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Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Shipyard Locked on January 08, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
Every now and then someone posts a link to some table where they rank the most talked about (online) tabletop rpgs, or something like that. I can't find it right now, could someone post it again? Sorry.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Rincewind1 on January 08, 2014, 12:20:40 PM
Do you mean this?
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/26215.html
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Shipyard Locked on January 08, 2014, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: Rincewind1;721810Do you mean this?
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/26215.html

No, but that's useful too. It's bigger and more detailed, with multiple columns.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: arminius on January 08, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
You may be thinking of the "The Hotness" on rpggeek.

But there may be something you could do with one of these tools: http://www.tripwiremagazine.com/2011/07/keyword-trend-analysis.html

I think they just show trends for keywords in dynamic content (including twitter and google searches) but there may be something specifically for static web pages (based on snapshots over time) and fora.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: estar on January 08, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
It was on enworld and I can't seem to find the link.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: The Yann Waters on January 08, 2014, 02:21:45 PM
Quote from: estar;721843It was on enworld and I can't seem to find the link.

Here. (http://www.enworld.org/forum/hotgames.php)
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Shipyard Locked on January 08, 2014, 03:36:26 PM
Thanks guys.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: jeff37923 on January 08, 2014, 04:15:35 PM
Considering how enworld was originally set up as a d20 board, I wonder how skewed the results are. A lot of conversations are happenning on Facebook and G+ that have not been sampled.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Mistwell on January 08, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;721881Considering how enworld was originally set up as a d20 board, I wonder how skewed the results are. A lot of conversations are happenning on Facebook and G+ that have not been sampled.

They sample all sources that can be obtained using an RSS feed, except for the home message boards of the game companies themselves.

If you think that is skewed, I am sure Morrus is open to any suggestions.  It's mostly a tool he is using for his own internal purposes, and he wants it as accurate as humanly possible.  He has no d20 agenda, when it comes to that tool.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: TristramEvans on January 10, 2014, 01:40:46 AM
Im having a hard time believing Aberrant gets talked about more than FASERIP
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Shipyard Locked on January 10, 2014, 06:42:51 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;722348Im having a hard time believing Aberrant gets talked about more than FASERIP

Yeah, there's some surprising data there.

BESM is still on the chart after all the brutal criticism and the publisher scandals.

Star Wars: Saga/D20 is doing better than Edge of the Empire?
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Tahmoh on January 10, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
Think the list needs filtering abit to cut out older sources of info, i highly doubt some of these older/dead games are being talked about as much as the figures show.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Xavier Onassiss on January 10, 2014, 11:35:06 AM
I think the real question is, talked about where, exactly?

The ENworld forums?

A different forum, or a group of forums?

The internet as a whole?

The FLGS?

The webmaster's basement on game night? [/snark]
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Justin Alexander on January 11, 2014, 04:44:12 AM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;722380BESM is still on the chart after all the brutal criticism and the publisher scandals.

First, BESM was critically acclaimed.

Second, I'm curious about the world you live in where scandals make something less likely to be talked about.

Quote from: Broken-Serenity;722404Think the list needs filtering abit to cut out older sources of info...

Click the link, moron.

Quote from: Xavier Onassiss;722411I think the real question is, talked about where, exactly?

Click the link, moron.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: TristramEvans on January 11, 2014, 04:48:58 AM
BESM wouldnt be surprising if this was 2002. I guess its just that these results are taken "over all time", when I was expecting something that was looking more at current trends.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Ronin on January 11, 2014, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;722380Star Wars: Saga/D20 is doing better than Edge of the Empire?

That doesnt surprise me. I have not really heard much good about the Edge of the Empire.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Shipyard Locked on January 11, 2014, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: Justin Alexander;722639First, BESM was critically acclaimed.

Its later revamps were not treated kindly as I recall.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;722639Second, I'm curious about the world you live in where scandals make something less likely to be talked about.

[mildly humorous]
Huh, that reminds me, if scandal chatter is apparently enough to keep BESM on a list of relevance years after its crash-and-burn, why isn't FATAL there at all? It has to be one of the most beaten dead horse examples around, enough to earn it at least a bottom slot. I sure hear people reference it way more often than Firefly or Fading Suns (although this is purely anecdotal of course). [/mildly humorous]
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Old One Eye on January 11, 2014, 02:14:47 PM
Nifty that 13th Age hits both lists.  Back of the envelope calculation shows that D&D derived games make up ~82% of the chatter while non-D&D derived games make up ~18%.

That makes FATE (the most talky of the non-D&D) sit at about 2.6% of internet chatter - or slightly ahead of the OSR.

Shadowrun with its new edition is between OD&D and AD&D in talkiness.

Castles and Crusades made by me good old Arky boys down the street is about the same popularity as Dread.  Not sure what Dread is, but good job guys.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Soylent Green on January 11, 2014, 02:42:13 PM
I think Fate get's a large chunk of the 'talked about' pie because (a) a lot of people are busy hacking the system and pushing the toolset in different directions and (b) a lot of people seem to have trouble making sense of the system so they post a lot of questions. Which is not to say it isn't a popular game, just that it get's a lot of air time.

I am sure there a quite a few games that get a lot of play but don't require as much forum based support.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: 3rik on January 11, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Ronin;722673That doesnt surprise me. I have not really heard much good about the Edge of the Empire.

IMHO it's a complete piece of overproduced shit. Besides being a pain in the ass to read and play, I also found the supposedly nice production values rather underwhelming.

People are apparently buying the shit out of it, though.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Mistwell on January 11, 2014, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: Xavier Onassiss;722411I think the real question is, talked about where, exactly?

The ENworld forums?

A different forum, or a group of forums?

The internet as a whole?

The FLGS?

The webmaster's basement on game night? [/snark]

He says it's over 1000 RSS feeds of data from across the web, mostly message boards but some other sources.  The only thing specifically excluded is the home forum of game publishers themselves.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Mistwell on January 11, 2014, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;722640BESM wouldnt be surprising if this was 2002. I guess its just that these results are taken "over all time", when I was expecting something that was looking more at current trends.

It's not over all time, it's using current RSS feeds.  Apparently, it's being talked about currently.  The numbers fluctuate every day.

As for why - I have no idea.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Mistwell on January 11, 2014, 08:41:17 PM
Quote from: Old One Eye;722716Nifty that 13th Age hits both lists.  Back of the envelope calculation shows that D&D derived games make up ~82% of the chatter while non-D&D derived games make up ~18%.

That makes FATE (the most talky of the non-D&D) sit at about 2.6% of internet chatter - or slightly ahead of the OSR.

Shadowrun with its new edition is between OD&D and AD&D in talkiness.

Castles and Crusades made by me good old Arky boys down the street is about the same popularity as Dread.  Not sure what Dread is, but good job guys.

If you hover over the name, a raw score will appear, and that raw score is directly comparable to the other charts (not adjusted for the list it's on).
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Old One Eye on January 11, 2014, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;722798It's not over all time, it's using current RSS feeds.  Apparently, it's being talked about currently.  The numbers fluctuate every day.

As for why - I have no idea.

Says it is a 90 day feed right on the tin.  So, the numbers for today will be from 10/13/2013 through today.  Tomorrow's numbers would be from 10/14/2013 through tomorrow.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: TristramEvans on January 11, 2014, 10:17:51 PM
Well, I font frequent alot of forums these days so Im not as "in the loop" as ten years ago.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: arminius on January 11, 2014, 11:27:31 PM
N.E.W. at 4.78% makes me think there's something weird about the counting method. Or I'm just really, really out of the loop.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Warthur on January 13, 2014, 06:57:12 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;722640BESM wouldnt be surprising if this was 2002. I guess its just that these results are taken "over all time", when I was expecting something that was looking more at current trends.
Results are for past 90 days, actually.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: languagegeek on January 13, 2014, 08:05:40 AM
Quote from: Arminius;722829N.E.W. at 4.78% makes me think there's something weird about the counting method. Or I'm just really, really out of the loop.

It looks like N.E.W. is enworld's own (as yet unfinished) game. Perhaps the hotness table includes some enworld playtesting feeds or something.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: arminius on January 13, 2014, 12:44:30 PM
I imagine it does, but that still raises questions as to how the various sources are counted and weighted.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Mistwell on January 13, 2014, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: Arminius;722829N.E.W. at 4.78% makes me think there's something weird about the counting method. Or I'm just really, really out of the loop.

It's not at 4.78% for all RPGs.  You're looking at the chart on the left, which excludes D&D-like games.  To see actual ranking, hover over the name, and then compare it to the middle chart numbers.  You will see it has a score of 62.5.  That would put it at less than 1%.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Mistwell on January 13, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: Arminius;723101I imagine it does, but that still raises questions as to how the various sources are counted and weighted.

They are counted using RSS feeds fed through the algorithm looking for keywords (I think), and there is no weighting.  All posts count equally.  If this board had an RSS feed, then this thread would get counted as much as any EnWorld thread.

And for what it is worth, the board comes with a built-in RSS feed I believe, but I think Pundit turned it off.  He left it on for his blog though.
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: Shipyard Locked on January 13, 2014, 05:41:28 PM
Bah, if you want to run a broadly popular sci fi rpg your choices come down to Star Wars and Warhammer 40k and they're both still mind share losers in a niche hobby. This is just sad. When are we going to get a sci fi revival?
Title: Darn it, where's that list of "most talked about" tabletop rpgs again?
Post by: The Traveller on January 13, 2014, 07:17:16 PM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;723219When are we going to get a sci fi revival?
When it becomes fun again, so pretty much moving away from the Traveller headbangers. I dunno, I've a sci-fi game in the works, I don't think it will lead to a revival but it's two fistfuls of fun as far as I'm concerned.