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Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Saplatt on August 05, 2014, 12:59:33 PM
Acts of Geek has a copy and reviews (http://www.actsofgeek.com/2014/08/rpg-review-dd-players-handbook/) the art & layout.

4.75 out of 5 stars. Only complaint is small font size for the index.

Of note: the creature appendix indeed addresses animal companions, familiars, etc.

Some new art, including half orc, sketches of conditions and another adventuring party.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Marleycat on August 05, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
That Half-Orc looks like a female, interesting.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Sacrosanct on August 05, 2014, 01:24:39 PM
So far the art is very hit and miss with me.  Some of it reminds me of the art in the 2e reprints, and that's not a good thing.  For such a large company, there are a few pieces in there that are very amateur looking.  There are a few that are really cool, but some that's....not.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: jadrax on August 05, 2014, 01:36:54 PM
Gah, 'Beast Spells' made it to the final cut.

/ragequit
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Marleycat on August 05, 2014, 01:41:44 PM
What's a "beast spells"? Some excuse to cast spells in animal form? I which by the way where are my previews of the Druid and Ranger?!?
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Sacrosanct on August 05, 2014, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;776130What's a "beast spells"? Some excuse to cast spells in animal form? I which by the way where are my previews of the Druid and Ranger?!?

If it's like the alpha, I think it's an ability druids get at 18th level or thereabouts.  Doesn't bother me at all because I never had an 18th level PC.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Marleycat on August 05, 2014, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;776133If it's like the alpha, I think it's an ability druids get at 18th level or thereabouts.  Doesn't bother me at all because I never had an 18th level PC.
Far enough because at 18th level you should be doing awesome things and from sources not supposed to be mentioned Eldritch Knights/Valor Bards go full Bladesinger at the same level.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: jadrax on August 05, 2014, 02:18:58 PM
The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

But yes its the ability to cast (some) spells in animal form, and yes the fact it is level 18 probably does much to mitigate it being game breaking.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 05, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
Quote from: jadrax;776163The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

But yes its the ability to cast (some) spells in animal form, and yes the fact it is level 18 probably does much to mitigate it being game breaking.

  Arguably better to stick it in there and set precedent than to leave it out and risk someone turning it into a feat or alternate class feature somewhere down the road. :)
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Marleycat on August 05, 2014, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: jadrax;776163The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

But yes its the ability to cast (some) spells in animal form, and yes the fact it is level 18 probably does much to mitigate it being game breaking.

I really like the direction 5e is going with abilities like these. It possibly leaves enough space for a book detailing epic/mythic level games without being completely borked or broken for the people that like that kind of thing or as a fun one off game like my group has done occasionally.

And precludes it from ever being a feat in the future.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Omega on August 05, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;776123So far the art is very hit and miss with me.  Some of it reminds me of the art in the 2e reprints, and that's not a good thing.  For such a large company, there are a few pieces in there that are very amateur looking.  There are a few that are really cool, but some that's....not.

Verily. I am seeing there a few obvious PC paint pieces. But. I am guessing WOTC was on a budget and used whatever they had, or someone just liked that style.

Id have preferred a more consistent look. But as its its mostly servicible.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Exploderwizard on August 05, 2014, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;776116That Half-Orc looks like a female, interesting.

Male or female, it seems to be suffering from tiny head syndrome. That artist draws heads like Rob Liefield draws feet. :rotfl:
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Marleycat on August 05, 2014, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;776196Male or female, it seems to be suffering from tiny head syndrome. That artist draws heads like Rob Liefield draws feet. :rotfl:

The bigger issue though is the hand screwed up?:D
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Imp on August 05, 2014, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;776139Far enough because at 18th level you should be doing awesome things and from sources not supposed to be mentioned Eldritch Knights/Valor Bards go full Bladesinger at the same level.

Yeah, I've come out in favor of banning 3e's Natural Spell feat in the past – but you can get that as soon as you can assume animal forms! 18th level nuttiness is easier to accept, at least so long as it does not get entirely impossible to wrap your brain around.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: ZWEIHÄNDER on August 05, 2014, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;776199The bigger issue though is the hand screwed up?:D

You mean, like this?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/shutupmark88/AdvancedDampDPlayersHandbook_zps8e2b5cf7.jpg (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/shutupmark88/AdvancedDampDPlayersHandbook_zps8e2b5cf7.jpg)
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Lynn on August 05, 2014, 07:02:28 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;776116That Half-Orc looks like a female, interesting.

Is it just me or do proportions seem way off on the half orc?
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Gold Roger on August 05, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
Those condition sketches are sweet. A bit pointless, but sweet.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: YourSwordisMine on August 05, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;776196Male or female, it seems to be suffering from tiny head syndrome. That artist draws heads like Rob Liefield draws feet. :rotfl:

needs more pouches
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Number1TheLarch on August 05, 2014, 07:21:16 PM
I really enjoy the condition sketchings. It'd be neat to have condition cards or counters with that sort of art on it.

For those that would use them, anyway.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Marleycat on August 06, 2014, 02:36:09 AM
Quote from: Lynn;776332Is it just me or do proportions seem way off on the half orc?

No. Why do you think I'm not totally sure.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Omega on August 06, 2014, 11:27:19 AM
Quote from: Lynn;776332Is it just me or do proportions seem way off on the half orc?

I am not sure. What are the normal body proportions of a half-orc? :rolleyes:

aheh...

Yes it looks a little odd. But its a non-(full)-human and there have been some really odd depictions of half-orcs and orcs in general.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Shipyard Locked on August 06, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: jadrax;776163The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

That picture is just goofy (not in the good way), and would put me right off of playing a druid. To be fair though, the only druid art I've ever liked is a few of the interpretations from Magic: The Gathering, and only barely. I guess I've yet to see my "definitive" druid.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: LibraryLass on August 06, 2014, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;776615That picture is just goofy (not in the good way), and would put me right off of playing a druid. To be fair though, the only druid art I've ever liked is a few of the interpretations from Magic: The Gathering, and only barely. I guess I've yet to see my "definitive" druid.

I kinda liked it. Pic's definitely goofy, but the pose and the antlers were reminiscent of Vadania, the iconic druid from 3e, which I kind of thought was a neat reference.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Omega on August 06, 2014, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: jadrax;776163The picture of the horned woman with the tiger has text on it.

But yes its the ability to cast (some) spells in animal form, and yes the fact it is level 18 probably does much to mitigate it being game breaking.

I think its some sort of weird headress. Its been a recurring theme in the WOTC books. some gal with deer antler-esque or branch headdress. And usually an elf if I recall correctly.

(http://ironbombs.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/alumni_druid3.jpg?w=259&h=300)
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Shipyard Locked on August 06, 2014, 05:20:43 PM
Quote from: Omega;776633I think its some sort of weird headress. Its been a recurring theme in the WOTC books. some gal with deer antler-esque or branch headdress. And usually an elf if I recall correctly.

(http://ironbombs.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/alumni_druid3.jpg?w=259&h=300)

See, I don't like that one either. She looks anemic, and all the doodads and dangly bits give off this fragile, fussy, "crumbly" vibe, like a showpiece wargame miniature you never dare use on the table because you'll break something off.
Title: Another 5e PHB preview & partial review
Post by: Sacrosanct on August 06, 2014, 05:39:33 PM
This was always one of my favorite druids.  Not necessarily because the actual druid looks all that great, but in the context of the entire piece.  He's got insect plague going on a mindflayer.  That's just a badass dude right there, and I want to play that ;)

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/63/16/34/631634350593b8c92e03bfd5588f2d87.jpg)