I got banned from the LANCER RPG Discord server Pilot NET for:
-posting the sentence "pdfs are not actual books"
-and posting an ad for my online game mentioning the fact that we do not use pronouns and safety tools at my table...
Should I feel bad for being cancelled from a place that to me feels controlled and oppressive and ran by political activists?
sorry, if this isn't the place to post about that kind of useless rant, I am new around here, don't know the place very well yet, I could not find somewhere in the forum dedicated to complaints like this... :)
They actually gave you an explanation? What, do the mods of PilotNET think this is 2012 or something?
I'm not one to tell others how they should feel, but you might reconsider your avatar for this site.
Your complaint, as well as your advertisement, are likely both welcome here (at least as far as they are described).
If a complaint is about Pen and Paper RPG spaces, it's appropriate in this forum.
Quote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 16, 2025, 07:34:14 AMI got banned from the LANCER RPG Discord server Pilot NET for:
-posting the sentence "pdfs are not actual books"
-and posting an ad for my online game mentioning the fact that we do not use pronouns and safety tools at my table...
Should I feel bad for being cancelled from a place that to me feels controlled and oppressive and ran by political activists?
sorry, if this isn't the place to post about that kind of useless rant, I am new around here, don't know the place very well yet, I could not find somewhere in the forum dedicated to complaints like this... :)
Wait... So if you don't use pronouns, how do you refer to people in the third person or use the possessive tense? That sounds like very stilted and unnatural speech in game. :)
Proclaiming that you're not using safety tools unnecessarily gives credence and validity to their use elsewhere and implies that it is the default (similar to using ridiculous randomly rolled IRL neopronouns). Just don't use them. I don't. You don't need to proclaim it loudly for clout as it just makes you no better than the weirdos who loudly proclaim they do.
Quote from: RNGm on April 16, 2025, 08:18:41 AMWait... So if you don't use pronouns, how do you refer to people in the third person or use the possessive tense? That sounds like very stilted and unnatural speech in game. :)
:)
Proclaiming that you're not using safety tools unnecessarily gives credence and validity to their use elsewhere and implies that it is the default (similar to using ridiculous randomly rolled IRL neopronouns). Just don't use them. I don't. You don't need to proclaim it loudly for clout as it just makes you no better than the weirdos who loudly proclaim they do.
I wanted to scare off the people who hide behind this weird messing with pronouns. But since then I have removed that line from my ad, if someone comes up with a request like that I'll just decline it. I generally interview people before I admit them at my table, to make sure everyone is on the same page, so I guess i'll have to make it clear then during that first interview.
Welcome to Mos Eisley. We don't give a fuck about pronouns either. Only droids play Lancers. And you know... droids ain't particularly welcome in the cantina unless you got a lightsaber.
Quote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 16, 2025, 10:02:04 AMI wanted to scare off the people who hide behind this weird messing with pronouns. But since then I have removed that line from my ad, if someone comes up with a request like that I'll just decline it. I generally interview people before I admit them at my table, to make sure everyone is on the same page, so I guess i'll have to make it clear then during that first interview.
I suppose it worked in a sense if you got booted from the discord! I'd say go with an individual approach and do the research instead of a more blanket ban. Be better than the purple haired side shaved weirdos with flags in their bios and made up nonsense words for their pronouns.
Quote from: tenbones on April 16, 2025, 11:29:40 AMWelcome to Mos Eisley. We don't give a fuck about pronouns either. Only droids play Lancers. And you know... droids ain't particularly welcome in the cantina unless you got a lightsaber.
:) I still want to give this game a go, play it my way. I look for a way to create my own path now, disconnected from this non-sense. I guess I need to avoid provoking those kind of situations in the first place, but something in me is often looking to go head first into those trappings; I am working on it.
Quote from: RNGm on April 16, 2025, 12:05:35 PMQuote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 16, 2025, 10:02:04 AMI wanted to scare off the people who hide behind this weird messing with pronouns. But since then I have removed that line from my ad, if someone comes up with a request like that I'll just decline it. I generally interview people before I admit them at my table, to make sure everyone is on the same page, so I guess i'll have to make it clear then during that first interview.
I suppose it worked in a sense if you got booted from the discord! I'd say go with an individual approach and do the research instead of a more blanket ban. Be better than the purple haired side shaved weirdos with flags in their bios and made up nonsense words for their pronouns.
yes, you are totally right. I got tricked into playing their game. I should just remain normal and focus on the clarity of the space I want to breath in and foster.
Quote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 16, 2025, 07:34:14 AMI got banned from the LANCER RPG Discord server Pilot NET for:
-posting the sentence "pdfs are not actual books"
-and posting an ad for my online game mentioning the fact that we do not use pronouns and safety tools at my table...
Should I feel bad for being cancelled from a place that to me feels controlled and oppressive and ran by political activists?
sorry, if this isn't the place to post about that kind of useless rant, I am new around here, don't know the place very well yet, I could not find somewhere in the forum dedicated to complaints like this... :)
Fuck them, post here.
By the way, have you heard about our Lord and Savior, Mekton Zeta and Mekton II? ;)
Mekton... soooooo good.
Quote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 16, 2025, 12:15:35 PMyes, you are totally right. I got tricked into playing their game. I should just remain normal and focus on the clarity of the space I want to breath in and foster.
No worries. I'm not saying you should ignore any potential red flags (literally in many of the weirdos' cases!) but rather just judge them on their individual merits. Regardless, good luck!
I don't allow women in my games and advertise as so.
It's called freedom of association.
Lancer is famously political, with devs that push for both identity politics and actual economic leftism. They also run around on social media making their position very clear. It's certainly enough that I'd never consider touching their game- it can't be good enough to be worth all that baggage.
Basically getting banned from their discord is a minor badge of honor at least.
Like Venka said: Badge of honor.
Discord admins can make their own rules for their servers, and are free to ban you if thye don't like your behavior. Even fascist ones like the ones that banned you. But if what you did didn't violate the actual rules, they should have let you know they don't like rational behavior and stop it, and give you at least a chance to change or quit on your own.
The good news is, it's not hard to make your own Discord server. Put a few dice bots in, make a few channel categories for play-by-post games, and you're all set!
Quote from: Venka on April 17, 2025, 04:11:35 PMLancer is famously political, with devs that push for both identity politics and actual economic leftism. They also run around on social media making their position very clear. It's certainly enough that I'd never consider touching their game- it can't be good enough to be worth all that baggage.
Basically getting banned from their discord is a minor badge of honor at least.
I was looking for a space opera game, and something crunchier than my regular style of game. There are some good sci-fi tropes in there, the background story is more fluffy than just pure leftist propaganda. So I thought I could make my own soup of the game and see passed its political agenda which is hard to avoid as it is kind of in your face the way it is written. Now I feel i have invested hours in reading and prepping for my game sessions I feel stupid not to give it a go. Is there a sain way one can play a leftist game and dissociate from the stain attached to it? What would be a good alternative game do you think? Traveller? Coriolis?
Wow OP, guess you shoulda seen the signs:
Quotethe end of the Anthropocene as a consequence of unrestrained consumption and poor stewardship.
With a survival imperative motivated by this cultural history, humanity's organizing body, Union, seeks to manage the galaxy to ensure we'll never again be faced with extinction.
Quote from: Spooky on April 17, 2025, 11:59:03 PMWow OP, guess you shoulda seen the signs:
Quotethe end of the Anthropocene as a consequence of unrestrained consumption and poor stewardship.
With a survival imperative motivated by this cultural history, humanity's organizing body, Union, seeks to manage the galaxy to ensure we'll never again be faced with extinction.
I thought that I can adapt this Union thing as a version of the Empire in Star Wars... That's what I thought initially people would understand it is, I thought Union it is obviously the bad guys of the setting... but no! All the kids on the PilotNET discord think Union is actually something great! A lot of the written content of the books are also obviously aimed at discrediting culture and identiy, it's all about merging of classes and tradition in a big cosmic soup... Fuck! I feel robed of my enthousiasm for a new game. I am a very everything or nothing kind of guy, and like a possessed, I spent the last three weeks digging deep into that setting trying to figure out a way to make it work for me,... I guess it didn't work, I tried, I can see I don't have the psychological means to dissociate from the message a game wants to sell... an interesting position I find myself into, kind of a painful realisation... I would have to cut off parts of myself or put blinders on to allow myself to enjoy or master/redirect the setting in a personal way... too much wasted energy I guess, when I could simply start from a more generic setting and topple it my way. But what setting? Traveller? Coriolis? What sci-fi game would you recommend?
Quote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 18, 2025, 12:22:42 AMI thought that I can adapt this Union thing as a version of the Empire in Star Wars... That's what I thought initially people would understand it is, I thought Union it is obviously the bad guys of the setting... but no! All the kids on the PilotNET discord think Union is actually something great!
WOW. Do you even know what a union in real life is or what side of politics its advocates are on?? It makes it pretty clear from the most general discripton of the universe I could quickly find they are supposed to be the good guys and saviours.
QuoteA lot of the written content of the books are also obviously aimed at discrediting culture and identiy, it's all about merging of classes and tradition in a big cosmic soup... Fuck!
No shit. Doesn't surprise me at all. It shouldn't have surprised you after you read (?) the basic outline of the world.
QuoteWhat sci-fi game would you recommend?
I wouldn't recommend a game so much as a show.
I'm currently watching Zeta Gundam for the first time. It's a party.
The Gundam UC setting is pretty plausible (except for the mecha.
My all time favourite Sci Fi set up is Macross. But I would play any gritty '80s Jap real robot show. Go for L-Gaim for heroic down to Gundam and Layzner in the middle to Dougram or Votoms at the realistic gritty end. Start with the setup of the show and then branch off from the official storyine depending on what your PCs do.
If you want a game to match these worlds I would NOT recommend the Palladium Robotech RPG (Even though my 12 year old self would). I'd use Mekton or GURPS Mecha. But, especially for the latter you're gonna have to do A LOT of statting out..come to think of it, I bet someone out there has done stats for Zeta Gundam mecha in Mekton? - the game aesthetic is basically based on that show.
I don't know what Coreolis is (that part of a tit around the nipple?) and I've never played Traveller, but I don't think Traveller has mecha? I think Lancer is a mecha game??
Quote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 17, 2025, 11:58:46 PMQuote from: Venka on April 17, 2025, 04:11:35 PMLancer is famously political, with devs that push for both identity politics and actual economic leftism. They also run around on social media making their position very clear. It's certainly enough that I'd never consider touching their game- it can't be good enough to be worth all that baggage.
Basically getting banned from their discord is a minor badge of honor at least.
I was looking for a space opera game, and something crunchier than my regular style of game. There are some good sci-fi tropes in there, the background story is more fluffy than just pure leftist propaganda. So I thought I could make my own soup of the game and see passed its political agenda which is hard to avoid as it is kind of in your face the way it is written. Now I feel i have invested hours in reading and prepping for my game sessions I feel stupid not to give it a go. Is there a sain way one can play a leftist game and dissociate from the stain attached to it? What would be a good alternative game do you think? Traveller? Coriolis?
Traveller (either Classic or Mongoose 2e), Cepheus Engine, Mekton (II or Zeta, if you want mecha) would be good. Cyberpunk 2020 with the Near Orbit/Deep Space supplements. For added fun, you can combine Mekton and Cyberpunk using the conversion rules in Roadstriker II since they are all made by R Talsorian Games and use very compatible systems.
There's simply no reason to play a system or a game from a community mired in the swamp of leftism. Not these days, where there are so many options. I love Terran Trade Authority, but the RPG injected enough garbage politics and anti-religious allegory for me to reject it. I'm not missing much. It uses the omni system anyway.
The only problem I see is this is one of the few 'RPGs' that all but requires external toolsets to play, which are potentially gatekept by an ideologically mob. Quotes because the RPG aspects are at best cutscenes to the primary gameplay mode which is tactical miniatures, and running a single objective will often take up the entire session leaving no room for the former.
The setting itself has a ridiculously liberal license however, effectively permitting anyone to use and add to it in any media they chose, which has resulted in numerous well designed but unlicensed supplementary materials. So potentially you could roll your own. Question is would such be worth it, and would the holders change the license in response?
Quote from: Adrien Sourdot on April 17, 2025, 11:58:46 PMIs there a sain way one can play a leftist game and dissociate from the stain attached to it? What would be a good alternative game do you think? Traveller? Coriolis?
There's a bunch of fully automated luxury gay space communism stuff in the background material but none of it really matters much in actual play. You are generally out on the borderlands where none of that stuff really applies. The background stuff barely even matters.
Quote from: Spooky on April 16, 2025, 08:00:25 PMI don't allow women in my games and advertise as so.
It's called freedom of association.
Keeping the gaming atmosphere simple?
Quote from: Venka on April 17, 2025, 04:11:35 PMLancer is famously political, with devs that push for both identity politics and actual economic leftism. They also run around on social media making their position very clear. It's certainly enough that I'd never consider touching their game- it can't be good enough to be worth all that baggage.
Basically getting banned from their discord is a minor badge of honor at least.
I have been hearing nothing good about Lancer so far and have spotted them even spam shilling it on various forums where it is not relevant. Usually not a good sign right there.
Speaking of mecha RPGs based on amime.
Check out the Armored Trooper Votoms TPG by R. Talsorian. uses the old FUSION system as its base.
Its based on a rather gritty anime where the mecha are effectively a bridge between power armor and actual mecha.
Personally I wish someone had done a Fang of the Sun Dougram RPG as its still hands down one of the better tactical mecha anime out there. Though you could play it with the Mechwarrior RPG as Battletech uses several mecha from Dougram. The classic Shadowhawk from BT is the Doughram.
Though I'll always have a soft spot for the original Robotech RPG.
Quote from: Omega on April 18, 2025, 04:30:20 PMSpeaking of mecha RPGs based on amime.
Check out the Armored Trooper Votoms TPG by R. Talsorian. uses the old FUSION system as its base.
Its based on a rather gritty anime where the mecha are effectively a bridge between power armor and actual mecha.
Personally I wish someone had done a Fang of the Sun Dougram RPG as its still hands down one of the better tactical mecha anime out there. Though you could play it with the Mechwarrior RPG as Battletech uses several mecha from Dougram. The classic Shadowhawk from BT is the Doughram.
Though I'll always have a soft spot for the original Robotech RPG.
Oh they did a Votoms game? Cool. There's your answer OP. No statting up required if you go for that universe.
Some say Votoms is an extension of Dougram if not a direct sequel. Same guy, Takahashi. I got through all 3 boxes of Dougram last year. It was worth it, great show. At first it seems like a Gundam clone (revolting colony) but it has some cool original sci fi concepts and a very different storyline. There are very good tactical setups almost every episode. I didn't like the characters much though. I plan to wargame it with the 1/72 kits I have. I'm going to flip the script and make the Dougram the objective. The good guys are the Earthlings.