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Another 5e PHB preview & partial review

Started by Saplatt, August 05, 2014, 12:59:33 PM

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Saplatt

Acts of Geek has a copy and reviews the art & layout.

4.75 out of 5 stars. Only complaint is small font size for the index.

Of note: the creature appendix indeed addresses animal companions, familiars, etc.

Some new art, including half orc, sketches of conditions and another adventuring party.

Marleycat

That Half-Orc looks like a female, interesting.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Sacrosanct

So far the art is very hit and miss with me.  Some of it reminds me of the art in the 2e reprints, and that's not a good thing.  For such a large company, there are a few pieces in there that are very amateur looking.  There are a few that are really cool, but some that's....not.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

jadrax

Gah, 'Beast Spells' made it to the final cut.

/ragequit

Marleycat

What's a "beast spells"? Some excuse to cast spells in animal form? I which by the way where are my previews of the Druid and Ranger?!?
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Sacrosanct

Quote from: Marleycat;776130What's a "beast spells"? Some excuse to cast spells in animal form? I which by the way where are my previews of the Druid and Ranger?!?

If it's like the alpha, I think it's an ability druids get at 18th level or thereabouts.  Doesn't bother me at all because I never had an 18th level PC.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Marleycat

Quote from: Sacrosanct;776133If it's like the alpha, I think it's an ability druids get at 18th level or thereabouts.  Doesn't bother me at all because I never had an 18th level PC.
Far enough because at 18th level you should be doing awesome things and from sources not supposed to be mentioned Eldritch Knights/Valor Bards go full Bladesinger at the same level.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

jadrax

The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

But yes its the ability to cast (some) spells in animal form, and yes the fact it is level 18 probably does much to mitigate it being game breaking.

Armchair Gamer

Quote from: jadrax;776163The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

But yes its the ability to cast (some) spells in animal form, and yes the fact it is level 18 probably does much to mitigate it being game breaking.

  Arguably better to stick it in there and set precedent than to leave it out and risk someone turning it into a feat or alternate class feature somewhere down the road. :)

Marleycat

#9
Quote from: jadrax;776163The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

But yes its the ability to cast (some) spells in animal form, and yes the fact it is level 18 probably does much to mitigate it being game breaking.

I really like the direction 5e is going with abilities like these. It possibly leaves enough space for a book detailing epic/mythic level games without being completely borked or broken for the people that like that kind of thing or as a fun one off game like my group has done occasionally.

And precludes it from ever being a feat in the future.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Omega

Quote from: Sacrosanct;776123So far the art is very hit and miss with me.  Some of it reminds me of the art in the 2e reprints, and that's not a good thing.  For such a large company, there are a few pieces in there that are very amateur looking.  There are a few that are really cool, but some that's....not.

Verily. I am seeing there a few obvious PC paint pieces. But. I am guessing WOTC was on a budget and used whatever they had, or someone just liked that style.

Id have preferred a more consistent look. But as its its mostly servicible.

Exploderwizard

Quote from: Marleycat;776116That Half-Orc looks like a female, interesting.

Male or female, it seems to be suffering from tiny head syndrome. That artist draws heads like Rob Liefield draws feet. :rotfl:
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Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Marleycat

Quote from: Exploderwizard;776196Male or female, it seems to be suffering from tiny head syndrome. That artist draws heads like Rob Liefield draws feet. :rotfl:

The bigger issue though is the hand screwed up?:D
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Imp

Quote from: Marleycat;776139Far enough because at 18th level you should be doing awesome things and from sources not supposed to be mentioned Eldritch Knights/Valor Bards go full Bladesinger at the same level.

Yeah, I've come out in favor of banning 3e's Natural Spell feat in the past – but you can get that as soon as you can assume animal forms! 18th level nuttiness is easier to accept, at least so long as it does not get entirely impossible to wrap your brain around.

ZWEIHÄNDER

No thanks.