My very first impression is:
QuoteAdditional consultation provided by
Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws,
S. John Ross, the RPGPundit, Vincent Venturella, and Zak S.
No wonder 5E is hitting some great notes with me! (And no, I'm not sucking up to Pundit - although he should receive kudoes for having a hand in this)
Kenneth Hite? That may explain the inclusion of horror rules in the DMG. That's a very good sign.
Quote from: Zeea;764153Kenneth Hite? That may explain the inclusion of horror rules in the DMG. That's a very good sign.
Yes ma'am.:)
Quote from: Obeeron;764144My very first impression is:
No wonder 5E is hitting some great notes with me! (And no, I'm not sucking up to Pundit - although he should receive kudoes for having a hand in this)
Almost half those people are those I wouldn't buy a game from.
Quote from: JeremyR;764195Almost half those people are those I wouldn't buy a game from.
So? Especially given if half those people made a game most would buy it. You pick which half or combination because it bores me to explain the obvious.
Is it shameful that I don't know who half of them are? :p
Quote from: dragoner;764205Is it shameful that I don't know who half of them are? :p
Even better. The point is...who cares?
Quote from: dragoner;764205Is it shameful that I don't know who half of them are? :p
Hell no. I think the fact that I know of all but one of them is a sign that I spend too much time online.
What I really mean is, who the heck is Vincent Venturella?
Quote from: JamesV;764207Hell no. I think the fact that I know of all but one of them is a sign that I spend too much time online.
What I really mean is, who the heck is Vincent Venturella?
Good question, who is that? I spend too much time online as well, but I'm just a player of games I guess.
And imagine, if those other guys spend as much time writing/hyping this edition as Pundit. Shit, Wizards could drop their entire marketing budget.
And also, while I think it's well cool (and then some!) to be namedropped on the first page of the worlds biggest rpg, we should probably remember, that the real credit for this should be given to the designers, not the consultants.
I'm sure the consultants have had influence, stuff like ascribing "horror rules" to Ken Hite seems a bit off, to me at least. The designers should get most of the accolades (if its good). And I'm pretty sure, that it will be the names from the first column of the first book that will be giving the 1.0 version their stamp of approval, not the consultants.
Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;764224And also, while I think it's well cool (and then some!) to be namedropped on the first page of the worlds biggest rpg, we should probably remember, that the real credit for this should be given to the designers, not the consultants.
I'm sure the consultants have had influence, stuff like ascribing "horror rules" to Ken Hite seems a bit off, to me at least. The designers should get most of the accolades (if its good). And I'm pretty sure, that it will be the names from the first column of the first book that will be giving the 1.0 version their stamp of approval, not the consultants.
Definitely.
Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;764224And imagine, if those other guys spend as much time writing/hyping this edition as Pundit. Shit, Wizards could drop their entire marketing budget.
And also, while I think it's well cool (and then some!) to be namedropped on the first page of the worlds biggest rpg, we should probably remember, that the real credit for this should be given to the designers, not the consultants.
I'm sure the consultants have had influence, stuff like ascribing "horror rules" to Ken Hite seems a bit off, to me at least. The designers should get most of the accolades (if its good). And I'm pretty sure, that it will be the names from the first column of the first book that will be giving the 1.0 version their stamp of approval, not the consultants.
Well, rather, I should say that horror rules in the DMG might explain Ken Hite's involvement. Or it might go both ways. In general, though, if Ken Hite is involved in a game, and there's any sort of horror element involved, you'd be crazy _not_ to get his input on things. :D
Getting Ken Hite to give input and not asking him about horror is like making a sports RPG and asking Michael Jordan to give his input on soccer.
Anyway, the names I recognize on that list are pretty good. I may not agree with Pundit and Zak on a lot of non-gaming issues, but they've both got good ideas when it comes to D&D.
I'm glad to see the consultants named in the credits. While the precise extent of their involvement may remain somewhat unclear, the omission of so much as their names from the credits would have been quite telling. That's not the case, so I'm glad for those who put in their work.
Quote from: Zeea;764153Kenneth Hite? That may explain the inclusion of horror rules in the DMG. That's a very good sign.
Yeah, if the tips on how to run a horror game come from Ken (or are at least influenced by Ken) that's a very good sign.
Since they seem to be into giving a bit of love to all the old settings with the Basic Rules (seriously, I think Birthright is the only major 2E setting that doesn't get a nod), I'd be very interested in a 5E Ravenloft that had the Hite mark on it...
Yep, I admit that I was pretty thrilled to see these names. I really like Hite's writings (been subscribed to "Ken Writes About Stuff" for two years now) and even though I'll probably never ever run anything in the GUMSHOE system (because of lack of players, not lack of interest) I dig Laws' involvement as well. Their material is full of great system-agnostic stuff that I mine for ideas.
Also glad that Zak is in there too. His blog (and of course mother-fracking VORNHEIM) are hella inspirational. Two of his blog posts (The Black Wing of Tiamat (http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-black-wing-of-tiamat.html?zx=59bb127411a3948b) and The Red Hand of Tiamat (http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-red-hand-of-tiamat.html?zx=de29dbd1f3715e9e)) got me into the OSR movement in the first place.
Quote from: JamesV;764207Hell no. I think the fact that I know of all but one of them is a sign that I spend too much time online.
What I really mean is, who the heck is Vincent Venturella?
In answer to the question, I am Vincent Venturella.
I just wanted to respond and say that I was honored to take part in the process to help bring this great game to life.
I also want to second that the lion's share of the credit should go to the design team and especially to Mr. Mearls. Their vision was clear throughout the lengthy process but they still remained open to feedback and input.
I have done some previous freelance work for WotC and most recently my company released our new book NGS after our successful kickstarter campaign for the same. (Check out Venturelandgames.com if you are curious).
I am glad people are responding positively to what they are seeing in the preview and for reasons far beyond my own involvement, I hope that Next is a big success.
Welcome to theRPGSite! We are a phosphorous bunch, but we tend to grow on you, like a cave fungus. Enjoy our hospitality.
:cheerleader:
Quote from: Vincent Venturella;767192I have done some previous freelance work for WotC and most recently my company released our new book NGS after our successful kickstarter campaign for the same. (Check out Venturelandgames.com if you are curious).
The concept art on that site is awesome!
Quote from: Vincent Venturella;767192(Check out Venturelandgames.com if you are curious).
Quote from: VenturelandgamesExplore a new level of collaborative story-telling.
Ack, StoryTrigger, it burns ussss Precious!
Quote from: Necrozius;767324The concept art on that site is awesome!
Yeah, no kidding, nice art.
Quote from: Vincent Venturella;767192In answer to the question, I am Vincent Venturella.
Welcome to the adult swim.
Quote from: Opaopajr;767287We are a phosphorous bunch, but we tend to grow on you, like a cave fungus.
Or jock itch.
Quote from: CRKrueger;767341Ack, StoryTrigger, it burns ussss Precious!
I think we need to post trigger warnings for CRKrueger if "storygames" come up.
I'm afraid he'll die of anaphylactic shock.
Quote from: robiswrong;767423I think we need to post trigger warnings for CRKrueger if "storygames" come up.
I'm afraid he'll die of anaphylactic shock.
#INeedPunditismBecause
Quote from: Rincewind1;767428#INeedPunditismBecause
:D:eek::D
There are only two people on that list, who I don't know anything about..
Quote from: Silverlion;767902There are only two people on that list, who I don't know anything about..
Whereas I only know two of the names. Although the only writer I know of is Mearls, cause I haven't read the credits. :o
I recognised a fair number of them, i'm glad they asked jeff grubb to consult as i always found his world building and setting info to be solid and imaginative, and getting hite in for horror stuff was a bloody good idea(hopefully they asked him to write up some ravenloft setting idea's for a future book as well).
http://charm-monster.blogspot.com/2014/07/5e-d-consultants-who-are-and-what.html
A quick, very, of the consultants.
Quote from: dar;768004http://charm-monster.blogspot.com/2014/07/5e-d-consultants-who-are-and-what.html
A quick, very, of the consultants.
Neat thanks.
Welcome, Vincent!
Who's S. John Ross? (I found out about Vincent recently because of G+).
Quote from: Marleycat;773340Who's S. John Ross? (I found out about Vincent recently because of G+).
Guy who created Risus, Uresia: Grave of Heaven, and Pokethulhu, and also he designs some pretty neat fonts.
Quote from: LibraryLass;773350Guy who created Risus, Uresia: Grave of Heaven, and Pokethulhu, and also he designs some pretty neat fonts.
Very cool.:)
So he's a bit new school I gather? That's fine given my favorite game of all time is Mage the Awakening. And the GM/FWC reboot is nothing short of amazing so far thanks to Dave. And he has Malcom on the team also? Pure insane.
S John Ross is also responsible for the great Encounter Critical, which I fucking live. And believe me, the man responsible for it is someone I want having a say in D&D.
Quote from: Planet Algol;773380S John Ross is also responsible for the great Encounter Critical, which I fucking live. And believe me, the man responsible for it is someone I want having a say in D&D.
Let's just say if you like it then I ain't worried end of story.
Quote from: Planet Algol;773380S John Ross is also responsible for the great Encounter Critical, which I fucking live. And believe me, the man responsible for it is someone I want having a say in D&D.
...Was that him too? Awesome.
Quote from: Marleycat;773351Very cool.:)
So he's a bit new school I gather? That's fine given my favorite game of all time is Mage the Awakening. And the GM/FWC reboot is nothing short of amazing so far thanks to Dave. And he has Malcom on the team also? Pure insane.
No, he predates new school. His earlier work was for GURPS...
Quote from: Planet Algol;773380S John Ross is also responsible for the great Encounter Critical, which I fucking live. And believe me, the man responsible for it is someone I want having a say in D&D.
Encounter Critical rocks.
Ross seems like a skilled dude.
A lot of people don't realize (or have forgotten) how cool and inventive games have been since the beginning.
Torg came out in 1990, and had some AMAZEBALLS game design, for example.
Quote from: The Ent;773499Encounter Critical rocks.
Ross seems like a skilled dude.
He is, and my G+ interaction with him suggest he's a fantastic, stand-up guy too. Almost makes me want to trawl used bookstores for his GURPS stuff.
Regarding his preferences, he recently asked for new game recommendations "as long as they're not D&D or storygames" — the poor bastard. ;)
Quote from: The Butcher;773537Almost makes me want to trawl used bookstores for his GURPS stuff.
For me, John Ross is the guy who wrote GURPS Russia, one of the best historical supplements ever.
Quote from: The Butcher;773537He is, and my G+ interaction with him suggest he's a fantastic, stand-up guy too. Almost makes me want to trawl used bookstores for his GURPS stuff.
Hm, I better look thru my GURPS collection again to see wich ones he's been at.
Most GURPS stuff is well worth buying, anyhow, imo. :)
Quote from: The ButcherRegarding his preferences, he recently asked for new game recommendations "as long as they're not D&D or storygames" — the poor bastard. ;)
Ha yes, that sounds a bit like using a wasp's nest for a football. :D
Ken Hite is a very cool dude, but I always knew where he was at DunDraCon and KublaCon; I don't know exactly why, but he ALWAYS has a gaggle of gamers around him, like he's Gamer Jesus and they're his flock of Gamer Disciples.
It's particularly strange, when some of them follow him into the pisser.
Very glad to see Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Robin Laws, and S. John Ross on the list.
So far as I can tell the main plan behind 5E has been to make a game which all of the people on the "consultant" list can sit around the same table and play without killing each other. An insanely overblown ambition, but they seem to have succeeded so far as I can tell.
Quote from: Warthur;774323So far as I can tell the main plan behind 5E has been to make a game which all of the people on the "consultant" list can sit around the same table and play without killing each other. An insanely overblown ambition, but they seem to have succeeded so far as I can tell.
Well put!
Quote from: Warthur;774323So far as I can tell the main plan behind 5E has been to make a game which all of the people on the "consultant" list can sit around the same table and play without killing each other. An insanely overblown ambition, but they seem to have succeeded so far as I can tell.
That would be one hell of a webcast. ;o)
Quote from: Silverlion;773417No, he predates new school. His earlier work was for GURPS...
Which is why I recognized his name.
ANY game that has Hite, Ross, and RPG Pundit on their consultant list has got to be better than 4th edition Dumb & Drag....
- Ed C.
I have a lot of respect for everyone on the Consultants list.
I'm only a bit sorry for those other than Zak and myself, that their significance may have ended up being overshadowed by the Incessant Stream of Bullshit.
Of course, on the other hand, I doubt most of them envy me or Zak just now.