Quote from: YourSwordisMine;747021Mouseguard RPG

I really want to like it... I love the setting, the book is just gorgeous... But holy shit Burning Wheel (even the simplified version for Mouseguard) is utter shit...

It feels like a decade's worth of homebrew rules grafted on top of Shadowrun.

Quote from: robiswrong;747058It feels like a decade's worth of homebrew rules grafted on top of Shadowrun.

Even that would have been a better system than what we got...

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;747057I also forgot to add:

Dice Pool Systems

I really dislike Dice Pools... The ONLY one I actually enjoy is the ubiquity System used in Hollow Earth Expedition. The Ubiquity Dice go a long way to making it better.

Word. There are a few other games that are similar to ubiquity. I used to hate all dice pools. Then I figured out that it's all the gimmicks some game designers add that make many of the earlier dice pool games execrable.

NWoD actually went to using a more straightforward dice pool system like ubiquity. Too bad it sucks in other ways.

I can easily ignore a single thing, if its not a systemic issue. I have the magical ability to chop an annoying bit out of a setting and just move on. I have never encountered a setting that already had my interest that suddenly lost my interest due to Issue X, but I certainly have modified canon to better suit my tastes.

Oh god how I hate the funky dice that only serve one game.  

Seriously who in the hell gets bored of dice?  I been playing new world of darkness games for nine years and I never got bored over rolling a bunch of d10s to see what are my results.  I played dungeons and dragons and never got bored at that d20.

No energy weapons in a Sci Fi game that has other "advanced tech" which is less likely than energy weapons.  Lasers, particle beams, something. The science IS possible, the biggest hurdle is energy supply, and if you have non-natural wormhole FTL, or the equivalent, energy weapons of some form should be a given./

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;747021Mouseguard RPG

I really want to like it... I love the setting, the book is just gorgeous... But holy shit Burning Wheel (even the simplified version for Mouseguard) is utter shit... Not only that, but Luke Cranes writing makes me want to punch him... I cant explain why... IT just does...

I  can get behind this statement

I dont get the idea that d20 skills are to complex or what not. That being said, I do like Microlite 20 with its four (maybe five) skills.
One thing that really turns me off from d20 modern. Hit Points. Serious setting where say a fourth level character can survive a direct full damage hit at center of mass from a .50 BMG? Fuck you D20 modern. Not in my game. I know it can be easily fixed by capping HP's but the fact I have to do that irks me.

Quote from: Ladybird;746940Then I have learned something about the game world. If it also looks vaguely practical for dragon riding, fine. If it looks like the sort of thing that would be worn briefly before some bom-chik-a-wow-wa "riding dragon style" then it's cheesecake and the book stays on the shelf. Simples!

I was mostly joking,  

But I do think "Cheesecake/Beefcake is , at least to some degree in the eye of the beholder. Like that old bit about pornography "I can't definite it but I know it when I see it." It's one of the reason I avoid the monthly cheesecake threads over there. There's no room for subjectivity and interpretation once something is deemed "cheesecake", it is and don't you dare argue even if you're one of the "victims" of it. And some of the pictures so condemned don't even come close to being suggestive IMO, let alone titillation artwork unless you've got some odd fetishes.

Well with cheesecake it depends on the game.  If it is a game that is serious in tone cheesecake is going to be written down as unneeded.  It will annoy my a few of my friends.  Now if it is a goof ball, or gonzo like game going cheesecake would be fine with me.  It is pure fantasy happening in pure fantasy setting.

Though yeah Ladybird I can clearly see your point and what you are coming from.  Different tastes and all.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;746963Ahh, the power of labels. All this reminds me to never mention "transhumanism" in my sci-fi games and simply say "really advanced genetic engineering and cybernetics" like we used to. It adds up to the same thing in actual gameplay without everybody getting their philosophy/politics wrath on.

That's a pretty basic definition of Transhumanism, ie. Cyberpunk+.

Most of the things that turn people off Transhumanism are really the "Transhumanism Movement" which means we accept at face value the concept of "The Singularity", a "Post-Scarcity Economy" and that people put as much thought as to the existence and transference of their soul/consciousness as they do their t-shirts today.

The idea that humanity can use it's intelligence to self-evolve is interesting, the rest, yeah, not so much.

Quote from: Snowman0147;747103Well with cheesecake it depends on the game.  If it is a game that is serious in tone cheesecake is going to be written down as unneeded.  It will annoy my a few of my friends.  Now if it is a goof ball, or gonzo like game going cheesecake would be fine with me.  It is pure fantasy happening in pure fantasy setting.

Though yeah Ladybird I can clearly see your point and what you are coming from.  Different tastes and all.

I think I've head some off experiences. But the women I've game with have mostly liked "Cheesecake/beefcake" art in the setting, played beautiful characters and enjoyed the "stupid" as part of the fantasy aspect of the game/setting. The worst reaction has been ignoring it and picking something else as inspiration. But I haven't had a woman offended or refuse to play game because of it. I didn't know it was even an issue until I saw it come up online.

Sometimes they want to play more down to earth characters, just like anyone but usually, IME, they like to be sexy, powerful badasses that don't take shit from anyone (again, like the guys) as Escapism. And if presented with two images of equal equality :One of comic book Red Sonja and one Brienne from Game of Thrones as woman warriors in a setting they'd probably go more for Sonja as a basis, all things being equal though Brienne is more realistic.

Could be I've met allot of outliers but that is what informs my opinion ont he matter aside from my own tastes.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;746597Political overtones.  In any RPG.  Yeah, yeah I get it - the bright and noble leader and enlightened goodfolk are are suspiciously a lot like Obama and #Occupy, and the evil cyborg death machine and his brainless minions are like Bush and Republicans, and their propaganda system is a veiled jab at fox news.

Fuck you

Regardless of system, of how it's tilted, it's an instant turn-off unless it's taking jabs at everyone (Paranoia, Underground)

I will throw your shit away if I see that in it, or if I make the mistake in playing it either quit or flip the script insofar as the GM doesn't think I'm griefing.

This has been my biggest pet peeve for a long time.  Ok, I get it, if only people that agreed with YOU ran the world we could avoid all human suffering and life would be a constant orgasm.  You're so enlightened and wise, yet all you're good for is writing a niche game of make believe, funny how that works...

Deadlands and Shadowrun were almost ruined for me by heavy metaplot.  Just give me the setting info and let me run wild with it, I don't give a shit about the metaplot as your group sees it.  Metaplot is really just another game group raping your home game with their stupid PCs and NPCs.  I see Shadowrun fans arguing over which edition is better, not because of rules, but because in one game's timeline Dunkelzaurous is dead and in another he's the President.  I loathe metaplot with the fire of a thousand suns.

Quote from: Nexus;747114I think I've head some off experiences. But the women I've game with have mostly liked "Cheesecake/beefcake" art in the setting, played beautiful characters and enjoyed the "stupid" as part of the fantasy aspect of the game/setting. The worst reaction has been ignoring it and picking something else as inspiration. But I haven't had a woman offended or refuse to play game because of it. I didn't know it was even an issue until I saw it come up online.

Sometimes they want to play more down to earth characters, just like anyone but usually, IME, they like to be sexy, powerful badasses that don't take shit from anyone (again, like the guys) as Escapism. And if presented with two images of equal equality :One of comic book Red Sonja and one Brienne from Game of Thrones as woman warriors in a setting they'd probably go more for Sonja as a basis, all things being equal though Brienne is more realistic.

Could be I've met allot of outliers but that is what informs my opinion ont he matter aside from my own tastes.

To be fair the ones in my group that do complain about women in chain mail are men.  So go figure.  I personally really don't care for cheesecake and beefcake.  It just depends on the setting and much like you I never thought it was a problem before I got online.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;747067Word. There are a few other games that are similar to ubiquity. I used to hate all dice pools. Then I figured out that it's all the gimmicks some game designers add that make many of the earlier dice pool games execrable.

NWoD actually went to using a more straightforward dice pool system like ubiquity. Too bad it sucks in other ways.

To be honest, I still to this day genuinely fail to understand the rage over dice pools.

It genuinely baffles me.