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AD&D 2E reprints (hate thread)

Started by 1989, May 21, 2013, 01:10:07 PM

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Bobloblah

#150
June 03, 2013, 03:31:43 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;659728What killed it for me was:

Oddly shaped shields.
Oddly shaped weapons.
Oddly designed armor.
I think the spikes and buckles are pretty common points of complaint about the 3E art. It's usually referred to as "dungeonpunk," no?
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Piestrio

#151
June 03, 2013, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;659731I think the spikes and buckles are pretty common points of complaint about the 3E art. It's usually referred to as "dungeonpunk," no?

Yeah. I was just trying to be a little more specific. And my number one specific annoyance is stupid shields.
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The Ent

#152
June 03, 2013, 04:01:08 PM
The armor looked odd too.

But yeah, the increasing amount of Liefeld style drawings didn't help.

Not a fan of 3e art. Late 2e art was bad too, often, but not as bad. Hell I kinda prefer 4e art to 3e's. Allthough 3e Realms had way better art than the rest of 3e.

thedungeondelver

#153
June 03, 2013, 04:04:22 PM
Spikes.  Spikes everywhere.  Spikes crying out for a good whack with a mace or warhammer to drive them backwards through the wearer's armor, into the wearer like they're carrying their own pre-hit crossbow quarrels already conveniently stuck into themselves.

This is where 3e art is as far as I'm concerned.
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Bobloblah

#154
June 03, 2013, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;659741Spikes.  Spikes everywhere.  Spikes crying out for a good whack with a mace or warhammer to drive them backwards through the wearer's armor, into the wearer like they're carrying their own pre-hit crossbow quarrels already conveniently stuck into themselves.

This is where 3e art is as far as I'm concerned.
Sooooooo...what you're saying is you like it?
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camazotz

#155
June 03, 2013, 05:44:09 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;657861Here are some pictures that I liked from the 1995 reprints.

Good stuff. Yeah....I don't get the art hate for all later editions by everyone, but whatever, got my copies so there.

RPGPundit

#156
June 04, 2013, 05:34:04 PM
Nope, I'll go with (early) 3e art over late 2e art.  A style of art I don't care for done well is still better than a style of art I do care for done godawfully badly.

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#157
June 04, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;659741Spikes.  Spikes everywhere.  Spikes crying out for a good whack with a mace or warhammer to drive them backwards through the wearer's armor, into the wearer like they're carrying their own pre-hit crossbow quarrels already conveniently stuck into themselves.

This is where 3e art is as far as I'm concerned.
Because of my heavy metal commitments, I own a pair of spiked forearm gauntlets. When I'm wearing them, for valid heavy metal reasons, they get in the way of everything.

Spiked armor would turn you into a human piece of velcro with a good chance of taking your companions', or your own, eye out.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

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Planet Algol

#158
June 04, 2013, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;659936Nope, I'll go with (early) 3e art over late 2e art.  A style of art I don't care for done well is still better than a style of art I do care for done godawfully badly.

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At least 3e art doesn't feature the artist inserting out-of-shape gamer nerds into rpg artwork. Some of those 2.5e pictures fall into shit-ouroboros territory.
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StormBringer

#159
June 04, 2013, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;659741Spikes.  Spikes everywhere.  Spikes crying out for a good whack with a mace or warhammer to drive them backwards through the wearer's armor, into the wearer like they're carrying their own pre-hit crossbow quarrels already conveniently stuck into themselves.

This is where 3e art is as far as I'm concerned.
Todd Lockwood is an amazing artist, and I think he did great work with the requirements WotC gave him.  That said, I think those requirements were shit.  Even without the spikes on everything, I would assume the buckles and straps everywhere would cause almost as many problems.  There is a reason armour is as flat as possible on both sides; dozens of thicker spots where the buckles and connectors sat would only transfer kinetic energy more or less directly into the body.
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Planet Algol

#160
June 04, 2013, 07:52:55 PM
I hold that Burning Man is partially guilty for that development.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

StormBringer

#161
June 04, 2013, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Planet Algol;659978I hold that Burning Man is partially guilty for that development.
I hold Burning Man partially guilty for a lot of things.  :)
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#162
June 05, 2013, 12:58:32 AM
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Teazia

#163
June 05, 2013, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;658901Maybe I'm missing something, but your link doesn't go to Grognardia, it goes to your picassa site.  And I'm not seeing the similarity other than "hey, it's black and white inked fantasy art".

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Teazia

#164
June 05, 2013, 09:40:48 PM
The DungeonPunk look was a direct extension of TD's Planescape art.  Unfortunately, the 3e artists could not reproduce his pinache, and idiosycratic stylings.  If you put the PS box set books next to the 3.0 phb, you can see this very clearly.  Even the color pallete.  

Of course TD was handpainting/airbrushing analog (often on blue line transparencies, or colored photo methods?) while the 3.0 books are done either in pencil or digital painting (which looked great in y2k, but crap now).  

Check out this fab WAR late 2e cover (lol):



Also, Todd Lockwood is really good when he is not trying to ape TD IMO.
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