Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 13, 2021, 12:33:20 PM

Quote from: Fantacide on November 13, 2021, 12:28:35 PM
but THEY have many according to that document. There are plenty of other games to sink my time and energy into.

Oh, fuck those guys... I just mean when you're at a table you should be a decent person.

Same as if I go over to someone's house for a drink. I'm going to be polite. That does'nt mean I won't speak my mind, however. 

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people incapable of differentiating between the two.

To add on, at one of my previous tables I would always argue with the GM but it was always in good fun. OTOH I've had tables where players exhibited strange or awkward behaviors even if they checked all politically correct boxes, and the others had to accommodate them. Then, I've also run games where there was outright hostility shown to me as the GM or to other players, even without breaking any of the political correctness rules.

That's why I rarely bring in socially awkward people, and why I don't do public games anymore. You cannot anticipate what shenanigans someone will bring to the table, especially if that person is a stranger. My rule of thumb is "Everyone is here to have fun, but don't have fun at someone else's expense", but I also recognize that "someone else's expense" will always differ from person to person.

To deviate even further, Zizek's thoughts on political correctness resonate with the type of people I have at my table:

https://goodman-games.com/blog/2021/11/15/more-details-on-the-dcc-rpg-9th-printing/

tl:dr =In addition, we've made a distinctive change to the interior of the book: the next printing of the Dungeon Crawl Classics softcover will feature updated text that has been adjusted to gender-neutral pronouns.

Quote from: mudbanks on November 15, 2021, 09:44:18 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 13, 2021, 12:33:20 PM

Quote from: Fantacide on November 13, 2021, 12:28:35 PM
but THEY have many according to that document. There are plenty of other games to sink my time and energy into.

Oh, fuck those guys... I just mean when you're at a table you should be a decent person.

Same as if I go over to someone's house for a drink. I'm going to be polite. That does'nt mean I won't speak my mind, however. 

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people incapable of differentiating between the two.

To add on, at one of my previous tables I would always argue with the GM but it was always in good fun. OTOH I've also had tables where players were insisted on hogging the spotlight. Then, I've also run games where there was no hostility, but one or two players were so awkward that the others had to accommodate their strange behaviors.

That's why I rarely bring in socially awkward people, and why I don't do public games anymore. You cannot anticipate what shenanigans someone will bring to the table, especially if that person is a stranger. My rule of thumb is "Everyone is here to have fun, but don't have fun at someone else's expense", but I also recognize that "someone else's expense" will always differ from person to person.

Me and all of my players are socially awkward people. I like to think of myself as the mayor of the Land of Misfit Toys. 

Quote from: dkabq on November 15, 2021, 09:50:46 PM
Me and all of my players are socially awkward people. I like to think of myself as the mayor of the Land of Misfit Toys. 

Yeah I know what you mean. I absolutely didn't mean any offence by that btw, I am far from an extrovert, but I just felt 'socially awkward' would be the best descriptor because I wouldn't know how else to bring up the type of people with really strange behaviors. We're talking about people who drift off halfway through the game, walk away from their seats while the DM is talking, have no intention of playing but just want to be part of the group, yell at others when things don't go their way, and the list goes on. I just think that if you want to be part of a group, playing a group-based game, you need to be at least minimally mindful of others at the table. If you have to deal with people that you don't like playing with, then the purpose of the game is moot because you won't have fun, which is why I believe why 'gatekeeping' is necessary to a degree. People in sports form teams with those that they like or click with, so why should we expect any different from RPG groups?

Quote from: mudbanks on November 15, 2021, 10:00:40 PM

Quote from: dkabq on November 15, 2021, 09:50:46 PM
Me and all of my players are socially awkward people. I like to think of myself as the mayor of the Land of Misfit Toys. 

Yeah I know what you mean. I absolutely didn't mean any offence by that btw, I am far from an extrovert, but I just felt 'socially awkward' would be the best descriptor because I wouldn't know how else to bring up the type of people with really strange behaviors. We're talking about people who drift off halfway through the game, walk away from their seats while the DM is talking, have no intention of playing but just want to be part of the group, yell at others when things don't go their way, and the list goes on. I just think that if you want to be part of a group, playing a group-based game, you need to be at least minimally mindful of others at the table. If you have to deal with people that you don't like playing with, then the purpose of the game is moot because you won't have fun, which is why I believe why 'gatekeeping' is necessary to a degree. People in sports form teams with those that they like or click with, so why should we expect any different from RPG groups?

No offense taken. 

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 14, 2021, 10:10:38 AM
I wonder how far these organizer dweebs will go in the future?

I mean, if the twitter bed wetters don't like say, 'all orcs are eeeevil' as one example. Does that mean that the organizer's could stop you having filthy, stupid and savage orcs? Or will you have to start sending in your adventures - so they can be scrutinized by some sensitivity reader gimp. Just to make sure you've enough diversataaay and inclusivitaay.

I think Venger has the right idea. Make your own cons, and tell the rest to go chew on a grenade.

1: There is no limit to how far they can or will go.

2: Pretty sure some other cons have already started this one. If not. They will soon. Some will do it covertly. But most will advertise it because they are compelled to virtue signal.

3: Least until they co-opt or shut down those. That was the tactic the 90s version used against non-gaming cons.

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Quote from: ZetaRidley on November 14, 2021, 11:57:58 AM
Lol, shit. I literally just got this book for my birthday. Was thinking of running a westmarches style game-store dungeon.

I can separate the art from the artist in this regard; I am going to keep running my 3+ year DCC campaign. I don't need a new rulebook revision and I don't need pre-made adventures or other DCC materials. YMMV.

Yeah I bought a whole ton of DCC books during the first and second edition print runs. I still want to run it someday given the rules are solid, so in a way I'm glad I don't have to buy more.

Quote from: SHARK on November 14, 2021, 07:51:56 PM

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Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 14, 2021, 10:10:38 AM
I think Venger has the right idea. Make your own cons, and tell the rest to go chew on a grenade.

Maybe the Inappropriate Characters should sponsor a series of Cons. Use the Greenlist for other publishers they might consider inviting.

The proper thing to do is to invite all the companies--but let them know that the con's code of conduct will be simplified to "don't be an asshole" and the safety stuff other cons insist on will not be used/enforced. Rather than excluding them, this gives them the ability to self-exclude if they won't/can't handle that

Surprizingly I do agree.

Greetings!

HOLY BANANA!

I have to agree, as well. That would make a good policy approach.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Its never worked before and wont work now. It especially wont work now.

If they can not just outright co-opt the con from the inside out then they will go to the con to be offended. Then when either kicked out or not kicked out, will raise hell about how horrible these horrible people are. Assuming they do not just try to close down the con before it even starts. That is the current tactic used outside gaming. Call up the venue the cons at and threaten them or spread lies.

And failing all that. They will just pose as one of you. Then do something wretched and claim they are one of you when the cops are called. Or wait for, or stage, something bad to happen. Then pretend to be one of you and make really vile commentary to the media.

And failing all that. Murder.

Seen all of the above in the indie comic con and convention art circuits back in the 90s iteration and now our current 2010 wave of this disease.

Quote from: Omega on November 15, 2021, 10:21:15 PM

Quote from: SHARK on November 14, 2021, 07:51:56 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 14, 2021, 06:33:34 PM

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Quote from: Ruprecht on November 14, 2021, 12:13:34 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 14, 2021, 10:10:38 AM
I think Venger has the right idea. Make your own cons, and tell the rest to go chew on a grenade.

Maybe the Inappropriate Characters should sponsor a series of Cons. Use the Greenlist for other publishers they might consider inviting.

The proper thing to do is to invite all the companies--but let them know that the con's code of conduct will be simplified to "don't be an asshole" and the safety stuff other cons insist on will not be used/enforced. Rather than excluding them, this gives them the ability to self-exclude if they won't/can't handle that

Surprizingly I do agree.

Greetings!

HOLY BANANA!

I have to agree, as well. That would make a good policy approach.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Its never worked before and wont work now. It especially wont work now.

If they can not just outright co-opt the con from the inside out then they will go to the con to be offended. Then when either kicked out or not kicked out, will raise hell about how horrible these horrible people are. Assuming they do not just try to close down the con before it even starts. That is the current tactic used outside gaming. Call up the venue the cons at and threaten them or spread lies.

And failing all that. They will just pose as one of you. Then do something wretched and claim they are one of you when the cops are called. Or wait for, or stage, something bad to happen. Then pretend to be one of you and make really vile commentary to the media.

And failing all that. Murder.

Seen all of the above in the indie comic con and convention art circuits back in the 90s iteration and now our current 2010 wave of this disease.

Any links to the details of the murders you've seen related to the indie comic con and convention art circuits?

It's well over 100 Million people dead at the hands of Socialists. I'm unaware of the ones that happened at specifically an indie Comic-con or convention Art Circuits but I do know this. They are not done. That 100 Million isn't the Total killed but the total killed in just three or four places so far.

Before it's over with I'm sure the score will be a hundred thousand times that and a great many will be in places like a Comic-Con or Convention Art Circuit. Because Socialism as a tool to infect people and control people works wonderfully for a while. Unless you personally have experienced its horrors then the Seductive nature of it makes it easy for others to overcome the reality with: That was the bad kind of Socialism, we will do it the right way. Those people had a lot more issues going on that Socialism didn't cause but that it got the blame for.

Our Socialism will be Democratic Socialism!

So I expect that 1,000 years from now people will be having this same fight over and over.

Keep an eye on that Death count because I think you have not seen anything yet.

Quote from: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on November 16, 2021, 07:49:00 AM
It's well over 100 Million people dead at the hands of Socialists. I'm unaware of the ones that happened at specifically an indie Comic-con or convention Art Circuits but I do know this. They are not done. That 100 Million isn't the Total killed but the total killed in just three or four places so far.

Before it's over with I'm sure the score will be a hundred thousand times that and a great many will be in places like a Comic-Con or Convention Art Circuit. Because Socialism as a tool to infect people and control people works wonderfully for a while. Unless you personally have experienced its horrors then the Seductive nature of it makes it easy for others to overcome the reality with: That was the bad kind of Socialism, we will do it the right way. Those people had a lot more issues going on that Socialism didn't cause but that it got the blame for.

Our Socialism will be Democratic Socialism!

So I expect that 1,000 years from now people will be having this same fight over and over.

Keep an eye on that Death count because I think you have not seen anything yet.

Calm down... LOL

Huh? Did I text again in all caps or something?

Sometimes my text seems to cause other people to think I'm all excited. I'm not. I have not even had my coffee yet.

Quote from: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on November 16, 2021, 08:06:18 AM
Huh? Did I text again in all caps or something?

Sometimes my text seems to cause other people to think I'm all excited. I'm not. I have not even had my coffee yet.

Nor, it appears, your meds.

I asked about the deaths Omega has seen in a specific area that relates to gaming. I'm not discussing the general issues of socialism throughout history.

Oh Right! Because any discussion of the larger issue without the extremely narrow confines of your question would totally destroy your views and you want to keep everything nice and separate so you can pretend they are unrelated.

How many people have been killed by Socialists in red t-shirts with the Critical role symbol while humming "it's your turn to Roll"? None? See Socialists are just fine! Got it!

You also want to immediately disparage any disagreement so you cast any opposition as in obvious need of mental help. How very telling. 

Quote from: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on November 16, 2021, 09:43:39 AM
Oh Right! Because any discussion of the larger issue without the extremely narrow confines of your question would totally destroy your views and you want to keep everything nice and separate so you can pretend they are unrelated.

How many people have been killed by Socialists in red t-shirts with the Critical role symbol while humming "it's your turn to Roll"? None? See Socialists are just fine! Got it!

You also want to immediately disparage any disagreement so you cast any opposition as in obvious need of mental help. How very telling.

Well, if you want to go off topic, we can always start going on about how many wars and genocides have been started by the religious.