Do you just wanna play The Price of Freedom

You know you can just say that. And post a group for it

I'll beat up some soviets if you wanna beat up some soviets, I'm not fuckin married to failed expressions of an ideology.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 30, 2021, 05:31:30 PM
Hey Rhedyn, I find this entire line of thought by you regarding your utopia abhorrent and stupid.

How far are you, personally, willing to go to keep me from speaking out against it?

You are free to your opinion Joe Biden.

Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PMNow imagine if wealth was tied directly to not seemingly like an asshole? Has your day-to-day interactions improved?

Sociopaths are experts at avoiding looking like assholes. This is why sociopaths always come to power in such systems. The shocking truth of the world is that assholishness is generally subjective, and most people are assholes at one time or another. I put it on myself to try to not be an asshole, and not let others' asshattery affect me. I don't want some council of elders, or a mob to control such things.

I understand your general worldview stems from a desire to help the world by controlling its problems. But doing it this way has generally always ended catastrophically because the world is unimaginably complicated, and so are its problems, and the further away the centers of control are from the actual real problems, the more the solutions (even if done not in bad faith) become clumsy, ineffective and bring with them a host of catastrophic unseen consequences.

I get it, you see a issue (social or otherwise), and you want it fixed. And I find it commendable. But the people that disagree, don't necessarily disagree because their selfish, or evil, or misinformed, but because they have seen the solutions to these sorts of problems become much worse than the problems themselves. So many times doing 'something' can be much worse then doing nothing.

Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 03:09:07 PMAre you against free and fair democratic elections?

I see elections as a necessary evil. I don't see them as good, just least bad.

And I don't want more systems founded on least-badditude. The USA was originally founded on the idea of maximum freedom, not the sanctity of voting. Over time its been corrupted, and the founding fathers where well aware of this potential issue.

Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:37:18 PM
So not being an asshole? It didn't require believing in masks to know not wearing them was socially unacceptable. In a rep system, not wearing them meant losing wealth. That would result in less psychopaths attacking store clerks that were required to ask them to wear one or leave.

Do you really believe that?

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Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PMNow imagine if wealth was tied directly to not seemingly like an asshole? Has your day-to-day interactions improved?

Sociopaths are experts at avoiding looking like assholes. This is why sociopaths always come to power in such systems. The shocking truth of the world is that assholishness is generally subjective, and most people are assholes at one time or another. I put it on myself to try to not be an asshole, and not let others' asshattery affect me. I don't want some council of elders, or a mob to control such things.

I understand your general worldview stems from a desire to help the world by controlling its problems. But doing it this way has generally always ended catastrophically because the world is unimaginably complicated, and so are its problems, and the further away the centers of control are from the actual real problems, the more the solutions (even if done not in bad faith) become clumsy, ineffective and bring with them a host of catastrophic unseen consequences.

I get it, you see a issue (social or otherwise), and you want it fixed. And I find it commendable. But the people that disagree, don't necessarily disagree because their selfish, or evil, or misinformed, but because they have seen the solutions to these sorts of problems become much worse than the problems themselves. So many times doing 'something' can be much worse then doing nothing.

Probably my favorite epsiode of The Orville.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 30, 2021, 09:17:32 PMProbably my favorite epsiode of The Orville.

Mine as well (and Id wager most peoples).

Seth Mcfarlan maybe kinda an egotistical douche, an asshole if you may (see where Im going with this?) but I respect him for ultimately being a self-made man, and that's made him enough money to do whatever projects he wants to try to do, which occasionally results in the best episodes of the orville.

I would not want some council to decide what he should be able to do or not.

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Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 30, 2021, 05:31:30 PM
Hey Rhedyn, I find this entire line of thought by you regarding your utopia abhorrent and stupid.

How far are you, personally, willing to go to keep me from speaking out against it?

You are free to your opinion Joe Biden.

Right up to the point where I get deplatformed, eh?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 30, 2021, 10:22:37 PMRight up to the point where I get deplatformed, eh?

I don't see Rhedyn as somebody who argues in bad faith. Moreso doesn't see the logical consequences of his desires and resorts to science worship (or appeals to authority/majority) when something falls outside of something he believes can be solved purely socially.

I don't think he would really want you de-platformed intentionally. Unless it was framed as some larger social cohesion requirement that you are an unfortunate outlier that just has to grit it out for a short while.

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IIRC, we have at least one poster that has mentioned he has Asperger's Syndrome. And yes, he can come off as quite the asshole.

Did you call?

I wasn't going to drop your name, but you're the one I had in mind.

I'm a proud asshole 

Also yes, I suffer from a mild form of Asperger's.

But everybody has the capability of being an asshole, and being one (for whatever reason) shouldn't mean you forfeit your life.

But in Rehdyn's Dystopian setting it does... And of course the puritans in his game think that anyone that thinks different is an asshole and should be terminated. Because assholes are the new nazis or something.

It seriously reads like a perfect setting for a game like The Price of Freedom.

OK, new to the thread here - but calling out Asperger's here is bullshit. Plenty of posters here are assholes without Asperger's and plenty of people with Asperger's are super nice.

I haven't looked over ChangedStars, so I have no opinion on that.

I am a little curious about what Rehdyn's setting ideas would be like in actual play - I doubt it would come across as dystopia. I've run a few campaigns with my take on the Star Trek universe, which might be related, but that seems off-topic.

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Quote from: HappyDaze on April 30, 2021, 05:20:20 PM
IIRC, we have at least one poster that has mentioned he has Asperger's Syndrome. And yes, he can come off as quite the asshole.

Did you call?

I wasn't going to drop your name, but you're the one I had in mind.

I'm a proud asshole 

Also yes, I suffer from a mild form of Asperger's.

But everybody has the capability of being an asshole, and being one (for whatever reason) shouldn't mean you forfeit your life.

But in Rehdyn's Dystopian setting it does... And of course the puritans in his game think that anyone that thinks different is an asshole and should be terminated. Because assholes are the new nazis or something.

It seriously reads like a perfect setting for a game like The Price of Freedom.

OK, new to the thread here - but calling out Asperger's here is bullshit. Plenty of posters here are assholes without Asperger's and plenty of people with Asperger's are super nice.

I haven't looked over ChangedStars, so I have no opinion on that.

I am a little curious about what Rehdyn's setting ideas would be like in actual play - I doubt it would come across as dystopia. I've run a few campaigns with my take on the Star Trek universe, which might be related, but that seems off-topic.

One, thank you for finding a cure guy, will make sure to inform my doctors.
Two, I've never used it as an excuse for my assholery, YOU're inferring that without reading shit. Which is kind of assholish IMHO.
Three, Fuck ChangedStars.
Four, Rehdyn's "setting" is what he wishes to do IRL to anyone he thinks isn't moral enough. If that's not dystopian to you, then you're beyond help.

With love: The Asshole.

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Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 30, 2021, 10:22:37 PMRight up to the point where I get deplatformed, eh?

I don't see Rhedyn as somebody who argues in bad faith. Moreso doesn't see the logical consequences of his desires and resorts to science worship (or appeals to authority/majority) when something falls outside of something he believes can be solved purely socially.

I don't think he would really want you de-platformed intentionally. Unless it was framed as some larger social cohesion requirement that you are an unfortunate outlier that just has to grit it out for a short while.

Probably not.  But the point I'm making is that he cannot hide behind abstractions. His line of thinking will, in time, demand 'wrongthinkers' be silenced. And those 'wrongthinkers' will not be some faceless, anonymous mass, but actual persons.

Keep firing... 

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...and the quality of our lives being determined by the whims of the moronic mob.

The success of a small business.

Your employment status.

How much you are paid.

How much you have to pay for services.

Etc.

Much of you life is already subject to the whims of the moronic mob. Now imagine if wealth was tied directly to not seemingly like an asshole? Has your day-to-day interactions improved?

According to what cult?

That reads more and more like some sort of theocracy but with a secular cult at the center. Great for a Dystopian setting, not so much for IRL.

You, sir, are guilty of Noticing. Report to TBP for reeducation.

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...and you wonder why people are saying 'No' to your idea of social credit?

Jesus Christ, dude, you are fucking scary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XtAHOepH94

huh

You must have me confused with someone who actually cares whether you are alive or dead.

I don't really give a fuck either way, I was just making an observation...

None of us care about any of us, what's the issue? What, you gonna tell me the other fags on this board are actually meaningful to you?

Well, I can't speak to anyone's sexual orientation, but other than that there are some people here who are meaningful to me.  Why would I hang out here if that wasn't the case?

Greetings!

Exactly, Moonsweeper! There are malignant troglodytes here that cannot possibly imagine people actually making friends here. Real people that you talk on the phone with, meet face to face, hang out, game together. So shocking!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I wish.

Quote from: jhkim on May 01, 2021, 03:05:42 AMI am a little curious about what Rehdyn's setting ideas would be like in actual play - I doubt it would come across as dystopia. I've run a few campaigns with my take on the Star Trek universe, which might be related, but that seems off-topic.

That's something our group struggles with, because even though Nova Praxis is billed as dystopian, it's a practical future dystopia. So the average quality of life is way higher than in modern times. It's like if a medieval serf tried to play a cyberpunk game. "I don't get it. It seems like work in plentiful in this fiction and yields enough food/shelter to make a family. Plagues are more rare and the lame are cured via magic. Your corpo wage slaves work less hours than I do."

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 01, 2021, 08:40:26 AMProbably not.  But the point I'm making is that he cannot hide behind abstractions. His line of thinking will, in time, demand 'wrongthinkers' be silenced. And those 'wrongthinkers' will not be some faceless, anonymous mass, but actual persons.

I would like to point out that it cuts both ways. Loud SJWs would get rep docs from anyone that disagreed with them. In reputation economies, getting 50%+ approval is not enough. Discourse would be dominated by polite moderates because radicals would make themselves poor.
Would this lead to a tyranny of the middle? Or does it just result in less radicalization? But a fair observation is that effective free speech is decreased drastically. Which seeing how people all across the spectrum are influenced by cheap propaganda/brainwashing, the value of the notion of free speech needs to be reexamined. Letting democracy be controlled by false information undermines democracy. A reputation economy does not put any specific person in charge of determining false information, instead spreading a radical conspiracy theory results in rep docs from those with the opposing political views. That should cause a decrease in their propagation.