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What a bunch of fucking morons....

Started by Dominus Nox, January 11, 2007, 03:42:36 AM

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RPGObjects_chuck

#15
January 11, 2007, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: JimBobOzAs far as I've seen, you were not called racist. It was said that the 1st ID guide to Iraq was racist, and its ignorance and wrongness were a good explanation for the miserable mess in Iraq. At no time did anyone say, "Chuck, if you believe that shit you're racist."

It's always best to respond to what people actually say, not what you think they're saying, or the elaborate confused concoction of different poster's comments which you brew up and then respond to.

Again, I really didn't want to derail Nox's post about himself... but...

QuoteAs Chevy Chase might say:

"RPGObjects_chuck, you ignorant slut..."

Here's some actual informed reading on the racist, xenophobic, anti-intellectual source material used in compiling your precious "1st infantry" propaganda handbook. I hope to God your bigot ass chokes to death on it, a circumstance under which I would be more than happy to close my heart to pity.

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/fea...ind/index.html

It's real hard to miss the intent there.

He also called T-Willard a bigot a couple posts later, for the crime of defending me and the 1st ID handbook.

I don't think I misread anything.

Kyle Aaron

#16
January 11, 2007, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: RPGObjects_chuckIt's real hard to miss the intent there.

He also called T-Willard a bigot a couple posts later, for the crime of defending me and the 1st ID handbook.

I don't think I misread anything.
That's fair. But you missed the "=so-and-so" on the quote tag. Who said that?

Whoever said that to you, he's a cocksmock, and wrong. If you read the 1st ID handbook to learn about Arabs, then plainly you are a drongo, and should choose your sources better. But it's not evidence of racism.

Whereas Dominus Nox's incoherent rants are evidence of racism. Also of too much time living amongst empty pizza boxes and Mountain Dew bottles, stinking up his parents' basement.
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RPGObjects_chuck

#17
January 11, 2007, 08:03:01 PM
It was Yamo who said it and yeah, he's an asshole.

And no, I didn't read the 1st ID handbook to learn about Arab culture, but I did think it made some good points about why we seem to be consistently caught flat-footed over there.

My actual point at the time (badly stated I admit) was that had we actually listened to the Army's foreign area officers who specialized in the middle east, rather than cashiering them all from the service for unpopular opinions, that we'd be doing a lot better right now.

Samarkand

#18
January 11, 2007, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: JimBobOzlump all Moslem countries in together as being like Saudi Arabia with women locked up, being utterly ignorant of the fact that the position of women in Turkey - a Moslem country - is superior to the position of women in Portugal or Greece.

     Turkey is a secular republic whose military takes a famously dim view of the Islamic religion going any farther in the public sphere than private practise of the faith.  The tanks tend to roll whenever the general feel the advocates of political Islam are making any headway.  The position of women is Turkey is because of this often-ruthless suppression of Islam from the political sphere.

      I admit that Ataturk is one of the few dictators I can admire.  Pretty much the only one of the breed who actually left his country better off after he died.
 

PhishStyx

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January 12, 2007, 02:13:30 AM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaReally?  Because the only person I've seen level the exact accusation of "racist" at him (since I joined in October 2006) has been JimBobOz.

!i!

In fact, I did it yesterday (I think it was yesterday) in a different thread. When Nox says Muslim, he means brown people (and probably black people, too). Oh sure, he won't admit it; in fact, we see him vociferously denying his racism constantly on the basis that if he doesn't use the word "black" when he's talking about the brown people he hates, it MUST NOT be racism.  The key to not being labeled a racist is simply to avoid identifying the skin color of the people he's futilely hating. Right?
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January 12, 2007, 03:10:34 AM
Quote from: SamarkandTurkey is a secular republic whose military takes a famously dim view of the Islamic religion going any farther in the public sphere than private practise of the faith.  The tanks tend to roll whenever the general feel the advocates of political Islam are making any headway.  The position of women is Turkey is because of this often-ruthless suppression of Islam from the political sphere.

      I admit that Ataturk is one of the few dictators I can admire.  Pretty much the only one of the breed who actually left his country better off after he died.
My best friend and his wife spent a good 6 months in Turkey, and he said she took to covering her face whenever in public, because while the government may not be Sharia or anything, there's enough of the population who goes for that kind of attitude that she frankly didn't feel safe without it.

This was also, apparently, partly because while American, she's of half-Syria descent, and looks it too.  She said that more white looking visitors and tourists seemed to get treated quite normally.  

She looked like a local, and they expected her to go with the local customs.
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January 12, 2007, 05:46:04 PM
J, not to dismiss your freind's wife's feelings on the matter, but I have spent a fair amount of time with some Turkish women, and been there as well. In the urban areas of Turkey she would actually stand out more trying to wear the headscarf. In the poor rural regions, hardline islamic tradionalism is very common however.

A young woman of my aquaintence (my turkish language teacher, actually) shared her slideshows from her visits home to her family, including shots of her and her sisters who still lived there in nightclubs in little black dresses, beach scenes with women in revealing swimsuits. I'm not about to say it's a feminist paradise, but perhaps your friend's wife was overly paranoid?
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January 18, 2007, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: RPGObjects_chuckI dunno... I was called a racist several times for the crime of quoting and relying on as a valid source the 1st ID guide to Iraq and I'm pretty damn sure there was no KKK-defending pattern in my case.

I can't speak for others and you may well have a point, however for me it's not one post or one source.  We all make mistakes, we all have legitimate differences in view, if Yamo called you a racist I think that reflects more on him than you.

With Nox though as far as I'm concerned there is a consistent pattern, he's posted repeatedly in defence of the KKK or individuals arrested for race hate, he constantly brings up Islam in order to attack it, I honestly think based on his posting history that he is a racist.

Of course, I could be wrong, but it's not a conclusion I reach lightly.
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