

i was just doing a biden joke not trying to provoke any explicit fantasies.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1132029I was just shocked to see two threads castigating companies for having what I considered a fairly non-controversial opinion -- that police violence against blacks in the US is a problem.

If you don't think this is a controversial opinion, then your sources are shockingly lacking. Are you sure you're not screening out that controversy so you don't have to consider it?

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1132029But maybe it's just a police violence problem in general.

Violence is a problem, period. The problem with police specifically is that they tend to get away with it more (and everyone agrees on that). Anyone who sees someone getting killed and looks only at their skin color for a reason ... again there's a word for that.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132120you know there are widespread riots? just checking.

So you think people rioting "proves" that systemic racism among police is a thing? That's your notion of "critical thinking"? Just checking.

Quote from: Zalman;1132126So you think people rioting "proves" that systemic racism among police is a thing? That's your notion of "critical thinking"? Just checking.

you think people are crazy and just want to loot and burn or do you think that they have some real problems. i tend to assume the former if people are ready to go out life and limb and face teargas and truncheons at best.

there is obviously a page that right is taking from left's playbook: false consciousness.

Quote from: Taggie;1132116you oppose BLm, you are supporting the out of control psychopaths, thugs and killers.

How can anyone argue with such amazing logic?

Quote from: ostap bender;1132127you think people are crazy and just want to loot and burn or do you think that they have some real problems.

Lots of people (like yourself) believe there are real problems. Of course, that doesn't prove the problem is real, only that you watch too much CNN. They're misguided and manipulated, but perfectly entitled to protest, speak out, etc.

Other people are obviously just there to burn and loot. Most of us can tell the difference.

Quote from: Zalman;1132130Lots of people (like yourself) believe there are real problems. Of course, that doesn't prove the problem is real, only that you watch too much CNN. They're misguided and manipulated, but perfectly entitled to protest, speak out, etc.

Other people are obviously just there to burn and loot. Most of us can tell the difference.

so it is coalition of stupid and evil people? i think that you have no real world experience with what is needed to push people into this kind of action.

All CNN does is show us, cable subscribers, what's going on in real time. So there's no mistake of what's going on. CNN is doing a incredible job in covering the reality of these riots gone wrong. CNN never said it's BLM behind the looting and fires. Leftists claim it's the right wing that's encouraging violence, etc... Pathetic if you ask me. Meanwhile cities are getting ransacked by opportunists as seen in live broadcasts through CNN. Left news channels won't show you the real picture, nor the right news channels. CNN sympathizes with the Floyd family and been helping them get justice. If wasn't for CNN coverage odds are charges would never been brought forward against that bad cop. The riots need to end now! It's not CNN manipulating the crowds, let's stop with nonsense accusations, see things for what they are.

Quote from: Zalman;1132129How can anyone argue with such amazing logic?

really simply, call for the arrest of the tens of thousands of criminals in uniform, and their cohorts under the RICO provisions, like any other massive, organised criminal conspiracy.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132135so it is coalition of stupid and evil people? i think that you have no real world experience with what is needed to push people into this kind of action.

I said "manipulated and misguided". That you need to change the words in order to launch an ad hominem attack is perfectly telling. By the way, telling people they have "no real world experience" makes you sound very young and naive.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132141All CNN does is show us, cable subscribers, what's going on in real time. So there's no mistake of what's going on.

Wow just wow on that one. Maybe you missed the Covington fiasco?

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132141CNN never said it's BLM behind the looting and fires. Leftists claim it's the right wing that's encouraging violence, etc... Pathetic if you ask me.

Agreed, making false claims is pathetic. It's pretty obvious who's instigating the looting, and they've even admitted it themselves. (Hint, it's not BLM). That doesn't change how I personally feel about BLM, since my opinion was never based on the false notion that they're the ones rioting.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132141CNN sympathizes with the Floyd family and been helping them get justice.

That's the weird part though: everyone "helping (or fighting) to get justice for Floyd. It's weird because he's already getting justice. The offenders were fired immediately, arrested two days later, and will eventually be tried by a court of law. It's a perfectly working system in action.

Quote from: Zalman;1132145I said "manipulated and misguided". That you need to change the words in order to launch an ad hominem attack is perfectly telling. By the way, telling people they have "no real world experience" makes you sound very young and naive.

nope, just survivor of a vicious civil war. and i have just clarified what you were saying: that those people can not think for themselves. you know unlike you who are not naive or manipulated but paragon of pure reason.

Quote from: Zalman;1132148Wow just wow on that one. Maybe you missed the Covington fiasco?


Agreed, making false claims is pathetic. It's pretty obvious who's instigating the looting, and they've even admitted it themselves. (Hint, it's not BLM). That doesn't change how I personally feel about BLM, since my opinion was never based on the false notion that they're the ones rioting.


That's the weird part though: everyone "helping (or fighting) to get justice for Floyd. It's weird because he's already getting justice. The offenders were fired immediately, arrested two days later, and will eventually be tried by a court of law. It's a perfectly working system in action.

those officers were prosecuted in good part because of blm and you are right twin cities moved quickly. but here we come to 30% unenmployment. this is more of a class then race division.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132127you think people are crazy and just want to loot and burn

Nothing heals racial tensions like stealing a nice cheesecake.

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I think there's a section of looters who are rioting just to be crazy and want to loot and burn. There are people like that out there.

Quote from: Taggie;1132099This is a Boston Tea Party moment, peaceful protests, that have been going on for years got slammed, attacked, denigrated.  Ok, peaceful protest doesn't work, at all, that's the message that was sent, again and again, is it any wonder that some decide that if peace doesn't achieve anything violence might?

This is so different from the Boston Tea Party that it's comical to make the association.

The party was organized to protest taxes. The riots were (ostsensibly) spontaneous reaction to the media coverage of a black man being killed by the police.
The peaceful protesters have been overshadowed by the looters, and have asked them to stop. Have said that they're not helping. That they're making things worse.
And they are. Black communities are being destroyed. The media are goading them on for ratings, and there seem to be lots of people taking advantage of the situation to push their own agendas.
Not least the government is using all this as an excuse (warranted, in my opinion) to curtail freedoms.

And the punchline is this will not change anything, except maybe to get us some more security theater like the TSA after 9/11.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132157This is so different from the Boston Tea Party that it's comical to make the association.

The party was organized to protest taxes. The riots were (ostsensibly) spontaneous reaction to the media coverage of a black man being killed by the police.
The peaceful protesters have been overshadowed by the looters, and have asked them to stop. Have said that they're not helping. That they're making things worse.
And they are. Black communities are being destroyed. The media are goading them on for ratings, and there seem to be lots of people taking advantage of the situation to push their own agendas.
Not least the government is using all this as an excuse (warranted, in my opinion) to curtail freedoms.

And the punchline is this will not change anything, except maybe to get us some more security theater like the TSA after 9/11.

You are right, the Tea Party was a bunch of traitors, smugglers and criminals  with no real grievance, just spoilt little rich boys crying.

Since peaceful protest have failed for years to achieve a damn thing, and have been criticised and attacked, in a lot of cases literally attacked by the police with no punishment for the attempted murder, maiming's and mutilations, violence was the only avenue left, some of it is misaimed, that's true, but burning down police stations? Excellent work for that one, burning the enemy out.

First off, I was never going to purchase these dice.  I already have table-top simulator and a friend has pro access to roll20.

Second, I hate this sort of garbage from corporations.  I was already fed up with all the bullshit "we're in this together" crap from COVID.

Third, it smacks of shameless profiteering because they are bandwagoning on a moment.  If they always gave some money from the sales to a particular charity I'd feel less gross about this.

Quote from: Taggie;1132158You are right, the Tea Party was a bunch of traitors, smugglers and criminals  with no real grievance, just spoilt little rich boys crying.

You were the one who brought them up as a comparison to the rioters.

QuoteSince peaceful protest have failed for years to achieve a damn thing, and have been criticised and attacked, in a lot of cases literally attacked by the police with no punishment for the attempted murder, maiming's and mutilations, violence was the only avenue left, some of it is misaimed, that's true, but burning down police stations? Excellent work for that one, burning the enemy out.

Like I said, it's only hurting their own communities. This will be taken as justification that more and harsher police tactics are warranted. And people will demand it out of fear.

These riots are a gift to the racists in America.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132161You were the one who brought them up as a comparison to the rioters.



Like I said, it's only hurting their own communities. This will be taken as justification that more and harsher police tactics are warranted. And people will demand it out of fear.

These riots are a gift to the racists in America.

Then what methods would have cleaned out the 15-20% of the police who are violent thugs, and the 60-70% who enable and cover for them?

Quote from: Taggie;1132099This is a Boston Tea Party moment, peaceful protests, that have been going on for years got slammed, attacked, denigrated.  Ok, peaceful protest doesn't work, at all, that's the message that was sent, again and again, is it any wonder that some decide that if peace doesn't achieve anything violence might?

BULLSHIT!  First of all no one was harmed in that dumping of tea.  Secondly the only things that were destroyed was the tea and a padlock.  Thirdly the patroits paid to replace that padlock.

They did not lose their shit and set everything on fire.  They most certainly did not go around and beat people up.  

Last Martin Luther King Jr. would disagree with you entirely.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1132163Last Martin Luther King Jr. would disagree with you entirely.

'But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard.
And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met.
And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquillity and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.'  -Martin Luther King April 14, 1967, in 'The Other America'

Quote from: Taggie;1132162Then what methods would have cleaned out the 15-20% of the police who are violent thugs, and the 60-70% who enable and cover for them?

First off, where do you get your numbers?

Second off, I have yet to see a police officer defend or excuse the killing. I have seen police officers condemn it, seen them march with protesters, and even those cops who kneeled to black people in solidarity.

Third off, the officer in question was fired and has been charged with murder. What more could anyone realistically ask for? Since we don't live in a magical world where no one ever acts badly, we have to make do with what we have.

From what I've heard, this officer had a terrible track record. An investigation into why he was in the force so long and how would be warranted. But an invesigation isn't as exciting as riots.

What an angry youth, what do they gain from so much destruction? What are their demands to begin with? Arson and looting is only sending one message, that these criminals belong in jail. What's next? That's not how reform works!

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132166First off, where do you get your numbers?

Second off, I have yet to see a police officer defend or excuse the killing. I have seen police officers condemn it, seen them march with protesters, and even those cops who kneeled to black people in solidarity.

Third off, the officer in question was fired and has been charged with murder. What more could anyone realistically ask for? Since we don't live in a magical world where no one ever acts badly, we have to make do with what we have.

From what I've heard, this officer had a terrible track record. An investigation into why he was in the force so long and how would be warranted. But an invesigation isn't as exciting as riots.

The use of RICO to bust all the co-conspirators that kept him in the police force, dozens, if not hundreds of cops going to jail, all involved in that action, the police filmed striking sat down protestors to be jailed for assault with a deadly weapon. those filmed dumping medical supplies taken of medics to be prosecuted for theft, those dragging people from peaceful crowds to be charged with kidnap, for the police to be shattered on the wheel, until the remaining few remember they are servants, not masters.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132167What an angry youth, what do they gain from so much destruction? What are their demands to begin with? Arson and looting is only sending one message, that these criminals belong in jail. What's next? That's not how reform works!

it worked for the founding fathers.

Quote from: JeffB;1131901Hmmmm.





Sadly,  they are stepping into a big pool of political shit going down this road.

What would be an objective indication that this has resulted in a "pool of political shit" for them? Do you expect their sales to drop by some measurable and meaningful amount? Go up? Lose some core fan promoters, or gain some?

Because I think it will be a blip which results in absolutely no meaningful impact on them one way or the other. But I am curious to hear your prediction.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1131924Can someone support BLM and be against riots?

Yes, of course they can. What a silly thing to even ask.

Quote from: Razor 007;1131934"I" do not support BLM in any way, and now I'll never do any business with D&D Beyond.

Big supporter of D&D Beyond before, were you?

Quote from: Taggie;1132169it worked for the founding fathers.

Those were different times. Tea party was a heroic act of patriotism. There's no patriotism in recent events, only anger and lust for destruction.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132166First off, where do you get your numbers?

Taggie is just making stuff up.
Actual facts aren't friendly to the "movement".

Quote from: DocJones;1132176Taggie is just making stuff up.
Actual facts aren't friendly to the "movement".

I was low balling based on the actions of police, as observed in daily life.

Quote from: DocJones;1132176Taggie is just making stuff up.
Actual facts aren't friendly to the "movement".

besides, the president has shown the way, just making stuff up wins elections, so why not copy a winning tactic?

WTF?

WotC has really embraced the wild left, presenting a real issue for those who don't support that wing.

How much does BLM care about D&D?

Quote from: Taggie;1132107and I hope the cops murder you for kicks, as they do daily.

Right back at you and yours Zoomer.

Except your dumb enough to try and start something with the police and get shot. I actually have common sense and survival skills and not escalate the situation with someone carrying a gun.

Quote from: Taggie;1132168The use of RICO to bust all the co-conspirators that kept him in the police force, dozens, if not hundreds of cops going to jail, all involved in that action, the police filmed striking sat down protestors to be jailed for assault with a deadly weapon. those filmed dumping medical supplies taken of medics to be prosecuted for theft, those dragging people from peaceful crowds to be charged with kidnap, for the police to be shattered on the wheel, until the remaining few remember they are servants, not masters.

Setting aside the hyperbole, I'd be fine with most of that. The police should be held responsible for their policing.

Now, how does burning down a tennament in a black neighborhood accomplish all that?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132187Setting aside the hyperbole, I'd be fine with most of that. The police should be held responsible for their policing.

Now, how does burning down a tennament in a black neighborhood accomplish all that?

The landlord gets pissed off, pulls strings at city hall, then shit flows downhill, all through the disgustingly corrupt network, until the sacrificial lambs get prosecuted.

Quote from: Taggie;1132164'But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard.
And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met.
And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquillity and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.'  -Martin Luther King April 14, 1967, in 'The Other America'

[video=youtube_share;_K0BWXjJv5s]https://youtu.be/_K0BWXjJv5s[/youtube]

Quote from: sureshot;1132182Right back at you and yours Zoomer.

Except your dumb enough to try and start something with the police and get shot. I actually have common sense and survival skills and not escalate the situation with someone carrying a gun.

so you only run a high risk of getting shot on police contact, for the sexual gratification of a psychopath in uniform

Quote from: Snowman0147;1132190[video=youtube_share;_K0BWXjJv5s]https://youtu.be/_K0BWXjJv5s[/youtube]

yup, he preached a system that has failed for over 50 years, then at the end acknowledged the only way that works

The fucked up things in all of these protests are:

1. Americans will never see a $600 /wk stimulus check again. When people have too much free time in their hands this sort of shit happens. Now the whole nation suffer because of a few criminals. Technically all these protesters are collection unemployment benefits + the Covid stimulus aid. In other words, the government is paying them to do this shit.

2. Businesses that were already struggling, will have to start from zero due to arsons and looting. If the government covers their costs, or cities get suede for lack of security, etc... ultimately the burden is passed on to the taxpayer.

3. It will take as many as 15+ years for the economy to recover from covid and riot crisis. America is in trouble, where are these kids parents!? Why aren't they being grounded!?

Quote from: Taggie;1132188The landlord gets pissed off, pulls strings at city hall, then shit flows downhill, all through the disgustingly corrupt network, until the sacrificial lambs get prosecuted.

And none of your suggestions are implemented.

Riot Away then! I'm sure a looted flatscreen TV is appropriate compensation for the death of a black man by police brutality.

Just a bunch of peaceful protestors being harassed by cops, right guise? (https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/metro-sources-metro-officer-shot-in-the-head-at-circus-circus-working-another-shooting-in-front-of-federal-courthouse/)

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132195The fucked up things in all of these protests are:

1. Americans will never see a $600 /wk stimulus check again. When people have too much free time in their hands this sort of shit happens. Now the whole nation suffer because of a few criminals. Technically all these protesters are collection unemployment benefits + the Covid stimulus aid. In other words, the government is paying them to do this shit.

2. Businesses that were already struggling, will have to start from zero due to arsons and looting. If the government covers their costs, or cities get suede for lack of security, etc... ultimately the burden is passed on to the taxpayer.

3. It will take as many as 15+ years for the economy to recover from covid and riot crisis. America is in trouble, where are these kids parents!? Why aren't they being grounded!?

Oh worst than that.  These fucking idiots just created a whole new generation of racists.  Hate begets hate and it is a viscious cycle.  If I was a BLM member I would quite the movement and cut ties from it.

Quote from: Taggie;1132191so you only run a high risk of getting shot on police contact, for the sexual gratification of a psychopath in uniform

That assumes every police officer is a bigoted, trigger happy loon. Which many are not. Given your trying to push a narrative insert the part about all of them being made from the same cloth or something similar.


I stand up for myself when Ineed to do so. I'm also not a complete idiot and start mouthing off and escalating the situation.

Quote from: Taggie;1132188The landlord gets pissed off, pulls strings at city hall, then shit flows downhill, all through the disgustingly corrupt network, until the sacrificial lambs get prosecuted.

More like, the landlord collects what insurance money he can, sells the property, and splits, and then it sits there vacant and useless.

Cool story bro.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132197And none of your suggestions are implemented.

Riot Away then! I'm sure a looted flatscreen TV is appropriate compensation for the death of a black man by police brutality.

They never would be implemented anyway, best you can do is do so much damage at least some bad cops go to jail (not sure their is such a thing as a good cop anyway)

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132197And none of your suggestions are implemented.

Riot Away then! I'm sure a looted flatscreen TV is appropriate compensation for the death of a black man by police brutality.

Agreed and seconded.

The only thing the armchair anarchist is going to be rioting with is how fast he can type and click from the safety of his home.

What happened to the America I knew!?
[video=youtube_share;Rr8ljRgcJNM]https://youtu.be/Rr8ljRgcJNM[/youtube]

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1132204More like, the landlord collects what insurance money he can, sells the property, and splits, and then it sits there vacant and useless.

Cool story bro.

Then people squat it, which is a much cheaper alternative then making a land lord rich, and the accommodation is about the same quality

Quote from: Taggie;1132205They never would be implemented anyway, best you can do is do so much damage at least some bad cops go to jail (not sure their is such a thing as a good cop anyway)

Cops don't go to jail because some nitwits stole a cheesecake.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1132181WTF?

WotC has really embraced the wild left, presenting a real issue for those who don't support that wing.

How much does BLM care about D&D?

Flip the question. How much does a small part (their dice are 100% profit - they're DIGITAL DICE sold for as much as $15 for one!) of a small time frame ( a single week) of a small element of their sales (they never were big on dice because they are silly) being devoted to this cause show how much D&D cares about BLM?

But BLM is not "the wild left". It's pretty fucking mainstream at this point. BLM is not itself rioting or Antifa.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132216Cops don't go to jail because some nitwits stole a cheesecake.

nope, they do when enough damage, enough cost has been inflicted that one or two is sacrificed to show 'something is being done' and the rest of the corrupt lot can carry on as normal, until the next time.

Quote from: Taggie;1132221nope, they do when enough damage, enough cost has been inflicted that one or two is sacrificed to show 'something is being done' and the rest of the corrupt lot can carry on as normal, until the next time.

Brave of you to sacrifice other people's children for your admittedly doomed-to-failure tactic.

[video=youtube_share;PM6nilWGQ9A]https://youtu.be/PM6nilWGQ9A[/youtube]

Quote from: Taggie;1132215Then people squat it, which is a much cheaper alternative then making a land lord rich, and the accommodation is about the same quality

Then some rich guy comes along cuts a deal with the city, evicts the squatters and builds on the ruins. You honestly think prime redd as l estate or decent rental estate is just going to remain ruins because you have so mastubatory sex fetish about the end of the world. Maybe in the imaginary worlds  populated inside your head.

Quote from: sureshot;1132226Then some rich guy comes along cuts a deal with the city, evicts the squatters and builds on the ruins. You honestly think prime redd as l estate or decent rental estate is just going to remain ruins because you have so mastubatory sex fetish about the end of the world. Maybe in the imaginary worlds  populated inside your head.

then you burn his shit to.  After all you don't get rich without paying you dues in raped kids to epsteins masters.

Quote from: Taggie;1132215Then people squat it, which is a much cheaper alternative then making a land lord rich, and the accommodation is about the same quality

Then it becomes a drug den which slowly starts killing black people everyday and in the long term far more than what the police had done.  Seriously are you stupid, or just a good friend to the KKK?  No seriously I want to know.  Are you stupid, or just racist?  You owe the forum at least that answer.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1132232Then it becomes a drug den which slowly starts killing black people everyday and in the long term far more than what the police had done.  Seriously are you stupid, or just a good friend to the KKK?  No seriously I want to know.  Are you stupid, or just racist?  You owe the forum at least that answer.

hahaah, not until all the conservatives here answer: are they rapists or paedophiles?  Seriously, that's the only reason for their entire belief system so which one?  You rape adults or kids?

Taggie is certainly looking like a title contender in the 2020 Edge Olympics. Keep it up, sport!

Quote from: Taggie;1132241hahaah, not until all the conservatives here answer: are they rapists or paedophiles?  Seriously, that's the only reason for their entire belief system so which one?  You rape adults or kids?

This is like the most pathetic troll I think I've ever seen...

Quote from: ostap bender;1132150this is more of a class then race division.

Agreed!

Quote from: Brad;1132252This is like the most pathetic troll I think I've ever seen...

seriously, which type of conservative are you, the kind that rapes adults, or the kind that rapes kids?

Quote from: Snowman0147;1132232Then it becomes a drug den which slowly starts killing black people everyday and in the long term far more than what the police had done.

the gangs are way less dangerous to have around than the cops, and if junkies want to kill themselves, let them.

It's very disheartening being online these days seeing so many people and so many businesses furthering the BLM lies which have been dividing the nation and encouraging violence and destruction. This entire controversy is a lie manufactured by the media, that lie being that black people are disproportionately the targets of unjustified police violence. In a country of over 300 million, the media can certainly find some sort of event where a black person is the victim of a white person and if they can use that to create a national scandal where cities are burned and our spineless leaders don't lift a finger to stop it, then what hope is there for the country?

I don't want to give any of my money to any business that supports this hate mongering and these lies, but honestly it's hard to find businesses who don't.

Quote from: ShieldWife;1132267It's very disheartening being online these days seeing so many people and so many businesses furthering the BLM lies which have been dividing the nation and encouraging violence and destruction. This entire controversy is a lie manufactured by the media, that lie being that black people are disproportionately the targets of unjustified police violence. In a country of over 300 million, the media can certainly find some sort of event where a black person is the victim of a white person and if they can use that to create a national scandal where cities are burned and our spineless leaders don't lift a finger to stop it, then what hope is there for the country?

I don't want to give any of my money to any business that supports this hate mongering and these lies, but honestly it's hard to find businesses who don't.

given the statistics, it is not a lie, at all. Hell just look at the way the armed, terrorist anti-lock down protestors where treated when they were storming into voting chambers to intimidate politicians, versus watching the early, peaceful anti-police protests getting tear gassed and baton charged, with people being pulled out at random by the police.  The only tragedy of this is how many more people will get sick.

It is going to get darker shield.  Once the military arrives those rioters will be wishing they stayed at home.  Of course if antifa, blm, and the mainstream media hadn't goaded this shit to happen we wouldn't be in this mess.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132141All CNN does is show us, cable subscribers, what's going on in real time. So there's no mistake of what's going on. CNN is doing a incredible job in covering the reality of these riots gone wrong. CNN never said it's BLM behind the looting and fires. Leftists claim it's the right wing that's encouraging violence, etc... Pathetic if you ask me. Meanwhile cities are getting ransacked by opportunists as seen in live broadcasts through CNN. Left news channels won't show you the real picture, nor the right news channels. CNN sympathizes with the Floyd family and been helping them get justice. If wasn't for CNN coverage odds are charges would never been brought forward against that bad cop. The riots need to end now! It's not CNN manipulating the crowds, let's stop with nonsense accusations, see things for what they are.

I think this is my favourite hot take right here.  CNN is just presenting the facts.  Nice one!

Quote from: Snowman0147;1132270It is going to get darker shield.  Once the military arrives those rioters will be wishing they stayed at home.  Of course if antifa, blm, and the mainstream media hadn't goaded this shit to happen we wouldn't be in this mess.

ohh ofc it isn't the extreme violence of the police, that has been an open cancerous sore for decades...noooo  could never be that.

You know those police officers had killed more whites than blacks per year?

Quote from: Taggie;1132269given the statistics, it is not a lie, at all. Hell just look at the way the armed, terrorist anti-lock down protestors where treated when they were storming into voting chambers to intimidate politicians, versus watching the early, peaceful anti-police protests getting tear gassed and baton charged, with people being pulled out at random by the police.  The only tragedy of this is how many more people will get sick.

It is indeed a lie. More whites are killed by the police than blacks. Blacks are killed at a higher proportional rate than whites, but they are actually killed at a lower rate in proportion to the rate at which they kill the police, at the rate at which they commit murder, at the rate at which they commit crimes in general. Under the same circumstances, on average, a cop is more likely to kill a white person than a black one. Of course, we can always find some cases where a black persons is unjustly killed or assaulted, though even then the media feeds us a constant stream of lies about hate crimes and such - then about the editing of George Zimmerman call to police, the selective and dishonest portrayal of Nick Sandman, the propagation of the "hands up don't shoot" lie with Michael Brown.

The media is generating a giant hoax on us and this mayhem is the result. Unfortunately, they are unlikely to be held responsible for their misdeeds.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1132270It is going to get darker shield.  Once the military arrives those rioters will be wishing they stayed at home.  Of course if antifa, blm, and the mainstream media hadn't goaded this shit to happen we wouldn't be in this mess.

Yeah I guess it will, in many places :(

I'm pretty thankful that I live in a decent "red state" that respects the rule of law, and that the police and state government moved to squash the 'protests' almost immediately so that it won't have to come to that here. It was amazing how quickly the BLM/Antifa/whatever leftist cowards scattered after just a few bean bag clobberings and pepper spray hosings :)

I'm also pretty thankful that I've never owned a copy of D&D later than 2nd edition advanced, so I don't really know what 'D&D Beyond' is, but I'm willing to take it on faith that it sucks regardless of what political positions 'it' takes.

Let me pull out statistics.

statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)

Quote from: ShieldWife;1132275It is indeed a lie. More whites are killed by the police than blacks. Blacks are killed at a higher proportional rate than whites, but they are actually killed at a lower rate in proportion to the rate at which they kill the police, at the rate at which they commit murder, at the rate at which they commit crimes in general. Under the same circumstances, on average, a cop is more likely to kill a white person than a black one. Of course, we can always find some cases where a black persons is unjustly killed or assaulted, though even then the media feeds us a constant stream of lies about hate crimes and such - then about the editing of George Zimmerman call to police, the selective and dishonest portrayal of Nick Sandman, the propagation of the "hands up don't shoot" lie with Michael Brown.

The media is generating a giant hoax on us and this mayhem is the result. Unfortunately, they are unlikely to be held responsible for their misdeeds.

At the higher rate they are framed and falsely convicted you mean, gotta cover for the ministers little 'accidental murders' and the senators 'little meals'

Quote from: Snowman0147;1132278Let me pull out statistics.

statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)

yup, way disproportionate.

Quote from: Taggie;1132279At the higher rate they are framed and falsely convicted you mean, gotta cover for the ministers little 'accidental murders' and the senators 'little meals'

If you are going to further such conspiracy theories, you need to provide some kind of evidence to justify them. All data for decades show that black people commit murders are a significantly higher rate than other racial groups. I will provide statistics on this if you desire. That means that it would be reasonable for them to be arrested at higher rates and so killed by police at higher rates than other demographics. If you are claiming that this is a giant conspiracy, you need to provide massive amounts of evidence because it is a truly massive claim.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;1132008While I'm not personally invested in the specifics of what's going on the US at the emoment, I am concerned that both the US and UK seem to be slowly falling apart due to internal divisions, and it's not in my best interests for the Anglo hegemony of the past centuries to collapse.

Don't worry, my son turns 13 tomorrow and he plans to restore the British Empire!

Quote from: Taggie;1132241hahaah, not until all the conservatives here answer: are they rapists or paedophiles?  Seriously, that's the only reason for their entire belief system so which one?  You rape adults or kids?

Not a lot of things cross the line on this site, but this certainly comes close. This thread is to talk about D&D Beyond, not the larger issue of BLM, or to throw around claims like this.

Taggie, don't post in this thread again.

Everyone else, keep on the very specific topic or you will be banned!

Actually, fuck it. Normally I don't believe in closing any threads, but since this thread is now 17 pages long and the last 16 pages had nothing at all to do with D&D beyond, I'm fucking closing this.

Also, Spinachat was the first one to make a post on this whole thread that was clearly and overtly moving off topic into general politics.
Therefore, Spinachat, consider this a WARNING. Do that again, anywhere, any time and you will be banned from this site.