While we were fapping away on this forum, the spirit of the OSR has gone to d6 Star Wars and this book was created.
d6 Star Wars, Revised, Updated, and Expanded (http://d6holocron.com/downloads/books/REUP.pdf)
Over 500 pages, masterfully done, all by fans for fans.
It's very, very, very good. I'd love to get my hands on a printed version.
It makes me want a revised movie sourcebook now. :D
I'm still flipping through it and I am completely blown away. This book is incredible.
Kudos that they didn't change the rules or add a lot of unnecessary shit. I dislike it when a bunch of fanboys think they can "improve" on an edition and wind up making it more convoluted than it needs to be. They added optional advantages and flaws, which is something one of the guys said he wrestled with on the Rancor Pit forum. But as he said, they were optional.
Yeah, that's usually what goes wrong.
Yay!
:cheerleader:
Wow, this really looks impressive on a first super-fast skimming. Looking forward to digging into it a bit more. Star Wars d6 was really popular with my group a couple of years back, but having it in a unified, single tome (with an index!!!!!), may revive some interstellar action in the future.
Hour four of reading this PDF and I have yet to find a single game-breaking flaw in the work. This should become a standard for what is possible by fans.
Quote from: jeff37923;816975Hour four of reading this PDF and I have yet to find a single game-breaking flaw in the work. This should become a standard for what is possible by fans.
Have they found a solution to the bullet-proof wookie then? I really, really like Star Wars D6. Always have. But the rules for dealing and absorbing damage have always been less than ideal, in the "any weapon that can hurt the wookie will obliterate the rest; any weapon that is a reasonable threat to the others is just as effective as throwing napkins at the wookie" sense.
Quote from: Beagle;816977Have they found a solution to the bullet-proof wookie then? I really, really like Star Wars D6. Always have. But the rules for dealing and absorbing damage have always been less than ideal, in the "any weapon that can hurt the wookie will obliterate the rest; any weapon that is a reasonable threat to the others is just as effective as throwing napkins at the wookie" sense.
Read it and learn for yourself. :D
Quote from: Beagle;816977Have they found a solution to the bullet-proof wookie then? I really, really like Star Wars D6. Always have. But the rules for dealing and absorbing damage have always been less than ideal, in the "any weapon that can hurt the wookie will obliterate the rest; any weapon that is a reasonable threat to the others is just as effective as throwing napkins at the wookie" sense.
West End tried a solution in D6 Space, by halving your Strength score for damage resistance, but it was less than ideal.
They don't break any new ground in this fan-made edition. It's pretty much note for note the same rules wise as the 1993 edition, which isn't a bad thing really.
I never had any problem with Wookiees.
Can't wait to check this out, though I'm not sure why the game would need to be revised or expanded as I found 1st edition was just right for me.
I think, for me, it's just having essentially everything in one .pdf document that's flipping my switch. And the artwork is good too.
The illustration on page 54 is amazing.
downloaded to my tablet and checking out.
Thanks for the link. Lots of fun reading there.. :)
Quote from: Patrick;817129The illustration on page 54 is amazing.
Yeah, that one warms my heart......
Quote from: Matt;817118I never had any problem with Wookiees.
Can't wait to check this out, though I'm not sure why the game would need to be revised or expanded as I found 1st edition was just right for me.
A 1e equivalent with material from the 1e sourcebook added in would have been absolutely boss IMO (and 250 pages shorter :)).
Quote from: Patrick;817129The illustration on page 54 is amazing.
Have to admit I smiled when I saw it too. :)
Man, whenever I feel the Gungan Hate start to rise, I remember Captain Tarpals, who sacrificed his life to capture General Grievous (which the incompetent Jedi let escape a few episodes later).
And remember, even the Gungans hated Jar-Jar. It's why they elected him to the one office that would take him off-world.
Ok, I'm impressed. Kudos to everyone involved. But I have to wonder how on Earth do they get away with this?
The argument is three fold:
- D6 system is OGL and open for use
- Fan created electronic resources are as old as the 'Net and never opposed by the rights holders
- They are not charging a penny, so making no obvious gain that someone else could claim as a loss
Truth is, a cease and desist could stop them, but the cat's out of the bag now..
Ye gods, is this one amazing book.
Thanks for the heads-up on this!
Quote from: tzunder;817201The argument is three fold:
- D6 system is OGL and open for use
- Fan created electronic resources are as old as the 'Net and never opposed by the rights holders
- They are not charging a penny, so making no obvious gain that someone else could claim as a loss
Truth is, a cease and desist could stop them, but the cat's out of the bag now..
The PDF was almost endangered out of the gate by someone trying to sell physical copies (at cost of print admittedly) via Lulu. I am glad it survived.
Quote from: Patrick;817129The illustration on page 54 is amazing.
Face-blocks-elbow-strike is a well known Gungan martial arts defensive move.
Quote from: tzunder;817201The argument is three fold:
- D6 system is OGL and open for use
- Fan created electronic resources are as old as the 'Net and never opposed by the rights holders
- They are not charging a penny, so making no obvious gain that someone else could claim as a loss
Truth is, a cease and desist could stop them, but the cat's out of the bag now..
There's also the assumption that anyone who owns the rights would be willing to do anything with them. Since D6 System and the Star Wars license are completely different things and there's jack/squat chance of them getting back together, I think they're safe as long as they don't charge money.
JG
Have they credited any of the art to the artists? I think that would be a good idea given how much they have used, presumably, without permission.
Quote from: tzunder;817201The argument is three fold:
- D6 system is OGL and open for use
- Fan created electronic resources are as old as the 'Net and never opposed by the rights holders
- They are not charging a penny, so making no obvious gain that someone else could claim as a loss
1. True
2. False
3. Irrelevant and then False
4. I notice none of those things justify the Star Wars IP infringement or the theft of art
The only reason these guys haven't gotten a C&D is because nobody has noticed them yet.
Which is unfortunate, because it does look like impressive work.
Quote from: Skywalker;817355Have they credited any of the art to the artists? I think that would be a good idea given how much they have used, presumably, without permission.
I noticed a few pieces from the
Star Wars Essential Guide To Characters.
Maybe Fantasy Flight could claim a loss. They acquired the Star Wars RPG license knowing there was no other fresh product vying for gamers attention. This alters that even though it's an old system and it's free.
Quote from: Skywalker;817355Have they credited any of the art to the artists? I think that would be a good idea given how much they have used, presumably, without permission.
There is a lot in the book from The Force Unleashed video games as well as Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. I think this is a beautiful project and very well done, but I suspect it will be taken down soon.
Quote from: Patrick;817390There is a lot in the book from The Force Unleashed video games as well as Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. I think this is a beautiful project and very well done, but I suspect it will be taken down soon.
In my experiences, if you use art without permission, the artist is generally OK with it provided you credit them. That only seems fair.
On saying that, as pointed out, I expect the artist no longer have any say as the art seems mostly commissioned for various high profile projects.
I thought the pic on page 20 was pretty amazing, myself. Lots of them are pieces I've seen from the card game, etc, but that one was new (and pretty badass).
Nice find, and a welcome addition to my already-massive D6 collection. It's a very "Vampire, 20th Edition" sort of love letter, and that's awesome.
Quote from: Endless Flight;817378Maybe Fantasy Flight could claim a loss. They acquired the Star Wars RPG license knowing there was no other fresh product vying for gamers attention. This alters that even though it's an old system and it's free.
It's not really fresh, though, and the entirety of SW D6 has been online for a while; their due diligence
must have picked up on that.
I'm playing 1e, but I'm glad to see a solid game not simply being left to fade away.
Quote from: Ladybird;817484It's not really fresh, though, and the entirety of SW D6 has been online for a while; their due diligence must have picked up on that.
I suspect that the infringement of the art may be more likely to cause an issue than an infringement of the system.
Quote from: Skywalker;817142A 1e equivalent with material from the 1e sourcebook added in would have been absolutely boss IMO (and 250 pages shorter :)).
Yeah, it would beat carrying both books around for games.
Quote from: Endless Flight;817378Maybe Fantasy Flight could claim a loss. They acquired the Star Wars RPG license knowing there was no other fresh product vying for gamers attention. This alters that even though it's an old system and it's free.
This.
Plus Disney could claim a loss from whatever impact this potential competition has on the royalties they get from FFG.
Moreover, Fantasy Flight's licence is almost certainly an exclusive one, which means that Disney have promised them they won't give their blessing to competing Star Wars RPGs. This would mean that not only could Disney not give this work any sort of approval, but they may also figure they are obliged to send a cease and desist once they become aware of this so as to honour their agreement with Fantasy Flight. (There may even be clauses in the licence specifying who's responsible for enforcing appropriate IP rights and what they need to do about infringing works.)
Quote from: Skywalker;817488I suspect that the infringement of the art may be more likely to cause an issue than an infringement of the system.
Yeah, that plus the trademarks would be the major issues.
I've never played this version of Star Wars, and kinda want to...
Quote from: Warboss Squee;818839I've never played this version of Star Wars, and kinda want to...
Then do it. Star Wars D6 is not without flaws (no system is), but the good stuff certainly outweighs the bad stuff and it is easily an extremely accessible game. I played it with my siblings when they were 9 and 7 (I think) and they never had problems to understand how the game worked - and that was certainly not because I was so great at explaining this stuff.
You can basically just pick it up, create characters within minutes (if you use the provided templates) and just play it with utterly minimal setup, making it one of the most convenient RPGs I have ever played.
They obviously had no permission, but who cares, the point is moot as the Intarwebz have it and they're never giving it back. Lawsuit, no harm. C&D, most people will get it someplace else anyway. Disney, can probably handle it's own legal issues without all the corporatist handwringing.
It's a great product that shows that fan-made material, similar to some computer gaming mods, can be superior in quality and design to high-gloss schlock shat out by the big boys.
Wow! My favorite d6 Star Wars system revised by fans, for fans, I'm very impressed, this is the smack down hunny chops, I only glanced at the PDF , but I'm on board with it,. Hey more content is more content, thanks to every person who helped with this PDF, you people are awesome , I was just looking at my old 2eRe book when I found this PDF, the force maybe?