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5e - Dragonborn Sorcerers

Started by One Horse Town, September 07, 2014, 07:22:50 PM

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One Horse Town

September 07, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
Erm yeah, i'm not a fan of the old dungeon furnace to be honest, but this Race/Class combo kinda makes me scratch my head.

It either makes no sense at all or it makes too much sense.

In the makes no sense corner, these guys are already dragonborn, choosing double dragonborn (in the form of draconic heritage) doesn't make much sense, whilst taking the wild magic option would.

On the other hand, you could also say that it makes total sense and that all dragonborn sorcerers should take the draconic heritage option of the sorcerer. In fact, it's tempting to say that there are no DB wizards and it should all come down to heritage.

So, they make no sense and too much sense.

Opaopajr

#1
September 07, 2014, 07:39:18 PM
3/4 dragonborn?
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Skywalker

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September 07, 2014, 07:40:21 PM Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 07:45:22 PM by Skywalker
Draconic Heritage doesn't necessarily mean that the Sorcerer is descended from a dragon. That's why any race can take it.

As explained in the text, Draconic Heritage focusses on the mingling of draconic magic with one's blood, and can be from something like descent to a mighty sorcerer of ancient times who made a bargain with a dragon.

As such, I don't see the issue with a Dragonborn Sorcerer taking Draconic Heritage as these refer to two different things.

One Horse Town

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September 07, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: Skywalker;785712Draconic Heritage doesn't necessarily mean that the Sorcerer is descended from a dragon. That's why any race can take it.

As explained in the text, Draconic Heritage focusses on the mingling of draconic magic with one's blood, and can be from something like descent to a mighty sorcerer of ancient times who made a bargain with a dragon.

As such, I don't see the issue with a Dragonborn Sorcerer taking Draconic Heritage as these refer to two different things.

You're right, however, both the race write-up and the class write-up have draconic heritage tables to choose from. Would you allow a Blue Dragon Dragonborn with a Sorcerer bloodline of a different type of dragon?

It gets a bit messy.

Omega

#4
September 07, 2014, 07:57:08 PM
I like that it can be whatever the player wants to make of it.

Being a Sorcerer made them Dragonborn.
Being Dragonborn drew them to Sorcery.
Being Sorcerer enhanced the Dragonborn element. Dormant or allready active.
Nothing mattered at all.
etc.

Skywalker

#5
September 07, 2014, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;785713You're right, however, both the race write-up and the class write-up have draconic heritage tables to choose from. Would you allow a Blue Dragon Dragonborn with a Sorcerer bloodline of a different type of dragon?

It gets a bit messy.

I could see a Dragonborn born from the egg of a Blue Dragon, having some background explanation for having the magic of a Green Dragon mingled with their blood (or, better yet, a metallic dragon). In fact, I could see some pretty cool stories launched from that idea.

One Horse Town

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September 07, 2014, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: Skywalker;785716I could see a Dragonborn born from the egg of a Blue Dragon, having some background explanation for having the magic of a Green Dragon mingled with their blood (or, better yet, a metallic dragon). In fact, I could see some pretty cool stories launched from that idea.

It's only a cool story if 95% of other DB sorcerers are not 2 dragon combos.

Skywalker

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September 07, 2014, 08:04:02 PM Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 08:10:21 PM by Skywalker
Quote from: One Horse Town;785717It's only a cool story if 95% of other DB sorcerers are not 2 dragon combos.

There isn't enough mechanical synergy or cool factor to make having many Dragonborn PCs with Draconic Heritage likely. As such, I wouldn't worry about it.

Koltar

#8
September 07, 2014, 08:18:30 PM
Now I want see someone do a filk song based on the Lady Gaga song "DragonBorn this Way" .


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LibraryLass

#9
September 07, 2014, 08:50:22 PM
I like the idea that once in a while a dragonborn just ends up being a throwback... sometimes even to an entirely different breed of dragon, and no one quite knows why.
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Will

#10
September 07, 2014, 09:13:42 PM
Well, hey, maybe dragons breed with each other. Or two different breed dragonborn...
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#11
September 07, 2014, 09:15:02 PM
Quote from: LibraryLass;785728I like the idea that once in a while a dragonborn just ends up being a throwback... sometimes even to an entirely different breed of dragon, and no one quite knows why.

Yes, but then again I prefer to be a Drow or Tiefling if I'm running a sorcerer or a Half Elf.. .if I'm feeling a bit snarky.
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Rincewind1

#12
September 07, 2014, 09:19:16 PM
I'd just bite the bullet and loose one class feature. Or have it like empower my dragon breath or something. Perhaps some other class features'd show up a level earlier. It's workable also from mechanical standpoint.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Natty Bodak

#13
September 07, 2014, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: Skywalker;785716I could see a Dragonborn born from the egg of a Blue Dragon, having some background explanation for having the magic of a Green Dragon mingled with their blood (or, better yet, a metallic dragon). In fact, I could see some pretty cool stories launched from that idea.

I was under the impression that dragonborn, as a race, were originally created from eggs but have since procreated via the ages old dragon-with-two-backs ritual, and in doing so pretty much all of them have mixed ancestry. So, to me, having your dragonborn racial stuff draw from a different dragon type than the type referenced in a sorcerous heritage is not dissonant at all.

So your teal dragon example works for me even without any special backstory.
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LibraryLass

#14
September 07, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: Natty Bodak;785738I was under the impression that dragonborn, as a race, were originally created from eggs but have since procreated via the ages old dragon-with-two-backs ritual, and in doing so pretty much all of them have mixed ancestry. So, to me, having your dragonborn racial stuff draw from a different dragon type than the type referenced in a sorcerous heritage is not dissonant at all.

So your teal dragon example works for me even without any special backstory.

Yeah, that also definitely makes sense. And explains why they've tended toward fairly muddy colors in their depictions generally.
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