The day Pundit bans someone for anything related to HIS personality or opinions is the day the site dies. Simple as that. He can wave whatever he wants around and scream whatever he likes, but the day he crosses the line that everyone knows is there, kablooie.

And yea, his personality sucks raw eggs. If he'd stop screaming and just talk, sometimes, I imagine people's opinion of him would change a bit. Not all of us like having a conversation with the drill sargent from "Full Metal Jacket" screaming in our face constantly.

Quote from: Brimshack2) I think the issue here is at least partly one of rhetoric. Since you have made public statements to the effect that free speech is an absolute value here, any instance of banning, topic banning, or editing, etc. is inconsistent with that message. Whether or not this is the least moderated board in the hobby doesn't matter; if you've made categorical statements to the effect that free speech will not be interfered with, then even reasonable actions will fail to match that standard. There are of course at least 2 ways to resolve any inconsistency. One would be to allow any and all statements to go without interferenace. Another would be to  reconsider your statement on the subject. Perhaps a frank statement to the effect that certain kinds of speech will be moderated would be in order.

Yeah, except that what I said from the beginning was that Free Speech would be absolutely valued here, but disruption of the site itself would not be tolerated.  I NEVER promised that no one would ever be banned, in fact I've said multiple times since the very beginning of this site that I am fairly certain that sooner or later someone will get banned. My certainty of this is because I knew that one or more people who want nothing good for this site would try to hide behind "free speech" as a way to do things that actually disrupted or endangered the functioning of this site itself, and I wanted to be perfectly clear from the beginning that this would not be allowed. Neither will cyber-stalking; as in direct and repeated personal attacks on someone that include threadcrapping and non-topical posts made only to annoy.  I can think of several posters who could be considered to be doing that very thing to me right now, but have been excessively lenient of that against my person in particular just to make sure that Free Speech was given as much leeway as possible.

In other words, this site's practice of free speech doesn't mean that posters should be allowed to do things to harm the site (ie. "yelling fire in a crowded theatre"), or be repeatedly and consistently abusive of other posters just because; not even against me.

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Quote from: David R*shrug* Nothing much to add...oh, except that d20 poll must hurt, right?

Regards,
David R

Not really, though it did surprise me.

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Quote from: JamesVIf someone gets chased out by a snarky mob, that can be pretty shitty, but it's not the same thing as someone who actually has the power to prevent someone from logging in.

Yes, but my point is that I HAVEN'T DONE THAT: Not to anyone, not even to Nox, who half this site wanted lynched, and who hates me personally.

And the way some of my detractors are talking, it would sound like I have a pile of corpses of the banned under my skull-throne as the evil-mod King.

When its just not true, and I don't think that any of my loudest detractors would be more capable of defending the rights of people they dislike than I have been; most would in fact be far far worse at it.

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Quote from: WerekoalaMy point is, it dosn't feel to ME like the board is BEING "run" by anyone. He's just another sometimes interesting, sometimes annoying poster, near as I can tell.

And THAT tells me I'm doing it right.
Now if only more people would realize the implications of what that means in regard to how good the moderation of this site really is, in all humility.

Anyways, thanks, Werekoala.

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Quote from: RPGPunditAnd EVERY FUCKING DAY I put up with the usual suspects, attacking and insulting me at every turn on this forum. Whatever I post, the usual bunch are there, insulting and lying about me.

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I wanted to cover this part right here.

Pundit, is it people attacking you for no reason insulting you, etc or is it people who disagree with what you saying calling bullshit?

I am serious about this.  

Quote from: RPGPunditDo any of you really believe that JArcane or James McMurray or Jimbob would be better admins who would value and defend free speech like I have, who would put up with the abuse I put up with every fucking day, and wouldn't just have gone on a fucking banning-spree by now?

Dude, being an Admin part of the job is taking crap and not having users agree with you.  Happens on all forums.  Look at all the crap the rpg.net admins take.

If you want to be an admin of a forum you have to take the good and the bad

Quote from: SeanchaiPersonally, I think you should do two things:

1. Make the following part of a sticky, the rules, etc.: "fighting and arguing with me: won't get you in trouble. trying to harm the site or part of the site itself just to get back at me: will get you in trouble."

2. Care less. People are going to bitch and moan. You only get to control your response to it. You can run around trying to defend yourself against every allegation of censorship or you can be happy.

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That's certainly good advice, Seanchai.  And thank you, by the way, for the various occasions you have stood up for my administration. I appreciate it.

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Quote from: Sacrificial LambPundit, you're doing fine. But you need to lighten up a bit, and develop a thicker skin. People will give you shit. So what? It comes with being a mod. Just chill out and relax a bit more; you'll feel better. :keke:

I think I have a pretty thick skin... it took nine months of constant abuse hurled at me by multiple people before I even started a thread complaining about it.  

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Quote from: RPGPunditSo here's my deal: are you happy with what I've been doing as Admin here?

Absolutely.  You do very little, and that's just how I like it.

It saddens me on your behalf that "doing very little" (to hear you tell it) seems to require an act of monumental self-restraint that exhausts and frustrates you.

You'd get the same results by just being lazy and not giving a fig what people think of you ... and it seems like it would cost you much less effort.

Quote from: J ArcaneI mean come on people.  Pry your lips off Pundit's ass for a second and ask yourself how you'd respond if the moderator of any other fucking board on the planet behaved the same way.  

I do give a shit where this site is going, and right now the biggest threat to the "free speech" this site claimed to be about when I signed on, is the man upstairs waving the banhammer around pretty frivolously, waiting only for the moment when his paranoia and insanity overcome his pride and he really starts backing this shit up.  

What utter bullshit, J Arcane, as usual.

If you had acted toward any mod on any other site the way you have towards me every fucking day, you wouldn't be there anymore.
You are living breathing posting proof of my level of tolerance in the name of free speech.

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Quote from: RPGPunditWhat utter bullshit, J Arcane, as usual.

If you had acted toward any mod on any other site the way you have towards me every fucking day, you wouldn't be there anymore.
You are living breathing posting proof of my level of tolerance in the name of free speech.

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Ahh yes, the "You should be happy I haven't banned you yet" defense.

Rings pretty hollow after your shit with James.  But I suppose he's just supposed to be happy that that mysterious "other admin" didn't get his way and ban him completely right?

You're full of shit and you know it.  I don't even believe this "other admin" even exists, and even if he does we all know who wields the banstick around here anyway, don't we?

Quote from: RPGPunditWHEN IN FACT, ITS THE LEAST-MODERATED BOARD OF ITS SIZE IN THE ENTIRE HOBBY.

Do you count Bulldrek and AnimalBall as part of the Hobby. Both have far less moderation than this board. But I realize you may think of them as more general interest sites and less hobby devoted than this site. And to be fair, that might be a fair assessment.

QuoteSo here's my deal: are you happy with what I've been doing as Admin here?

I think you do an overall good job. Obviously no one can please everyone all the time. Nor should they have to.

QuoteDo you think that those who are attacking me are the ones who really have theRPGsite's and free speech's best interests at heart? Or is it me who does?

This is a trick question. It assumes we all see the situation like you do. What you see as an attack I see as internet disagreements. My definition of censorship obviously differs from your own.

QuoteDo any of you really believe that JArcane or James McMurray or Jimbob would be better admins who would value and defend free speech like I have, who would put up with the abuse I put up with every fucking day, and wouldn't just have gone on a fucking banning-spree by now?

I have no idea. I don't know any of them. But then I also don't particularly see you as a champion of free expression, or free speech.

QuoteHere's your chance to convince me that there are still people on this site who support what I'm fighting for. Otherwise, what the fuck is the point of me carrying on with it?

Well no one will be looking for the exact same thing you are, otherwise they'd all be you. We'll all differs lightly. While this post is certainly filled with all sorts of emotion, it's pretty lacking in logic and reason.

But then you know that.

Quote from: J ArcanePundit is a moderator.  That means, by pure right of his position, that his behavior is going to come down as if from an authority position.

That's a pretty narrow view. I am friends with the moderators of several boards, and they don't run their show like that. (Well the DSF people do, but that's another story, and I'm perma-banned from there anyways.)

QuoteEven more so on a board where the primary method of moderation is simply through puplic admonishment.

Is it?

Quote... ask yourself how you'd respond if the moderator of any other fucking board on the planet behaved the same way.

You've obviously never been to Bulldrek or AnimalBall.  You should check them out.

Why don't you go back to your precious Animalball?  Because right now you DO seem to be a prime example of someone who's only here to disrupt, since you've only shown up and started posting again to ride this latest flap, and haven't even showed your face around here for weeks prior.  

I, on the other hand, like to talk about games.  You do remember games don't you?  I mean, I've seen the topic and post numbers over there, they clearly dont' talk about them much, but they haven't totally forgotten them altogether, have they?

Quote from: J ArcaneBut I suppose he's just supposed to be happy that that mysterious "other admin" didn't get his way and ban him completely right?

You're full of shit and you know it.  I don't even believe this "other admin" even exists, and even if he does we all know who wields the banstick around here anyway, don't we?

The other admin exists.  I don't consider it fair to out others, but Pundit and I weren't the only two admins discussing this situation in the Double Secret Admin Clubhouse.  And back in December when James and Pundit went at it yet a fourth admin called for his outright banning back then.  So there you have it.  We all know who wields the banstick and two times he had people urging him to use it on James.  Yet James didn't get banned.