I really dig the original Core Book for DCC.  I own the standard cover.  I have thought a few times, about picking up the Annual to go along with it.

So sad to hear this.  They had a good thing going, that was unique and different.

Perhaps they think that their market growth has already peaked; and now they need some new spin or buzz, to bring in new players and new sales?

I wonder if this will have any impact, on RPG Pundit's long running DCC campaign?

Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 12:25:07 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on November 10, 2021, 12:15:12 PM
Oh, I realize that. However, "you" has traditionally been used to refer to male and female. If someone does not use "he" or "she" because they believe they are neither gender, then it is inconsistent to call that person "you." Same goes for first person. This is why the pronoun game is half-assed and weak.

What do you consider the proper 2nd person pronoun for gender neutral? Does this mean that if I yell "You piece of shit!" at my malfunctioning car, I'm grammatically incorrect? If so, what's the proper form?

Since you live in California it would be hard to narrow down exactly what piece of shit you might be referring too.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 10, 2021, 05:49:04 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 10, 2021, 05:23:14 PM

Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 05:05:33 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 10, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
That's not an example of singular they.

Here are some more recent literary examples:

"Who is in love with her? Who makes you their confidant?" — Jane Austen, in Emma (1815)

"A person can't help their birth." — Rosalind, in William Makepeace Thackeray, Vanity Fair (1848)

"But how can you talk with a person if they always say the same thing?" ― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass (1871)

"Nobody in their senses would give sixpence on the strength of a promissory note of the kind." — Lord Landsdowne in The Liberal Magazine (1914)

"She kept her head and kicked her shoes off, as everybody ought to do who falls into deep water in their clothes." — C.S. Lewis, in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)

I bet it was time traveling wokesters that are trying to destroy the timeline!

No, just another example of you lacking any reading comprehension.

Since you're not good at picking up on it, I was making a joke.

By itself-this is nothing. But this is a raise by half a degree on the boiling pot.
Im sorry but after having this sort of thing happen many times, I am not inclined to dismiss this as a insignificant indicator of the companies change in priorities.

But Im not going to pretend to be outraged because I don't know/care what DCC is.

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 10, 2021, 06:10:45 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 10, 2021, 05:49:04 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 10, 2021, 05:23:14 PM

Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 05:05:33 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 10, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
That's not an example of singular they.

Here are some more recent literary examples:

"Who is in love with her? Who makes you their confidant?" — Jane Austen, in Emma (1815)

"A person can't help their birth." — Rosalind, in William Makepeace Thackeray, Vanity Fair (1848)

"But how can you talk with a person if they always say the same thing?" ― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass (1871)

"Nobody in their senses would give sixpence on the strength of a promissory note of the kind." — Lord Landsdowne in The Liberal Magazine (1914)

"She kept her head and kicked her shoes off, as everybody ought to do who falls into deep water in their clothes." — C.S. Lewis, in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)

I bet it was time traveling wokesters that are trying to destroy the timeline!

No, just another example of you lacking any reading comprehension.

Since you're not good at picking up on it, I was making a joke.

Welp, then MY BAD, sorry for the snark. 

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 10, 2021, 06:25:43 PM
By itself-this is nothing. But this is a raise by half a degree on the boiling pot.
Im sorry but after having this sort of thing happen many times, I am not inclined to dismiss this as a insignificant indicator of the companies change in priorities.

But Im not going to pretend to be outraged because I don't know/care what DCC is.

I know/care and yet I'm not outraged, I'm just not going to give them any money/attention/press. And I was making 2 fanzines/games based of off DCC 

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on November 10, 2021, 01:44:42 PM
I have an unfinished system where l use "creature" generally and "it" as the pronoun. I worry a little that if I ever let it out into the wild, someone might mistake this as a concession to woke.  It is really about reflecting the alien nature of many of the characters from humanity.  Guess I'd have to have a disclaimer at the front to make sure no woke people bought in expecting something different.     

"This game uses "it" as the (im)personal pronoun to emphasize the alien nature of characters.  Also, to ignore woke bullshit.  But mainly the first thing."

Steven - that's cool. What's the game premise? Also, have you read any of the Murderbot series by Martha Wells? I love them, and the main character uses the pronoun "it" for itself. This makes me wonder about how to do a Murderbot RPG. One of the interesting features is that there's a bunch of simultaneous computer hacking at the same time as physical action, and I'm not sure how I'd do that.

Maybe they should change the name of the company to "Goodperson Games"?

QuoteYou know, when you pick up DCC, you see that the style/vibe they are going for is: down in your parent's basement in the 1970s/1980s playing heavy metal music -- metal. METAL!

This really seems deceptive, doesn't it? They are presenting their RPG as having a certain vibe, for a certain audience, and, actually, it's not that at all.

Think about this: Look at the DCC iconic characters -- the barbarian-looking dude, in particular, with the bell-bottoms. Can you imagine that guy saying "they"? What a joke.

Sheaksperean singular they as quoted above of course.
Also metal from the beginning was mostly liberal progressive cesspol - so yeah it's kinda very metal to go this way

Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 06:39:08 PM

Steven - that's cool. What's the game premise?

Premise is pretty standard fantasy in most ways.  A bunch of characters go have adventures and use magic.  But it is layered on a system of fairy-tale logic genetics that means that exactly what a character is can be somewhat strange, even within the same family.  I've often said that I can't stand "half" races in games.  Either the races are distinct things (with real differences in play), or I want a game with everything mixed up in some fantastical way to emphasize that.  The game was in part an attempt to explore the mixed up option.  For me, half races sit in an uncanny valley of design.

Presumably, in the setting, different cultures would use whatever local words were logical for them, including he/she in many cases.  However, from the system's perspective, other cultures are weird and full of "its". 

Not quite the "chair" that Zalman mentioned, but descended from "wood" was one of the fairy-tale genetic markers. 

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 10, 2021, 06:55:54 PM
Maybe they should change the name of the company to "Goodperson Games"?

Its disgusting how they brazenly support the Patriarchy with with their current company name.   

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on November 10, 2021, 07:07:24 PM

Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 06:39:08 PM

Steven - that's cool. What's the game premise?

Premise is pretty standard fantasy in most ways.  A bunch of characters go have adventures and use magic.  But it is layered on a system of fairy-tale logic genetics that means that exactly what a character is can be somewhat strange, even within the same family.  I've often said that I can't stand "half" races in games.  Either the races are distinct things (with real differences in play), or I want a game with everything mixed up in some fantastical way to emphasize that.  The game was in part an attempt to explore the mixed up option.  For me, half races sit in an uncanny valley of design.

Presumably, in the setting, different cultures would use whatever local words were logical for them, including he/she in many cases.  However, from the system's perspective, other cultures are weird and full of "its". 

Not quite the "chair" that Zalman mentioned, but descended from "wood" was one of the fairy-tale genetic markers. 

Are you familiar with Muls from Dark Sun? They're half-human half-dwarves, and they're portrayed pretty realistic for a hybrid species. Instead of being like a Half-Elf, they're more like ligers; larger and more muscular than either parent, sterile, and have superior physical abilities.

The Elder Scrolls series did something I also like. There's no "Hybrids". The race is determined by the mother, and some traits might come from the father. Like a human child fathered by an Orc might have a more exaggerated jawline or be hairier. If the father was an elf, the kid might be more magically inclined. Which is how one of the races, the Bretons, ended up coming to be.

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Quote from: mightybrain on November 10, 2021, 07:57:09 AM
It calls to mind this passage in the Rules Cyclopedia

QuotePronoun Note
The male pronouns (he, him, his) are used throughout this book. We hope this won't be interpreted by anyone as an attempt to exclude females from the game or to imply their exclusion.
Centuries of use have made these pronouns neutral, and we feel their use provides for clear and concise written text.

I wonder if the editors realised at the time that this would be the first slippery step.

The male pronouns (he, him, his) have been used for centuries as neutral gender. If this gets your panties in a bunch, man up!

They and them are plural pronouns - anyone who wants you use these words to refer to a single person is essentially stating "there is more than one of me." Having multiple personalities is a mental disorder, last I recall

At least in British (and commonwealth) English, "They" is very commonly used. I've used it all the time in writing, both academic and gaming.

So for example "If a magician wants to cast a spell, they need the material components".

Where it becomes iffy is when it moves from the generic to the personal, as in a specific defined individual. So "A magician", or "the perpetrator" or "any pharmacist" in generic terms is "They", but "Gandalf" is a he, or "Morgana le Fay" is a she.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on November 10, 2021, 07:07:24 PM
Not quite the "chair" that Zalman mentioned, but descended from "wood" was one of the fairy-tale genetic markers. 

Now that level of weirdness may warrant an "it" or two, I'll concede.

However, by name-level I expect to be a full-fledged dining set!