Quote from: Zeea;751861More advanced jiggle physics. The Wii U was going to have an entire extra processor devoted to it, but then a fourteen-year-old made a wicked Tumblr post lambasting it and they had to lay off the entire jiggle physics department.

My God... you monsters! :mad: That 14 year old must. be. shunned! :hand:

Quote from: Zeea;751861More advanced jiggle physics. The Wii U was going to have an entire extra processor devoted to it, but then a fourteen-year-old made a wicked Tumblr post lambasting it and they had to lay off the entire jiggle physics department.

You know, that's a damn good point. If we assume that this universe is a simulation - and there's no reason not to - whoever designed it was fucking obsessed with their "soft object" physics algorithms.

Quote from: Adric;751820This sounds a lot like someone complaining that the existing power structure is changing and they don't like it, and then some claims about whether some individuals I've never heard of should be listened to.

Why did you write cards that specifically target real demographics (both marginalized ones and otherwise) as opposed to absurd, fictional ones or the behaviors you wished to satirize?

It seems in your posts about your game, the behavior you take umbrage at is people misappropriating identities or a sense of oppression, but the mechanics of your game actually mimic people calling each other names, before 'true identities' are revealed.

It's not about the existing power structure changing so much. That's incidental. Censorship has always been an issue and continues to be an issue under many power structures. As SJW influence becomes ascendant they're using their power in the same abusive manner as previous power structures have used blasphemy laws, anti-defamation laws, the UKs moronic libel laws and religious morality in order to censor.

The behaviour being satirised is the oppression olympics and the co-opting of real problems for point scoring. You can see this exact thing now happening in critical threads where they have descending into that exact behaviour. Without using the real issues there wouldn't have been as much bite to it. Many of the cards also make fun of other stereotypes and issues that people genuinely hold.

EG: The brown person card mocks several things at once. The (presumed) tendency of people to be unable to tell different races apart, people using racial identity as a bludgeon and that what's (presumably) a disadvantage elsewhere in life is an advantage in online 'debate'.

I no more hold the views on the cards (when views are expressed) than I hold the view that tiny evil grave-robbing pixies live in the walls of your house (Blood!) or that there are Nazi airships ('45) or that the UK has been swallowed up by a phantasmic cloud (ImagiNation).

And with that, I'm done. For reals this time. If people want to ask me more about this or any of the other BS that's being dredged up they can contact me privately.

Quote from: GRIM;751888The behaviour being satirised is the oppression olympics and the co-opting of real problems for point scoring. You can see this exact thing now happening in critical threads where they have descending into that exact behaviour. Without using the real issues there wouldn't have been as much bite to it. Many of the cards also make fun of other stereotypes and issues that people genuinely hold.



And with that, I'm done. For reals this time. If people want to ask me more about this or any of the other BS that's being dredged up they can contact me privately.

I know you may not reply here, but I do want to comment on something you said.

You spoke of people co-opting real problems to score points, of misappropriating causes to validate your position on the internet.  Some might say that by announcing you will donate some if your orofits to a certain trending charity, you are trying to buy goodwill for a product that is generating ill will, and trying to buy the "high ground" in a conflict.

Donating to a charity is great, promoting a charity is great, but it comes off that you're using a charity based on a tragedy to promote your game.  Coupled with your above statement you seem to be displaying the very behaviour you're condemning.

Damn you.

What I was trying to do was to recognise that people took it the wrong way and got upset (not just the people it was aimed at) and to redress the balance somewhat by giving to a good cause that I would hope we could all agree on.

Quote from: GRIM;751888EG: The brown person card mocks several things at once. The (presumed) tendency of people to be unable to tell different races apart, people using racial identity as a bludgeon and that what's (presumably) a disadvantage elsewhere in life is an advantage in online 'debate'.

See this is where the parody argument falls apart horribly and you aren't seeing the racist drek for what it is.  It god dam happens on a regular basis.  Its not satire.  Its you trying to posit a racist position as satire.

Quote from: GRIM;751888And with that, I'm done. For reals this time.

This only works if you then stop reading the thread.

I have to admit i encounter so much daily outrage online over something someone or some company did, said, released, tweeted, etc that it all sounds like white noise at this point to me. Alot of times it just feels like folks are trying to appear holier than thou or more in the know. It really seems to be overtaking some of the gaming and geek discussions. It is like there is this commitee that decides when its okay to laugh or enjoy something, when it is oppressive or crosses the line. I get that some things are genuinely offensive but usually the rage seems directed at things that are bad in a certain light. Not a comment on this product in particular. Don't know enough about its content.

I don't really want to get involved in a protracted discussion on the topic though so I will bow out having given my two cents.

Quote from: technoextreme;751924See this is where the parody argument falls apart horribly and you aren't seeing the racist drek for what it is.  It god dam happens on a regular basis.  Its not satire.  Its you trying to posit a racist position as satire.

... and this is where I have to say, disagree.

Not that racist drek doesn't happen all the time, it does, but this is a case o the context in which you judge what is/isn't "satire."

*I* am the person that the card is aimed at. I am the brown-card (or really yellowish card). I, and several other people, of whom I've shown this trainwreck "debate" to, anecdotally find it amusing. Here's the peculiar thing - I showed the "Brown Card" to seven people. Two of them were white (one being my wife),  and one  "didn't get it", and didn't find it funny. The one person identifies herself as very liberal. My wife was meh.

The rest - Asians, blacks, hispanics - all got a chuckle. We weren't laughing our asses off, but we understood the sentiment. Again this is anecdotal, but worth mentioning since it seems at least virtually, that minorities that seem to be represented by SJW's aren't proclaiming their relative ethnicities.

See, something that SJW's don't understand (among them 'satire' and 'parody') is 'racism'. Racism isn't about 'satire' or even discriminiation. It's about the emotional desire to DO those things in a specific manner. What I find disturbingly common is how loosely the term 'racism' is used in place of 'prejudice'. I'm not splitting hairs here. There are LIFE and DEATH differences.

There most certainly ARE people that are victims of real racism - but the SJW's in the Big Purple are certainly not doing *anyone* that experiences that kind of racism vs. what is really just ignorant prejudice, any favors.

As has been pointed out here: it reveals more about the SJW's themselves who are so strident and self-righteous in their "defense" of the apparent defenseless, they remove all capacity to have *any* kind of say in the matter.

And this is no different than being an ignorant asshole that causes as much damage because they're acting off of their own emotional outrage at themselves. But instead, they take it out on others enmasse like a bunch of fucking fascist douchebags.

You're not saving minorities by trying to squash someone's ethnic satire. You're not going to stamp out idiocy by banning words or thoughts - even bad ones. It's not better to override a persons capacity to choose what kind of information they can process for themselves - based on your emotional views of the world that *might not even be relevant*. Sorry, but generally<--- see that) if you're white, you're never going to "get" what being a black/hispanic/asian/martian is like in a predominantly white culture. That's not racist, that's just reality.

Those "differences" can be so preciously minute, that mature adults can indeed ignore them.

And MOST do. But nothing draws attention to those differences like an asshole starting a riot in order to shelter the world from that perceived acknowledgement of those differences, ESPECIALLY in satire.

At which point you might just have to back off and admit "you don't get it." - that's not a bad position. There's lots of things we as a species and as individuals "don't get". I don't get opera, yet I listen and play classical music. I can appreciate the differences though, but it's not my thing.

I don't get the attraction that gay men have for other men. But I can appreciate the fact that whatever it is they feel for one another must be *EXACTLY* what I feel for women. I can get that. But I will never pretend to know what it's like to be a gay man, even though some of my best friends are gay and I love them like brothers and I get a peek into their lives on very emotionally intimate levels. But that's as far as I can get. Just like they don't know what it's like to be in my interracial marriage where my in-laws hated me because I wasn't Christian and white. I guess they could have an interracial husband - but it still wouldn't be exactly the same. But you should understand the meaning...

 (re-edit- and if you don't, it means: you can gain by proximity an acceptance that goes beyond the ridiculous differences that *don't matter*. Conversely proximity without the ability or desire to understand can make those differences become emotional responses, SJW's call them "triggers" ugh, and by acting on them you deny those very people involved the ability to decide.)

SJW's dwell on the circumstances of differences that usually *don't* matter but only to the SJW's themselves. Or they have some other underlying motive to make an issue out of it.

Tenbones that reminds me of a blog post in Pundit's blog.

Wil Wheaton said that something something was his totem animal.  A SJW said that was racist and he should apologize.  So Wil did and gave his reason why he said it.  The SJW then said it wasn't good enough and it is problematic.  So she makes a big fuss about it.  Wil polite called out on that bullshit.

The main point is in another tumblr thread in which Pundit provided a link to has a actual native american.  She had no issue at all with the Wil using the totem animal.  In fact she was quite angry at the SJW and said that all SJWs should just get run over.

Quote from: Snowman0147;752011Tenbones that reminds me of a blog post in Pundit's blog.

Wil Wheaton said that something something was his totem animal.  A SJW said that was racist and he should apologize.  So Wil did and gave his reason why he said it.  The SJW then said it wasn't good enough and it is problematic.  So she makes a big fuss about it.  Wil polite called out on that bullshit.

The main point is in another tumblr thread in which Pundit provided a link to has a actual native american.  She had no issue at all with the Wil using the totem animal.  In fact she was quite angry at the SJW and said that all SJWs should just get run over.

To paraphrase a quote I've seen somewhere else on Indian clothes customs:

"Native American culture survived Trail of Tears. I'm pretty sure it won't be destroyed by some white guy getting a tribal tattoo of his totem animal."

Quote from: Snowman0147;752011Tenbones that reminds me of a blog post in Pundit's blog.

Wil Wheaton said that something something was his totem animal.  A SJW said that was racist and he should apologize.  So Wil did and gave his reason why he said it.  The SJW then said it wasn't good enough and it is problematic.

The Internet social Justice movement has completely spoiled that word for me. I practically break out in hives when I read it these days.

yeah when I originally posted that above... I was going to start citing examples of real racism I've experienced either first-hand or been witness to happening to others.

living for 25 years in Los Angeles (as I'm 100% sure anyone here living in any major city like it) will have stories to tell.

And frankly, I deleted it all because to SJW's it won't matter because they don't understand their own emotions are completely clouding the real issue. The hard part is that the very actions they pat themselves on the back for "championing" (ironically in a total passive and slacktivist manner usually) does nothing but become fuel for the idiots that *do* conflate racism with their entitlement.

It's one big circlejerk.

Quote from: Nexus;752022The Internet social Justice movement has completely spoiled that word for me. I practically break out in hives when I read it these days.

The "trigger-word" for me now is "trigger".


FUCKING UGH.

I think Key and Peele did it better.