Quote from: S'mon;1071727Yup. I love seeing my son's enthusiasm at encountering stuff for the first time, without a lot of the preconceptions.

Are we still talking about porn?:eek:

Quote from: HappyDaze;1071837Are we still talking about porn?:eek:

Aleena's Tabard!!:eek:



Tracey Hurley wanted that Elmore filth banned!

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This is also true. I'm sure the CR crew all like RPGs, and mostly like playing the game even on the show most of the time. It's just:

a) Not ALL of the time. And yet they can't let that show. They have to always seem totally content with the campaign.

b) Not AS MUCH as they appear to be all session long. They are "always on" which is the surest sign of fakeness. RPGs as a game are not the sort of thing where you're always on. It's not even meant to be. Games are very long, and you can't be always on during a game session without faking it. Which proves they're faking it (or doing some extremely serious drugs).

You're the only one who seems to give a shit whether it's "authentic." And, since you're providing your own measure of authenticity, it's never going to be.

But, let's not kid ourselves -- you just don't like Mercer. But we can't just say it and leave it at that. We have to come up with "objective" reasons why what he's doing is "wrong."

That axe of yours has got to be ground to the nub by now...

Quote from: cranebump;1071915You're the only one who seems to give a shit whether it's "authentic." And, since you're providing your own measure of authenticity, it's never going to be.

But, let's not kid ourselves -- you just don't like Mercer. But we can't just say it and leave it at that. We have to come up with "objective" reasons why what he's doing is "wrong."

That axe of yours has got to be ground to the nub by now...

Does he actually care? I mean, I doubt anyone here really does, because people can do whatever the fuck they want and watch whatever they want. So we all play our games and ignore this crap, or watch it and enjoy it, or are completely oblivious that it exists. Until we try to get some new players and they expect the CR experience and are extremely disappointed that's not reality and then become disruptive dicks. I've dealt with something similar (new player expected Game of Thrones in a proto-Gygaxian game I was running) and while I tried the best I could to deal with it, he just never came around and became more annoying as the game continued.

So, maybe, just maybe, Pundit is attempting to head off a potential issue we might all experience in the future. You mentioned somewhere else that most players aren't troublesome, which is true, but all it takes is one asshole to fuck up a game. That guy I mentioned above derailed a two year campaign that was going extremely well in a matter of four or five sessions.

Problem rpg players existed long before Critical Role remotely even existed. So their is no issue and Pundit is imo wrong.

I had my share of problem players and DMs long before Mercer. Hell I was a problem player and out grew that phase.

Now if it's a common occurrence I concede that Pundit would have a point.  In my area it's largely anecdotal almost no one has approached me thinking what they see ob CR is how D&D is played. My 11 year old girlfriend sister son was the only one and even at thsg he age he was intelligent enough to realize it's a show.

One guy who shows up thinking CR is the one true way is nothing more than a problematic player. An epidemic of them and the end times for the hobby hardly.

Point out their maybe an issue i applaud and respect that. Consistently coming across as the guy claiming it's the end times is fucking annoying imo

Like it or not Youtube is how the younger generation learns new knowledge. I'm not a child psychologist so it may not necessarily be a good thing.

What's next one player shows up with a tablet and the computer industry is ruining the hobby. Lock the doors, hide your dice...will some think of the grognards.

Quote from: sureshot;1071953Problem rpg players existed long before Critical Role remotely even existed. So their is no issue and Pundit is imo wrong.

The former statement, while correct, in no way validates the latter statement.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1072523The former statement, while correct, in no way validates the latter statement.

Your the only person here who is just trying to continue to controversy to get more clicks and sales.

Could players who insist that every rpg gaming table be like CR sure. Is it as bad as you keeping trying to make the problem be not at all imo.

I repeat their is no issue. Sure you might get the player who wants it to be like critical role absolutely. The unstoppable horde just waiting to invade my table to destroy. Is nothing but in your imagination. What's your proof a bunch of people on Twitter told you and because it's on the Internet it must true. Engage in onetruwayism and pretend that the sky is falling like chicken little and keep stirring the imaginary CR controversy pot which I get because controversy creates cash. At least try to make less of the same videos as it's one thing to hate CR as I'm not a fan myself. Your becoming obsessed imo. You remind of the DM who pulled a dick move on his players causing some or all a TPK. Goes online to get validation and be told he was not in the wrong. When he does not get his way on one forum goes on another and another until he gets validation of his position.

Quote from: sureshot;1072539Your the only person here who is just trying to continue to controversy to get more clicks and sales.

Could players who insist that every rpg gaming table be like CR sure. Is it as bad as you keeping trying to make the problem be not at all imo.

I repeat their is no issue. Sure you might get the player who wants it to be like critical role absolutely. The unstoppable horde just waiting to invade my table to destroy. Is nothing but in your imagination. What's your proof a bunch of people on Twitter told you and because it's on the Internet it must true. Engage in onetruwayism and pretend that the sky is falling like chicken little and keep stirring the imaginary CR controversy pot which I get because controversy creates cash. At least try to make less of the same videos as it's one thing to hate CR as I'm not a fan myself. Your becoming obsessed imo. You remind of the DM who pulled a dick move on his players causing some or all a TPK. Goes online to get validation and be told he was not in the wrong. When he does not get his way on one forum goes on another and another until he gets validation of his position.

To be fair, I have seen one player (only one so far) that hasn't been able to stick with the three gaming groups he's formed/joined in the last couple of years because of CR. He compares them unfavorably to CR and abandons them after a few sessions when they don't live up to his (unreasonable) expectations. In two of these, he was the GM for the group. This can parallel the CR = porn idea with the sexual dysfunctions that porn addiction can cause.

I had someone similar may years ago were talking late 80s early 90s. He enjoyed his first D&D campaign so much he expected every other campaign to be the same and jyst as great. No one could tell him otherwise and become extremely offended if myself or my gaming group at the time tried to tell him otherwise. He did not last very long as a member of our gaming group.

Of course CR does have an impact on the hobby. To the extent it's the end times where every player expects and demands the critical role experience. I don't think so. Now having written that watch my next player be exactly that lol.

Gamers or people who will not make a difference between CR and reality are not welcome at my tables. I don't have the time or willingness to deal with those who insist in being stupidly stubborn.

I'm not the one who invented the term "Mercer Effect". It was invented for a reason.

Whomever created the term it is not that big of an issue imo. Unless st least 10 players or more in 2019 either join a campaign I'm running or playing in. Then insist they want it to be like Critical role then I will admit and see it as a major problem to the hobby. Not one or two players while annoying hardly is an epidemic.

Pundit you seem dead set on continuing the controversy and beating an already pulped dead horse further. We get it you hate CR, Mercer, And anyone and everyone who likes the first two with the blazing hatred of 1000 runs. We hear now move on. Talk about something new or about Lion and Dragon., Arrows of Infra or Dark Albion.

Was talking to a new player yesterday who'd watch some Critical Role and been attracted by it and another Youtube streamed game to try D&D.

Me:
"Matt Mercer..."

He:
"Uh, is that the GM, the one with the long hair?"

Quote from: sureshot;1073310Whomever created the term it is not that big of an issue imo.

It illustrates that it's not just Pundit who finds it an issue.  There's been a number of people who have written about the Mercer Effect.  It's a thing.  Insinuating that Pundit is the only one who sees an issue with it is disingenuous at best.

Quote from: kythri;1073346It illustrates that it's not just Pundit who finds it an issue.  There's been a number of people who have written about the Mercer Effect.  It's a thing.  Insinuating that Pundit is the only one who sees an issue with it is disingenuous at best.

I never said it was not a problem. Claiming it's  an epidemic which can ruin the hobby is also being disingenuous at best as well. Most normal sane gamers know that what they see during CR is not what happens at most tables. A few players who refuse to separate fantasy from fiction is not that an epidemic that can ruin the hobby.

It's  like claiming every tabletop games is a socially inept nerd, with poor hygiene problems, I had the misfortune of actually playing and gaming with some. I never assumed every gamer would be or act that way. I consider it an issue a very small one. Until I see the imaginary hordes of CR obsessed gamers then I will concede to being wrong. I'm  not worried in the least  because it will never come to pass.

Greetings!

Wow. I just noticed that Laura Bailey is a regular cast member of Critical Role.

"Daughter of the Sea" Part of the soundtrack for World of Warcraft's latest expansion, Battle For Azeroth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo7XPvwRgG8

Yeah. *THAT* Laura Bailey. Famous singer employed by Blizzard Entertainment. Millions of fans. Definitely not an amatuer. Laura Bailey is the lead singer of "Daughter of the Sea"; Warbringers: Jaina.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK