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AD&D 2E reprints (hate thread)

Started by 1989, May 21, 2013, 01:10:07 PM

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1989

May 21, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
Thought it was funny that this was the first review posted on Amazon.

Sums it up pretty nicely:

"The original artwork from the 2nd edition that I loved as a kid has been replaced with what looks like 4th grader designed crayon work."

http://www.amazon.com/Premium-Advanced-Dungeons-Handbook-Rulebook/dp/0786964456/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369156103&sr=1-1&keywords=ad%26d+second+edition+reprint

Sacrosanct

#1
May 21, 2013, 01:21:42 PM
I wasn't aware they replaced art for these reprints.  Or is Mr. Kennedy unaware that the game he loved as a kid had a black border version that these reprints are based off of?
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Rincewind1

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May 21, 2013, 01:33:08 PM Last Edit: May 21, 2013, 01:37:17 PM by Rincewind1
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656411I wasn't aware they replaced art for these reprints.  Or is Mr. Kennedy unaware that the game he loved as a kid had a black border version that these reprints are based off of?

Or perhaps he sobered up for the first time.

So reprints are bad because...? Few years ago, people'd be glad for the notion of reprints themselves. Because honestly - the guys finally answered the criticism for their underhanded moves in regard of attempt to force in 4e, yet it seems unless WotC sets the timer back to the 90s, or lick boots of every fan of 2e/1e they've ever insulted, nothing they'll put out will be good enough.

If there was a Warhammer 1e reprint with supplements, with good quality glue (yes it was a major problem in Polish edition at least, but from what I heard, British one as well), I'd buy all on the spot, even if all art was replaced with stick figures.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Benoist

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May 21, 2013, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656411I wasn't aware they replaced art for these reprints.  Or is Mr. Kennedy unaware that the game he loved as a kid had a black border version that these reprints are based off of?

If that's the case I'm kind of puzzled about some people's standards. Some pieces in the black borders 2E books were bland and sub-par, sure, but 4th grade crayon level? Fuck no. Some of them were actually pretty cool, to me (some of the illustrations of the classes, like the Wizard, come to mind).

1989

#4
May 21, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656411I wasn't aware they replaced art for these reprints.  Or is Mr. Kennedy unaware that the game he loved as a kid had a black border version that these reprints are based off of?

Yeah, they reprinted the 1995 version rather than the 1989 version. Was bummed out when I heard that because I really didn't like the art in the 1995 version.

Would have bought several copies of them had they reprinted the 1989 version.

1989

#5
May 21, 2013, 01:36:57 PM
Quote from: Benoist;656419If that's the case I'm kind of puzzled about some people's standards. Some pieces in the black borders 2E books were bland and sub-par, sure, but 4th grade crayon level? Fuck no. Some of them were actually pretty cool, to me (some of the illustrations of the classes, like the Wizard, come to mind).

Yeah, some of the paintings were quite good, but the watercolour stuff (I think it's watercolour) was, eh, not good imo, and it seemed to be the default art style for the whole series.

Covers were good, though. Easley always fires up my imagination.

Sacrosanct

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May 21, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: 1989;656420Yeah, they reprinted the 1995 version rather than the 1989 version. Was bummed out when I heard that because I really didn't like the art in the 1995 version.

Would have bought several copies of them had they reprinted the 1989 version.

I don't like the art in either compared to 1e ;)

But the rules are a lot easier to understand, and the improvements were better over 1e, IMO of course.
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Bedrockbrendan

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May 21, 2013, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: Benoist;656419If that's the case I'm kind of puzzled about some people's standards. Some pieces in the black borders 2E books were bland and sub-par, sure, but 4th grade crayon level? Fuck no. Some of them were actually pretty cool, to me (some of the illustrations of the classes, like the Wizard, come to mind).

I agree. It wasn't terribleit just seemed a bit lower quality than the stuff in the first version. My impression was they didnt secure the rights to the old art and the art budgets seemed to get smaller for TSR as the 90s wore on. WOTC may not have the rights to the art from the original 2E players handbook.

Arkansan

#8
May 21, 2013, 02:07:45 PM
I have both versions and really prefer the artwork in the 1989 version my self. It has been a while since I read them but it seems like the layout was a bit better in the black border version.

1989

#9
May 21, 2013, 02:29:28 PM
1989 was three columns. 1995 was two columns.

1995 was many more pages, as well.

Melan

#10
May 21, 2013, 02:34:17 PM
Well, it's a...

...wait, someone still cares about 2e? GENE! Bring out the flail! ;)
Now with a Zine!
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Opaopajr

#11
May 21, 2013, 06:09:05 PM
Disappointing selection of printing, and too expensive for my blood. But the green and blue series are now out in PDF again, so I guess it balances out some.
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The Traveller

#12
May 21, 2013, 06:26:26 PM
Quote from: Melan;656449Well, it's a...

...wait, someone still cares about 2e? GENE! Bring out the flail! ;)
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Planet Algol

#13
May 21, 2013, 06:31:41 PM
Quote from: Melan;656449Well, it's a...

...wait, someone still cares about 2e? GENE! Bring out the flail! ;)

Holy Freaking Crap!!!!
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

Piestrio

#14
May 21, 2013, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: Planet Algol;656507Holy Freaking Crap!!!!

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