http://www.heroquestclassic.com/
I'll just leave this here FYI.
Awesome! may have to get in on the kickstarter once they launch it(unless i missed it in which case nvm).
I posted about it a while ago.
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=28055 (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=28055)
New minis, new adventures, some rules tweaks, resin furniture, probably new maps, new wilderness board.
Potential problem is. It is not official. They are using some sort of licensing agreement loophole which is just begging for trouble. So far though Hasbro and Games Workshop havent acted on it. Wont know till either it succeeds or they close it down. Really 50-50 on this.
Sculpts so far look great and there will apparently be alternate female models for each character.
No expansions though.
No Skaven :(
Quote from: TristramEvans;710015No Skaven :(
That's what they want you to think ;)
Quote from: Skywalker;710019That's what they want you to think ;)
I see what you did there :)
Quote from: TristramEvans;710015No Skaven :(
Basic HQ didnt have any skaven. That was Warhammer Quest. (Not sure about Advenced HQ, heard of, never actually seen)
So base set was mostly orcs, goblins, zombies, skeletons, mummys, chaos warriors, chaos sorcerer, gargoyle, firmir.
Quote from: Omega;710013New minis, new adventures, some rules tweaks, resin furniture, probably new maps, new wilderness board.
Potential problem is. It is not official. They are using some sort of licensing agreement loophole which is just begging for trouble. So far though Hasbro and Games Workshop havent acted on it. Wont know till either it succeeds or they close it down. Really 50-50 on this.
Sculpts so far look great and there will apparently be alternate female models for each character.
Yup. There aren't any pictures of the figures yet, though they have illustrations of the barbarian, dwarf, elf, and wizard. The list they say is:
1 barbarian
1 dwarf
1 mage
1 elf
1 huntress
1 female dwarf
1 wizard
1 female elf
On the one hand, I'm glad they include female models. However, the labeling raises a big eyebrow for me. i.e. It presents as if there is a normal dwarf, and then there is a dwarf with a special qualifier.
Quote from: jhkim;710325Yup. There aren't any pictures of the figures yet, though they have illustrations of the barbarian, dwarf, elf, and wizard. The list they say is:
1 barbarian
1 dwarf
1 mage
1 elf
1 huntress
1 female dwarf
1 wizard
1 female elf
On the one hand, I'm glad they include female models. However, the labeling raises a big eyebrow for me. i.e. It presents as if there is a normal dwarf, and then there is a dwarf with a special qualifier.
"Dwarf" and "Elf" aren't really very characterful names. The recent WHQ computer game renamed their Dwarf and Elf the Ironbreaker and Waywatcher, which kinda helps.
Elfette and Dwarfette? ;)
Quote from: Ladybird;710326The recent WHQ computer game renamed their Dwarf and Elf the Ironbreaker and Waywatcher, which kinda helps.
*twitch*
Quote from: Omega;710688Elfette and Dwarfette? ;)
Aren't elves all girls and dwarves all boys?
"Knobbles and Twee"
Quote from: Piestrio;710691*twitch*
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It's the Warhammer setting. They have tons of history for each of their species, with their own fighting groups. Going to the generic is just being crap, especially when you later introduce more characters of the same species... it would be like calling the Barbarian "Human".
A quick (bad) translation of the FAQ. I parsed out as best I could. There may be some mistakes!
QuoteDoes GameZone have the rights to HeroQuest?
Yes, GameZone has acquired the rights to produce and distribute HeroQuest in Spain.
Is it a remake of the classic rules or revision?
It will be a revision. To republish something you already have around the world is meaningless. Yes, it will be closer to the Warhammer Quest Heroquest. The original game supporters perfectly corrected inconsistencies and provide it with more content and strengthen it. Without losing its essence. It was a game that worked well, but was very bare bones. At the end of the day almost everyone has fibe-tuned this game because it's a great base to do so and supports the change very well. We have read many remakes and versions of several countries, there is something almost all useful and are very few that have destroyed the game. That speaks of the virtues of the structure and mechanics of Heroquest.
HeroQuest? Appears only in Spanish? Will it only be available in Spain?
HeroQuest will be published in Spanish, English, French, German and Italian, and can be purchased by fans around the world.
And the board? Will it be like the classic or modular?
There will be both classic board as modular sections. also the classic board is reversible, one side is the original design, while the opposite side represent wilderness.
What material are the miniatures?
Miniatures will be made of high quality plastic resin.
Is it true that there will be new heroes?
Original heroes will be maintained but there will be female counterparts. Additionally one of the options Kickstarter offer 15 new heroes.
Who will be the villain? Morcar or Zargon??
Both. And either one or the other will have their own miniature.
Kickstarter
Is there a category of "early birds"?
No, all fans will have the same opportunities.
What options are available and what will be included?
$ 89 Basic Box Heroquest 25th Anniversary.
$ 110 Basic Box Heroquest 25th Anniversary + 15 new adventurers with their minis.
$ 150 Basic Box Heroquest 25th Anniversary + 15 new adventurers with their corresponding tabs + all the rewards (including Morcar and Zargon).
Are the categories limited to potential backers?
No, the categories are limitless.
Can I purchase multiple copies?
Yes, you can purchase as many copies as you like.
This will be my first Kickstarter. How does it work?
This link will be useful: http://www.heroquest.es/index.php?topic=8881.0
Quote from: Omega;710088Basic HQ didnt have any skaven. That was Warhammer Quest. (Not sure about Advenced HQ, heard of, never actually seen)
So base set was mostly orcs, goblins, zombies, skeletons, mummys, chaos warriors, chaos sorcerer, gargoyle, firmir.
No Fimirs:(
Quote from: TristramEvans;711147No Fimirs:(
Yours didnt come with Firmir???
Quote from: Omega;711152Yours didnt come with Firmir???
The new one has Fim...ah, Firmir? How very interesting. Wonder how they fenagled that with the lisence?
Quote from: TristramEvans;711154The new one has Fim...ah, Firmir? How very interesting. Wonder how they fenagled that with the lisence?
According to one of the designers posting over at BGG. They didnt get the rights to the firmir and so they have some sort of stand in called Drrakks
Here is the current roster.
-46 PLASTIC RESIN FIGURES
(8 HEROES)
1 barbarian
1 dwarf
1 mage
1 elf
1 huntress
1 female dwarf
1 wizard
1 female elf
(38 MONSTERS)
2 mummies
4 zombies
4 skeleton warriors
6 goblins
8 orcs
4 chaos warriors
3 drrakks
1 petrified gargoyle
1 gargoyle
1 chaos witch
1 wraith
1 ogre
1 black orc
1 viscosity of the abyss
The Kickstarter is up: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2113976860/heroquest-25th-anniversary
Given the cost, the poor translation/editing on the KS page, and the dubious legal status, I am going to wary of this one.
Take a look at the convoluted system they have for calculating shipping... ow...
Still. Its chugging along well so far.
What I do not like is that the KS mentions none of the changes to the game system or anything about the actual gameplay.
I still kinda want to go for this. I never had Heroquest when I was young (Instead I had to make my own version) and what they have there, looks like it's worth the money.
The rest of their figures are really good, so yeah, this is probably going to get some of my money.
This reads like Dr Seuss :)
QuoteWhen I talked about it with a friend, he made me understand that the petition was really open, not focused to a single company. It was a petition made mainly to two big fishes, but open to any third party.
I just hope that the $ don't go to fund a defence against Hasbro and GW. The legality has yet to be tested and I can't see GameZone faring well regardless of the merits.
Quote"Hi there,
This is a message from Kickstarter Support. We're writing to inform you that a project you backed, Heroquest 25th Anniversary, is the subject of an intellectual property dispute.
The project has been removed from public view until the dispute is resolved, which can take up to 30 days. The project's funding and the countdown to its deadline have been stopped. If the project becomes available again, the countdown will continue and the new deadline will extend past the original deadline for as much time as the project was unavailable. You can find out more by reading our Copyright Policy and our Trademark Policy.
Thanks so much for your patience and cooperation,
Kickstarter"
As I kinda expected would happen.
That was somewhat predictable.
It wouldn't be so bad if GW actually put out their own version after scuppering this beautiful attempt, but as said game predates the year 2000 that would mean acknowledging that there are adults out there who actually like playing games too; can't have that.
It isn't Games Workshop behind the cease and desist, apparently it's Moon Design Publications, who publish the HeroQuest RPG by Robin Laws
Quote from: soviet;712195It isn't Games Workshop behind the cease and desist, apparently it's Moon Design Publications, who publish the HeroQuest RPG by Robin Laws
Wow. Really? That seems like a mega-douche thing to do then.
QuoteOfficial statement
Please bear with us. Gamezone and Moon Design are in a meeting negotiating a settlement for both parts at this time.
Moon Design believes that their interests in the HEROQUEST brand within the USA will be infringed upon. Although we are not distributing or selling our product in US territory. As a precaution Moon Design presented a C/D on the 27th of Nov. Our talks are coming to a point where the negotiation will benefit all those involved, which finally would let us offer our product in stores in the USA sometime next year.
The Moon Design C/D was suspended, but on the table, as another element in the negotiation. Here at Gamezone it is our hopeful understand that its activation is possibly by error as both parties where coming to an agreement. Said agreement would finally end beneficially for Fans in the USA by opening the physical distribution to stores in that country. This brief pause of activity is as harmful to the interests of Moon Design as it is to Gamezone Miniatures.
We are as surprised as the Heroquest community, we didn't expect that on Thanksgiving, of all days, to be wrapped up in this mess, that is so disagreeable for everyone involved. On a day such as this it is extremely complicated to get in touch with Moon Design. We are working diligently on a solution so we can continue with the project from where it is at the moment and reinforce it for the future.
Thank you. Dionisio
Gotta say that its a black mark against Moon Design IMO.
Quote from: Skywalker;712197Wow. Really? That seems like a mega-douche thing to do then.
Having worked with them before, I wouldn't put that past them. Although I'm not 100% sure they're wrong in this instance. The history of the HeroQuest trademark is a long and contentious one, MDP may feel like they have to defend it aggressively just in case.
I am sure there is enough legalese to cause an issue, but given HQ 25th is a board game with no connection to the HQ RPG and has a long separate legacy, I still call "douchebag" on issuing the C&D.
Have to say when I think of HeroQuest I think of the board game and not the RPG, and yeah 'douche' is applicable. Why would they do that?
Quote from: soviet;712195It isn't Games Workshop behind the cease and desist, apparently it's Moon Design Publications, who publish the HeroQuest RPG by Robin Laws
:eek: ... :eek:
Many years before either the boardgame or the Robin Laws RPG, HeroQuest was supposed to be a sort of epic level RuneQuest. It was mentioned as a potential upcoming release in the back of an early edition of RQ. But Chaosium hadn't trademarked it so, deliberately or not, the boardgame got published first and in effect stole the name. It was some time later that Milton Bradley/GW let the TM lapse (again, deliberately or not) and so Issaries were able to re-use it for Robin Laws' new Gloranthan RPG. Maybe MDP are just paranoid about having the name stolen from them again?
Melon farmers.
Well, let's see how this plays out.
Oh, and Hasbro apparently said they would be looking into this too.
This thing has been a mess from nearly the get-go.
We dont even know what the rules will be like yet. They wont be HeroQuest since the FAQ makes that one more or less apparent. But will be compatible somehow.
I figure they will come to some agreement with MD and proceed.
Question is. Will this have taken the wind out of their sails or not?
Quote from: Omega;712290Oh, and Hasbro apparently said they would be looking into this too.
Where did you hear that?
Quote from: Skywalker;712295Where did you hear that?
Someone sent off a message to HB legal asking about the validity of the HQ25 and Hasbro replied that they would look into it.
So its anyones guess what could happen next once the current C&D is resolved.
Hopefully GW will re-issue (or re-make) Warhammer Quest which was a truly awesome board game and IMO the best in the genre of dungeon board games.
There's more detail revealed over on BGG. Apparently GZ contacted MD about their TM but didn't follow it up. :rolleyes:
MD seems to be focussed on only considering GZ's use of HQ if they have Hasbro's permission, as if it may somehow come back to bite MD :confused:
tl;dr GZ is exactly as dodgy as suspected, and the whole situation is a complete mess.
Quote from: Spinachcat;712577Hopefully GW will re-issue (or re-make) Warhammer Quest which was a truly awesome board game and IMO the best in the genre of dungeon board games.
GW's line is that they lost the artwork in their big move in the 90's... Which is plausible enough, I guess.
If they gave it the same sort of rework they did Space Hulk, though - which would be brilliant, and lack of the originals is a fantastic excuse - I wouldn't expect change out of £100. But I'd buy it.
If you've got an iDevice, the recent video game is good!
The whole thing is a dog's ass, no matter which way you turn it.
It always is when people start throwing IP's and lawyers around.
This new HeroQuest has been a blip on my radar since I first heard of the project. I figured Moon Design and GW(and Hasbro - huh!) would have a bone in this fight, I'm only surprised it didn't blew up until now.
It looks like GZ took a fast one by not even adressing the IP-issues before forging ahead with the Kickstarter. It really does not seem like a stellar move..
That said; HeroQuest for me will always be the boardgame, not the wonky Gloranthan RPG. Regardless of who owns the IP, and where.
Quote from: baragei;712641The whole thing is a dog's ass, no matter which way you turn it.
It always is when people start throwing IP's and lawyers around.
This new HeroQuest has been a blip on my radar since I first heard of the project. I figured Moon Design and GW(and Hasbro - huh!) would have a bone in this fight, I'm only surprised it didn't blew up until now.
It looks like GZ took a fast one by not even adressing the IP-issues before forging ahead with the Kickstarter. It really does not seem like a stellar move..
That said; HeroQuest for me will always be the boardgame, not the wonky Gloranthan RPG. Regardless of who owns the IP, and where.
My thoughts exactly, i'm kinda wondering how long it'll be now before GW send their hellhounds to give the company a kicking aswell? no doubt they'll find an excuse to sue like usual.
Quote from: Ladybird;712617GW's line is that they lost the artwork in their big move in the 90's... Which is plausible enough, I guess.
If they gave it the same sort of rework they did Space Hulk, though - which would be brilliant, and lack of the originals is a fantastic excuse - I wouldn't expect change out of £100. But I'd buy it.
If you've got an iDevice, the recent video game is good!
Ive never heard anyone from GW say they lost the files and even so, theyd just rework it from the ground up like they did Space Hulk. The epic fail of Dread Fleet though may have killed Warhammer Quests chances. GW though did allow WHQ on the ipad or phone recently. Havent seen it as lack one.
As for HeroQuest, GameZone vs Moon Design.
So far the way its described is...
GZ asked MD permission to use the HQ title in the US.
MD says Ok as long as they showed proof that Hasbro had actually given permission.
GZ declines to show proof.
MD says No. No permission granted.
GZ goes ahead anyhow.
MD gets wind of it and hits them with a C&D and now want some cash too for trying to pull a stunt.
GZ is appealing to KS to remove the lock as obviously MD has no real say in this...
And round and round it goes. And still GZ hasnt shown a single line of rules yet.
Aaaaaaand.
GameZone pulled the KickStarter campaign and will likely be trying Indigogo or something else.
Indiegogo is based in San Francisco, so they'd have the same issue. Their best best is something like Verkami (http://www.verkami.com/), which is based in Spain.
Yes, Sounds like they are aiming for Verkami.
Also one of GameZones members apparently turned around and is currently trying to file a trademark for HeroQuest in the US by filing it under Toys and Sporting or somesuch since Moon Design's HQ is registered under books.
And more self contradictory posts on whats happening.
Round and round.
And its up om Verkami.
aaaaaaaand its closed down a few hours later by Verkami stating the campaign was misleading to backers or somesuch.
Looks like this one is over.
According to GZ, they are looking for another crowdfunding site :D
Quote from: Skywalker;714380According to GZ, they are looking for another crowdfunding site :D
Give em points for persistence. But dock them points for poor translations.
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"I know that your arrows are still fly true..." from their video.
Maybe they could just call it HQ?
There's a couple retro-clones that do that, use the same initials as D&D and AD&D...
Aaaaaand its up for rooooooound threeeeeeee! *ding*
http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/
Quote from: Omega;718344Aaaaaand its up for rooooooound threeeeeeee! *ding*
http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/
Damn, 86,000 Euros already.
Quote from: JeremyR;718521Damn, 86,000 Euros already.
Someone who speaks Spanish should perhaps warn people what hijinks are going on here? Also, GW not suing for breach of trademark is the biggest shocker to me. I thought they had a script for that already.
Quote from: Rincewind1;718522Someone who speaks Spanish should perhaps warn people what hijinks are going on here? Also, GW not suing for breach of trademark is the biggest shocker to me. I thought they had a script for that already.
Perhaps they do, but feel a little burned after the Space Marine fiasco, so they instead prepares a strong ... something .... if GZ would get too far.
For now, why waste money when others may ice the project for their reasons instead?
Quote from: Rincewind1;718522Someone who speaks Spanish should perhaps warn people what hijinks are going on here? Also, GW not suing for breach of trademark is the biggest shocker to me. I thought they had a script for that already.
Gamezone has been calling the drtractors on BGG, The HQ forums and certain vocal opponents in Spain, trolls and placing blame on the failure of the Verkami on them.
GW in this case oddly now has no investment unless GZ screws up. They removed all the Warhammer refferences and so all they have to contend with is Hasbro. Of course GW could still act. But thats iffy at this stage.
Hasbro so far hasnt acted either. So far. And no one has heard from Baker.
Did Hasbro sue Joe Bloch for calling his retro clone AD&D?
Ditto for the producers of Gygax magazine, who use the TSR name.
If companies let their trademarks lapse, it's fair game.
If Gamezone actually had the trademark in Spain, that should be good enough
Quote from: JeremyR;718733Did Hasbro sue Joe Bloch for calling his retro clone AD&D?
Ditto for the producers of Gygax magazine, who use the TSR name.
If companies let their trademarks lapse, it's fair game.
If Gamezone actually had the trademark in Spain, that should be good enough
1: Did WOTC?
2: They registered it as its been let slip by WOTC.
3: In this case it seems Hasbro let it go as it was problematic from what I've been told. Not sure on that bit honestly as havent heard from Baker yet. More likely once MD got the TM in the US they stopped caring. We likely will never know.
4: GZ has the right to the name Heroquest. They dont have the rights to the board game and they should not be calling their game a 25th anniversary and then not even crediting the original designer.
In the end GZ keeps doing questionable things that undermine their veracity. They have the rights, they dont have the rights.T
hey talked to Hasbro, they didnt talk to Hasbro, they dont need to talk to Hasbro.
It is a remake, it is a update, it is a totally new game.
etc.
Self undermining.
Quote from: JeremyR;718733Did Hasbro sue Joe Bloch for calling his retro clone AD&D?
Ditto for the producers of Gygax magazine, who use the TSR name.
If companies let their trademarks lapse, it's fair game.
If Gamezone actually had the trademark in Spain, that should be good enough
GW is not known for being fair or rational in their rabid litigiousy
Quote from: JeremyR;718733Ditto for the producers of Gygax magazine, who use the TSR name.
Actually, the TSR trademark was claimed 100% legally, as such.
My question would be why use the TSR name at all, unless you are doing it for purely nostalgic reasons?
Quote from: Endless Flight;719742purely nostalgic reasons?
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