Quote from: danbuter;537356That's his stupidity.  

TBH I am inclined to agree. Not that I think signing the initial contract was automatically a mistake, but to carry on for four years past the date when the second contract had failed to materialise, I think was probably an error. If your promised a second contract, and it dosen't show, it is time to walk. If they say, its with the Lawyer, you get the lawyer's phone number and ask him what the fuck the hold up is.

QuoteFor all we know, he only did maybe 10% of the writing, but was acting like he was the main hotshot. Or he did a lot of writing, but it was mostly crap.

No one is disputing he had done the majority of the writing, so that idea I think is ruled out. He was 'acting like the main hotshot' because he was the Line Developer. Quality is hard to measure, but the fans liked his blog posts and like his prior work, and he seemed to be addressing a lot of the stuff that the fan's hated.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;537416And how will that help Angus if he hasn't been paid? Are Redbrick rolling in it?

They will probably have enough material assets to cover the debt, even after they are sold at the rock bottom prices the bailiffs will charge.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;537363Don't know what the law is in the states, but over here, while Redbrick might be found guilty (if that's the case, of course) of not paying him, if they don't have the money there ain't much that can be done since we don't have a debtor's gaol anymore. I doubt they could go after the owner's personal assets and if Rebrick ain't making the money they can't pay what they haven't got.

Depending on what state a lawsuit was filed in, then it could be possible to get a lien against a company for future earnings. Goes by the typical name of "garnishment".

And if Red Brick is not really a proper corporation, but a partnership or something, then the individuals would be responsible.

I have to say, though, I am not a lawyer, and so don't know details. I just know it can be done in certain states.

Quote from: Dodger;537375Actually, what it means is they can't now claim that his work wasn't up to scratch.

I have no legal training at all, but when I read that email I thought exactly the same thing.  Now, perhaps the whole email contains more information, but we may never know for sure.  It may be that the author of the blog cherry-picked through James' email to make his point in his post.

I need to backtrack a bit.  It's a "garnishment" if the winner gets a judge to force your employer to take something out of your wages.

Sorry about that - I've been working on a payroll conversion for a client and have garnishments on my mind

Quote from: Dodger;537420I don't know. My point is that an LLC can't just walk away from its contractual responsibilities without fear of any comeback.

I'm not saying they can. I'm saying that the real outcome of such a situation won't see anyone any better off.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;537434I'm not saying they can. I'm saying that the real outcome of such a situation won't see anyone any better off.

Well, firstly, you don't know that for sure. Secondly, sometimes it's worth following through on breach of contract just on general principle. Otherwise, what's the point in having a contract to begin with? Besides, in my experience, companies are often bluffing and will very rapidly change their story when it becomes clear that you're going to call their bluff.

Quote from: jadrax;537424TBH I am inclined to agree. Not that I think signing the initial contract was automatically a mistake, but to carry on for four years past the date when the second contract had failed to materialise, I think was probably an error. If your promised a second contract, and it dosen't show, it is time to walk. If they say, its with the Lawyer, you get the lawyer's phone number and ask him what the fuck the hold up is.

Note that contracts don't have to be written down and signed. Verbal agreements can be enforced as contracts, as can agreements formed over email (probably easier, in fact, as there's a record of what was agreed). If RedBrick agreed certain things with Angus, it may not matter whether or not a formal paper contract was actually drawn up and signed.

One thing's for certain - the Fading Suns brand has been damaged by RedBrick's handling of the situation, as demonstrated by the number of people who are now saying that the new version is no longer an automatic purchase. Holistic Design should be taking a long, hard look at RedBrick's suitability as a licensee.

It would be ironic if they ended up terminating RedBrick's licence and gave it to Angus instead.

I would say more than traveller, you could run Fading Suns with SWN!

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I hope the SWN version of Fading Suns is worth it.

SWN would be just about perfect as a baseline for FS.

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Wow, the backlash from this must be pretty horrific. RedBrick just pulled the plug on its own forums.

http://redbrickllc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=514

This is the most retarded handling of a game I've seen.  Fading Suns is not a property that exists outside of the RPG community.  Any potential customer of Fading Suns 3.0 is someone who has at least semi-regular access to RPG forums, blogs, etc...

They basically went to their only audience, displayed one of the audience's own holding his bloody anus, then cut off communication with that community in pathetic Corp101 fashion (always a big hit with the RPG crowd)...

...and they're expecting someone to buy anything from them again?  The only thing I can think of is, somehow their licence includes Fading Sun android apps so their gonna try and get those out.  They're done as tabletop RPG publishers unless they can prove Angus to be a total nutcase asshole.

Quote from: jadrax;537774Wow, the backlash from this must be pretty horrific. RedBrick just pulled the plug on its own forums.

http://redbrickllc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=514

From what I understand people were using the forums to talk about an OGL Kickstarter for Angus' serial-number-filed-off manuscript.

If I were Andrew, I'd be more then a little upset at this point.

Quote from: CRKrueger;537787From what I understand people were using the forums to talk about an OGL Kickstarter for Angus' serial-number-filed-off manuscript.

If I were Andrew, I'd be more then a little upset at this point.

He did it to himself so I'm not surprised. I doubt anybody is going to be convinced that Angus was such an asshole that they wouldn't support him at this point.

Unless he's a registered pedophile or something, I don't see how Red Brick is going to get out of the clusterfuck it created for itself.