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BESM

Started by PencilBoy99, May 25, 2016, 08:32:05 PM

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Omega

#60
July 02, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;906444(sighs) I miss BESM. At least I still have my hard copy of BESM 1E I got from Amazon.

I still have my copy of "Cute Fuzzy *Cockfighting* Seizure Monsters" for BESM. Friend has the PC version of the cover and title.

Christopher Brady

#61
July 02, 2016, 10:11:32 PM
Quote from: Omega;906427I'll wait for Chris to explain what he meant as hes at least coherent and makes good points.

If you can understand the Queen's English when written, there's nothing I can do to help you, son.

On topic:  I actually found most of my BESM stuff recently, like Uresia: Grave of Heaven, Dungeon Fantasy and the bestiary which I've misplaced.  Now, I just need to find a core book and I am set for fun!
"And now, my friends, a Dragon\'s toast!  To life\'s little blessings:  wars, plagues and all forms of evil.  Their presence keeps us alert --- and their absence makes us grateful." -T.A. Barron[/SIZE]

yosemitemike

#62
July 02, 2016, 10:21:47 PM
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
Another former RPGnet member permanently banned for calling out the staff there on their abdication of their responsibilities as moderators and admins and their abject surrender to the whims of the shrillest and most self-righteous members of the community.

Christopher Brady

#63
July 02, 2016, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike;906469They aren't hard to find at all.
https://www.amazon.com/Big-Eyes-Small-Mouth-BESM/dp/1894525450

So, I clicked that link and saw some reasonable prices, like 14.xx USD.  Thought to myself, "Maybe I'll check Canada's Amazon, seeing as I'm Canadian."  And this is what I found:

https://www.amazon.ca/Big-Eyes-Small-Mouth-BESM/dp/B01FEL5CGG/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1467513162&sr=8-4-fkmr0&keywords=Big+Eyes+Small+Mouth+2e

:eek:
"And now, my friends, a Dragon\'s toast!  To life\'s little blessings:  wars, plagues and all forms of evil.  Their presence keeps us alert --- and their absence makes us grateful." -T.A. Barron[/SIZE]

yosemitemike

#64
July 02, 2016, 11:16:49 PM Last Edit: July 02, 2016, 11:19:33 PM by yosemitemike
Quote from: Christopher Brady;906471So, I clicked that link and saw some reasonable prices, like 14.xx USD.  Thought to myself, "Maybe I'll check Canada's Amazon, seeing as I'm Canadian."  And this is what I found:

https://www.amazon.ca/Big-Eyes-Small-Mouth-BESM/dp/B01FEL5CGG/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1467513162&sr=8-4-fkmr0&keywords=Big+Eyes+Small+Mouth+2e

:eek:

Holy shit.  That's ridiculous.
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/365/Big-Eyes-Small-Mouth-Revised-Second-Edition?it=1
pdf?
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
Another former RPGnet member permanently banned for calling out the staff there on their abdication of their responsibilities as moderators and admins and their abject surrender to the whims of the shrillest and most self-righteous members of the community.

Omega

#65
July 03, 2016, 12:53:35 AM
QuoteI'll wait for Chris to explain what he meant as hes at least coherent and makes good points.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;906468If you can understand the Queen's English when written, there's nothing I can do to help you, son.

Thanks for proving me wrong on that assumption.

Christopher Brady

#67
July 03, 2016, 01:12:09 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike;906478Holy shit.  That's ridiculous.
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/365/Big-Eyes-Small-Mouth-Revised-Second-Edition?it=1
pdf?

I'll take what I can get, when I have the money, but thank you, it's sincerely appreciated.
"And now, my friends, a Dragon\'s toast!  To life\'s little blessings:  wars, plagues and all forms of evil.  Their presence keeps us alert --- and their absence makes us grateful." -T.A. Barron[/SIZE]

daniel_ream

#68
July 03, 2016, 06:20:25 PM
Quote from: Omega;906454I still have my copy of "Cute Fuzzy *Cockfighting* Seizure Monsters" for BESM. Friend has the PC version of the cover and title.

A good example of why you shouldn't let someone who despises an entire genre write the sourcebook for it.
D&D is becoming Self-Referential.  It is no longer Setting Referential, where it takes references outside of itself. It is becoming like Ouroboros in its self-gleaning for tropes, no longer attached, let alone needing outside context.
~ Opaopajr

Omega

#69
July 04, 2016, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream;906679A good example of why you shouldn't let someone who despises an entire genre write the sourcebook for it.

heh-heh. Funny thing is. Aside from the cover. Thats all that was changed and the book itself doesnt demonize or extoll the genre. He just explains his outlook on the genre in the intro. And he was right too really. Pokemon and all the other pet monster fighter games ARE cockfighting games. The rules and such themselves are pretty neutral.

Big Ears Small Mouse on the other hand, despite claiming to be neutral on the realism vs toon scale. Leans heavily to the toon side.

daniel_ream

#70
July 04, 2016, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: Omega;906831Thats all that was changed and the book itself doesnt demonize or extoll the genre. He just explains his outlook on the genre in the intro. And he was right too really. Pokemon and all the other pet monster fighter games ARE cockfighting games. The rules and such themselves are pretty neutral.

"Inside you will find an engaging satire of the 'monster fighting' genre, but you can use this book to play effective in-genre characters as well."  ~ Emily K. Dresner-Thomber

Unless you know something I don't about Emily Dresner, I'm not sure we're talking about the same book.
D&D is becoming Self-Referential.  It is no longer Setting Referential, where it takes references outside of itself. It is becoming like Ouroboros in its self-gleaning for tropes, no longer attached, let alone needing outside context.
~ Opaopajr

TristramEvans

#71
July 04, 2016, 11:25:51 PM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;906471So, I clicked that link and saw some reasonable prices, like 14.xx USD.  Thought to myself, "Maybe I'll check Canada's Amazon, seeing as I'm Canadian."  And this is what I found:

https://www.amazon.ca/Big-Eyes-Small-Mouth-BESM/dp/B01FEL5CGG/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1467513162&sr=8-4-fkmr0&keywords=Big+Eyes+Small+Mouth+2e

:eek:

amazon.ca has retarded prices for used items. One reason I maintain a PO box in the states

Omega

#72
July 05, 2016, 01:14:26 AM
Quote from: daniel_ream;906844Unless you know something I don't about Emily Dresner, I'm not sure we're talking about the same book.

Unless you know something about Mark MacKinnon we dont... it is still He. Since he was the one who wrote the foreword.

QuoteFOREWORD
Love it or hate it, we would be remiss if we didn’t publish this book.
The pet monster anime genre has exploded across Japan, North America, and the entire world. Anime has never been more “trendy” than it is today, thanks to a little yellow rat and his pre-adolescent trainer.
So why is it so popular?
Good question. I believe the answer lies in the near perfect construction of the genre’s ringleader, Pokémon. The phenomenon has a very strong base in video games — a steadily growing market thanks to state-of-the-game-art technology that makes the game experience more dynamic and exciting every day. Adding to this base is Pokémon’s broad appeal to both young boys and girls. Consider the stereotypes: for boys, there are battles and cool monsters and mean villains; for girls, there are strong women and oh-so-cute fuzzy animals and friendly relationships. Finally, when you add the addictive elements of collectability (anyone remember Cabbage Patch Kids?), the creators of Pokémon had a can’t-miss hit on their hands. Strong marketing and promotion by Nintendo and its partners snared the North American market.
Then the plethora of others came along, each adding their own take on the subject. The genre had taken root.
I struggled over the decision to publish this book. We wanted to serve the fan base of the popular genre, but didn’t want to look like we were “selling out.” That just isn’t our style. When Emily approached David (the anime line developer) and told him that she’d like to do a serious treatment of the genre but in a satirical tone, I gave the green light for the project.
Admittedly, I still have reservations, but if we can please the fans and have some fun at the same time, then the risk is worth it.
We hope you agree.
Mark C. MacKinnon
December 2000

AsenRG

#73
July 05, 2016, 02:47:31 AM
Quote from: daniel_ream;906249That's right, you don't.  You might want to catch up; those of us who do knew exactly what Brady meant.

I ran ADRPG for years and pretty much concur with Brady.  It's just Mother May I.

Which explain why certain GMs love it;).
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daniel_ream

#74
July 05, 2016, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: Omega;906886Unless you know something about Mark MacKinnon we dont

I already established that upthread.

QuoteWhen Emily approached David (the anime line developer) and told him that she’d like to do a serious treatment of the genre but in a satirical tone,

QED.
D&D is becoming Self-Referential.  It is no longer Setting Referential, where it takes references outside of itself. It is becoming like Ouroboros in its self-gleaning for tropes, no longer attached, let alone needing outside context.
~ Opaopajr
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