Quote from: Brad on August 08, 2023, 05:14:49 PM

Quote from: Psyckosama on August 08, 2023, 02:23:53 PM
Imagine supporting murder, worshiping demons, and genocide in video games.

Do people support those things? Or do they exist in games and are treated as bad/wrong/evil? Just curious.

So, just like this shapeshifted bear sex scene? Only this one is a single toss away scene in a side quest in one game, while all that other stuff is standard, and actually a key part of the story/action in some games.

In the GTA and the Saints Row series you get to steal people's cars then run them over and everyone else in the vicinity with it. And you even get rewarded for it. Granted, the cops may come after you as well, but that's part of the fun with those games.

Forget BG3, there's a game where one of the characters (he's like a god) turns into various animals and rapes mortal women. There's also an entire animal-like race that is basically nothing more than a gang of drunken sex criminals who frequently engage in rape and bestiality. Also one of the kings in the game was born from a discarded cloth that wiped up the "mess" caused by a god who tried to rape his sister (a goddess). Worst of all, this game is played openly in many institutions of higher learning!!!!

Oh wait, I messed up. It's not a game, it's the mythology of ancient Greece, the birthplace of western culture. Greek mythology is also a big donor to D&D and other games.

I get that some of you don't like to see a favourite game series degenerate into unrecognizable territory, but a druid bear having gay sex with a vampire is not worthy of all the pearl clutching that's going on here.

I've always argued that topics like slavery, racism, sexism, etc. are fine in RPGs because these topics are part of history, RPGs have historical antecedents, and it's just a game anyway. By the same token, weird sex stuff should be fine in RPGs because this topic is part of mythology, RPGs have mythological antecedents, and it's just a game anyway.

Now, if you don't want that in your RPG, then don't play BG3. Screeds about how this is the most degenerate thing ever is just moral cherry picking (unless y'all are only playing DragonRaid or something).

So if I murder a prostitute after having sex with her to get my money back in GTA, is that morally permissible because it's in the game? Is the bestiality in BG3 okay because people in real life have sexual fetishes for animals? Not quite sure I understand the logic here. If you are playing a historical game and buy slaves, does that mean slavery is okay since you're engaging in the behavior virtually?

The Greek gods are considered petty psychopathic rapists and mass murderers by modern audiences who read the original uncensored writing.

I'll also observe that the so-called rationalists here who are arguing with all their fully-erect might for beastiality, necrophilia, and every other deranged and disgusting behavior ("In fiction! - Only in fiction!") don't seem to have any problem at all with game developers expending considerable effort on producing fringe-sexuality content in games.

I know from my own experience that Larian have spent millions of dollars on development of this type of content, rather than on better game mechanics, voice acting, storylines, and so on. Noted how little effort is spent on arguing for those, rather than for whatever this shit is.

Quote from: Brad on August 08, 2023, 08:21:58 PM
So if I murder a prostitute after having sex with her to get my money back in GTA, is that morally permissible because it's in the game? Is the bestiality in BG3 okay because people in real life have sexual fetishes for animals? Not quite sure I understand the logic here. If you are playing a historical game and buy slaves, does that mean slavery is okay since you're engaging in the behavior virtually?

I'm not sure I follow you. The logic is simple: the real player and the imaginary character are different.

Have you never played a character whose morality is different from your own?

Quote from: Zelen on August 08, 2023, 08:56:41 PM
I'll also observe that the so-called rationalists here who are arguing with all their fully-erect might for beastiality, necrophilia, and every other deranged and disgusting behavior ("In fiction! - Only in fiction!") don't seem to have any problem at all with game developers expending considerable effort on producing fringe-sexuality content in games.

I know from my own experience that Larian have spent millions of dollars on development of this type of content, rather than on better game mechanics, voice acting, storylines, and so on. Noted how little effort is spent on arguing for those, rather than for whatever this shit is.

The voice acting, CGI videos, graphics, all rival any AAA game that has been released. This is a GOTY contender and reminiscint of the old BG games and very much like a Bioware game of old. I'm through Act I and it's a fun game overall and looking forward to more.

The 'Furry Controversy' is a concern for some but for those of us that grew up with KOTR and Mass Effect, two franchises you could bang aliens (OMG NON-HUMAN SEX0r?!?!) not a goddamn eyebrow was raised and 0 fucks were given. You can choose to engage with sexy times or ignore it, your call.

The tens of thousands of dollars they spent on a side quest , and the 10min of total dialogue and Voice Acting, for you to bang a grizzly is pittance compared to the opening scene of the Illithid nautalus ship being blasted to bits by red dragons.   

Mt Everest out of an ant hill.  Go yell at clouds FFS.

Quote from: Zelen on August 08, 2023, 08:56:41 PM
I'll also observe that the so-called rationalists here who are arguing with all their fully-erect might for beastiality, necrophilia, and every other deranged and disgusting behavior ("In fiction! - Only in fiction!") don't seem to have any problem at all with game developers expending considerable effort on producing fringe-sexuality content in games.

I know from my own experience that Larian have spent millions of dollars on development of this type of content, rather than on better game mechanics, voice acting, storylines, and so on. Noted how little effort is spent on arguing for those, rather than for whatever this shit is.

Yeah, so in a free market with free speech, people can make and sell things that you and I might not like. The woke often bleat on and on about how this is not right and how things should be controlled to ensure that no one is offended.

Quote from: rytrasmi on August 08, 2023, 09:11:36 PM
Yeah, so in a free market with free speech, people can make and sell things that you and I might not like. The woke often bleat on and on about how this is not right and how things should be controlled to ensure that no one is offended.

I find the difference between the far right and the far left is normally just the key words. The rhetoric is fucking identical.

Most of these moral guardian fucks are just SJWs who've traded their LGQT+ pins for MAGA hats.

Quote from: Zelen on August 08, 2023, 08:56:41 PM
I'll also observe that the so-called rationalists here who are arguing with all their fully-erect might for beastiality, necrophilia, and every other deranged and disgusting behavior ("In fiction! - Only in fiction!") don't seem to have any problem at all with game developers expending considerable effort on producing fringe-sexuality content in games.

You sound like a 1990s church mom having a psychotic break about Doom and Mortal Kombat.

"These games are going to turn Little Timmy into a murderous satan worshiper who rips out peoples' hearts! BAAAHHHAAA!"

Freedom of Speech cuts both ways. You get to say what you want, other people get to say what they want. And if what they want is to do a cringe ass Bear Druid on Elf Vampire sex scene for shits and giggles, well, that's how this Freedom of Speech thing works. Because once you get the censorship ball rolling, eventually someone else is going to turn it against you.

So how about you stop clutching your pearls and learn to adult.

QuoteI know from my own experience that Larian have spent millions of dollars on development of this type of content, rather than on better game mechanics, voice acting, storylines, and so on. Noted how little effort is spent on arguing for those, rather than for whatever this shit is.

Animating a scene like that doesn't cost millions.

And considering the fact they have basically every RPG studio screaming in terror like an Alderani civilian and claiming it's not fair to use BG3 as a standard of RPG production quality, I'll go so far as to say BG3 is plenty fine in the game mechanics, storylines, and voice acting department.

*snickers*

Be a shame if someone were to alert you ladies to the existence of Subverse. Your heads would probably explode. 

Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 08, 2023, 09:03:56 PM

Mt Everest out of an ant hill.  Go yell at clouds FFS.

But how else will the Social Regression Warriors here be able to justify their existences if they have nothing to complain about?

Quote from: Brad on August 08, 2023, 08:21:58 PMIf you are playing a historical game and buy slaves, does that mean slavery is okay since you're engaging in the behavior virtually?

No, but it does mean that YOU personally are 100% OK with slavery and are dying to engage in human trafficking IRL, because you once did it in a virtual environment while playing a fictional character that's not you in a game, according to the people hyperventilating about a shapeshifted bear sex scene here.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 08, 2023, 09:41:51 PM
No, but it does mean that YOU personally are 100% OK with slavery and are dying to engage in human trafficking IRL, because you once did it in a virtual environment while playing a fictional character that's not you in a game, according to the people hyperventilating about a shapeshifted bear sex scene here.

*looks at his copy Mount and Blade*

Hans, am I the baddie?

Quote from: Psyckosama on August 08, 2023, 09:45:21 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 08, 2023, 09:41:51 PM
No, but it does mean that YOU personally are 100% OK with slavery and are dying to engage in human trafficking IRL, because you once did it in a virtual environment while playing a fictional character that's not you in a game, according to the people hyperventilating about a shapeshifted bear sex scene here.

*looks at his copy Mount and Blade*

Hans, am I the baddie?

LOL.

I think I'll play a thief this campaign.

Thou shalt not steal!

Oh, yeah. I guess I could play a paladin...again.

Quote from: Psyckosama on August 08, 2023, 09:17:49 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on August 08, 2023, 09:11:36 PM
Yeah, so in a free market with free speech, people can make and sell things that you and I might not like. The woke often bleat on and on about how this is not right and how things should be controlled to ensure that no one is offended.

I find the difference between the far right and the far left is normally just the key words. The rhetoric is fucking identical.

Most of these moral guardian fucks are just SJWs who've traded their LGQT+ pins for MAGA hats.

The main difference between the so-called "left" and the "right" is that one of them gets propped up, defended, lionized and excused by the lamestream media, and the other one gets the complete polar opposite treatment while being silenced, censored and misrepresented. So the one that gets propped up gets to have their way and do what they want out in the open, while the other one is suppressed and forced to pay lip service to "free speech" cuz they actually need it right now. But if the "right" were the ones being propped up, they'd be the same, only pushing conservative flavored tyranny.

Quote from: rytrasmi on August 08, 2023, 09:11:36 PM

Quote from: Zelen on August 08, 2023, 08:56:41 PM
I'll also observe that the so-called rationalists here who are arguing with all their fully-erect might for beastiality, necrophilia, and every other deranged and disgusting behavior ("In fiction! - Only in fiction!") don't seem to have any problem at all with game developers expending considerable effort on producing fringe-sexuality content in games.

I know from my own experience that Larian have spent millions of dollars on development of this type of content, rather than on better game mechanics, voice acting, storylines, and so on. Noted how little effort is spent on arguing for those, rather than for whatever this shit is.

Yeah, so in a free market with free speech, people can make and sell things that you and I might not like. The woke often bleat on and on about how this is not right and how things should be controlled to ensure that no one is offended.

Yeah, so in a free society we get to criticize what we consider degenerate bullshit and vote with our dollar not buying such degenerate content, but apparently informing others that the game is full of degenerate filth is akin to killoing babies or something from the reactions of the enlightened centrists tm around here.

Quote from: rytrasmi on August 08, 2023, 09:50:17 PM
I think I'll play a thief this campaign.

Thou shalt not steal!

Oh, yeah. I guess I could play a paladin...again.

Funny story, a friend of mine once unwittingly joined an online game entirely populated by off-duty cops. They were not enthusiastic about his thief character...