Quote from: hedgehobbit on November 10, 2021, 11:05:15 AM

Quote from: PsyXypher on November 10, 2021, 11:00:03 AM
The idea that an OSR product would attempt to appeal to something directly opposed to their target market boggles my mind.

It's not just an OSR game, it's a game that is trying to emulate the art, rules, and writing style of the 1980s. This change goes against the core aesthetic that the game is trying to get across.

The game is literally called "Classic".

Theres been an ongoing push to co-opt the OSR into another woke platform. DCC is just the current one to be co-opted. There will be more.

Quote from: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on November 10, 2021, 04:25:39 AM
more inclusive by changing all pronouns to they in not just all future products but going back through the entire back catalog as well to make changes to be more inclusive.

Ugh!...  Put 'em on the Red list!

Quote from: trechriron on November 10, 2021, 05:45:33 PM
Another "tempest in a teapot".

You're referring to DCC's grandstanding right? If it's such a nothingburger, then why does DCC feel the need to soapbox it up?

Pretty obvious who's stirring the storm.

Both of my daughters play RPG and they both care about use of he exclusively. They understand that the older, accepted usage of he was meant to be gender neutral, but they don't agree that it is.

The local store I play in is about 30-40% younger women players.

It is quaint that people here are outraged about the change to they/them while insisting that people should not be upset about he/his.

Double quaint that they expect Goodman Games to not want to advertise that they understand and have adjusted.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter on November 11, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Both of my daughters play RPG and they both care about use of he exclusively. They understand that the older, axcepted usage of he was meant to be gender neutral, but they don't agree that it is.

The local store I play in is about 30-40% younger women players.

It is quaint that people here are outraged about the change to they/them while insisting that people should not be upset about he/his.

Double quaint that they expect Goodman Games to not want to advertise that they understand and have adjusted.

If all this is truly representative of reality, then their sales will skyrocket, as all of those young women read the advertisement and flock to the RPG refuge that is DCC.

I guess we'll find out soon enough!

Whether it's he/him/his or they/them/their I could care less. But advertising this change in pronoun usage is virtual signalling at its purist. That is the red flag. Like all those who like to present themselves as "good men" it is a good indicator that they are anything but. Have we not had sufficient demonstrations of this over the last few years? Forewarned is forearmed.

Quote from: mightybrain on November 11, 2021, 10:28:17 AM
But advertising this change in pronoun usage is virtual signalling at its purist. That is the red flag. Like all those who like to present themselves as "good men" it is a good indicator that they are anything but.

Indeed... If you do it because you really want to that's one thing. But standing there beating your drum over the parapet is as pretentious as fek.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter on November 11, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Both of my daughters play RPG and they both care about use of he exclusively. They understand that the older, axcepted usage of he was meant to be gender neutral, but they don't agree that it is.

Truth is truth no matter how many people believe it. Lies are lies no matter how many people believ it. Language manipulation is language manipulation.

If your kids where arguing for an opinion you thought was wrong, you would be discounting them on the fact their young. So don't bring them up to support your arguments when they align with you.

Honestly I stepped away from goodman after reading their con guidelines last year. I think they make their intentions pretty clear.  They should have been moved to the red list from the beginning.

Link to Dungeon Con guidelines

https://goodman-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DCO-Policies.pdf

Dungeon Con Online 2021 Code of Conduct - Goodman Games

Edit* whoops wrong link!

Also this

Greetings!

*Laughing* All the "Good Men" advertising their virtue!

When I met my girlfriend, I told her she probably shouldn't think about being serious with me, because I am not good, but I'm a bad man. Selfish, self-centered, demanding, harsh, masculine, patriarchal, and a ruthless, old-school Conservative Tyrannosaurus Rex that sits at the right hand of Genghis Khan politically.

She's pretty Liberal, too. She's a touchy-feely counselor by profession.

She was entirely boggled that a man would say things like that about themselves on a first date. It blew her mind! I actually made an argument about why she shouldn't be with me, about why we would never be good together or work out in any way, and her Liberal girlfriends would likely despise me.

Goodman Games...so sad. Yeah, it seems like a small thing...but it isn't. That's just the weak, delusional, normie mind trying to masturbate themselves that everything is rational and normal.

Goodman Games virtue signaling themselves changing fucking pronouns is like them getting on their knees and asking to get hammered in their ass by the SJW's. So, it really is a big thing. It reflects how weak and spineless and fearful Goodman Games has become, and how eager they are to bow down to the SJW's.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Fantacide on November 11, 2021, 11:27:19 AM
Honestly I stepped away from goodman after reading their con guidelines last year. I think they make their intentions pretty clear.  They should have been moved to the red list from the beginning.

Link to Dungeon Con guidelines

https://goodman-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DCO-Policies.pdf

Dungeon Con Online 2021 Code of Conduct - Goodman Games

Edit* whoops wrong link!

That is Full Woke. I was really looking at buying the Core DCC rulebook soon. Thank you for this added detail. Definitely not spending my cash on their products.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter on November 11, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Both of my daughters play RPG and they both care about use of he exclusively. They understand that the older, axcepted usage of he was meant to be gender neutral, but they don't agree that it is.

The local store I play in is about 30-40% younger women players.

It is quaint that people here are outraged about the change to they/them while insisting that people should not be upset about he/his.

Double quaint that they expect Goodman Games to not want to advertise that they understand and have adjusted.

And everybody in the Bus clapped.

Even granting you everything you wrote that's called anedcdotal evidence. And I would need some real evidence and a breackdown of what they play.

Because I know for a fact that in videogames the "Women are 50% of gamers" claims are lying by omission, yes there's enough women playing video games, but they choose different games than men, because they don't like (as a group, of course there's exceptions) the same type of games as men.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter on November 11, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Both of my daughters play RPG and they both care about use of he exclusively.

Yeah, but who cares about what your kids think (beyond you).

Meh... I say.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 11, 2021, 12:20:23 PM

Quote from: Myrdin Potter on November 11, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Both of my daughters play RPG and they both care about use of he exclusively. They understand that the older, axcepted usage of he was meant to be gender neutral, but they don't agree that it is.

The local store I play in is about 30-40% younger women players.

It is quaint that people here are outraged about the change to they/them while insisting that people should not be upset about he/his.

Double quaint that they expect Goodman Games to not want to advertise that they understand and have adjusted.

And everybody in the Bus clapped.

Even granting you everything you wrote that's called anedcdotal evidence. And I would need some real evidence and a breackdown of what they play.

Because I know for a fact that in videogames the "Women are 50% of gamers" claims are lying by omission, yes there's enough women playing video games, but they choose different games than men, because they don't like (as a group, of course there's exceptions) the same type of games as men.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Everyone on the bus clapped!!!!!!!

Fucking SALUT! my friend!

Light up a good pipe. Yeah, tell the girls, and? So fucking what. Life is full of things you don't like or don't agree with. Too bad.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK