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Critical Role is to DnD (and Newbs' Expectations of D&D) as Porn is to Normal Sex

Started by RPGPundit, January 06, 2019, 02:11:02 AM

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cranebump

#60
January 13, 2019, 02:35:28 PM
Quote from: kythri;1071304You mean, his employees?  I'd certainly expect them to act as if they love his game, considering their paycheck depends on it.

Cynical response. And I'd wager most of their income comes from somewhere else.
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kythri

#61
January 13, 2019, 04:52:34 PM
Not cynical at all.

Just pointing out that they're all SAG-AFTRA members, they're not doing this for free.  And I seriously doubt that the crew is doing this for free, either.

And, I'm not suggesting that this show pays them handsomely, such that this is their only job, but, it is a job, and not a charity gig.

cranebump

#62
January 13, 2019, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: kythri;1071314Not cynical at all.

Just pointing out that they're all SAG-AFTRA members, they're not doing this for free.  And I seriously doubt that the crew is doing this for free, either.

And, I'm not suggesting that this show pays them handsomely, such that this is their only job, but, it is a job, and not a charity gig.

I'll grant that. But I think it's a stretch to imply their reactions are more or less inauthentic. Of course, "acting," and all, but they seem to be having fun.
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

Brad

#63
January 15, 2019, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: cranebump;1071321I'll grant that. But I think it's a stretch to imply their reactions are more or less inauthentic. Of course, "acting," and all, but they seem to be having fun.

A lot of porn actors have fun doing their jobs, too, and may not be acting 100% of the time, which I think was the entire point of this thread.
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tenbones

#64
January 15, 2019, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Brad;1071442A lot of porn actors have fun doing their jobs, too, and may not be acting 100% of the time, which I think was the entire point of this thread.

Well now we need to have Pundit make his own OSR porn videos to show Matt how its done!

Then we'll have Matt make a video of him GMing himself as all the players unscripted. Then we'll compare the two and judge them. It's the only way we can know if we're being lied to.

HappyDaze

#65
January 15, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1071450Well now we need to have Pundit make his own OSR porn videos to show Matt how its done!
Do you really want to find out what porn performed by average people with their 3d6 in order is going to look like? I know I don't.

Thornhammer

#66
January 15, 2019, 10:30:46 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1071495Do you really want to find out what porn performed by average people with their 3d6 in order is going to look like? I know I don't.

"Shit!  Lelu Love fails her save vs wands.  Take 1d6 damage as the Hitachi vibrator strikes true.  Oh, also you're immobilized next round..."

Sounds more like Alpha Blue.

RPGPundit

#67
January 16, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: kythri;1071304You mean, his employees?  I'd certainly expect them to act as if they love his game, considering their paycheck depends on it.

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#68
January 16, 2019, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1071306Hey if I was paid to play FATE or Apocalypse World, I could fake enjoying it for the camera even if I had dull, glazed-over eyes for the whole performance. Oh... It absolutely is like porn.

NOW you understand.
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#69
January 16, 2019, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: Brad;1071442A lot of porn actors have fun doing their jobs, too, and may not be acting 100% of the time, which I think was the entire point of this thread.

Spoiler

This is also true. I'm sure the CR crew all like RPGs, and mostly like playing the game even on the show most of the time. It's just:

a) Not ALL of the time. And yet they can't let that show. They have to always seem totally content with the campaign.

b) Not AS MUCH as they appear to be all session long. They are "always on" which is the surest sign of fakeness. RPGs as a game are not the sort of thing where you're always on. It's not even meant to be. Games are very long, and you can't be always on during a game session without faking it. Which proves they're faking it (or doing some extremely serious drugs).
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S'mon

#70
January 17, 2019, 02:14:30 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1071636
Spoiler

This is also true. I'm sure the CR crew all like RPGs, and mostly like playing the game even on the show most of the time. It's just:

a) Not ALL of the time. And yet they can't let that show. They have to always seem totally content with the campaign.

b) Not AS MUCH as they appear to be all session long. They are "always on" which is the surest sign of fakeness. RPGs as a game are not the sort of thing where you're always on. It's not even meant to be. Games are very long, and you can't be always on during a game session without faking it. Which proves they're faking it (or doing some extremely serious drugs).

I guess there is a reasonable point here that new players may expect to be as constantly excited and stimulated as the CR players appear to be.

I think GMs should try to make their game generally entertaining, and players should seek to contribute. I don't want 20 minutes of fun in 4 hours. But there will always be lulls.

I was playing on monday with 2 CR fans, me and one other grognard, grognard GM. The cr fans emphasised voice acting in character play and were very entertaining, if anything it was a bit intimidating but I think they added to the game and kept the energy level high over the three hour game.

Brad

#71
January 17, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
Quote from: S'mon;1071667I was playing on monday with 2 CR fans, me and one other grognard, grognard GM. The cr fans emphasised voice acting in character play and were very entertaining, if anything it was a bit intimidating but I think they added to the game and kept the energy level high over the three hour game.

How long had they been playing? New players seem to always be extremely high energy. At Garycon last year, my buddy ran a session of D&D 5th in my hotel room for a bunch of old grognards and one of the grognard's wives who had never played before. She was super into it and there was a part of the session where my buddy said, "Yeah, it's a kobold," we sort of went mehh, but she asks, "What's a kobold?" I told her after the game was over that it was nice to play with someone who wasn't some old jaded jackass and everyone else laughed because it was true. New players inject a "newness" into games that sort of reinvigorates people who have been playing for a long time.
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S'mon

#72
January 17, 2019, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Brad;1071692How long had they been playing? New players seem to always be extremely high energy. At Garycon last year, my buddy ran a session of D&D 5th in my hotel room for a bunch of old grognards and one of the grognard's wives who had never played before. She was super into it and there was a part of the session where my buddy said, "Yeah, it's a kobold," we sort of went mehh, but she asks, "What's a kobold?" I told her after the game was over that it was nice to play with someone who wasn't some old jaded jackass and everyone else laughed because it was true. New players inject a "newness" into games that sort of reinvigorates people who have been playing for a long time.

Yup. I love seeing my son's enthusiasm at encountering stuff for the first time, without a lot of the preconceptions. Especially with having started him out on Mentzer Classic, he often tries negotiation with the monsters - many players who came in ca 2000-2011 with 3e & 4e default to the "it's a combat encounter - roll init" mentality.

Those two 'critters' I think have been playing for about a year.

Abraxus

#73
January 17, 2019, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1071727Yup. I love seeing my son's enthusiasm at encountering stuff for the first time, without a lot of the preconceptions. Especially with having started him out on Mentzer Classic, he often tries negotiation with the monsters - many players who came in ca 2000-2011 with 3e & 4e default to the "it's a combat encounter - roll init" mentality.

Those two 'critters' I think have been playing for about a year.

Good on you fro introducing your son to the hobby.

As I'm getting older as long as one is having fun and no one is being hurt physically (mentally that on them ) I see almost no wrong way to play the game. For lack of better comparison I was very Klingonesque when it came to encounters in my younger. Very much a hack and slash player and I outgrew that phase. As well as having some really good patient and willing to teach a newbie other styles of play. I find it easier to teach the younger players than the older players that not every creatures has to be attacked. With the older members very set in their ways. Were talking admantium set in their ways.

RPGPundit

#74
January 18, 2019, 07:36:36 AM
Quote from: S'mon;1071727Yup. I love seeing my son's enthusiasm at encountering stuff for the first time, without a lot of the preconceptions. Especially with having started him out on Mentzer Classic,

A very good place to start!
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