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So the MMO is dead which makes it the biggest piece of news to happen with the world of darkness. Does anyone want to discuss about this?
Quote from: Snowman0147;742628From the main page of CCP. (http://www.ccpgames.com/en/home)
So the MMO is dead which makes it the biggest piece of news to happen with the world of darkness. Does anyone want to discuss about this?
Was there any doubt it was dead for the past few years? It just makes it official.
I knew it was going to fail since day one. Feel bad for the 56 people that got laid off. Though that is about it really. It just after all these years was a waste. They could had gone to a better route and made a really good video game. Make a Neverwinter Nights/Shadowrun Returns type of game that would allow fans to make new content. Hell a bloodlines 2 would had been a better idea.
I just hope it doesn't screw with Onyx Path in some way they really have the WoD rocking and rolling both CWoD and NWoD.
I hope not. Are they owned by CCP?
A pity, but really, this seemed inevitable; it'll have sucked up so much cash that it could never be anything other than a financial failure. CCP have cut their losses, probably a few years too late, but better late than never.
Quote from: Snowman0147;742640I hope not. Are they owned by CCP?
Pretty sure not. But CCP does own the name "White Wolf" (IP) so I am not sure if they could do something to mess with them. But Rose Bailey said that nothing is changed via their publishing arraignment with CCP.
Well if they are not owned by CCP and do end up losing world of darkness they can easily have world of darkness like game any ways. They own Scion and while it is a game about demigods they are building up the second edition differently. Origins book is going to focus on beings that are lower in the scale and feature options to play as none scions.
Quote from: Snowman0147;742640I hope not. Are they owned by CCP?
No. But OPP licences the WoD and Exalted IP from CCP for its releases (and own Trinity and Scion outright).
Quote from: Snowman0147;742640I hope not. Are they owned by CCP?
CCP and WW merged a few years back. WW wasn't really taken over, but, they effectively were.
Onyx Path license the Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Exalted etc. properties from CCP for their releases. They're basically the same WW writers, under a different name.
As long as Onyx Path provide enough revenue without too much hassle, I can't see CCP really interfering; the properties would all be forgotten in a few years if they lay dormant. OP may even get more freedom out of it, as now there isn't an MMO they have to worry about contradicting.
It really is more about the 56 people they laid off than Onyx Path. I hope they can rehire some of them given they do everything by kickstarter and PoD anyway.
Sad news, but yeah, hardly a surprise.
Quote from: Marleycat;742655It really is more about the 56 people they laid off than Onyx Path. I hope they can rehire some of them given they do everything by kickstarter and PoD anyway.
They were CCP staff. Other reports have said that some have been reassigned to EVE (Most likely technical staff), and some have been given severance packages.
It's unlikely that Onyx Path would even have any roles for those staff, because OP aren't a video games developer.
Quote from: Ladybird;742663They were CCP staff. Other reports have said that some have been reassigned to EVE (Most likely technical staff), and some have been given severance packages.
It's unlikely that Onyx Path would even have any roles for those staff, because OP aren't a video games developer.
Makes sense given the writers are already with OP.
*Sigh*
I was hoping this game would be made in my lifetime.
At least its not as bad as when City of Heroes got murdered by NC soft.
True. Can't imagine how many people that lost their jobs over that one.
Sad. I recall seeing a "sorta" demo - basically just a couple of character models is a painted up character creator UI. That's really the only reason why CCP got WW.
It wouldn't surprise me if WW gets shopped to someone else. CCP has got to be feeling their loss in investment dollars.
You know I would not be surprise if world of darkness does get sold off.
If that happened (not likely according to Onyx Path) don't let Hasbro acquire it.
Well given my trust with CCP is on a whole new low and Onyx Path would cover any thing bad that is going on in the world of darkness... Lets just say I really don't trust it and if Onyx is really wise they start making their own IP right now.
I had forgotten this was even a thing...
Quote from: Snowman0147;742956Well given my trust with CCP is on a whole new low and Onyx Path would cover any thing bad that is going on in the world of darkness... Lets just say I really don't trust it and if Onyx is really wise they start making their own IP right now.
They already did. They own Scion and Trinity outright.
Yet right now they are only focusing on world of darkness books. If I was them I would start making some changes to the schedule.
Why would they?
WoD fans are throwing money at them as is, why try and make something out of Scion and Trinity?
Quote from: Sommerjon;743198Why would they?
WoD fans are throwing money at them as is, why try and make something out of Scion and Trinity?
Because they own them and half of Exalted also. In the case of Scion and Trinity they even have a different base 10 game engine they're going to introduce. They couldn't do that with the WoD because CCP owns the IP but are satisfied with the current arraignment with Onyx Path.
Quote from: Marleycat;743209Because they own them and half of Exalted also. In the case of Scion and Trinity they even have a different base 10 game engine they're going to introduce. They couldn't do that with the WoD because CCP owns the IP but are satisfied with the current arraignment with Onyx Path.
Wait...the WOD type mechanics might actually be replaced with something coherent?
I love the settings, but the mechanics give me an ulcer.
Quote from: Marleycat;743209Because they own them and half of Exalted also. In the case of Scion and Trinity they even have a different base 10 game engine they're going to introduce. They couldn't do that with the WoD because CCP owns the IP but are satisfied with the current arraignment with Onyx Path.
It's great that they own them. However, big deal WoD sells better.
They have the luxury of working[slowly] on their IP while making money off of WoD.
Quote from: Bill;743219Wait...the WOD type mechanics might actually be replaced with something coherent?
I love the settings, but the mechanics give me an ulcer.
Hope so.
It's too bad, but not really surprising.
Quote from: Sommerjon;743233It's great that they own them. However, big deal WoD sells better.
They have the luxury of working[slowly] on their IP while making money off of WoD.
Till CCP decides to end that one day. CCP is not known for its wise business moves lately.
I'm going to look at this glass as being half-full. Yes, it sucks for those who got laid off and I don't want to take away from that. On the other hand, the MMO had been in limbo for so long that I didn't have any serious expectation at this point that it'd ever be worth the wait, and as mentioned upthread this might let Onyx Path off the leash a little.
If nothing else, if CCP genuinely do not want to do anything different with the IP then I can see them just straight-up selling it back to Onyx Path - I don't think they'd be able to get a better offer from other quarters for it and there's enough personal connections between the two remaining that I suspect CCP will be inclined to cut their former buds in OP a deal just to save themselves the costs of trying to scout around and negotiate a better deal elsewhere and to get themselves a little positive PR bump. (They might even release the White Wolf name, allowing Onyx Path to go from WW-in-all-but-name to actually-just-WW.)
I suspect CCP may look at licensing the IP out for single player computer games, though; VtM: Bloodlines has a decent critical reputation and I'm sure there'd be studios out there keen on the idea of making a followup.
It is kinda odd. CCP merger with White Wolf was more of a hostile take-over were everyone WW was canned and forced to start their own company. CCP didn't have any gameplay to show in eight years time and Onyx Path is now going stronger than ever with old WoD being resurrected and new WoD being revamped. While they don't own the games, but are getting the settings licenced by CCP.
It's a shame. The WoD MMO could be something fresh and different. An anti-grind, more socially oriented sandbox RPG. The trailers it had were very moody and really got me invested in it. I don't think any other game company would get the rights on it. They are either too small to pull it off or they are big enough, but don't want to try something that much of a niche. If I were a big software developer I would make an MMO based on Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or a generic fantasy or sf setting. Mass Effect maybe. WoD doesn't appeal to a mainstream audience.
You know we should really have a discussion about CCP and White Wolf. I am not the only one that thinks that White Wolf got the raw end of the deal and no they are not partners. A partner has to make 50% of the business decision. A company that has no say what the company as a whole does is not a partner. That is just simple truth.
Quote from: Snowman0147;745209You know we should really have a discussion about CCP and White Wolf. I am not the only one that thinks that White Wolf got the raw end of the deal and no they are not partners. A partner has to make 50% of the business decision. A company that has no say what the company as a whole does is not a partner. That is just simple truth.
CCP owns the rights. Onyx Path are licensee for WoD and Exalted and own the rights for Scion and Trinity. White Wolf is dead. That company is no more. Fun fact: Richard Thomas is the boss of Onyx Path and I know him as the artist of MtG card art like Water Elemental, Wall of Fire and Blue and Red Elemental Blast.
Back at the WW fora people were talking about a "new business model" when they started going for pdf's and making new old WoD games. To me this was always more than a new business model. They were making new books for a setting being canceled eight years ago (2004-2012). To me that's also acknowledging you slayed the goose with the golden eggs. Is that ever been done in the RPG world? Resurrecting a setting after almost a decade?
Don't know, but I thought that series was done with no room to grow. Which is why it had the end of the world event.
They own half of Exalted.
Quote from: Snowman0147;745295Don't know, but I thought that series was done with no room to grow. Which is why it had the end of the world event.
Incorrect. OWoD is alive and well and CCP is fine with the current relationship with Onyx Path. The anniversary editions basically updated the setting beyond the end of the world events to current times.
Yes there had been a update, but is there any thing new about it? It is rehash job and from what people had told me they screwed the pooch on werewolf.
Quote from: Snowman0147;745305Yes there had been a update, but is there any thing new about it? It is rehash job and from what people had told me they screwed the pooch on werewolf.
From what I know is there are a lot of oWoD still out there. There were flame wars on the WW and the Shadownessence forum about the old coke vs new coke till about 2011. Then WW went offline for about a year and came back in 2012 with the "classic" WoD and revamped the new WoD in a way it actually got some flavor. The flame wars were gone. Shadownessence went dead and is no more. I think it is because of the lack of flamewars. It was the only thing that kept that forum going.
Now I don't like metaplot either, but the background of the old games is in every way superior to the new ones. I do think the difference between those two settings will be smaller with the new editions coming out, which seems to settle somewhere in the middle of those two.
So, a playtest manual from March got leaked. (https://docviewer.yandex.com/?url=ya-disk-public%3A%2F%2FjBtVWEj6jI1LSCSyKH%2FrkotjmHYrHtsl%2BdOXr8sZT3o%3D&name=marchwalkthrough.pdf&c=53614e09c7b3&page=1)
Game looks like it could have been okay, if a touch uninspired, but would have required a large and dedicated player base. EVE's had time to build that up organically over a decade; these days, with so much having been sunk into development, it doesn't look like a title that would have been able to pay back for itself.
Oh well.
Sad.
I would have given this a try, hoping for something to fill the hole left by COH (more social, less concerned with 'gear', less attractive to certain sorts of assholes).
Quote from: Simlasa;746472Sad.
I would have given this a try, hoping for something to fill the hole left by COH (more social, less concerned with 'gear', less attractive to certain sorts of assholes).
Not quite as social and still gear-centric, but IME the most casual-friendly MMO experience right now is Guild Wars 2. I love it and recommend it to every casual player; pity my wife still prefers WoW. :o