Its kind of refreshing that two recent fantasy anime (Goblin Slayer and Frieren: Beyond Journey's End) fit perfectly in the classic D&D milieu where Alignment actually means something and monsters aren't simply poor, misunderstood and put upon minorities. The Goblins in Goblin Slayer are what Dungeons & Dragons Goblins were always supposed to be: murderous little bastards and the baby Goblins are just small versions of that same monster. As Goblin Slayer himself says in the first episode "A good goblin? I guess there might be one if you looked really hard. But in the end, the only good goblins are the ones who never come out of their holes."

The same can be said for the Demons of Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. Qual the Elder Sage of Destruction, Aura the Guillotine, Linie, Lügner and Draht are all absolute rat-bastards that are manipulative Evil monsters who prove that Demons in Frieren's world are irredeemable scum who will take advantage of human kindness, seeing it as weakness, to get what they want. And they will zealously and ruthlessly do anything to achieve their goals and that includes murder.

While neither of those settings is post-apocalyptic, like classic D&D was, I still think they're the closest thing to real D&D we'll get in entertainment form. They don't pull punches and they don't sugar coat what evil things monsters can do (Goblin Slayer especially, given how Goblins reproduce). 

The Demons in The New Gate are also thoroughly evil and feed on misery and suffering. They might talk to you friendly. But that is only because they think they can kill or torment you as they please.

I couldn't stomach goblin slayer when I tried watching it years ago. The first episode was revolting, framing the bodies of underage girls in a pornographic manner as they're brutalized, so I stopped watching. It's pure degeneracy, filth, and torture porn. Most anime is like that nowadays so I just write off the whole fucking medium rather than waste my time searching for anything worth watching in that ocean of shit.

Western video games nowadays are degenerate filth. Cyberpunk and Baldurs Gate let you customize your genitals and fuck bears. Yeah, no, fuck off with that furry fetish bullshit you sick fucks.

Western animation has become degenerate filth. It's polarized into two extremes. 1) Animation supposedly made for children, but whose creators are "queer" and secretly insert disgusting fetish and abusive bullshit into it (e.g. Stephen Universe, She-Ra, Twelve Forever). 2) Animation made for adults, which is just outright porn with delusions of grandeur (e.g. Hazbin Hotel, Critical Role, Lower Decks). Again, fuck off you sick fucks.

No shit that streaming views are overwhelmingly concentrated on stuff made before 2010.

The series got better after that sleezy start.  But yeah, the beginning was bad.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 18, 2024, 12:39:11 PM
I couldn't stomach goblin slayer when I tried watching it years ago. The first episode was revolting, framing the bodies of underage girls in a pornographic manner as they're brutalized, so I stopped watching. It's pure degeneracy, filth, and torture porn. Most anime is like that nowadays so I just write off the whole fucking medium rather than waste my time searching for anything worth watching in that ocean of shit.

Western video games nowadays are degenerate filth. Cyberpunk and Baldurs Gate let you customize your genitals and fuck bears. Yeah, no, fuck off with that furry fetish bullshit you sick fucks.

Western animation has become degenerate filth. It's polarized into two extremes. 1) Animation supposedly made for children, but whose creators are "queer" and secretly insert disgusting fetish and abusive bullshit into it (e.g. Stephen Universe, She-Ra, Twelve Forever). 2) Animation made for adults, which is just outright porn with delusions of grandeur (e.g. Hazbin Hotel, Critical Role, Lower Decks). Again, fuck off you sick fucks.

No shit that streaming views are overwhelmingly concentrated on stuff made before 2010.

You are indeed, a fragile flower.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 18, 2024, 12:39:11 PM
I couldn't stomach goblin slayer when I tried watching it years ago. The first episode was revolting, framing the bodies of underage girls in a pornographic manner as they're brutalized, so I stopped watching. It's pure degeneracy, filth, and torture porn. Most anime is like that nowadays so I just write off the whole fucking medium rather than waste my time searching for anything worth watching in that ocean of shit.

Western video games nowadays are degenerate filth. Cyberpunk and Baldurs Gate let you customize your genitals and fuck bears. Yeah, no, fuck off with that furry fetish bullshit you sick fucks.

Western animation has become degenerate filth. It's polarized into two extremes. 1) Animation supposedly made for children, but whose creators are "queer" and secretly insert disgusting fetish and abusive bullshit into it (e.g. Stephen Universe, She-Ra, Twelve Forever). 2) Animation made for adults, which is just outright porn with delusions of grandeur (e.g. Hazbin Hotel, Critical Role, Lower Decks). Again, fuck off you sick fucks.

No shit that streaming views are overwhelmingly concentrated on stuff made before 2010.

Quote from: zircher on March 18, 2024, 02:17:52 PM
The series got better after that sleezy start.  But yeah, the beginning was bad.

No it doesn't. I read summaries to spare myself the disgust of watching. The hero's girlfriend is defined by having boobs larger than her head (her name is literally "Cowgirl" because get it?), the hero (a grown man) has sex with a 14 year old girl (and he's unconscious at the time, so it's also rape, and she's pressured into it... jfc), his sister was stuffed in the fridge, the female cast are all shallow af and constantly threatened with rape... like, what the fuck?

I checked out the manga and, no surprise, it's a rape hentai.

Jesus H. Christ.

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You are indeed, a fragile flower.

It's called having taste and not being afraid to speak my mind. I'm not the one here defending rape hentai.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 19, 2024, 09:45:29 AM

Quote from: zircher on March 18, 2024, 02:17:52 PM
The series got better after that sleezy start.  But yeah, the beginning was bad.

No it doesn't. I read summaries to spare myself the disgust of watching. The hero's girlfriend is defined by having boobs larger than her head (her name is literally "Cowgirl" because get it?), the hero (a grown man) has sex with a 14 year old girl (and he's unconscious at the time, so it's also rape, and she's pressured into it... jfc), his sister was stuffed in the fridge, the female cast are all shallow af and constantly threatened with rape... like, what the fuck?

I checked out the manga and, no surprise, it's a rape hentai.

Jesus H. Christ.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 18, 2024, 08:49:24 PM


You are indeed, a fragile flower.

It's called having taste and not being afraid to speak my mind. I'm not the one here defending rape hentai.

You've got so many misconceptions about Goblin Slayer going on here, that I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. If you had actually watched the show, so that you could have an informed opinion, I'm betting that you wouldn't be making as much of a fool of yourself now. Really, can you virtue signal any harder?

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2024, 10:28:15 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 19, 2024, 09:45:29 AM

Quote from: zircher on March 18, 2024, 02:17:52 PM
The series got better after that sleezy start.  But yeah, the beginning was bad.

No it doesn't. I read summaries to spare myself the disgust of watching. The hero's girlfriend is defined by having boobs larger than her head (her name is literally "Cowgirl" because get it?), the hero (a grown man) has sex with a 14 year old girl (and he's unconscious at the time, so it's also rape, and she's pressured into it... jfc), his sister was stuffed in the fridge, the female cast are all shallow af and constantly threatened with rape... like, what the fuck?

I checked out the manga and, no surprise, it's a rape hentai.

Jesus H. Christ.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 18, 2024, 08:49:24 PM


You are indeed, a fragile flower.

It's called having taste and not being afraid to speak my mind. I'm not the one here defending rape hentai.

You've got so many misconceptions about Goblin Slayer going on here, that I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. If you had actually watched the show, so that you could have an informed opinion, I'm betting that you wouldn't be making as much of a fool of yourself now. Really, can you virtue signal any harder?

You call me a fragile flower, then you refuse to back up your words with argument, instead resorting to ad hominem attacks.

I apologize for my own ad hominem remark. It was stupid of me.

GS is still badly written torture porn. Watching more of it than I already have isn't going to change that.

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Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2024, 10:28:15 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 19, 2024, 09:45:29 AM

Quote from: zircher on March 18, 2024, 02:17:52 PM
The series got better after that sleezy start.  But yeah, the beginning was bad.

No it doesn't. I read summaries to spare myself the disgust of watching. The hero's girlfriend is defined by having boobs larger than her head (her name is literally "Cowgirl" because get it?), the hero (a grown man) has sex with a 14 year old girl (and he's unconscious at the time, so it's also rape, and she's pressured into it... jfc), his sister was stuffed in the fridge, the female cast are all shallow af and constantly threatened with rape... like, what the fuck?

I checked out the manga and, no surprise, it's a rape hentai.

Jesus H. Christ.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 18, 2024, 08:49:24 PM


You are indeed, a fragile flower.

It's called having taste and not being afraid to speak my mind. I'm not the one here defending rape hentai.

You've got so many misconceptions about Goblin Slayer going on here, that I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. If you had actually watched the show, so that you could have an informed opinion, I'm betting that you wouldn't be making as much of a fool of yourself now. Really, can you virtue signal any harder?

You call me a fragile flower, then you refuse to back up your words with argument, instead resorting to ad hominem attacks.

I apologize for my own ad hominem remark. It was stupid of me.

GS is still badly written torture porn. Watching more of it than I already have isn't going to change that.

Why argue with someone who is not going to listen? You are enjoying your self-righteous high from showing all who read this that by denouncing an anime (which you admit to have not completely watched) that you have the superior virtue. Good job! You go, girl! May your soapbox be made of the finest wood!

I'm going to order a pizza and do some typing.

I would listen to an actual argument, but all you're doing is throwing ad hominem attacks.

I haven't watched Freiren and have no intention to, but I heard it was caught up in a twitter row recently where people argued that it was bad writing to depict the demons as inherently evil... because it promotes that kind of thinking in real life? So I did research.

The way demons behave in Freiren is very different from how humans do. They're solitary beings that don't form societies among themselves. They rarely come together and then only to reproduce. Once offspring are self-sufficient, the parent simply abandons them. Thus far their behavior is the same as solitary animals like spiders and tigers. However, they do exhibit irrational sadism and will go out of their way to torment humans (before ultimately killing and eating their victims; there's no suggestion here that they rape) even if this would put them in harm's way. In real life dolphins behave the same way, so this isn't entirely unbelievable. Demons have a dominance hierarchy and seek power and wealth over others despite not actually being social animals. Again, similar to real life sociopaths. However, their arrogance and lack of empathy is a weakness because it renders them unable to mentally model the behavior of other species, so they continually get their asses handed to them despite their power elsewhere.

There's some indications in the manga that certain individual demons have transcended these limitations, but I haven't read far. I will say it actually invites critical thought and analysis.

The way Freiren herself is written is unusual. She doesn't exhibit the same emotional responses as humans do because of her long lifespan. When humans die, she barely bats an eye because she's used to them dropping like flies.

The way humans are written is unusual. Because of their short lives, they advance technologically quite rapidly. A demon lord released eighty years after imprisonment is quickly dispatched by the latest advancements in weapons technology, which he was unprepared for.

The writer seems to have put actual thought into stock fantasy cliches. If I wasn't burnt out on medieval fantasy, then I might actually want to watch this.

Saying "it's good because it has evil demons who go around killing" is such a shallow point of praise that ignores everything actually praiseworthy in the series.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 19, 2024, 09:45:29 AMNo it doesn't. I read summaries to spare myself the disgust of watching. The hero's girlfriend is defined by having boobs larger than her head (her name is literally "Cowgirl" because get it?)

She lives and works on a farm. She's not called Cowgirl cause of her boobs.

Quotethe hero (a grown man) has sex with a 14 year old girl (and he's unconscious at the time, so it's also rape, and she's pressured into it... jfc)

I don't know where the hell you got that idea, but Priestess and Goblin Slayer did NOT have sex. The Sword Maiden wasn't a virgin anymore and to resurrect him, she cast the spell using Priestess as the catalyst (who was and still IS a virgin). It literally entails 'sharing a bed', but that's it. There was no horizontal hokey-pokey going on.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 19, 2024, 09:45:29 AMNo it doesn't. I read summaries to spare myself the disgust of watching. The hero's girlfriend is defined by having boobs larger than her head (her name is literally "Cowgirl" because get it?)

She lives and works on a farm. She's not called Cowgirl cause of her boobs.

Quotethe hero (a grown man) has sex with a 14 year old girl (and he's unconscious at the time, so it's also rape, and she's pressured into it... jfc)

I don't know where the hell you got that idea, but Priestess and Goblin Slayer did NOT have sex. The Sword Maiden wasn't a virgin anymore and to resurrect him, she cast the spell using Priestess as the catalyst (who was and still IS a virgin). It literally entails 'sharing a bed', but that's it. There was no horizontal hokey-pokey going on.

Just an FYI, you are arguing with someone who is basing his opinions on Twitter exchanges and not on actually watching the anime.

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 19, 2024, 03:10:19 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 19, 2024, 09:45:29 AMNo it doesn't. I read summaries to spare myself the disgust of watching. The hero's girlfriend is defined by having boobs larger than her head (her name is literally "Cowgirl" because get it?)

She lives and works on a farm. She's not called Cowgirl cause of her boobs.

Ok. She's still named Cowgirl rather than a real name and she has no character outside being a love interest with boobs bigger than her head.

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Quotethe hero (a grown man) has sex with a 14 year old girl (and he's unconscious at the time, so it's also rape, and she's pressured into it... jfc)

I don't know where the hell you got that idea, but Priestess and Goblin Slayer did NOT have sex. The Sword Maiden wasn't a virgin anymore and to resurrect him, she cast the spell using Priestess as the catalyst (who was and still IS a virgin). It literally entails 'sharing a bed', but that's it. There was no horizontal hokey-pokey going on.

A 14 year old girl climbs naked into a bed with an unconscious naked man a decade or so her senior and spends the night in contact with him. Even if no literal coitus occurred, that's still creepy af.

Usually I don't care about this stuff, but the same people who defend Goblin Slayer attack Baldur's Gate for the gay vampire/bear fucking sequence. As if adopting the exact opposite stance from the woke (who attack Goblin Slayer for the rape but praise Baldur's Gate for the homosexuality, necrophilia and bestiality) is somehow any more reasonable. It's all equally degenerate.