Quote from: Christopher Brady;912818Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick.  Some of you are so freakin' bitter.  So 5e is doing good.  Let's forget your hatred of WoTC, you know the company that actually saved D&D as a brand from the mismanagement of Lorraine Williams, and can't you all be happy that D&D is still around, so that your little heartbreakers actually get some legitimacy instead of being seen as pathetic attempts at trying to save a dead game?

Wow.

Very well said.

Quote from: Doom;912836Very well said.

You are aware you are agreeing with the guy who pathologically hates D&D right? :confused:

Quote from: Omega;912839You are aware you are agreeing with the guy who pathologically hates D&D right? :confused:

I do?  AND NO ONE TOLD ME??  WHY AM I THE LAST ONE WHO FINDS OUT ABOUT THESE THINGS???

Less facetiously, I don't hate D&D (pointless to hate something I can change with house rules, in my opinion), I play it, I'm currently DMing this season's Adventure League (my table is hitting The Amber Temple this week, they decided that Argynvolthost was too dangerous for them, and after facing three Revenants, I'd have to agree with them.  Those things are nasty!) and having a grand old time with the game system.

Does this mean I don't have issues with certain parts?  Or have had some less than positive experiences over all? No. Of course not.  No game system is perfect.  It's how willing you are to work with your issues, or change them (assuming you players are willing to.  And my home game is, thankfully) is what really matters.

So to simplify it, let's leave out the absolute statements, OK?  Just because some parts are annoying and I dislike them doesn't mean I hate the whole thing.  Let's leave the absolutes to the SJW trolling.

I'm happy 5e is doing well.  It gives people a game system to play, and ideas for those who may want to try their hand at creating others in similar veins.  Like Labyrinth Lord, Castles and Crusades, Swords and Wizardry, OSRIC, Pathfinder and many, many others that would have been called 'heartbreakers' back in the 90s.  And I rather actually like Beyond The Wall and Scarlet Heroes.

Indeed, it's not hard at all to believe it's done so well. 5th edition has brought Dungeons and Dragons into the mainstream more than any other edition. It's not nerdy to say you play it, it's trendy now. 5th edition has brought the brand into the spotlight more than any previous edition has.

Quote from: Omega;912839You are aware you are agreeing with the guy who pathologically hates D&D right? :confused:

Quote from: Christopher Brady;912850So to simplify it, let's leave out the absolute statements, OK?  Just because some parts are annoying and I dislike them doesn't mean I hate the whole thing.  Let's leave the absolutes to the SJW trolling.

Like you did?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;912818Let's forget your hatred of WoTC

Physician, heal thyself.

Quote from: Orphan81;912853Indeed, it's not hard at all to believe it's done so well. 5th edition has brought Dungeons and Dragons into the mainstream more than any other edition. It's not nerdy to say you play it, it's trendy now. 5th edition has brought the brand into the spotlight more than any previous edition has.

Ah, but this will be the chicken or egg and the source of endless debate. Did 5e make D&D popular? Or was it the popularity of the culture surrounding it? I honestly don't care either way. More gamers is a good thing, even if they are playing other systems or older editions.

Quote from: Harlock;912860Ah, but this will be the chicken or egg and the source of endless debate. Did 5e make D&D popular? Or was it the popularity of the culture surrounding it? I honestly don't care either way. More gamers is a good thing, even if they are playing other systems or older editions.

No, 5e didn't make D&D popular, D&D was already popular, when various sources of entertainment media used it. The fact certain celebrities were known to play earlier editions (Vin Diesel for one) or that a popular sitcom with a bunch of 'nerds' and 'geeks' used it as a sort of lazy humour vehicle helped put D&D into the mainstream.

Now, as for which edition?  I'd argue that it was likely 3.x that did it.  However, I have no evidence of this, just that I know that several stories involving the mainstream media were talking about D&D before 2014.

Either way, does it matter?  The hobby's no. 1 game is in the forefront of gamers' minds again.

Here's a wrench to throw in the works....

Compare sales of D&D 5e to sales of Pathfinder, that will be a metric worth noting.
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Quote from: jeff37923;912880Here's a wrench to throw in the works....

Compare sales of D&D 5e to sales of Pathfinder, that will be a metric worth noting.
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There's no way lifetime 5e sales beat Pathfinder.  Maybe just over the last two year window.

Quote from: jeff37923;912880Here's a wrench to throw in the works....

Compare sales of D&D 5e to sales of Pathfinder, that will be a metric worth noting.
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Defiantly would be useful in gauge how meany people left Wotc dnd to keep playing what they had been playing.

I found the claim a bit dubious at first, but it's not out of the realm of plausibility. I do see a lot of people playing 5e. I just also see a lot of people still playing 3.5, 1e, and Pathfinder. I suppose if the hard-corish installed fans that stick with their favored variants/editions run about 10% of the population, but on the whole the D&D audience grows by 25%, it could grow and the holdout segment still would seem fairly sizable, but be consistent with the claim.

For that matter, I know many Pathfinder players who purchased a 5e PHB out of curiosity, or who play both games, so there's that too.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;912892I found the claim a bit dubious at first, but it's not out of the realm of plausibility. I do see a lot of people playing 5e. I just also see a lot of people still playing 3.5, 1e, and Pathfinder. I suppose if the hard-corish installed fans that stick with their favored variants/editions run about 10% of the population, but on the whole the D&D audience grows by 25%, it could grow and the holdout segment still would seem fairly sizable, but be consistent with the claim.

For that matter, I know many Pathfinder players who purchased a 5e PHB out of curiosity, or who play both games, so there's that too.

True, there is that.  If 5e is everyone's second favorite D&D, they will blow everyone else out of the water eventually.  Hell, it might be enough simply to be the "Edition That No One Hates".

Quote from: kosmos1214;912891Defiantly would be useful in gauge how meany people left Wotc dnd to keep playing what they had been playing.

It would be fun to know, but I don't think it would be that useful a gauge. There was such a surfeit of 3e product out there one could easily still be playing through much of it without needing to even jump into Pathfinder. Then there are people like me who did indeed leave D&D alone after 4th edition because we found a previous edition or clone we liked, or went to a different system altogether. It would be great to know how fractured the customer base of the franchise is, but without some actual research and bias-free statistics, we'll never know.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;912892For that matter, I know many Pathfinder players who purchased a 5e PHB out of curiosity, or who play both games, so there's that too.

I plan to pick up 5th ed eventually, but at 50 bucks a book, I'm not in a hurry.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;912898I plan to pick up 5th ed eventually, but at 50 bucks a book, I'm not in a hurry.

You can get all three for less than 30 bones a pop with free prime shipping on Amazon at the mo'.