Erm yeah, i'm not a fan of the old dungeon furnace to be honest, but this Race/Class combo kinda makes me scratch my head.
It either makes no sense at all or it makes too much sense.
In the makes no sense corner, these guys are already dragonborn, choosing double dragonborn (in the form of draconic heritage) doesn't make much sense, whilst taking the wild magic option would.
On the other hand, you could also say that it makes total sense and that all dragonborn sorcerers should take the draconic heritage option of the sorcerer. In fact, it's tempting to say that there are no DB wizards and it should all come down to heritage.
So, they make no sense and too much sense.
3/4 dragonborn?
Draconic Heritage doesn't necessarily mean that the Sorcerer is descended from a dragon. That's why any race can take it.
As explained in the text, Draconic Heritage focusses on the mingling of draconic magic with one's blood, and can be from something like descent to a mighty sorcerer of ancient times who made a bargain with a dragon.
As such, I don't see the issue with a Dragonborn Sorcerer taking Draconic Heritage as these refer to two different things.
Quote from: Skywalker;785712Draconic Heritage doesn't necessarily mean that the Sorcerer is descended from a dragon. That's why any race can take it.
As explained in the text, Draconic Heritage focusses on the mingling of draconic magic with one's blood, and can be from something like descent to a mighty sorcerer of ancient times who made a bargain with a dragon.
As such, I don't see the issue with a Dragonborn Sorcerer taking Draconic Heritage as these refer to two different things.
You're right, however, both the race write-up and the class write-up have draconic heritage tables to choose from. Would you allow a Blue Dragon Dragonborn with a Sorcerer bloodline of a different type of dragon?
It gets a bit messy.
I like that it can be whatever the player wants to make of it.
Being a Sorcerer made them Dragonborn.
Being Dragonborn drew them to Sorcery.
Being Sorcerer enhanced the Dragonborn element. Dormant or allready active.
Nothing mattered at all.
etc.
Quote from: One Horse Town;785713You're right, however, both the race write-up and the class write-up have draconic heritage tables to choose from. Would you allow a Blue Dragon Dragonborn with a Sorcerer bloodline of a different type of dragon?
It gets a bit messy.
I could see a Dragonborn born from the egg of a Blue Dragon, having some background explanation for having the magic of a Green Dragon mingled with their blood (or, better yet, a metallic dragon). In fact, I could see some pretty cool stories launched from that idea.
Quote from: Skywalker;785716I could see a Dragonborn born from the egg of a Blue Dragon, having some background explanation for having the magic of a Green Dragon mingled with their blood (or, better yet, a metallic dragon). In fact, I could see some pretty cool stories launched from that idea.
It's only a cool story if 95% of other DB sorcerers are not 2 dragon combos.
Quote from: One Horse Town;785717It's only a cool story if 95% of other DB sorcerers are not 2 dragon combos.
There isn't enough mechanical synergy or cool factor to make having many Dragonborn PCs with Draconic Heritage likely. As such, I wouldn't worry about it.
Now I want see someone do a filk song based on the Lady Gaga song "DragonBorn this Way" .
- Ed C.
I like the idea that once in a while a dragonborn just ends up being a throwback... sometimes even to an entirely different breed of dragon, and no one quite knows why.
Well, hey, maybe dragons breed with each other. Or two different breed dragonborn...
Quote from: LibraryLass;785728I like the idea that once in a while a dragonborn just ends up being a throwback... sometimes even to an entirely different breed of dragon, and no one quite knows why.
Yes, but then again I prefer to be a Drow or Tiefling if I'm running a sorcerer or a Half Elf.. .if I'm feeling a bit snarky.
I'd just bite the bullet and loose one class feature. Or have it like empower my dragon breath or something. Perhaps some other class features'd show up a level earlier. It's workable also from mechanical standpoint.
Quote from: Skywalker;785716I could see a Dragonborn born from the egg of a Blue Dragon, having some background explanation for having the magic of a Green Dragon mingled with their blood (or, better yet, a metallic dragon). In fact, I could see some pretty cool stories launched from that idea.
I was under the impression that dragonborn, as a race, were originally created from eggs but have since procreated via the ages old dragon-with-two-backs ritual, and in doing so pretty much all of them have mixed ancestry. So, to me, having your dragonborn racial stuff draw from a different dragon type than the type referenced in a sorcerous heritage is not dissonant at all.
So your teal dragon example works for me even without any special backstory.
Quote from: Natty Bodak;785738I was under the impression that dragonborn, as a race, were originally created from eggs but have since procreated via the ages old dragon-with-two-backs ritual, and in doing so pretty much all of them have mixed ancestry. So, to me, having your dragonborn racial stuff draw from a different dragon type than the type referenced in a sorcerous heritage is not dissonant at all.
So your teal dragon example works for me even without any special backstory.
Yeah, that also definitely makes sense. And explains why they've tended toward fairly muddy colors in their depictions generally.
Quote from: Natty Bodak;785738I was under the impression that dragonborn, as a race, were originally created from eggs but have since procreated via the ages old dragon-with-two-backs ritual, and in doing so pretty much all of them have mixed ancestry. So, to me, having your dragonborn racial stuff draw from a different dragon type than the type referenced in a sorcerous heritage is not dissonant at all.
Yep. The Dragonborn's racial description leaves the exact details vague, so what you say is possible.
Quote from: One Horse Town;785717It's only a cool story if 95% of other DB sorcerers are not 2 dragon combos.
That would be silly.
All the other dragonborn are half-dragon dragons blooded sorcerers.
And now I have the urge to play a Green Dragonborn, Gold Half Dragon, Red Dragon Blooded Sorcerer called Trafficlights...
Sorcerers are my least favorite 5e class. Whoever wrote the 5e sorcerer, like whoever wrote the 4e sorcerer, clearly had no idea of what to do with the class.
I'd rather they went the Pathfinder route with sorcerers being divided in "bloodlines" with draconic being one possibility among several. It would harken back to the original concept of the class (a natural-born "wild talent" magician to whom spellcasting comes naturally).
But I digress. My take on Dragonborn Draconic Sorcerers would be as follows: dragonborn are not dragons. Draconic blood was very likely involved in their original creation aeons ago, but they're no more dragons than human are apes. If you can picture an ape/human hybrid, you can picture a dragon/dragonborn hybrid. They are as likely to be directly descended from dragons as your average human, despite being, as a species, far closer to dragonkind; and they're just as likely to tap into this heritage through sorcery.
Quote from: The Butcher;785747I'd rather they went the Pathfinder route with sorcerers being divided in "bloodlines" with draconic being one possibility among several.
Isn't that what they are in 5e? Admittedly, only two such "bloodlines" are presented in the PHB.
There is that whole Tiamat thing.
Quote from: The Butcher;785747I'd rather they went the Pathfinder route with sorcerers being divided in "bloodlines" with draconic being one possibility among several. It would harken back to the original concept of the class (a natural-born "wild talent" magician to whom spellcasting comes naturally).
Except... they kind of actually
did that.
Quote from: Natty Bodak;785738I was under the impression that dragonborn, as a race, were originally created from eggs but have since procreated via the ages old dragon-with-two-backs ritual, and in doing so pretty much all of them have mixed ancestry. So, to me, having your dragonborn racial stuff draw from a different dragon type than the type referenced in a sorcerous heritage is not dissonant at all.
So your teal dragon example works for me even without any special backstory.
Yeah, i guess that one makes sense.
Heck with that. Im going to take a red dragonborn and then multiclass Sorcerer four times and get the other colours. The first Chromatic Dragonborn!
Quote from: Omega;785803Heck with that. Im going to take a red dragonborn and then multiclass Sorcerer four times and get the other colours. The first Chromatic Dragonborn!
All hail Twinkamat!
Quote from: One Horse Town;785706In the makes no sense corner, these guys are already dragonborn, choosing double dragonborn (in the form of draconic heritage) doesn't make much sense, whilst taking the wild magic option would.
Quite another route to double dragonborn would be to play a dragonborn monk named Billy Lee. :p
Quote from: Omega;785803Heck with that. Im going to take a red dragonborn and then multiclass Sorcerer four times and get the other colours. The first Chromatic Dragonborn!
I don't think that's how multiclassing works.
I'ld allow any and all things suggested above that can be shoe horned into a loose interpretation of the rules (including the 5-class 'Twinkimat'). Why not? What's the harm?
The aforementioned 'Twinkamat' would actually suck, hard, and if someone was intent on doing it, hey, fine.
The thing is? A Sor1/Sor1/Sor1/Sor1/Sor1 character would have a bunch of first level spells ONLY (spell selection from each class), though have Caster 5 spell slots.
They'd have 5 elemental affinities due to different heritage. Awesome!
Aaaand absolutely fuck-all to do with them -- the elemental affinity only kicks in at level 6, and it needs to be level 6 in one of the specific classes. You'd only get resistance to 5 different elements when you reach level 6 in all 5 classes, or level 30...
So, uh. It's more 'Twaddlemat' than twink.
Quote from: Will;785841The aforementioned 'Twinkamat' would actually suck, hard, and if someone was intent on doing it, hey, fine.
The thing is? A Sor1/Sor1/Sor1/Sor1/Sor1 character would have a bunch of first level spells ONLY (spell selection from each class), though have Caster 5 spell slots.
They'd have 5 elemental affinities due to different heritage. Awesome!
Aaaand absolutely fuck-all to do with them -- the elemental affinity only kicks in at level 6, and it needs to be level 6 in one of the specific classes. You'd only get resistance to 5 different elements when you reach level 6 in all 5 classes, or level 30...
So, uh. It's more 'Twaddlemat' than twink.
Exactly. But it would be bemusing to play a walking rainbow. To hell with teh powerz! I want passers by to fail sanity checks just looking at the character. heh-heh.
(http://www.odditycentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Rainbow-eucaliptus.jpg)
The concept in Ent form!
Quote from: Will;785841The aforementioned 'Twinkamat' would actually suck, hard, and if someone was intent on doing it, hey, fine.
The thing is? A Sor1/Sor1/Sor1/Sor1/Sor1 character would have a bunch of first level spells ONLY (spell selection from each class), though have Caster 5 spell slots.
They'd have 5 elemental affinities due to different heritage. Awesome!
Aaaand absolutely fuck-all to do with them -- the elemental affinity only kicks in at level 6, and it needs to be level 6 in one of the specific classes. You'd only get resistance to 5 different elements when you reach level 6 in all 5 classes, or level 30...
So, uh. It's more 'Twaddlemat' than twink.
how does multiclassing work vis a vis xp? if you take fighter 6 than add sorcerer is it still 300 xp to 2nd level sorcerer ?
In 1e of course a 5/5/5/ Fighter/magic user /thief would have the same xp as a 7th level fighter as opposed to a 15th level one.
XP is based on total character level, so it's like 3e in this respect.
One of the Monster Manual previews is the "Half-Dragon" template.
So if your DM allows that you can be a Half-Dragon Dragonborn Dragon-Blooded Sorcerer.
Quote from: Blacky the Blackball;786061One of the Monster Manual previews is the "Half-Dragon" template.
So if your DM allows that you can be a Half-Dragon Dragonborn Dragon-Blooded Sorcerer.
Oh good! That means I only have to take Sorcerer three times! :cheerleader:
Quote from: Exploderwizard;785831Quite another route to double dragonborn would be to play a dragonborn monk named Billy Lee. :p
/facepalm
If and when I run 5e, to cut down on the stupid, I will rule thusly.
Dragonborn Sorcerer Ancestry is determined by the Dragonborn Racial choice. So no double dipping... Since Dragonborn will already have resistance to their ancestral damage type, when a L6+ DB Sorcerer spends 1 Sorcery point for resistance for 1 hour, they will instead gain immunity for 1 hour. Double Resistance would be pointless... Draconic Sorcerers don't get a breath weapon, so no conflicts there.
Really, it comes down to common sense and what is and isn't stupid...