Please see the attached image.
Man, I'll say one thing, Zak S content is always unpredictable.
You know in a movie, where someone is being mind controlled to do something against their will, but they're dragging their feet and decrying the action through clenched teeth, as they fight it with every iota of their mental strength, but are unable to stop?
This is the written apology version of that.
Quote from: Venka on April 16, 2023, 03:36:33 PM
Man, I'll say one thing, Zak S content is always unpredictable.
Well, when the porn money dries up I guess you move onto lawsuits.
I'm going to re-post it here so it's easier for y'all to read:
"
APOLOGY
Over the last decade I've made many tweets referring to Zak Smith. In these tweets I went beyond ordinary or honest criticism, and referred to other allegations of criminal or abusive behaviour against Zak that have not been proved. I accept that I don't have any personal knowledge of any allegations I've referred to regarding Smith, and it was a mistake to refer to any serious allegations against him as if they had been proved. Everyone has a right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. I am sorry for the effect that these tweets have had on Zak and his professional reputation.
I am admitting this because Mr Smith sued me. After 2 years I've found no proof he did anything wrong, online or off. I have paid Mr Smith a cash settlement.
"
'and referred to other allegations of criminal or abusive behaviour against Zak that have not been proved.'
You know, technically this says he has no proof of criminal or abusive behaviour have been perpetrated against you, not that there's no proof of you engaging in said behaviours.
I'm sure this is (judging by the rest of the letter) because this individual is functionally illiterate, but wording is important when it comes to legal documents.
EDIT: This is more of a nit-pick at the incredibly poorly written nature of the letter, than a suggestion of a gotcha or legitimate legal wriggle.
I'll re-post this again.
Quote from: Zak S on April 16, 2023, 03:49:34 PM
I'm going to re-post it here so it's easier for y'all to read:
"
APOLOGY
Over the last decade I've made many tweets referring to Zak Smith. In these tweets I went beyond ordinary or honest criticism, and referred to other allegations of criminal or abusive behaviour against Zak that have not been proved. I accept that I don't have any personal knowledge of any allegations I've referred to regarding Smith, and it was a mistake to refer to any serious allegations against him as if they had been proved. Everyone has a right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. I am sorry for the effect that these tweets have had on Zak and his professional reputation.
I am admitting this because Mr Smith sued me. After 2 years I've found no proof he did anything wrong, online or off. I have paid Mr Smith a cash settlement.
"
Why is this irrelevant shit here? Who fucking cares about shitmuffin?
Ahh, Cam Banks as in Cortex, right?
The moral of the story is that people can and should take criminal charges seriously by deferring to the criminal justice system when criminal charges are made. Not by fantasizing that Twitter retweets turn you into Batman. I wonder if TPB has begun the gaslighting, yet.
Quote from: GnomeWorks on April 16, 2023, 04:28:03 PM
Why is this irrelevant shit here? Who fucking cares about shitmuffin?
Apparently you do, enough to post about it.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on April 16, 2023, 05:22:07 PMApparently you do, enough to post about it.
This is a stupid thing to say, and you fucking know it.
I am more surprised that Cam has 49 other posts here. I'm assuming from long ago before the smear campaigns against this place started.
Quote from: World_Warrior on April 16, 2023, 05:37:21 PM
I am more surprised that Cam has 49 other posts here. I'm assuming from long ago before the smear campaigns against this place started.
Surprisingly some are more recent. I've seen at least one post from him in the past year.
Quote from: GnomeWorks on April 16, 2023, 04:28:03 PM
Why is this irrelevant shit here? Who fucking cares about shitmuffin?
It's very relevant. Both Zak S. and Pundit were consultants on 5E, and their credits were memory-holed by WOTC due to false accusations.
As for who cares? Perhaps you don't, but I'm glad to see that Woke liars get called out. If it were me, I would want justice. How about you? Is it Ok for someone to lie about you and ruin your career? Would you care if it happened to you?
I know little of this drama, but when I see a tweet monger apologize for years of spreading lies, I can only be happy.
Anybody not celebrating this is a literal moron. You can dislike Zak but still celebrate pussy keyboard warriors getting their comeuppance.
You cannot be anti-cancel culture and not celebrate Cam's absolute humiliation here. And unlike Reddit and the big purple, it will live on and not be erased.
So Cam, thank you for your apology and for recognizing how wrong you were.
Quote from: FingerRod on April 16, 2023, 06:28:08 PM
Anybody not celebrating this is a literal moron. You can dislike Zak but still celebrate pussy keyboard warriors getting their comeuppance.
You cannot be anti-cancel culture and not celebrate Cam's absolute humiliation here. And unlike Reddit and the big purple, it will live on and not be erased.
So Cam, thank you for your apology and for recognizing how wrong you were.
So I'm a "literal moron" because I don't give one fuck about any of this nonsense? Sorry, Mr. Moral Authority, but these losers deserve each other. If you honestly think Zak S isn't a delusional sociopath, you're the one who just might be the "literal moron".
Tkk ok be honest neither of the two come off looking good in this situation. Zap s. As usual is being well himself do no surprise.
Cam Banks definitely does not look in this situation as the only reason he apologized was because he was sued. Making his apolo mostly a non-apology and why wait to get sued and in legal trouble to apologize. Why not simply apologize and avoid all the unnecessary hassle of everything else.
Quote from: Aglondir on April 16, 2023, 06:02:12 PM
It's very relevant. Both Zak S. and Pundit were consultants on 5E, and their credits were memory-holed by WOTC due to false accusations.
As for who cares? Perhaps you don't, but I'm glad to see that Woke liars get called out. If it were me, I would want justice. How about you? Is it Ok for someone to lie about you and ruin your career? Would you care if it happened to you?
Agreed. Cam wasn't the only one to do so (spread the twit lies) but it's definitely schadenfreude for me. Congrats, Zak, for at least getting one (forced) apology.
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Defamation laws across the Western world really do need a serious review and reform.
Quote from: Fheredin on April 16, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
Ahh, Cam Banks as in Cortex, right?
At first I was "Who is Cameron Banks?"
Now I'm "What is Cortex?"
Quote from: GnomeWorks on April 16, 2023, 04:28:03 PM
Why is this irrelevant shit here? Who fucking cares about shitmuffin?
I suspect the settlement requires it.
Perhaps one of his earlier posts continued the accusations.
LOL
Quote from: Brad on April 16, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on April 16, 2023, 06:28:08 PM
Anybody not celebrating this is a literal moron. You can dislike Zak but still celebrate pussy keyboard warriors getting their comeuppance.
You cannot be anti-cancel culture and not celebrate Cam's absolute humiliation here. And unlike Reddit and the big purple, it will live on and not be erased.
So Cam, thank you for your apology and for recognizing how wrong you were.
So I'm a "literal moron" because I don't give one fuck about any of this nonsense? Sorry, Mr. Moral Authority, but these losers deserve each other. If you honestly think Zak S isn't a delusional sociopath, you're the one who just might be the "literal moron".
Nope, fuck Zak. But fuck cancel culture more. This hobby means Jack shit to society. But this shit has to stop. So yes it is worth celebrating.
There was a dude who posted here who did a puff piece interviewing Zak. One of the few who would after everything went down. And if you watch the first couple minutes when Zak was rude as fuck about not needing to be handled, that tells you everything one needs to know about who he is.
But this is bigger that him. I would have thought you'd recognize that.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 16, 2023, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on April 16, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
Ahh, Cam Banks as in Cortex, right?
At first I was "Who is Cameron Banks?"
Now I'm "What is Cortex?"
Developer of Cortex Prime:
Quote from: Cortex Primea "multi-genre, modular, session-centered roleplaying game. It's based on the same underlying rules system previously used in several award-winning RPGs based on comic books and television shows."
In this game, you play a Hammerhead, an elite agent fighting global warming:
Quote from: HammerheadsRegardless of what some politicians and corporate interests want you to believe, the world's climate is damaged. Over the last hundred years, human activity has altered weather patterns; and in the world of Hammerheads this continues to worsen. Floods and erosion from rising sea levels, polar ice shelves dropping tons of ice into the ocean and creating tsunamis, widescale firestorms and heat waves, and monstrous hurricanes and ice storms are all symptoms of this shift. Isolated extinction events have begun to hit every continent on the planet, and the race to respond to these long-term problems has consumed world governments even as they are stymied by opposition.
https://www.cortexrpg.com/compendium/hammerheads-spotlight/
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 16, 2023, 09:02:27 PM
Defamation laws across the Western world really do need a serious review and reform.
I think not. Truth is an absolute defense in libel/slander/defamation cases everywhere in the English-speaking world. Don't want to get sued? Don't lie about people. Too many people take a perverse thrill in tossing unfounded accusations of serious crimes like Rip Taylor used to throw confetti:
If anything, it's US law that's the outlier because it makes it almost impossible to take legal action when you've been defamed. Unless the one doing the defaming is stupid enough to brag about their own malicious intent (like Chris Kyle did), it's up to the one being defamed to prove that the scurrilous charges are false. So what exactly should a person do when their character gets assassinated with bogus charges?
Not taking action would be construed as an admission that the accusations are true.
To be frank, I have to thank Pundit for running a website where this conversation is still allowed. A cursory search of mine shows that Cam did post this to Twitter (where it has almost zero engagement), and EN World, where it immediately got locked. I imagine Cam also posted it to a few other places where moderators experienced a glitch in the matrix and immediately deleted it. This thread is very nearly the entirety of the internet's comments on this topic.
So don't diss it too much; this might be niche, but it's important that this conversation happen
somewhere.Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 16, 2023, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on April 16, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
Ahh, Cam Banks as in Cortex, right?
At first I was "Who is Cameron Banks?"
Now I'm "What is Cortex?"
Cortex is a roll and keep step die system which leans into the narrative/ storytelling direction. It basically turns your classic Fate Point into a Fail Forward metagame currency trading game, where bad rolls create Spoilers, which the GM can activate into a Complication, which gives you Plot Points, which you may then use to keep an extra die on a later roll.
I have a kinda awkward relationship with Cortex because my homebrew system has a visible amount of parallel evolution with it. That said, I design combat games, not narrative fidget-spinner games, and certainly not Fail Forward.
Quote from: FingerRod on April 16, 2023, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Brad on April 16, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on April 16, 2023, 06:28:08 PM
Anybody not celebrating this is a literal moron. You can dislike Zak but still celebrate pussy keyboard warriors getting their comeuppance.
You cannot be anti-cancel culture and not celebrate Cam's absolute humiliation here. And unlike Reddit and the big purple, it will live on and not be erased.
So Cam, thank you for your apology and for recognizing how wrong you were.
So I'm a "literal moron" because I don't give one fuck about any of this nonsense? Sorry, Mr. Moral Authority, but these losers deserve each other. If you honestly think Zak S isn't a delusional sociopath, you're the one who just might be the "literal moron".
Nope, fuck Zak. But fuck cancel culture more. This hobby means Jack shit to society. But this shit has to stop. So yes it is worth celebrating.
There was a dude who posted here who did a puff piece interviewing Zak. One of the few who would after everything went down. And if you watch the first couple minutes when Zak was rude as fuck about not needing to be handled, that tells you everything one needs to know about who he is.
But this is bigger that him. I would have thought you'd recognize that.
Greetings!
I agree entirely. I don't know Zak S, and everything I heard about him and his various relationships both in real life and online, seem to be utterly toxic. I long ago maintained that whatever sordid relationship he had going with women was none of my business. Anyone screaming about whatever terrible atrocities should therefore prove them in a court of law. Have Zak arrested, hire lawyers, scream, cry, and get down into the sewer. At the end of the day, the TRUTH will come out. Either way, that is Zak's life. None of that happened, however. No court has judged Zak, and in fact, as I have heard--many of his detractors and accusers have been jack-hammered in the ass, and humiliated for their own hysteria, lies, and absolute malice.
Like the pussy Cam Banks.
Like the other pussy from TBP, "ETTIN" or whatever his fucking name was. He got fucked in a COURT OF LAW too.
So, good! The fucking Marxist crybaby Liberal pussies all need to lose, and be crushed. If Zak is wearing the boot that stomps them down into the sewer, GOOD! A boot stomping the cancel culture pussies and crybabies is still a BOOT STOMPING THEM.
I'll pour a glass of Irish Cream and light up a good cigar. Nothing wrong about good news like that!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
This country needs a big heaping dose of "mind your own business" and that applies to both ends of the political spectrum and both sides of the culture wars.
If you're hurting or preying upon others, that's a problem. Otherwise live your life and let others live theirs.
Quote from: Aglondir on April 16, 2023, 10:11:27 PM
In this game, you play a Hammerhead, an elite agent fighting global warming:
Quote from: HammerheadsRegardless of what some politicians and corporate interests want you to believe, the world's climate is damaged. Over the last hundred years, human activity has altered weather patterns; and in the world of Hammerheads this continues to worsen. Floods and erosion from rising sea levels, polar ice shelves dropping tons of ice into the ocean and creating tsunamis, widescale firestorms and heat waves, and monstrous hurricanes and ice storms are all symptoms of this shift. Isolated extinction events have begun to hit every continent on the planet, and the race to respond to these long-term problems has consumed world governments even as they are stymied by opposition.
https://www.cortexrpg.com/compendium/hammerheads-spotlight/
Ah. A game based on fairy tales.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 17, 2023, 12:37:27 AM
Quote from: Aglondir on April 16, 2023, 10:11:27 PM
In this game, you play a Hammerhead, an elite agent fighting global warming:
Quote from: HammerheadsRegardless of what some politicians and corporate interests want you to believe, the world's climate is damaged. Over the last hundred years, human activity has altered weather patterns; and in the world of Hammerheads this continues to worsen. Floods and erosion from rising sea levels, polar ice shelves dropping tons of ice into the ocean and creating tsunamis, widescale firestorms and heat waves, and monstrous hurricanes and ice storms are all symptoms of this shift. Isolated extinction events have begun to hit every continent on the planet, and the race to respond to these long-term problems has consumed world governments even as they are stymied by opposition.
https://www.cortexrpg.com/compendium/hammerheads-spotlight/
Ah. A game based on fairy tales.
Yes, but they are the SJW Approved fairy tales!
Quote from: Festus on April 17, 2023, 12:33:10 AM
This country needs a big heaping dose of "mind your own business" and that applies to both ends of the political spectrum and both sides of the culture wars.
If you're hurting or preying upon others, that's a problem. Otherwise live your life and let others live theirs.
Because both sides are equally bad, and if you're passive and nice, the other side will be too. There certainly aren't people who will build a power base while you sit on the fence, then take away your fence.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YDeH46U8d3o/WPPbMsY-o2I/AAAAAAAAB44/90p5V4fDd6UKxAk-RuSAgoqUV6QKfzgxQCLcB/s1600/quote-my-good-friends-for-the-second-time-in-our-history-a-british-prime-minister-has-returned-neville-chamberlain-68-88-19.jpg)
Quote from: Grognard GM on April 17, 2023, 01:02:35 AM
Quote from: Festus on April 17, 2023, 12:33:10 AM
This country needs a big heaping dose of "mind your own business" and that applies to both ends of the political spectrum and both sides of the culture wars.
If you're hurting or preying upon others, that's a problem. Otherwise live your life and let others live theirs.
Because both sides are equally bad, and if you're passive and nice, the other side will be too. There certainly aren't people who will build a power base while you sit on the fence, then take away your fence.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YDeH46U8d3o/WPPbMsY-o2I/AAAAAAAAB44/90p5V4fDd6UKxAk-RuSAgoqUV6QKfzgxQCLcB/s1600/quote-my-good-friends-for-the-second-time-in-our-history-a-british-prime-minister-has-returned-neville-chamberlain-68-88-19.jpg)
Greetings!
I just love all of the happy, blissful idealists in our society. Our country is rapidly falling into an abyss of sewage because far too many people refused to fight and stomp the Woke Libtards into the ground, instead vociferously proclaiming that everyone needs to remain sweet, kind, reasonable, and tolerant.
That program has done so well for America, hasn't it?
Of course, the deep, bitter truth is that it is almost too late now. All the weak, trusting cows waited too long. A few people are starting to wake the fuck up recently, but it is simply too late. The rot, the depravity, the corruption, is too deep. I'm afraid that our once-glorious country is doomed. Either outright collapse, civil war, foreign invasion, or the best case, is somehow a strangled mayonnaise-like decline into a third-world shithole level of mediocrity.
It's grim. All of the cultural foundational indicators are in severe decline, and historically, societies that become as corrupt and depraved as we have become, simply do not recover. They just don't. They either implode, get conquered and enslaved, or go through a mayonnaise-sewer phase, where some new kind of tyrant culture arises to cleanse them, and the culture is entirely reinvented. Either way, the original culture is destroyed and gone forever.
Glimpses of the rot, the corruption, the mobs of degenerate animals, can be seen online, like with the whole Zak thing. Zak is old history, and the internet and the depraved mobs of animals have only gotten *worse*, not better.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Elfdart on April 16, 2023, 10:15:49 PMI think not. Truth is an absolute defense in libel/slander/defamation cases everywhere in the English-speaking world. Don't want to get sued? Don't lie about people.
The issue is that the legal process is lengthy and complex at the best of times. My favourite example is the Christchurch mass shooter. He posted his intentions online in a manifesto, livestreamed his homicides, was immediately caught and confessed and pleaded guilty - and it was
still a year and a half between his arrest and sentencing. And of course, many people were involved in the process and it cost millions of dollars.
Where matters of fact are in dispute, the process is even lengthier and more expensive, and is made lengthier and more expensive by having "top lawyers." If you have a KC in Australia, a defamation trial can be 5 years or more between the offending comments and the issued judgement, let alone allowing for any appeals adding another few years to it. Thus, in civil matters like defamation, victory tends to go to those with deeper pockets, unless those with deeper pockets simply can't be bothered with the whole thing and pay "fuck off money" to make the issue go away.
Having victory go to the wealthiest of the parties involved, or a settlement to make the issue go away, is not justice. Thus my comment that defamation laws are in need of serious reform.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 17, 2023, 03:10:48 AM
Having victory go to the wealthiest of the parties involved, or a settlement to make the issue go away, is not justice. Thus my comment that defamation laws are in need of serious reform.
I successfully sued while evicted and on food stamps.
Three times in three countries.
Congratulations on defending your name, Zack S. I hear your public declaration, Cameron B.
It is sad it had to go through the courts to get here, but it is good that the courts exist to hold the line against harm. There are limits to all things, including "free speech," because lies, manipulation, and gossip can destroy just as direct force. It behooves us to remember temperance over our feelings, to retain judgment in the sweep of group passions, lest they lead to harm of others.
This area is probably being treated as a legal public notice space for the purpose of the settlement, that's why this topic is here.
Quote from: Opaopajr on April 17, 2023, 05:38:41 AM
This area is probably being treated as a legal public notice space for the purpose of the settlement, that's why this topic is here.
This site is a place where people have falsely accused me of abuse, harassment and other wrongdoing.
Misinformation should be corrected in the venue where it appears.
Quote from: Grognard GM on April 17, 2023, 01:02:35 AM
Quote from: Festus on April 17, 2023, 12:33:10 AM
This country needs a big heaping dose of "mind your own business" and that applies to both ends of the political spectrum and both sides of the culture wars.
If you're hurting or preying upon others, that's a problem. Otherwise live your life and let others live theirs.
Because both sides are equally bad, and if you're passive and nice, the other side will be too. There certainly aren't people who will build a power base while you sit on the fence, then take away your fence.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YDeH46U8d3o/WPPbMsY-o2I/AAAAAAAAB44/90p5V4fDd6UKxAk-RuSAgoqUV6QKfzgxQCLcB/s1600/quote-my-good-friends-for-the-second-time-in-our-history-a-british-prime-minister-has-returned-neville-chamberlain-68-88-19.jpg)
Yes, both sides can be trash heaps in annals history, and sometimes fence sitters can be assholes too. All of these things can be true at the same time, even if one "side" is arguably worse than the rest. I see nothing in Festus's post contradicting that, but I've definitely seen enough of both sides to see that both sides are shit, and not so much so-called "fence sitters" (those are usually OK, but usually shat on by shit filled people on either side hoping to drag them to the shitter with them), but politically uninitiated willfully ignorant normies can almost invariably be shit too.
We live in a shit world.
Quote from: Zak S on April 17, 2023, 05:07:06 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 17, 2023, 03:10:48 AM
Having victory go to the wealthiest of the parties involved, or a settlement to make the issue go away, is not justice. Thus my comment that defamation laws are in need of serious reform.
I successfully sued while evicted and on food stamps.
Three times in three countries.
And you're an outlier going after nobodies. Most people have to content with their lives being ruined by lies, specially if those lies are propagated by the media or those with pockets deep enough to buy "justice".
Quote from: GnomeWorks on April 16, 2023, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on April 16, 2023, 05:22:07 PMApparently you do, enough to post about it.
This is a stupid thing to say, and you fucking know it.
This says more about you than it does about anyone else. Which was a nicer way to put my initial post. Consider that my last word on the topic as far as you are concerned, since you are at least correct in one minor aspect: I've already wasted more time on the point than you deserve.
Quote from: Fheredin on April 16, 2023, 10:51:52 PM
To be frank, I have to thank Pundit for running a website where this conversation is still allowed. A cursory search of mine shows that Cam did post this to Twitter (where it has almost zero engagement), and EN World, where it immediately got locked. I imagine Cam also posted it to a few other places where moderators experienced a glitch in the matrix and immediately deleted it. This thread is very nearly the entirety of the internet's comments on this topic.
So don't diss it too much; this might be niche, but it's important that this conversation happen somewhere.
.......
Yup agreed. I went searching as well. Saw the cricket silent twatter post. I didn't see the everyone nerd world until now and that pusillanimous mod locked it tight....probably as a favor to Cam. And from what I can tell there's nada on TBP.....of course I'm banned so there's some subfora I can't get to.
Quote from: FingerRod on April 16, 2023, 09:57:53 PM
But this is bigger that him. I would have thought you'd recognize that.
If Hitler and Stalin had a duel to the death, who should I cheer for?
Quote from: Zak S on April 17, 2023, 05:07:06 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 17, 2023, 03:10:48 AM
Having victory go to the wealthiest of the parties involved, or a settlement to make the issue go away, is not justice. Thus my comment that defamation laws are in need of serious reform.
I successfully sued while evicted and on food stamps.
Three times in three countries.
What is even more surprising than this apology is the fact that Zak was able to get food stamps as a single white male in America. I thought this an unpossible achievement.
Quote from: Brad on April 17, 2023, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: FingerRod on April 16, 2023, 09:57:53 PM
But this is bigger that him. I would have thought you'd recognize that.
If Hitler and Stalin had a duel to the death, who should I cheer for?
Godwin's law after only 3 pages. Lazy.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 17, 2023, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: Zak S on April 17, 2023, 05:07:06 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 17, 2023, 03:10:48 AM
Having victory go to the wealthiest of the parties involved, or a settlement to make the issue go away, is not justice. Thus my comment that defamation laws are in need of serious reform.
I successfully sued while evicted and on food stamps.
Three times in three countries.
What is even more surprising than this apology is the fact that Zak was able to get food stamps as a single white male in America. I thought this an unpossible achievement.
That's funny! :)
Not unpossible, though.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 17, 2023, 09:41:32 AMWhat is even more surprising than this apology is the fact that Zak was able to get food stamps as a single white male in America. I thought this an unpossible achievement.
"Fuck yr right wing bs" is the equivalent of "speak, friend, and enter."
Quote from: rytrasmi on April 17, 2023, 09:46:34 AM
Godwin's law after only 3 pages. Lazy.
It literally should have been the first reply, so yes, lazy for taking this long.
Also, the food stamps quip just proves everything we already knew.
Someone make NFTs out of the apology.jpg somehow please.
Glad the Zak won because people lying about him isn't cool.
Still, fuck Zak. Won't ever buy his products nor suggest them to any gamers I know because he is a POS.
Who is Zak Smith?
Edit: oh, got it. The author of Blue Medusa and Vornhein. Nice products. Don't know about the drama though.
Quote from: VisionStorm on April 17, 2023, 06:03:55 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on April 17, 2023, 01:02:35 AM
Quote from: Festus on April 17, 2023, 12:33:10 AM
This country needs a big heaping dose of "mind your own business" and that applies to both ends of the political spectrum and both sides of the culture wars.
If you're hurting or preying upon others, that's a problem. Otherwise live your life and let others live theirs.
Because both sides are equally bad, and if you're passive and nice, the other side will be too. There certainly aren't people who will build a power base while you sit on the fence, then take away your fence.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YDeH46U8d3o/WPPbMsY-o2I/AAAAAAAAB44/90p5V4fDd6UKxAk-RuSAgoqUV6QKfzgxQCLcB/s1600/quote-my-good-friends-for-the-second-time-in-our-history-a-british-prime-minister-has-returned-neville-chamberlain-68-88-19.jpg)
Yes, both sides can be trash heaps in annals history, and sometimes fence sitters can be assholes too. All of these things can be true at the same time, even if one "side" is arguably worse than the rest. I see nothing in Festus's post contradicting that, but I've definitely seen enough of both sides to see that both sides are shit, and not so much so-called "fence sitters" (those are usually OK, but usually shat on by shit filled people on either side hoping to drag them to the shitter with them), but politically uninitiated willfully ignorant normies can almost invariably be shit too.
We live in a shit world.
Thank you, sir.
It's interesting that some appear to equate my statement with fence-sitting. I explicitly say that if you're hurting or preying upon others that's a problem. If that's fence-sitting, and if fence-sitting is "bad", then that implies that either these folks believe that preying upon others is ok if "their side" are the predators, or that infringing upon the freedoms of people who are hurting no one is justified if it's "their side" doing the infringing. That doesn't fit the notion of liberty that I think the USA was founded on. I live in rural Colorado. The mountains are a place people go to live how they want, without the expectation of being coddled or the expectation they can tell their neighbors how to live. If that concept of liberty is fence-sitting, well I'll happily sit on my fence with my .243 and advise others to keep to their side of the fence.
I thought the vibe of this thread was celebrating the comeuppance of someone who *didn't* mind their own business but instead took it upon themselves to mind someone else's without evidence. But apparently it's really celebrating the comeuppance of someone
on the the other side. I find it hypocritical.
This is a perfect example of illustrating the point of: "Shut up about things you know nothing about."
So, I think more of us should be doing that. I am glad this topic is here and has gotten some attention.
In general, I don't care what people tell me about a writer/designer/creator's past or personal life. Motivations and facts are murky here, and "judge not, lest ye be judged." What I do care about is the content of the what they have produced.
An author's intent is interesting, but I'll happily disagree with them if I think that what they have actually written is different/contradicts that intent. I'd like it if more of the discussion around these parts focused on game texts and the running of said games.
Cam Banks?
Is that the guy who got caught fucking a bird? That's what I heard on the interweb tubes.
I just went to the wikipedia for the Audubon society and found out that
Quote from: Some liberal wikipedian
Within a year of its foundation, the early Audubon Society claimed 39,000 members. Eventually, it attained a membership of 48,862 Each member signed a pledge to "not molest birds."
I think, with numbers like that, if someone's name
isn't on that list of signatures, we can't say for sure exactly
what they might do to birds!
Quote from: SHARK on April 16, 2023, 11:47:10 PM
I'll pour a glass of Irish Cream and light up a good cigar. Nothing wrong about good news like that!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Indeed. This news cheered me up. ;D
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 17, 2023, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: SHARK on April 16, 2023, 11:47:10 PM
I'll pour a glass of Irish Cream and light up a good cigar. Nothing wrong about good news like that!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Indeed. This news cheered me up. ;D
Greetings!
Hey there Rob! Cheers, mate! Yeah, I think everyone should be pleased that some Woke activist-wannabe scumbag like Cam Banks got blasted for his stupidity and evil ways IN A COURT OF LAW. And, with the added satisfaction, of Cam Banks not only PAYING MONEY, but also being publicly humiliated and instructed to PUBLICLY APOLOGISE--and FUCKING GROVEL!
How many crimes and absolutely terrible behavior do Woke animals get away with every day, and never suffer a damned thing in consequences?
Yes, my friend. CHEERS! and light up a good cigar!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on April 17, 2023, 08:36:34 PM
How many crimes and absolutely terrible behavior do Woke animals get away with every day, and never suffer a damned thing in consequences?
Yes, my friend. CHEERS! and light up a good cigar!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I hope you're doing well brother!
Indeed... When you start spreading or endorsing malicious shit that can affect another person's career, etc - you need to be called out and brought to account. And cammy was! A-Ha... ;D
Now if only the left would learn the meaning of "innocent until proven guilty".
Quote from: Cathode Ray on April 17, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
Now if only the left would learn the meaning of "innocent until proven guilty".
That's funny. I recall it was the Right chanting "Lock her up" at tRump rallies.
Quote from: GamerSince77 on April 17, 2023, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: Cathode Ray on April 17, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
Now if only the left would learn the meaning of "innocent until proven guilty".
That's funny. I recall it was the Right chanting "Lock her up" at tRump rallies.
Is there any political dynasty that doesn't have a warehouse sized closet full of skeletons wearing cement shoes and overcoats?
Food stamps, eh? Shows how much money there is for a bloke in rpgs and porn.
Yeah, it's "fuck off money." The guy was obviously not worth the trouble of even a literate apology. Hand over some cash to the broke guy on food stamps, mumble something, walk away.
Defamation law, and the legal system in general, are in dire need of reform.
Quote from: GamerSince77 on April 17, 2023, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: Cathode Ray on April 17, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
Now if only the left would learn the meaning of "innocent until proven guilty".
That's funny. I recall it was the Right chanting "Lock her up" at tRump rallies.
Greetings!
I think far more should be done for sweet Hilary than "Lock her up!" That's just the beginning for what she deserves. Along with her, a long line of filthy, disgusting, depraved degenerates should join her for the festivities that they so richly and gloriously deserve.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: GamerSince77 on April 17, 2023, 09:53:36 PM
That's funny. I recall it was the Right chanting "Lock her up" at tRump rallies.
Oh hey look, another Marxist infiltrator!
Quote from: GamerSince77 on April 17, 2023, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: Cathode Ray on April 17, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
Now if only the left would learn the meaning of "innocent until proven guilty".
That's funny. I recall it was the Right chanting "Lock her up" at tRump rallies.
I think they should "lock up" (and worse) Bush and Cheney too, if it makes you feel better. Biden and Obama as well, while we're at it.
Granted I don't identify with any of these meaningless wingnut labels. But they should do something about all these unaccountable war criminals running loose after getting us into illegal wars, blowing up children (including extrajudicial killing of US kids, like Obama did) and funneling taxpayer dollars to their arms dealer buddies (and Big Pharma and Big Tech too, which also get a cut).
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 17, 2023, 10:05:25 PM
Food stamps, eh? Shows how much money there is for a bloke in rpgs and porn.
I don't see how this isn't obvious:
I'm primarily a painter (though I made good money in RPGs on the side) My career(s) were going fine until the RPG guys smeared me all over the internet.
This should be really obvious:
If someone falsely accuses you of a felony,
then that's when the money goes away.
That's one of the reasons you have to sue them.
Quote from: Brad on April 17, 2023, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: GamerSince77 on April 17, 2023, 09:53:36 PM
That's funny. I recall it was the Right chanting "Lock her up" at tRump rallies.
Oh hey look, another Marxist infiltrator!
Greetings!
*BOOM* *Laughing* ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on April 17, 2023, 10:05:25 PM
Food stamps, eh? Shows how much money there is for a bloke in rpgs and porn.
Yeah, it's "fuck off money." The guy was obviously not worth the trouble of even a literate apology. Hand over some cash to the broke guy on food stamps, mumble something, walk away.
Defamation law, and the legal system in general, are in dire need of reform.
The old saying about a lie getting halfway across the planet before the truth can even get its shoes on comes to mind here. And where does someone go to get their good name and reputation back?
Yes, I know, it's Zak Smith. But as far as I know he has never been adjudicated 'defamation proof'. So yeah, he does have the right to sue for slander.
Honestly, more people need to start pulling out the legal cannons and firing broadsides. It's one thing to call someone an ass. It's another to accuse them of crimes that smear just by their accusation.
Quote from: SHARK on April 17, 2023, 08:36:34 PM
Yeah, I think everyone should be pleased that some Woke activist-wannabe scumbag like Cam Banks got blasted for his stupidity and evil ways IN A COURT OF LAW. And, with the added satisfaction, of Cam Banks not only PAYING MONEY, but also being publicly humiliated and instructed to PUBLICLY APOLOGISE--and FUCKING GROVEL!
How many crimes and absolutely terrible behavior do Woke animals get away with every day, and never suffer a damned thing in consequences?
Yes, my friend. CHEERS! and light up a good cigar!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I know that this was directed at someone else but I agree.
I think these keyboard warriors make their comments online and on places like rpg.net because they think they are going to be protected and nothing is going to happen. Alas they find out that what you do on the internet is traceable and they get what they have coming to them.
Good news indeed.
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Quote from: Brad on April 17, 2023, 10:34:06 PMOh hey look, another Marxist infiltrator!
Oh hey look, another right-wing parrot who resorts to calling anyone who has a differing opinion a "Marxist" to protect his own fragile ego.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 17, 2023, 11:13:28 PMAnd where does someone go to get their good name and reputation back?
Yes, I know, it's Zak Smith.
The interesting thing about defamation actions is that commonly the person comes out looking worse than they did before. Your attention is drawn to all sorts of details, and even if not, at the least the person looks petty and sensitive.
Quoteyeah, he does have the right to sue for slander.
Legally, I imagine that is so. Which is one of the reasons I think defamation law needs to be reformed.
After three legal settlements over defamation he was on food stamps, he says. Which tells us that the settlements weren't very big. The small amounts tell us that it was "fuck off" money; the defendants decided it wasn't worth bothering contesting, like when people sue their hairdresser for a bad cut. So we have this whole legal system just for this? Really? Surely he can be a broke writer and porn guy without a lengthy legal process first?
QuoteHonestly, more people need to start pulling out the legal cannons and firing broadsides.
This would clog up the court system very quickly. Already with our ageing and obese population it's looking like we'll end up with half the population working as carers for the other half. Now you're suggesting that the other half should spend their crippled retirement adjudicating people saying nasty things about each-other.
It'd be nice to live in a society where we actually produce things, rather than just wipe bums and then argue over piles of paper. Except rpgs, of course, that's piles of paper worth arguing over.
Food stamps?
Something like this?
Today Was The Day That ODB Went To Get Food Stamps In A Limo (https://rockthebells.com/articles/odb-food-stamps-mtv/)
Quote from: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 12:31:06 AM
Quote from: Brad on April 17, 2023, 10:34:06 PMOh hey look, another Marxist infiltrator!
Oh hey look, another right-wing parrot who resorts to calling anyone who has a differing opinion a "Marxist" to protect his own fragile ego.
Yeah, I doubt many Hillary fans are genuine Marxists. Marxists would mostly want her locked up too. The difference is that conservatives want her locked up after a fair trial. ;D
Quote from: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 12:31:06 AM
Oh hey look, another right-wing parrot who resorts to calling anyone who has a differing opinion a "Marxist" to protect his own fragile ego.
Shut the fuck up, jackass. It's not gonna work. Seven posts, and five are about politics. Yeah, okay...
Quote from: Zak S on April 17, 2023, 05:42:38 AM
Quote from: Opaopajr on April 17, 2023, 05:38:41 AM
This area is probably being treated as a legal public notice space for the purpose of the settlement, that's why this topic is here.
This site is a place where people have falsely accused me of abuse, harassment and other wrongdoing.
Misinformation should be corrected in the venue where it appears.
I'm glad you got the opportunity to make that correction. You're welcome to keep doing that in the future; but unless you think there's any good reason not to, I'm going to close this thread as it seems that the mission has been accomplished, and now there's a lot of veering very much off-topic from RPGs in this thread.
If you want to argue that there is some good reason to keep it open now that Cam Banks issued his apology, please send me a PM with your reasons.
I'm going to pin this for a while, so everyone can see Cam Banks' humiliation.