For further background, I'm in my mid 40's and games pretty steadily from high school until my late 30's. A combination of the kind of work I was doing making me keep weird hours and all of my gaming friends moving away caused me to drop out of and lose touch with the hobby.
So, what the hell am I walking back into? Looking at things online it seems like RPGs have gotten caught up in the same cultural fights as the rest of entertainment. Which, as a deeply apolitical person, isn't exactly thrilling to me. But I also realize that the loudest voices online rarely mirror what's going on in the real world, so this like a good place to ask some questions.
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 02:45:54 AMas a deeply apolitical person,
LOL. Good luck with that.
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Depends where you live and where you look. When recruiting players, you should make the ability to STFU about politics a pre-requisite for joining your table. The more open and upfront you are about organizing a totally non-political game table, the more likely your table will be comprised of deplorable far right Trump monsters thankful to game in peace.
Where are effective places to actually find them? Your friends, and their friends, perhaps co-workers, maybe family. There's some online "player-finder" tools, but I haven't used any other than MeetUp. Perhaps others here can point you to current quality online player finders. If you have a FLGS still standing after the shamdemic, consider posting there. I've met many GMs over the years who have run numerous campaigns only playing with people from their game store.
Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?No. Not at least by my definition of large numbers, and at least in regard to RPGs. However, the game your non-political table chooses to play is much less important than the quality of the players you find. Good luck.
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 14, 2021, 03:52:22 AM
Where are effective places to actually find them?
Your friends, and their friends, perhaps co-workers, maybe family.
This is spot on. I get the occasional person from this grouping that slides in something political, but it gets stamped out really fast. Because these are all people we know or know by extension, we understand two important aspects, 1) they are here to play a game and 2) outside the game they can function properly in society.
Five years ago my wife had never thrown a polyhedral. Two months ago she started DMg Strahd for a group of us.
Getting in is easy -
1) Go to the Game Company List thread - you'll find every game company going right now and their general political heat-level. Do not dismiss the Yellows entirely.
2) Cultivate your own group. Whether you're going to just be a player or GM. Find locals in your own area via whatever online resources or face-to-face places you can go where gamers gather. Curate the group of people you wanna play with.
3) If you don't GM - give it a try.
4) Non-D&D Systems - the moment you go Non-D&D you're going to start climbing a hill to find players. THAT'S OKAY. The key then becomes your responsibility in deciding what game you wanna play. Ironically nothing prevents you from playing older editions of D&D. There are lots of people, like yourself, that got out of the hobby or are in it, and still yearn for what they're familiar with. Depending on where you live there might be GM's from your era that are looking for people like *you* to join them. Get out there and look. Get on Discord and look for a local Discord group for local gamers.
As for which Non-D&D system - depends on what kind of gaming you're wanting to do. If you want D&D style fantasy, you could go with any of the OSR games out there. Dungeon Crawl Classics for example. The mechanics will be a snap for you to get into since it's D&D's DNA. Any of the OSR systems would be an easy fit for you - others here on this forum can be a huge help in guiding you, as there are a lot of OSR players here.
If you're looking for *anything* with a following, non-D&D systems have their respective fanbases at differing levels of the same range depending on your location. This is why I say find the system/setting that interests you - and just DIVE. Look for the people that wanna play that with you. Because the odds are they'll be the ones with the more likelihood of going the distance with you.
My personal recommendations - would be find an online game to get your feet wet.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlX78Yw9lbUMk2QwAZdpwNRGAd4Xe69eFgnFymWz6M0/edit (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlX78Yw9lbUMk2QwAZdpwNRGAd4Xe69eFgnFymWz6M0/edit) is the direct link to the list tenbones mentioned.
Also, nearly every game you might have been familiar with has been put into PDF and/or Print-on-Demand, cloned, or is otherwise available. (Games licensed from other media franchises are the big exceptions, although a lot of them have been cloned with the serial numbers filed off.) So if there's a system you'd like to get back into, let us know and we can probably direct you to it or its spiritual successor.
I second everything said already by the other posters.
The bones you should write a book about gaming, your post especially about finding players for non-D&D games should be in every rpg.
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 02:45:54 AM
For further background, I'm in my mid 40's and games pretty steadily from high school until my late 30's. A combination of the kind of work I was doing making me keep weird hours and all of my gaming friends moving away caused me to drop out of and lose touch with the hobby.
So, what the hell am I walking back into? Looking at things online it seems like RPGs have gotten caught up in the same cultural fights as the rest of entertainment. Which, as a deeply apolitical person, isn't exactly thrilling to me. But I also realize that the loudest voices online rarely mirror what's going on in the real world, so this like a good place to ask some questions.
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
1) The "cultural marxists" are trying to take over and ruin everything. There is no "seems" about it.
2) Depends on what you are doing. If you are looking to join a game try to find out what goes on in it. If it's on Twitch TV watch a few sessions, usually there are earlier ones immediately available.
If you are looking to START a game as DM then lay the law down from the start. Do not compromise, that is how it ALWAYS starts, every single institution ruined by leftism started with "just a few" compromises. It never ends.
For example, if I ever get my own game off the ground (and the Earth's orbit reverses), it is made clear that there are to be no obscenities (kids may be watching), the world is patriarchal, while there is no sex there are scantily-clad females (e.g. primitive tribe bikini), there is alignment and you must follow yours reasonably well or else, there are differences in attributes between males and females (especially strength), no constant throat clearing, stupid decisions- trying to rob a Riverlord or seriously threaten an Azuralupin- will result in certain death, and actions have consequences- killing and looting a roofolk tribe will bring retribution from any nearby leofolk. This game takes place on Ayundell and there is a set subcreation, physically and socially.
But here's the frustrating part you may encounter if you start a game or join one with set rules: you may well get somebody whom joins and then starts insisting things become more "progressive." That someone knew the rules from the start yet started with the "compromises" routine. Beware of such people, that is Saul Alinsky 101 in action.
By the same token if you join a "progressive" game you must tolerate whatever happens.
Good luck.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 14, 2021, 01:43:00 PM
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 02:45:54 AM
For further background, I'm in my mid 40's and games pretty steadily from high school until my late 30's. A combination of the kind of work I was doing making me keep weird hours and all of my gaming friends moving away caused me to drop out of and lose touch with the hobby.
So, what the hell am I walking back into? Looking at things online it seems like RPGs have gotten caught up in the same cultural fights as the rest of entertainment. Which, as a deeply apolitical person, isn't exactly thrilling to me. But I also realize that the loudest voices online rarely mirror what's going on in the real world, so this like a good place to ask some questions.
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
1) The "cultural marxists" are trying to take over and ruin everything. There is no "seems" about it.
2) Depends on what you are doing. If you are looking to join a game try to find out what goes on in it. If it's on Twitch TV watch a few sessions, usually there are earlier ones immediately available.
If you are looking to START a game as DM then lay the law down from the start. Do not compromise, that is how it ALWAYS starts, every single institution ruined by leftism started with "just a few" compromises. It never ends.
For example, if I ever get my own game off the ground (and the Earth's orbit reverses), it is made clear that there are to be no obscenities (kids may be watching), the world is patriarchal, while there is no sex there are scantily-clad females (e.g. primitive tribe bikini), there is alignment and you must follow yours reasonably well or else, there are differences in attributes between males and females (especially strength), no constant throat clearing, stupid decisions- trying to rob a Riverlord or seriously threaten an Azuralupin- will result in certain death, and actions have consequences- killing and looting a roofolk tribe will bring retribution from any nearby leofolk. This game takes place on Ayundell and there is a set subcreation, physically and socially.
But here's the frustrating part you may encounter if you start a game or join one with set rules: you may well get somebody whom joins and then starts insisting things become more "progressive." That someone knew the rules from the start yet started with the "compromises" routine. Beware of such people, that is Saul Alinsky 101 in action.
By the same token if you join a "progressive" game you must tolerate whatever happens.
Good luck.
What a total load of shit. Nothing like giving somebody advice on how to have fun by taking every opportunity to rage against the other.
This is a pretty strongly political site (just they're the goodies) ;D so maybe not the best place to ask.
IME: Lots of normies playing. Beyond D&D, only Call of Cthulu is big. You can easily find D&D or CoC games, eg on Roll20 for playing online. Try Meetup for in-person. IME, SJW-oriented groups generally use "LGBT Friendly" as their code when advertising, so you may want to avoid those. Obviously you'll find a smattering of regular L G B and probably T gamers all over, in normie games the typical assumption is that L G & B at least are not a big deal. IME most normie players neither know nor care if their fellow normie players are L G or B, and normie L G B players don't make a big deal of it (nor did the one T player I can recall).
You don't get it, do you HappyDaze?
The whole point of leftism is to infiltrate and ruin. The only reason one can run a game as he wishes at this time is only- and I want you to say that word 1,000 time ONLY- because they haven't gained the ability to force everyone to play it their way everywhere. Yet.
Here is the chain of "logic" they follow. I will keep it basic for you:
1) Leftism is about goodness and environmentalism (yeah keep buying those iPhones and such) and equal rights and love and etc.
2) Therefore anyone who is NOT a leftist opposes these things.
3) Therefore anyone who opposes these things is a Nazi.
4) We all know that Nazis deserve death.
5) Therefore anyone who opposes leftism deserves death.
Either you are hopelessly unaware of what has been happening or you are "trolling" here. For your sake I will assume the former. I have been on this mudball for over half a century and have seen it happening over the span of decades, noticing how it died down in the early 1980's (the imminent threat of WW3 had that effect).
Look at what happened to the "Dragonlance" project at WotC. Those two people actually agreed to the "compromises," yet they were still cancelled. Read that part again and again, HappyDaze- they AGREED to the demands, but were still cancelled. Hopefully even you can see that the whole procedure was nothing more than the hope they would disagree to something and that would be the excuse to get rid of them.
I myself have come under fire from some leftists about my own writings and pictures. Not many, granted, but I am a relatively obscure artist whose perspective tutorials are the most viewed things.
My advice stands, even if you do not comprehend it. By laying down the rules from the start- I'll try to explain it this way- everyone knows what exactly they are getting into. Therefore nobody has any business complaining about something. If I promise an adventure somewhere between "The Hobbit" and "Night of the Rabbit" but deliver something that makes "Game of Thrones" look like "The Little Koala" cartoons, then yes people have a right to complain- I misrepresented the game. I lied. But if I am honest and the game works that way how in any sane universe is that "raging," HappyDaze?
The problem is people infiltrating known things with their agendas. Perhaps you haven't heard about "James Bond," "Star Wars," "Star Trek," "Marvel," "DC," "Dr. Who," etc? NOTHING can be free of their agenda, it's just that right now they haven't the means nor the power to bring everything under their control. But they sure have come quite a ways since 1981, haven't they?
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 02:45:54 AM
For further background, I'm in my mid 40's and games pretty steadily from high school until my late 30's. A combination of the kind of work I was doing making me keep weird hours and all of my gaming friends moving away caused me to drop out of and lose touch with the hobby.
So, what the hell am I walking back into? Looking at things online it seems like RPGs have gotten caught up in the same cultural fights as the rest of entertainment. Which, as a deeply apolitical person, isn't exactly thrilling to me. But I also realize that the loudest voices online rarely mirror what's going on in the real world, so this like a good place to ask some questions.
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
Recruit friends and family. If you do not have any of those, you have bigger problems than finding gamers.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 14, 2021, 02:38:46 PM
You don't get it, do you HappyDaze?
The whole point of leftism is to infiltrate and ruin. The only reason one can run a game as he wishes at this time is only- and I want you to say that word 1,000 time ONLY- because they haven't gained the ability to force everyone to play it their way everywhere. Yet.
Here is the chain of "logic" they follow. I will keep it basic for you:
1) Leftism is about goodness and environmentalism (yeah keep buying those iPhones and such) and equal rights and love and etc.
2) Therefore anyone who is NOT a leftist opposes these things.
3) Therefore anyone who opposes these things is a Nazi.
4) We all know that Nazis deserve death.
5) Therefore anyone who opposes leftism deserves death.
Either you are hopelessly unaware of what has been happening or you are "trolling" here. For your sake I will assume the former. I have been on this mudball for over half a century and have seen it happening over the span of decades, noticing how it died down in the early 1980's (the imminent threat of WW3 had that effect).
Look at what happened to the "Dragonlance" project at WotC. Those two people actually agreed to the "compromises," yet they were still cancelled. Read that part again and again, HappyDaze- they AGREED to the demands, but were still cancelled. Hopefully even you can see that the whole procedure was nothing more than the hope they would disagree to something and that would be the excuse to get rid of them.
I myself have come under fire from some leftists about my own writings and pictures. Not many, granted, but I am a relatively obscure artist whose perspective tutorials are the most viewed things.
My advice stands, even if you do not comprehend it. By laying down the rules from the start- I'll try to explain it this way- everyone knows what exactly they are getting into. Therefore nobody has any business complaining about something. If I promise an adventure somewhere between "The Hobbit" and "Night of the Rabbit" but deliver something that makes "Game of Thrones" look like "The Little Koala" cartoons, then yes people have a right to complain- I misrepresented the game. I lied. But if I am honest and the game works that way how in any sane universe is that "raging," HappyDaze?
The problem is people infiltrating known things with their agendas. Perhaps you haven't heard about "James Bond," "Star Wars," "Star Trek," "Marvel," "DC," "Dr. Who," etc? NOTHING can be free of their agenda, it's just that right now they haven't the means nor the power to bring everything under their control. But they sure have come quite a ways since 1981, haven't they?
I'm not unaware of this line of bullshit, I just call it for what it is: bullshit.
There's no infiltation going on other than in the heads of the jackasses like you that actually believe the nonsense you read on the internet.
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 02:45:54 AM
For further background, I'm in my mid 40's and games pretty steadily from high school until my late 30's. A combination of the kind of work I was doing making me keep weird hours and all of my gaming friends moving away caused me to drop out of and lose touch with the hobby.
So, what the hell am I walking back into? Looking at things online it seems like RPGs have gotten caught up in the same cultural fights as the rest of entertainment. Which, as a deeply apolitical person, isn't exactly thrilling to me. But I also realize that the loudest voices online rarely mirror what's going on in the real world, so this like a good place to ask some questions.
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
Welcome, Cadwaladyr. I'm in a related position. Since the pandemic started last year, I lost my local Thursday night gaming group - who all moved away from the area. We kept up for a time with online games, but I will be looking to establish a new in-person gaming group over the next year.
Things that have helped for me:
(1) Playing and running games at local gaming conventions. Luckily, my area has a lot of local conventions, but most metro areas have at least one. It's a great way especially to meet other active gamers in the area, and to try out new systems.
(2) Playing with family. My son, nephews, and niece all play, so I've had some fun games with them. This summer, my brother-in-law ran a 5E module that I played in.
(3) My local gaming store. I had a new one just open up in my city, and I plan on organizing some games there to make new connections.
A lot of good advice and I appreciate it.
In the past, I have almost exclusively GMed, so that's what I would prefer. I realized now I also misstated one thing: when I said non-D&D, I meant non-WotC D&D. Basic, 1e, 2e, or an OSR game I'd be perfectly up for, but I'm just not sure how much of an actual playerbase any of those have at this point.
Family and friends would normally be the route I'd choose to take, but while the wife is actively encouraging to get back into running games and wants to play: The kids are off to college and friends and family have either moved or gone batshit insane during the pandemic(everything from super-woke to full Q-tard).
This is where I've run into a wall and realized that I'm going to have to actually interact with the broader gaming community to have any hope of putting a game together, and why I've been concerned about what I might be walking into. It does appear to me from what I'm reading here though that at least some people are having luck getting decent groups together from local cons or gaming stores, so that's a positive. Does surprise me a bit though that as much of a resurgence as TTRPGs are supposed to be having that no populaar digital tools for finding players/groups have emerged.
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 09:35:48 PM
A lot of good advice and I appreciate it.
In the past, I have almost exclusively GMed, so that's what I would prefer. I realized now I also misstated one thing: when I said non-D&D, I meant non-WotC D&D. Basic, 1e, 2e, or an OSR game I'd be perfectly up for, but I'm just not sure how much of an actual playerbase any of those have at this point.
Family and friends would normally be the route I'd choose to take, but while the wife is actively encouraging to get back into running games and wants to play: The kids are off to college and friends and family have either moved or gone batshit insane during the pandemic(everything from super-woke to full Q-tard).
This is where I've run into a wall and realized that I'm going to have to actually interact with the broader gaming community to have any hope of putting a game together, and why I've been concerned about what I might be walking into. It does appear to me from what I'm reading here though that at least some people are having luck getting decent groups together from local cons or gaming stores, so that's a positive. Does surprise me a bit though that as much of a resurgence as TTRPGs are supposed to be having that no populaar digital tools for finding players/groups have emerged.
You could try finding a TTRPG facebook group, maybe there's some non-crazy people in your area?
Another option would be a VTT, Roll20 is free up to a point and has support for the older D&D and some OSR games too.
If you want something simple you might want to try White Box https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/190631/White-Box--Fantastic-Medieval-Adventure-Game (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/190631/White-Box--Fantastic-Medieval-Adventure-Game)
Basic Fantasy is another OSR Gem, the PDF's are free and the printed books at cost or almost https://www.basicfantasy.org/ (https://www.basicfantasy.org/)
https://wiki.roll20.net/OSR (https://wiki.roll20.net/OSR)
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 09:35:48 PM
In the past, I have almost exclusively GMed, so that's what I would prefer. I realized now I also misstated one thing: when I said non-D&D, I meant non-WotC D&D. Basic, 1e, 2e, or an OSR game I'd be perfectly up for, but I'm just not sure how much of an actual playerbase any of those have at this point.
If you are willing to GM you should not have much trouble finding players via eg FLGS ads, social media, et al - Roll20 if online will have you spoiled for choice, though most of the initial players will flake.
Re OSR, Basic Fantasy RPG is particularly popular among more casual players as it sells printed at-cost on amazon, or free downloads at basicfantasy.org - but you can run eg 1e no problem either. It's finding a non-5e game that is tough, not offering one. I advertised Mini Six on Roll20 & got players! :) But you need to be willing to welcome newbies who have not played before.
The SJWs who are so active online IME mostly do not actually *play* RPGs at all (except maybe occasionally at conventions, where virtue signalling can be the main point), so you see very little of them in actual play groups. They are a danger to navigate when posting an advert, not really an issue in the actual play group.
Edit: If you do want to recruit fellow grognards, dragonsfoot.org has a good looking-for-game forum.
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 02:45:54 AM
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
I find new players on YouTube. New players find me there, also. I'm a niche player though. I don't do D&D, which is vastly more popular and has way more players.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:30:53 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 14, 2021, 02:38:46 PM
You don't get it, do you HappyDaze?
The whole point of leftism is to infiltrate and ruin. The only reason one can run a game as he wishes at this time is only- and I want you to say that word 1,000 time ONLY- because they haven't gained the ability to force everyone to play it their way everywhere. Yet.
Here is the chain of "logic" they follow. I will keep it basic for you:
1) Leftism is about goodness and environmentalism (yeah keep buying those iPhones and such) and equal rights and love and etc.
2) Therefore anyone who is NOT a leftist opposes these things.
3) Therefore anyone who opposes these things is a Nazi.
4) We all know that Nazis deserve death.
5) Therefore anyone who opposes leftism deserves death.
Either you are hopelessly unaware of what has been happening or you are "trolling" here. For your sake I will assume the former. I have been on this mudball for over half a century and have seen it happening over the span of decades, noticing how it died down in the early 1980's (the imminent threat of WW3 had that effect).
Look at what happened to the "Dragonlance" project at WotC. Those two people actually agreed to the "compromises," yet they were still cancelled. Read that part again and again, HappyDaze- they AGREED to the demands, but were still cancelled. Hopefully even you can see that the whole procedure was nothing more than the hope they would disagree to something and that would be the excuse to get rid of them.
I myself have come under fire from some leftists about my own writings and pictures. Not many, granted, but I am a relatively obscure artist whose perspective tutorials are the most viewed things.
My advice stands, even if you do not comprehend it. By laying down the rules from the start- I'll try to explain it this way- everyone knows what exactly they are getting into. Therefore nobody has any business complaining about something. If I promise an adventure somewhere between "The Hobbit" and "Night of the Rabbit" but deliver something that makes "Game of Thrones" look like "The Little Koala" cartoons, then yes people have a right to complain- I misrepresented the game. I lied. But if I am honest and the game works that way how in any sane universe is that "raging," HappyDaze?
The problem is people infiltrating known things with their agendas. Perhaps you haven't heard about "James Bond," "Star Wars," "Star Trek," "Marvel," "DC," "Dr. Who," etc? NOTHING can be free of their agenda, it's just that right now they haven't the means nor the power to bring everything under their control. But they sure have come quite a ways since 1981, haven't they?
I'm not unaware of this line of bullshit, I just call it for what it is: bullshit.
There's no infiltation going on other than in the heads of the jackasses like you that actually believe the nonsense you read on the internet.
Sorry to say, but you either have your head stuck so far in the sand you can find oil or you choose to ignore the obvious. How is it possible for any sane person to ignore the leftist infiltration that has been going on for years now? "Orcs are racist tropes." How is that NOT leftist infiltration? Making male white heterosexual heroes into "diversity" (e.g. Thor) or ruining existing ones (Luke Skywalker, Jean-Luc Picard), etc.
I've caught some flack over my characters from leftists, and I'm an obscure artist. So don't deny the obvious to someone like me- you will lose.
Are you attempting a Saul Alinsky tactic on someone who has seen it time and again or are you just that incredibly in denial?
To the original poster: if you are trying to start a game, make sure the rules and aspects of the game are made clear from the start. This way anyone trying to join knows what to expect. If someone starts causing trouble over some "ism" then you know you have a troublemaker, because that someone knew what the game was all about from the beginning. Why else would someone join a game they'd have issues with if not to disrupt it somehow?
Griswald,
Mr. Daze's sole purpose in being on this board consists of derailing useful discussions. There's no point in responding to him in any fashion, especially if doing so is going to have you drifting off-topic. Even when he backs away a little, he's just setting up for the next round. Don't feed the troll.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 15, 2021, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 14, 2021, 03:30:53 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 14, 2021, 02:38:46 PM
You don't get it, do you HappyDaze?
The whole point of leftism is to infiltrate and ruin. The only reason one can run a game as he wishes at this time is only- and I want you to say that word 1,000 time ONLY- because they haven't gained the ability to force everyone to play it their way everywhere. Yet.
Here is the chain of "logic" they follow. I will keep it basic for you:
1) Leftism is about goodness and environmentalism (yeah keep buying those iPhones and such) and equal rights and love and etc.
2) Therefore anyone who is NOT a leftist opposes these things.
3) Therefore anyone who opposes these things is a Nazi.
4) We all know that Nazis deserve death.
5) Therefore anyone who opposes leftism deserves death.
Either you are hopelessly unaware of what has been happening or you are "trolling" here. For your sake I will assume the former. I have been on this mudball for over half a century and have seen it happening over the span of decades, noticing how it died down in the early 1980's (the imminent threat of WW3 had that effect).
Look at what happened to the "Dragonlance" project at WotC. Those two people actually agreed to the "compromises," yet they were still cancelled. Read that part again and again, HappyDaze- they AGREED to the demands, but were still cancelled. Hopefully even you can see that the whole procedure was nothing more than the hope they would disagree to something and that would be the excuse to get rid of them.
I myself have come under fire from some leftists about my own writings and pictures. Not many, granted, but I am a relatively obscure artist whose perspective tutorials are the most viewed things.
My advice stands, even if you do not comprehend it. By laying down the rules from the start- I'll try to explain it this way- everyone knows what exactly they are getting into. Therefore nobody has any business complaining about something. If I promise an adventure somewhere between "The Hobbit" and "Night of the Rabbit" but deliver something that makes "Game of Thrones" look like "The Little Koala" cartoons, then yes people have a right to complain- I misrepresented the game. I lied. But if I am honest and the game works that way how in any sane universe is that "raging," HappyDaze?
The problem is people infiltrating known things with their agendas. Perhaps you haven't heard about "James Bond," "Star Wars," "Star Trek," "Marvel," "DC," "Dr. Who," etc? NOTHING can be free of their agenda, it's just that right now they haven't the means nor the power to bring everything under their control. But they sure have come quite a ways since 1981, haven't they?
I'm not unaware of this line of bullshit, I just call it for what it is: bullshit.
There's no infiltation going on other than in the heads of the jackasses like you that actually believe the nonsense you read on the internet.
Sorry to say, but you either have your head stuck so far in the sand you can find oil or you choose to ignore the obvious. How is it possible for any sane person to ignore the leftist infiltration that has been going on for years now? "Orcs are racist tropes." How is that NOT leftist infiltration? Making male white heterosexual heroes into "diversity" (e.g. Thor) or ruining existing ones (Luke Skywalker, Jean-Luc Picard), etc.
I've caught some flack over my characters from leftists, and I'm an obscure artist. So don't deny the obvious to someone like me- you will lose.
Are you attempting a Saul Alinsky tactic on someone who has seen it time and again or are you just that incredibly in denial?
To the original poster: if you are trying to start a game, make sure the rules and aspects of the game are made clear from the start. This way anyone trying to join knows what to expect. If someone starts causing trouble over some "ism" then you know you have a troublemaker, because that someone knew what the game was all about from the beginning. Why else would someone join a game they'd have issues with if not to disrupt it somehow?
You're taking the shit of a few vocal jackals on the internet way too seriously. Get your head out of your ass and realize that the internet isn't representing how most people really are. The people on the internet only have the power over you that you give them.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on October 15, 2021, 02:48:34 PM
Griswald,
Mr. Daze's sole purpose in being on this board consists of derailing useful discussions. There's no point in responding to him in any fashion, especially if doing so is going to have you drifting off-topic. Even when he backs away a little, he's just setting up for the next round. Don't feed the troll.
That's not true at all. I discuss gaming. I do troll the armchair Culture Warriors that think they are making some kind of grand stand when they're just idiots stuck Ina massive LARP.
Nah - WotC owns D&D, and they're giving cover to the minority of Turdlagtites dripping their shit to the consumers below.
Give them nothing.
Happy Daze is our resident retard. Don't block him if you enjoy cringe humor or you'll miss his inadvertently amusing posts where he thinks he's trolling his foes while gobbling Tide pods and foaming at the mouth.
Quote from: tenbones on October 14, 2021, 10:57:01 AM4) Non-D&D Systems - the moment you go Non-D&D you're going to start climbing a hill to find players. THAT'S OKAY. The key then becomes your responsibility in deciding what game you wanna play.
I'm gonna debate this point somewhat. I think the hill climb is minimal.
I find that many players just want to have fun playing something. Most default to D&D because that's what most are playing BUT I have found that its pretty easy to put together a group who are open to new games IF that's how you recruit them.
AKA, a "We Try New Stuff" gaming group that rotates GMs and/or games on some regular cycle and the players are those who are excited by trying RPGs the never or rarely played before.
Of course, its easier to make this happen with a new group recruited with this premise up front than to alter a group whose reason for existence is to play D&D. This is especially easy when recuiting players are vocal about "I'll try anything", but even with them, I'd narrow down favorite group genres and playstyles in advance so they match up with the GM's preferences.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 15, 2021, 02:39:03 PM
Sorry to say, but you either have your head stuck so far in the sand you can find oil or you choose to ignore the obvious. How is it possible for any sane person to ignore the leftist infiltration that has been going on for years now?
HappyDaze doesn't believe in SJWs or Cancel Culture. Or they are both of them.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 02:53:25 PMThat's not true at all. I discuss gaming. I do troll the armchair Culture Warriors that think they are making some kind of grand stand when they're just idiots stuck Ina massive LARP.
A quick perusal of your post history suggests otherwise.
Quote from: GnomeWorks on October 15, 2021, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 02:53:25 PMThat's not true at all. I discuss gaming. I do troll the armchair Culture Warriors that think they are making some kind of grand stand when they're just idiots stuck Ina massive LARP.
A quick perusal of your post history suggests otherwise.
Really? Is that perhaps because there's so much more of the political nonsense to laugh at and far less actual gaming talk going on? I think so.
I am impressed to your commitment @Happy. It doesn't matter how many people explain it to you, or offer our direct experience, or show ways we've been actively harmed / impacted. You just laugh at / insult anyone who disagrees with your narrative.
As I've stated elsewhere I'm a liberal who was recently, and unwillingly redpilled. When you start having opportunities taken away because of the color of your skin, and your gender, you sit up and take notice. I am an author. I make my living selling books. This hit me hard and personally.
Here's the list of things off the top of my head we've lost of late
- We lost the Hugos
- We lost the nebulas
- Ghostbusters 2016 blatantly crapped all over men, and was embraced
- Supergirl, the Flash, and all the other DC properties are vehicles for activism and don't even pretend to have a story any more
- Superman is bisexual
- Most of the big conventions are now more concerned with microaggressions than content
- D&D just jettisoned age, height, and weight. How does that not penetrate your cloud of cognitive dissonance?
- Magic cards like Stone Throwing Devils have been banned with no stated justification.
- Luke Skywalker is a washed up old hermit who betrayed everything he taught us to believe in growing up
- The skin color and gender of the vast majority of people who played and built this hobby is now literally problematic. You know this is the case, or you're willfully blind. I have lost speaking gigs and podcast interviews, and they've been candid that immutable characteristics are the reason why.
- Actor friends are being told that they're not a good fit...because of their skin color.
I could go on, and on, and on, but I feel like you'd just go down the list and discredit each, or more likely, fire back an insult and a dismissal because your cognitive dissonance demands you look away from the truth.
Our culture is being engineered. George Orwell posited that if the first half of the 21st century was about technical engineering, then the second half would be about social engineering, and that after that would come world domination. Whether it's 1984, or A Brave New World, we're not going to like the outcome.
You can remain willfully blind, but too many people here have seen too much for your nonsense to gain any traction. Keep trying though. It's fun to watch.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:34:36 PM
I am impressed to your commitment @Happy. It doesn't matter how many people explain it to you, or offer our direct experience, or show ways we've been actively harmed / impacted. You just laugh at / insult anyone who disagrees with your narrative.
As I've stated elsewhere I'm a liberal who was recently, and unwillingly redpilled. When you start having opportunities taken away because of the color of your skin, and your gender, you sit up and take notice. I am an author. I make my living selling books. This hit me hard and personally.
Here's the list of things off the top of my head we've lost of late
- We lost the Hugos
- We lost the nebulas
- Ghostbusters 2016 blatantly crapped all over men, and was embraced
- Supergirl, the Flash, and all the other DC properties are vehicles for activism and don't even pretend to have a story any more
- Superman is bisexual
- Most of the big conventions are now more concerned with microaggressions than content
- D&D just jettisoned age, height, and weight. How does that not penetrate your cloud of cognitive dissonance?
- Magic cards like Stone Throwing Devils have been banned with no stated justification.
- Luke Skywalker is a washed up old hermit who betrayed everything he taught us to believe in growing up
- The skin color and gender of the vast majority of people who played and built this hobby is now literally problematic. You know this is the case, or you're willfully blind. I have lost speaking gigs and podcast interviews, and they've been candid that immutable characteristics are the reason why.
- Actor friends are being told that they're not a good fit...because of their skin color.
I could go on, and on, and on, but I feel like you'd just go down the list and discredit each, or more likely, fire back an insult and a dismissal because your cognitive dissonance demands you look away from the truth.
Our culture is being engineered. George Orwell posited that if the first half of the 21st century was about technical engineering, then the second half would be about social engineering, and that after that would come world domination. Whether it's 1984, or A Brave New World, we're not going to like the outcome.
You can remain willfully blind, but too many people here have seen too much for your nonsense to gain any traction. Keep trying though. It's fun to watch.
Glad you're having fun too. Can't say as I give two shits about most of your list (CW shows, Ghostbusters 2016, what D&D is doing in two years, MtG card nonsense, etc.) but the part about people losing work is meaningful. I still say it's silly to tie that as closely with the nonsense bits as most here like to do, but some can't disentangle the meaningful from the crap. Those are the ones I like to poke at.
Are you familiar with Alexander Solzhenitsyn? I highly suggest the Gulag Archipelago.
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning. The trouble is that we've seen all this play out before, so it makes watching it happen again very easy to spot.
The Attorney General of the United States put out a memo asking the FBI to prosecute parents who show up at school board meetings. One man already spent 10 days in jail for protesting the rape of his daughter in a school bathroom. This "right side of history" mentality is being disseminated by schools. They control the government now, or did you not have a gander at the 3.5 trillion bill, and the fun woke items it included?
You know who talked about controlling schools? Stalin. San Francisco is in my backyard, and just spent $120 million of their $680 million budget "righting racially-based disparities". We're falling off a cliff in national rankings scholastically.
What does all this have to do with gaming? They're destroying culture, because that's one of the stepping stones to a totalitarian government. Games are a big part of culture. It isn't a joke. It isn't funny. It's terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. It may just seem like silly games, but I promise you it's a lot more.
@ The OP...if you're looking to build a group keep all this in mind when you do. If you allow a player at your table who is pushing social issues it will take over your game. Spoken from experience. We're talking wheelchairs in the wilderness. This is not an exaggeration in any way.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."
You'd better pray we're deluded fools.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:58:36 PM
You'd better pray we're deluded fools.
Because some other shitty show will preach at me when I'm not watching it?
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:34:36 PM
I am impressed to your commitment @Happy. It doesn't matter how many people explain it to you, or offer our direct experience, or show ways we've been actively harmed / impacted. You just laugh at / insult anyone who disagrees with your narrative.
As I've stated elsewhere I'm a liberal who was recently, and unwillingly redpilled. When you start having opportunities taken away because of the color of your skin, and your gender, you sit up and take notice. I am an author. I make my living selling books. This hit me hard and personally.
Here's the list of things off the top of my head we've lost of late
- We lost the Hugos
- We lost the nebulas
- Ghostbusters 2016 blatantly crapped all over men, and was embraced
- Supergirl, the Flash, and all the other DC properties are vehicles for activism and don't even pretend to have a story any more
- Superman is bisexual
- Most of the big conventions are now more concerned with microaggressions than content
- D&D just jettisoned age, height, and weight. How does that not penetrate your cloud of cognitive dissonance?
- Magic cards like Stone Throwing Devils have been banned with no stated justification.
- Luke Skywalker is a washed up old hermit who betrayed everything he taught us to believe in growing up
- The skin color and gender of the vast majority of people who played and built this hobby is now literally problematic. You know this is the case, or you're willfully blind. I have lost speaking gigs and podcast interviews, and they've been candid that immutable characteristics are the reason why.
- Actor friends are being told that they're not a good fit...because of their skin color.
I could go on, and on, and on, but I feel like you'd just go down the list and discredit each, or more likely, fire back an insult and a dismissal because your cognitive dissonance demands you look away from the truth.
Our culture is being engineered. George Orwell posited that if the first half of the 21st century was about technical engineering, then the second half would be about social engineering, and that after that would come world domination. Whether it's 1984, or A Brave New World, we're not going to like the outcome.
You can remain willfully blind, but too many people here have seen too much for your nonsense to gain any traction. Keep trying though. It's fun to watch.
Greetings!
Chris,you are spot on with your observations and examples. All of them are very true, and even the seemingly "meaningless bits" are reflective of deeper, disturbing dynamics and corrupting influence. There are very good reasons why millions of people across the country are waking up--and becoming enraged--at all of the Marxist BS being pumped into our society. Notice how interesting school board meetings have become now from across the country? ;D
It is also fun and interesting how many forum members here have HappyDaze on their Ignore List. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Note that if you argue with Happy, you are derailing the topic, which is his goal. If you make the conversation about him, you've also derailed the topic and helped him meet his goal. He does not want people to get useful information about gaming from this forum, especially new members.
So meanwhile back on the topic ...
Quote from: Cadwaladyr on October 14, 2021, 02:45:54 AM
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
Harder than it once was, not impossible. Since you said you like to GM, you've surmounted the first, most difficult barrier to starting up a niche game.
First, if the GM runs a good game of anything, you can get players worth having.
However, some of them may be casual players. They may not be up for a serious pretend elf game that happens with focused dedication 3-4 hours every week or every other week. They probably won't be up for a really involved system (at least not right out of the gate) or switching systems often. Once they start having fun and develop some trust for you as a GM, they'll be willing to try more of that.
With the friends and family and acquaintances not the best avenue in your case, you'll have to explore a little and takes some chances. If some of those people haven't gone completely off the rails and
might be interested, set up a casual game and see what happens. If you get a player or two out of it, they may know more like-minded people you can invite to try.
Hide a lot of the complexity of whatever system you use (even, say, 1980's Basic D&D) from these players until they seem ready for it. Use pregens or at least a simplified form of decision making in character building. Try to have it where they can make their first characters in 30 minutes, and once they know how can do it in no more than 15. Then launch them into a simple game with some obvious decisions. Remember that anything that might seem old hat to you is all new to them.
If you find a dedicated gamer out of this early bunch or someone that is becoming one, get them to help you. Think specifically about how to make it fun to recruit casuals, get them having fun right away, and then learning the game gradually. Even one "expert" on the other side of the screen helps a lot, especially if that expert is onboard with bringing them into the game (i.e. not dominating the game but keeping the party unstuck).
Your eventual goal is to host somewhere that you or a like-minded member of the group is in control. Ideal is home or apartment. Next best is some reasonably private room in a public venue. You want this game to be "invitation only". As the group grows, you want everyone explicitly aware of why they were invited and the criteria for new members. At a minimum, it has to include the "no politics" clause you want plus a "good fit for the group". If you find good players that don't fit with the group but you like, give serious consideration to starting a second group. (My criteria is that I won't game with anyone that I wouldn't invite to my home for some other reason, such as a dinner or some other activity.)
Getting there, is the conundrum that you want to vet players to see if they fit but to do so you have to temporarily bring them partially into the venue and/or group. There's no perfect answer to that, and it very much depends on what is available. This is where starting a separate online game may be useful even if it isn't your first choice--specifically starting such a game with online players that are reasonably local and could be invited to the table later. You'd be surprised what kind of radius that can cover too. I've had players drive 2+ hours one way for a game.
Next hardest part after finding a GM is getting started. Because as soon as you have a couple of players worth keeping, it's easier to get more. So don't get discouraged if it takes some floundering to get to that point, because that's where it can begin to take off.
Depending on where you live, you could look to see if there is any gamer guilds/groups in the area. Also if there are any conventions. They might be on facebook or some other social app.
As far as gaming people go, most are fine and keep politics and such out of games.
I do agree with having a contract or declaration about "rules" for gaming but nothing to the level of X-cards, or check lists on what topics are okay. I have personal reasons for doing it. Outside of that usual stuff for making characters no evil, or as I am running Necessary Evil no psychotic evil, essentially overall your character can fit with other PCs; you can make that anti-social loner character but they need to still going on adventure/missions/tasks with the others.
So document is pretty basic, but it included what I expect from players: attendance, "don't assume to worst", if there is an issue please contact me, please pay attention and focused on game, no RL agenda in game, don't bury an issue and let it stew. Just basic stuff that is usually unsaid but something that I am terrible at communicating and understanding.
The other half is what players can expect from me: number of people needed to run a session, "don't assume the worst", if there is an issue I will contact you, if we are incompatible I will ask you to leave (very rare only 2 people so far), scheduling and communication.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."
I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 18, 2021, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."
I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
So you're using the method you claim I'm using and deny that you're spewing nonsensical shit while trying to get others to bury their heads in your ass and not listen to me. Good luck.
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 18, 2021, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."
I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 18, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 18, 2021, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."
I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
Your denial is obvious, and your inability to grasp it is sad. I pity you.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 18, 2021, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 18, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 18, 2021, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."
I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
Your denial is obvious, and your inability to grasp it is sad. I pity you.
That's funny. I feel like a lot of us were about to say the same thing about you.
I pity you Happy, and I mean that genuinely. I'd never put you on ignore, because I want to be here when you wake up. Someday you will understand what we were saying, and why. I don't believe you're a troll. I believe you genuinely think the lot of us are full of shit.
You've been incredibly rude to so many of us, just outright insulting our opinions, and our character. And you never seem to realize that you exist here to prove we are right. Your posts have done more than anything I could have said to show just how far along this culture war is, and how blatantly hostile those persecuting it have become.
I wonder if you'd speak to me in person the way you do here. Somehow I doubt it. The funny thing about leftists is they're brave when in a faceless crowd wearing a mask. They're brave when they can hide behind anonymity. But put them in a situation where they have to treat someone with respect or risk an ass kicking? I bet you're a meek little rabbit in person.
You're a small yappy dog, with about the same level of intelligence.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 18, 2021, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 18, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 18, 2021, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 15, 2021, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."
I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
Your denial is obvious, and your inability to grasp it is sad. I pity you.
That's funny. I feel like a lot of us were about to say the same thing about you.
I pity you Happy, and I mean that genuinely. I'd never put you on ignore, because I want to be here when you wake up. Someday you will understand what we were saying, and why. I don't believe you're a troll. I believe you genuinely think the lot of us are full of shit.
You've been incredibly rude to so many of us, just outright insulting our opinions, and our character. And you never seem to realize that you exist here to prove we are right. Your posts have done more than anything I could have said to show just how far along this culture war is, and how blatantly hostile those persecuting it have become.
I wonder if you'd speak to me in person the way you do here. Somehow I doubt it. The funny thing about leftists is they're brave when in a faceless crowd wearing a mask. They're brave when they can hide behind anonymity. But put them in a situation where they have to treat someone with respect or risk an ass kicking? I bet you're a meek little rabbit in person.
You're a small yappy dog, with about the same level of intelligence.
Come at me bro. You want to talk tough?
I do call people on their shit to their faces all the time. Come visit Disney World and we can meet up for a chat.
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you work at Disney World and you want me to come 1 v 1 you? How do you see that playing out? I kind of feel like your employer might frown on you assaulting a guest.
I speak at conferences all the time, and am regularly in Florida. You're a chicken shit user name. I'm a real person, who can easily be found. My address is public, and so is the list of conferences I'm speaking at this year and next.
I'm a power lifter with a rage problem. I have no reason to go to Disney World, because I don't give money to people who hate me. You want to meet up? Let's find a nice quite park where no one will interrupt our discussion. I stand up for my beliefs and principles, and here's a reminder, shit bag...
You're the only person in this thread, or any of the others, who came out swinging. You attack everyone. I was polite to you, and willing to discuss. Now I see you're like I said...
...a useless, pathetic, yappy little dog. You take issue with me saying that? Well you know where to find me.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 10:07:05 PM
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you work at Disney World and you want me to come 1 v 1 you? How do you see that playing out? I kind of feel like your employer might frown on you assaulting a guest.
I speak at conferences all the time, and am regularly in Florida. You're a chicken shit user name. I'm a real person, who can easily be found. My address is public, and so is the list of conferences I'm speaking at this year and next.
I'm a power lifter with a rage problem. I have no reason to go to Disney World, because I don't give money to people who hate me. You want to meet up? Let's find a nice quite park where no one will interrupt our discussion. I stand up for my beliefs and principles, and here's a reminder, shit bag...
You're the only person in this thread, or any of the others, who came out swinging. You attack everyone. I was polite to you, and willing to discuss. Now I see you're like I said...
...a useless, pathetic, yappy little dog. You take issue with me saying that? Well you know where to find me.
No dumbass, I don't work at Disney, but it's a great place to meet all kinds of people. Also, I said have a chat...are you the one that's going to escalate to violence? Oh, you have a rage problem? I'll be sure to forward that information to the police and we'll keep our meeting on film. So, wanna meet up for a talk or can you not control yourself, bitch?
I can control myself just fine, and I didn't suggest any sort of escalation to violence. I just implied that if you started anything I would break you and leave you in a pile of your own blood. I don't like to fight. But I have been in many fights.
Your post said, and I quote, "Come at me bro." How else would you suggest I take that? That sounds like you, aforementioned pathetic yappy dog, challenging me to a fight. You suggested we meet up in real life for a "chat" which you're clearly intimating is meant to be a fight where you kick my ass.
I'm calling your bluff. You're a pathetic nobody who lashes out at people on a gaming forum. I didn't start this. I prefer being cordial, and civil. But you're insulting an dismissive, so I answer you in the tone you use.
My life is verifiable. On what grounds do you think I'm a bitch?
I stand by my original assertion. You're a pathetic, yappy, nothing. Your logic is lacking. Your arguments are weak. That upsets you, so you attack people.
When half a forum has you on ignore, and the other just thinks you're a prick, at what point does the possibility that you're in the wrong cross your mind?
Come insult me in public and try and make it a legal problem with the cops, and watch how quickly I turn that back on you. Yap. Yap yap.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
I can control myself just fine, and I didn't suggest any sort of escalation to violence. I just implied that if you started anything I would break you and leave you in a pile of your own blood. I don't like to fight. But I have been in many fights.
The level of irony is off the charts.
Quote from: Pat on October 18, 2021, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
I can control myself just fine, and I didn't suggest any sort of escalation to violence. I just implied that if you started anything I would break you and leave you in a pile of your own blood. I don't like to fight. But I have been in many fights.
The level of irony is off the charts.
Is it? Because this is an important distinction, whether you like me or not, Pat. Being willing to defend yourself is not the same thing as going around attacking people.
My original point to Happy is this...I don't think he'd behave in person the way he's behaving on these forums. And the pattern is always the same. Snide remarks, leading to insults.
I'm not claiming I'm any better. We've established I'm a patronizing asshole. I got that way after dealing with a million HappyDaze's, on every forum I used to run on. They're all gone now.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 11:02:35 PM
Quote from: Pat on October 18, 2021, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
I can control myself just fine, and I didn't suggest any sort of escalation to violence. I just implied that if you started anything I would break you and leave you in a pile of your own blood. I don't like to fight. But I have been in many fights.
The level of irony is off the charts.
Is it? Because this is an important distinction, whether you like me or not, Pat. Being willing to defend yourself is not the same thing as going around attacking people.
My original point to Happy is this...I don't think he'd behave in person the way he's behaving on these forums. And the pattern is always the same. Snide remarks, leading to insults.
I'm not claiming I'm any better. We've established I'm a patronizing asshole. I got that way after dealing with a million HappyDaze's, on every forum I used to run on. They're all gone now.
Alluding to physical violence is a type of escalation, and so is chest puffing. And I think you're jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly. HappyDaze is an admitted sometimes-troll, but also makes some real contributions and has some good perspectives on some issues. And I say that as someone who has been as odds with HD on most issues, for a while. It's a response to being attacked a lot for having slightly different opinions than many on this board, and people immediately assuming the worst and jumping to crazy conclusions. Something I'm becoming more and more sympathetic to, myself. This board seems to be developing a stronger form of clannish groupthink.
I said I bet he wouldn't be brave enough to talk like that in person, which is a form of escalation. He responded by saying come at my bro, which is also escalation. Every post from him has been aggressive, dismissive, and patronizing. He pities us. We have our heads up our asses.
You can't speak to people like that. Too many of us have had too much of it, and we aren't going to sit down and take it any more. That's not a threat of violence. That's a bear who has been poked too many times. We're not backing away. We're not turning the other cheek. We're answering tone with tone.
If Happy wants to be a patronizing prick, then I will be a bigger patronizing prick. If Happy is actually capable of communicating like an adult, I could go that route too. Their post history suggest they are not.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
I said I bet he wouldn't be brave enough to talk like that in person, which is a form of escalation. He responded by saying come at my bro, which is also escalation. Every post from him has been aggressive, dismissive, and patronizing. He pities us. We have our heads up our asses.
You can't speak to people like that. Too many of us have had too much of it, and we aren't going to sit down and take it any more. That's not a threat of violence. That's a bear who has been poked too many times. We're not backing away. We're not turning the other cheek. We're answering tone with tone.
If Happy wants to be a patronizing prick, then I will be a bigger patronizing prick. If Happy is actually capable of communicating like an adult, I could go that route too. Their post history suggest they are not.
Greetings!
Stay strong, Chris! Light up a cigar, and have a drink. "Half the board has HappyDaze on ignore, and the other half thinks he's a prick." *Laughing* Ahh, so funny. I believe it. So many members just in recent weeks have put HappyDaze on their ignore list, too. Sad. Not that long ago, HappyDaze seemed like a reasonable, intelligent, good-humoured member. Then one day he just went nuts after getting into a fight with another member, and he hasn't been the same since.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Pat on October 18, 2021, 11:34:42 PM
Alluding to physical violence is a type of escalation, and so is chest puffing. And I think you're jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly. HappyDaze is an admitted sometimes-troll, but also makes some real contributions and has some good perspectives on some issues. And I say that as someone who has been as odds with HD on most issues, for a while. It's a response to being attacked a lot for having slightly different opinions than many on this board, and people immediately assuming the worst and jumping to crazy conclusions. Something I'm becoming more and more sympathetic to, myself. This board seems to be developing a stronger form of clannish groupthink.
I always thought that you were in so many arguments because you liked to fight.
Quote from: Shasarak on October 19, 2021, 12:13:41 AM
Quote from: Pat on October 18, 2021, 11:34:42 PM
Alluding to physical violence is a type of escalation, and so is chest puffing. And I think you're jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly. HappyDaze is an admitted sometimes-troll, but also makes some real contributions and has some good perspectives on some issues. And I say that as someone who has been as odds with HD on most issues, for a while. It's a response to being attacked a lot for having slightly different opinions than many on this board, and people immediately assuming the worst and jumping to crazy conclusions. Something I'm becoming more and more sympathetic to, myself. This board seems to be developing a stronger form of clannish groupthink.
I always thought that you were in so many arguments because you liked to fight.
I like discussing things. That doesn't seem to happen much, anymore.
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
I said I bet he wouldn't be brave enough to talk like that in person, which is a form of escalation. He responded by saying come at my bro, which is also escalation. Every post from him has been aggressive, dismissive, and patronizing. He pities us. We have our heads up our asses.
You can't speak to people like that. Too many of us have had too much of it, and we aren't going to sit down and take it any more. That's not a threat of violence. That's a bear who has been poked too many times. We're not backing away. We're not turning the other cheek. We're answering tone with tone.
If Happy wants to be a patronizing prick, then I will be a bigger patronizing prick. If Happy is actually capable of communicating like an adult, I could go that route too. Their post history suggest they are not.
Greetings!
Stay strong, Chris! Light up a cigar, and have a drink. "Half the board has HappyDaze on ignore, and the other half thinks he's a prick." *Laughing* Ahh, so funny. I believe it. So many members just in recent weeks have put HappyDaze on their ignore list, too. Sad. Not that long ago, HappyDaze seemed like a reasonable, intelligent, good-humoured member. Then one day he just went nuts after getting into a fight with another member, and he hasn't been the same since.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You used to post a lot of good content, with the jovial camaraderie you're exhibiting in this post. But somewhere in there, you started posting a lot of bombast about exterminating people who think differently. (Though you're back to posting some good content, in the last couple days.)
The board's changed, in a fairly short time. People with slightly divergent opinions get dogpiled, and posters immediately assign every trait they oppose to anyone who disagrees with anything they say. That's not new in itself, but it's gotten a lot more intense, frequent, and binary. Is it any wonder those who don't conform with the zeitgeist get a little sensitive? They're under constant barrage.
I've done it myself, because many of the opinions here are anti-establishment, and when everyone in the media is parroting the same lie about smiling kids being a threat because they wear the wrong hat, or human medicine prescribed by an M.D. being animal paste, it's easy to feel under barrage, and become hypersensitive, even in an eddy where the flow of opinions have reversed. And global prickly combined with local prickly result in a herd of porcupines hissing at each other.
That's why I argue we need to stop this. It's not a war that will be won on this board, so why fight using any means necessary? Why not talk, extend good faith, tolerate divergent opinions, make things more pleasant, and maybe have discussions where we learn more about different points of view.
Quote from: Pat on October 19, 2021, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
I said I bet he wouldn't be brave enough to talk like that in person, which is a form of escalation. He responded by saying come at my bro, which is also escalation. Every post from him has been aggressive, dismissive, and patronizing. He pities us. We have our heads up our asses.
You can't speak to people like that. Too many of us have had too much of it, and we aren't going to sit down and take it any more. That's not a threat of violence. That's a bear who has been poked too many times. We're not backing away. We're not turning the other cheek. We're answering tone with tone.
If Happy wants to be a patronizing prick, then I will be a bigger patronizing prick. If Happy is actually capable of communicating like an adult, I could go that route too. Their post history suggest they are not.
Greetings!
Stay strong, Chris! Light up a cigar, and have a drink. "Half the board has HappyDaze on ignore, and the other half thinks he's a prick." *Laughing* Ahh, so funny. I believe it. So many members just in recent weeks have put HappyDaze on their ignore list, too. Sad. Not that long ago, HappyDaze seemed like a reasonable, intelligent, good-humoured member. Then one day he just went nuts after getting into a fight with another member, and he hasn't been the same since.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You used to post a lot of good content, with the jovial camaraderie you're exhibiting in this post. But somewhere in there, you started posting a lot of bombast about exterminating people who think differently. (Though you're back to posting some good content, in the last couple days.)
The board's changed, in a fairly short time. People with slightly divergent opinions get dogpiled, and posters immediately assign every trait they oppose to anyone who disagrees with anything they say. That's not new in itself, but it's gotten a lot more intense, frequent, and binary. Is it any wonder those who don't conform with the zeitgeist get a little sensitive? They're under constant barrage.
I've done it myself, because many of the opinions here are anti-establishment, and when everyone in the media is parroting the same lie about smiling kids being a threat because they wear the wrong hat, or human medicine prescribed by an M.D. being animal paste, it's easy to feel under barrage, and become hypersensitive, even in an eddy where the flow of opinions have reversed. And global prickly combined with local prickly result in a herd of porcupines hissing at each other.
That's why I argue we need to stop this. It's not a war that will be won on this board, so why fight using any means necessary? Why not talk, extend good faith, tolerate divergent opinions, make things more pleasant, and maybe have discussions where we learn more about different points of view.
Greetings!
Well, thank you, Pat. ;D I like posting stuff about gaming the most. As for politics--I reserve my disdain for Communists.
In considering the board, and any kind of changing dynamic, well, I think there's a difference between expressing a disagreement on some issue, holding a different view about *whatever*--and making personal attacks, ad hominems, and direct insults towards other members. I don't believe that many here get overly hostile when someone expresses disagreement--it is when someone starts insulting individuals and making personal attacks that derail so many discussions--or at least, simply generate entirely hostile relationships between various individuals.
Then again, perhaps many of the conservative members have become more hostile and belligerent in response to the smarmy condescension and hostility of SJW's. There's defintely a short tolerance for SJW's and their typical attitudes here. Throughout society, the Marxist SJW's are shrieking at anyone and everyone that disagrees with them, and I imagine some folks here must bite their tongue at work, at school, or even with some of their own family members, so here--I suppose it feels like one of the few places available that more conservative, or traditional-minded people don't have to bite their tongue towards SJW's--so, when the SJW's and various kinds of trolls and idiots run their mouth here, they tend to get shredded very quickly.
Heh. Perhaps you are right though, and more and more people are just more belligerent, and enjoy confrontation. Our society is, as you mentioned, both globally and locally, undergoing a lot of BS and stress, and all of that bottled up frustration comes out on display here.
I think a decent example of a nice Liberal SJW is Jhkim. He manages to maintain a civil tone, and is generally pleasant and respectful. Personally, he and I disagree on oh, I suppose almost everything, though I don't attack him personally. Most SJW's are typically hostile, swarmy, and condescending, as well as arrogant and insulting, so I can understand the flame-throwing responses they recieve here from most members. As for other members, and other topics, yeah, I can see a increase in the whole insult frame. Some of the arguments that you have gotten into with other members here over various, sometimes obscure topics, the hostile responses seem to come pretty fast, with numerous accusations of lying, misquoting, misattributing what you or someone else said, ARRGGHHHH. I think that such absolute hostility and belligerence on many of these kinds of topics is unfortunate and unneccessary. I sometimes wonder, if member A, B, C, and D, and a half dozen others, met up at a Texas Roadhouse for some food and beer, would people actually have conversations where they speak like they do here to people? I don't think so, but then again, I could be wrong on that. Lately, lots of people do a lot of things that people didn't used to do, whether it's some young girl throwing a cup of ht coffee at a man or not wearing a mask outside a Starbucks, or women pulling guns on McDonald's drive-thru workers because the French Fries were lukewarm, or some guy shooting and killing some other guy over disputing a fucking parking space at a Walmart parking lot. Society is dfintely stretching at the seams and unravelling.
I'm glad that you like the content that I post up here too, Pat. I try to post interesting content, cool ideas and topics for members and friends to enjoy. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Pat on October 19, 2021, 12:19:14 AM
I like discussing things. That doesn't seem to happen much, anymore.
It's difficult to have a discussion when an argument will probably break out instead. Narrow difference sometimes, I know. Plus, a discussion is unlikely to go on for very many posts, by its very nature, whereas an argument can last much longer, even before it heats up into a fight instead.
Quote from: Pat on October 19, 2021, 12:36:43 AM
The board's changed, in a fairly short time. People with slightly divergent opinions get dogpiled, and posters immediately assign every trait they oppose to anyone who disagrees with anything they say. That's not new in itself, but it's gotten a lot more intense, frequent, and binary. Is it any wonder those who don't conform with the zeitgeist get a little sensitive? They're under constant barrage.
Two reasons, I think. One is Ocule's List of Woke Companies. I can't recall the last time we saw a new member surge like this. There are new posters joining who are fed up with Woke. And SJWs post as well, trying to sabotage or ridicule the list. I only hope they both stick around and discuss games.
The other reason might be the departure of a bunch of moderate-left posters a while back to form the Pub, which seems to be the place to discuss Mythras.
Quote from: Aglondir on October 19, 2021, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Pat on October 19, 2021, 12:36:43 AM
The board's changed, in a fairly short time. People with slightly divergent opinions get dogpiled, and posters immediately assign every trait they oppose to anyone who disagrees with anything they say. That's not new in itself, but it's gotten a lot more intense, frequent, and binary. Is it any wonder those who don't conform with the zeitgeist get a little sensitive? They're under constant barrage.
Two reasons, I think. One is Ocule's List of Woke Companies. I can't recall the last time we saw a new member surge like this. There are new posters joining who are fed up with Woke. And SJWs post as well, trying to sabotage or ridicule the list. I only hope they both stick around and discuss games.
The other reason might be the departure of a bunch of moderate-left posters a while back to form the Pub, which seems to be the place to discuss Mythras.
Nah, it wasn't Ocule's list. The change goes back further, at least to the election.
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2021, 02:08:58 AM
In considering the board, and any kind of changing dynamic, well, I think there's a difference between expressing a disagreement on some issue, holding a different view about *whatever*--and making personal attacks, ad hominems, and direct insults towards other members. I don't believe that many here get overly hostile when someone expresses disagreement--it is when someone starts insulting individuals and making personal attacks that derail so many discussions--or at least, simply generate entirely hostile relationships between various individuals.
I completely disagree with this. I never insult someone unless they insult me first, and I typically don't even do that until someone has insulted me over many posts, and I always try to deescalate things at some point. But look at how many times that's blown up lately, usually over very trivial disagreements. The one way I contribute to the conflagrations is I don't tend to back down when challenged, but I'm never the instigator or the one who flips out.
This board is beginning to feel more like an echo chamber, where people can't tolerate any dissent. It's the same disease that killed any rational discussion in many leftist circles.
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2021, 02:08:58 AM
Then again, perhaps many of the conservative members have become more hostile and belligerent in response to the smarmy condescension and hostility of SJW's. There's defintely a short tolerance for SJW's and their typical attitudes here. Throughout society, the Marxist SJW's are shrieking at anyone and everyone that disagrees with them, and I imagine some folks here must bite their tongue at work, at school, or even with some of their own family members, so here--I suppose it feels like one of the few places available that more conservative, or traditional-minded people don't have to bite their tongue towards SJW's--so, when the SJW's and various kinds of trolls and idiots run their mouth here, they tend to get shredded very quickly.
Heh. Perhaps you are right though, and more and more people are just more belligerent, and enjoy confrontation. Our society is, as you mentioned, both globally and locally, undergoing a lot of BS and stress, and all of that bottled up frustration comes out on display here.
Yes, that's what I was referring to. When people feel like they're constantly under attack, it's hard to be civil. But this board isn't a place where leftist thinking is dominant, and they can gang up to shut down all discussion. It's the opposite, and the people who are being dogpiled and shutdown here are the leftists -- and anyone else who happens to disagree in some way. Because a lot of the people who are called SJWs on this board are old school 90s liberals, moderates, right wingers who disagree on a few points, or people who don't fit on the very limited left-right political spectrum. That's not attacking SJWs. It's forming a gang and attacking anyone who doesn't show the right colors at all times.
This behavior is often justified by some variation of "they're taking advantage of our tolerance/civility/not salting the earth, so we must use their tactics against them and fight a total war or we'll lose!". But if you become like them in all the ways you hate, you've lost anyway.
Glad you're back to posting more gaming stuff, BTW.
The best way is to give a detailed description of the game and how it is played, along with what is and is not allowed. If anyone joins and then complains- unless it involves something that came up that is questionable but was not mentioned- you have a troublemaker. Ayundell is a mostly patriarchal world, so if someone starts whining about it- don't let the door hit you on the way out. Just be honest and upfront, and later do not compromise except in certain specific cases.
Quote from: Pat on October 19, 2021, 09:41:45 PM
Because a lot of the people who are called SJWs on this board are old school 90s liberals, moderates, right wingers who disagree on a few points, or people who don't fit on the very limited left-right political spectrum. That's not attacking SJWs. It's forming a gang and attacking anyone who doesn't show the right colors at all times.
I think there's a fair bit of truth in this, though it is hardly ubiquitous behaviour. It doesn't really bother me when I get targeted for being too Liberal, though - just like it was funny when my sis called me a Fascist when I scolded her for not vaxxing and then getting Covid right before my mum's memorial service. It's not scary - I'm not in any danger. Whereas being called right-wing can ruin your life - my ex tried this to stop me getting equal child custody, it failed miserably but it was still scary.
I expect some abuse here for liking 4e D&D, likewise I expect some abuse for being a nice reasonable moderate chap :D - it's all good.
That's right! S'mon likes 4e...
FUCK THAT DUDE!!
:-*
Quote from: tenbones on October 20, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
That's right! S'mon likes 4e...
FUCK THAT DUDE!!
:-*
Run for it S'mon! I'll divert them with my enjoyment of country music. Wait, that might have worked too well. :D
Quote from: tenbones on October 20, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
That's right! S'mon likes 4e...
FUCK THAT DUDE!!
:-*
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on October 20, 2021, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: tenbones on October 20, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
That's right! S'mon likes 4e...
FUCK THAT DUDE!!
:-*
Run for it S'mon! I'll divert them with my enjoyment of country music. Wait, that might have worked too well. :D
Old Country or New Country?
Quote from: S'mon on October 20, 2021, 03:57:13 AM
Quote from: Pat on October 19, 2021, 09:41:45 PM
Because a lot of the people who are called SJWs on this board are old school 90s liberals, moderates, right wingers who disagree on a few points, or people who don't fit on the very limited left-right political spectrum. That's not attacking SJWs. It's forming a gang and attacking anyone who doesn't show the right colors at all times.
I think there's a fair bit of truth in this, though it is hardly ubiquitous behaviour. It doesn't really bother me when I get targeted for being too Liberal, though - just like it was funny when my sis called me a Fascist when I scolded her for not vaxxing and then getting Covid right before my mum's memorial service. It's not scary - I'm not in any danger. Whereas being called right-wing can ruin your life - my ex tried this to stop me getting equal child custody, it failed miserably but it was still scary.
I expect some abuse here for liking 4e D&D, likewise I expect some abuse for being a nice reasonable moderate chap :D - it's all good.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with you liking 4E. I own many of the books myself, but I don't want to play that ruleset. There's some inspiration there; especially in the Monster Manuals, and Dark Sun Creature Catalog. Maybe the Manual of the Planes, as well.
Greetings!
Fuck 4E. 4E can die in a white-hot fire with the intensity of a thousand suns!
The God Emperor shall cleanse the land of all the heretics! ;D
Oh, and S'mon!? The Ghost of fucking Cromwell is coming for you, for certain. Ye shall confess your sins and wicked heresy, and repent! ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: DM_Curt on October 20, 2021, 11:52:09 PMOld Country or New Country?
Some old, some new, some traditional, some "southern rock", Bakersfield, bluegrass, "Outlaw",--even the occasional country pop if produced well or funny or the singer can sing. Just no country rap or "bro" country or most of the psychotic stuff.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on October 21, 2021, 08:11:16 AM
Quote from: DM_Curt on October 20, 2021, 11:52:09 PMOld Country or New Country?
Some old, some new, some traditional, some "southern rock", Bakersfield, bluegrass, "Outlaw",--even the occasional country pop if produced well or funny or the singer can sing. Just no country rap or "bro" country or most of the psychotic stuff.
Who's your favorite Hank? 😉
Quote from: DM_Curt on October 21, 2021, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on October 21, 2021, 08:11:16 AM
Quote from: DM_Curt on October 20, 2021, 11:52:09 PMOld Country or New Country?
Some old, some new, some traditional, some "southern rock", Bakersfield, bluegrass, "Outlaw",--even the occasional country pop if produced well or funny or the singer can sing. Just no country rap or "bro" country or most of the psychotic stuff.
Who's your favorite Hank? 😉
Hank Venture is my clear favorite.
QuoteThis board is beginning to feel more like an echo chamber, where people can't tolerate any dissent. It's the same disease that killed any rational discussion in many leftist circles.
Dunno, like last IP discussion was dominated vastly by various strain of libertarians, and it went utterly wonky over detail differences between various groups within libertarian movement.
Then simmilarily left hates dissidents and leftbook discussions are often full of agressive shitstorm between various left, and often new and new groups split because of it.
But that's not really echo chambering. But it was not ration discussion either.
QuoteOh, and S'mon!? The Ghost of fucking Cromwell is coming for you, for certain. Ye shall confess your sins and wicked heresy, and repent! ;D
Wait, why is Cromwell ghost's doing papist stuff? I'm so confused!
Quote from: Wrath of God on October 26, 2021, 01:07:43 PM
QuoteThis board is beginning to feel more like an echo chamber, where people can't tolerate any dissent. It's the same disease that killed any rational discussion in many leftist circles.
Dunno, like last IP discussion was dominated vastly by various strain of libertarians, and it went utterly wonky over detail differences between various groups within libertarian movement.
Then simmilarily left hates dissidents and leftbook discussions are often full of agressive shitstorm between various left, and often new and new groups split because of it.
But that's not really echo chambering. But it was not ration discussion either.
That's exactly how echo chambers are created. Irrationally and aggressively shout down anyone who disagrees.
Quote from: Pat on October 26, 2021, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: Wrath of God on October 26, 2021, 01:07:43 PM
QuoteThis board is beginning to feel more like an echo chamber, where people can't tolerate any dissent. It's the same disease that killed any rational discussion in many leftist circles.
Dunno, like last IP discussion was dominated vastly by various strain of libertarians, and it went utterly wonky over detail differences between various groups within libertarian movement.
Then simmilarily left hates dissidents and leftbook discussions are often full of agressive shitstorm between various left, and often new and new groups split because of it.
But that's not really echo chambering. But it was not ration discussion either.
That's exactly how echo chambers are created. Irrationally and aggressively shout down anyone who disagrees.
Look Pat for the last time, everyone already agreed that it is not an echo chamber and that any outsider who thinks it is should just bugger off.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:34:36 PM
I am impressed to your commitment @Happy. It doesn't matter how many people explain it to you, or offer our direct experience, or show ways we've been actively harmed / impacted. You just laugh at / insult anyone who disagrees with your narrative.
As I've stated elsewhere I'm a liberal who was recently, and unwillingly redpilled. When you start having opportunities taken away because of the color of your skin, and your gender, you sit up and take notice. I am an author. I make my living selling books. This hit me hard and personally.
Here's the list of things off the top of my head we've lost of late
- We lost the Hugos
- We lost the nebulas
- Ghostbusters 2016 blatantly crapped all over men, and was embraced
- Supergirl, the Flash, and all the other DC properties are vehicles for activism and don't even pretend to have a story any more
- Superman is bisexual
- Most of the big conventions are now more concerned with microaggressions than content
- D&D just jettisoned age, height, and weight. How does that not penetrate your cloud of cognitive dissonance?
- Magic cards like Stone Throwing Devils have been banned with no stated justification.
- Luke Skywalker is a washed up old hermit who betrayed everything he taught us to believe in growing up
- The skin color and gender of the vast majority of people who played and built this hobby is now literally problematic. You know this is the case, or you're willfully blind. I have lost speaking gigs and podcast interviews, and they've been candid that immutable characteristics are the reason why.
- Actor friends are being told that they're not a good fit...because of their skin color.
I could go on, and on, and on, but I feel like you'd just go down the list and discredit each, or more likely, fire back an insult and a dismissal because your cognitive dissonance demands you look away from the truth.
Our culture is being engineered. George Orwell posited that if the first half of the 21st century was about technical engineering, then the second half would be about social engineering, and that after that would come world domination. Whether it's 1984, or A Brave New World, we're not going to like the outcome.
You can remain willfully blind, but too many people here have seen too much for your nonsense to gain any traction. Keep trying though. It's fun to watch.
Bro, Friar Tuck, Achilles, and Guinevere were black. The BBC told me this. I saw it on TV. Don't know why you can't get with the times. It's 2021. /s
(https://i.redd.it/2yuw0pz8vne01.jpg)
I didn't know about the age/height/weight thing. Can you send me a link for that? I would like to see this train wreck.
Quote from: ChrisFox on October 18, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
I said I bet he wouldn't be brave enough to talk like that in person, which is a form of escalation. He responded by saying come at my bro, which is also escalation. Every post from him has been aggressive, dismissive, and patronizing. He pities us. We have our heads up our asses.
You can't speak to people like that. Too many of us have had too much of it, and we aren't going to sit down and take it any more. That's not a threat of violence. That's a bear who has been poked too many times. We're not backing away. We're not turning the other cheek. We're answering tone with tone.
If Happy wants to be a patronizing prick, then I will be a bigger patronizing prick. If Happy is actually capable of communicating like an adult, I could go that route too. Their post history suggest they are not.
Here is a solution for you Chris. Go to Profile, Modify Profile, Buddies/Ignore, and then Ignore. Do yourself a favor and put Happy into the shadow zone. Don't feel bad about it because at this point talking to a wall is more constructive.
As for RPGs I highly suggest looking into the RPG lists and buy a green product.
Please stick to the topic. Though given that the OP never actually ever responded to his own very personal topic, I'm not sure there's much point.