From Free Speech to Religious Persecution in one fell swoop (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5807). Oh RPGSite, whither hast thou fallen?
Or more seriously, what is it about that thread that "isn't what we do here?" It had rondom bullshit, calling people names, and misunderstandings that lead to (in this case minor) feuds.
You can ask anyone. Those are the hallmarks of theRPGsite.
I know we don't avoid random bullshit.
I know we don't avoid personal attacks.
I know we don't avoid feuds.
What was the problem with that thread?
James,
its because .....
Oh never mind.
Stir this one on your own.
- Ed C.
I think the thing
Quote from: James McMurraythat "isn't what we do here"
is close threads.
That said, I've got no idea. I'm more curious why the fuck it was necro'd than why it was closed. And I
really don't give a shit why it was necro'd.
Ah, I misread it as:
QuoteThis isn't what we typically do around here, but so I'm going to close this one
.
Is Pundit so afraid of Nox coming back that he'll close a thread Nox can't even post to in order to make sure it doesn't happen? If so, why not just ban the guy instead of topic banning him?
Quote from: James McMurrayIs Pundit so afraid of Nox coming back that he'll close a thread Nox can't even post to in order to make sure it doesn't happen? If so, why not just ban the guy instead of topic banning him?
Total armchair psychic speculation?
it's a fear that Nox might have subscription on, and would receive updates as his thread is posted to, remember this place, and decide to stir up some shit because he's lonely.
you think it's speculation he's lonely?
It's a joke people...
Quote from: Christmas ApeTotal armchair psychic speculation?
it's a fear that Nox might have subscription on, and would receive updates as his thread is posted to, remember this place, and decide to stir up some shit because he's lonely.
Then why not ban the guy? Other than "that's not what we do here." Then again, closing random threads that aren't causing any problems, especially since everyone is told to restart the exact same conversation in another thread, also "isn't what we do here."
I feel like I'm spinning, and I see a drain down below. Why is that?
Of course I can't speak for Pundit (and he certainly doesn't need anyone to do so) but my guess is that despite the fact that it was a joke and didn't really have anything to do with Nox (or very little to do with him at least) the resurrected thread gave the appearance of being another Nox bashing thread and was likely to start another Nox-storm.
I can see the wisdom of not wanting to bring back Nox threads since things have been quiet on that front so that is what I figure the "Jinx" would be. And since, unlike a certain other site, Pundit didn't forbid any future bagel threads (admittedly while defaming bagel lovers at the same time :mad: ) I personally don't think my freedom of speech has been injured.
Okay, a bit off subject but did anybody catch that some poor rube on RPGnet has used the name Dominus Nox and has to put a disclaimer under his sig that he isn't "That other guy who got banned". Cracked me up when I saw that, I may go register as JimBob or dare I say even :pundit: Just kidding.
edit: beat me to it. damn I gotta type faster.
Quote from: James McMurrayThen why not ban the guy? Other than "that's not what we do here." Then again, closing random threads that aren't causing any problems, especially since everyone is told to restart the exact same conversation in another thread, also "isn't what we do here."
I feel like I'm spinning, and I see a drain down below. Why is that?
Because you're caught in a drama vortex?
James, you're an idiot.
The thing we "don't usually do here" is close threads. But I saw no reason to keep a thread about a guy who isn't even on here anymore going for no good reason, just to talk about Bagels. Start a new thread about Bagels if you're so fucking upset.
RPGPundit
You're several hours late in pointing out that I misread the sentence. In fact, it was me who beat you to it.
Thanks anyway. Loved the bile by the way. It made you look very manly.
I think closing any thread for any reason is an grievous violation of what the spirit of this place was supposed to be. I am not over reacting in the slightest here. In all of Bulldrek's years we have never banned a user or locked a thread with out a users express permission, and the community's consent.
I think that is the bar that this site should attempt to achieve. Anything less is just that, less than free.
Feel free to disagree with me, as I am only expressing my own opinions here. I claim to represent anyone other than just that: me, myself and I.
As an aside if I get enough users to agree with me that Someone here is a problem, can we then lobby for topics to be closed and locked? because that seems what this is leading to.
Why not just remove Nox's subscription from the thread? It's less problematic and questionable than locking it.
I like bagels.
What? I do :deflated:
Quote from: Serious PaulAs an aside if I get enough users to agree with me that Someone here is a problem, can we then lobby for topics to be closed and locked? because that seems what this is leading to.
If said someone hasn't been on the site in months and people keep necro-ing old threads about him? Yeah, probably. :rolleyes:
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Quote from: RPGPunditIf said someone hasn't been on the site in months and people keep necro-ing old threads about him? Yeah, probably. :rolleyes:
RPGPundit
Shame on you then. I don't frequent the site as often as others do, but part of what draws me back and keeps me interested in reading threads here, which I do more than post, is that there is supposed to be no fear of just that happening.
I had a lot more respect for you before you said this, and while losing that may mean little to you, it is significant to me. You've lost some ground in my book by your actions.
Oh, and is there a time limit on a thread? I can't come back to something two years from because it interests me or is relevant to the experience I am having at that moment?
How narrow of a view would that be?
Try posting in the roleplaying section of the forums for a change, Paul, and then maybe your opinion of people on a roleplaying discussion site might matter to them.
This whole "necro" idea in general has always seemed silly to me.
If its close to a YEAR old - then yeah maybe its a necro. I swear every forum seems to have a different weakly-understood span of time that qualifies for being labelled as a "necro" .
Over on the Big Purple it seems to be more than 5 days is a "necro".
on SJG forums ..more than a year seems like a "necro".
Here ? I don't know ?
- Ed C.
Quote from: Serious PaulShame on you then. I don't frequent the site as often as others do, but part of what draws me back and keeps me interested in reading threads here, which I do more than post, is that there is supposed to be no fear of just that happening.
I had a lot more respect for you before you said this, and while losing that may mean little to you, it is significant to me. You've lost some ground in my book by your actions.
You're seriously exaggerating the significance of this, dude. I'm not banning anything or anyone, or even censoring anything: All I did was close a thread who's only purpose as it stood would be to risk bringing up an issue/person that Off-Topic is only now finally recovering from the spectacle of.
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Quote from: KoltarThis whole "necro" idea in general has always seemed silly to me.
If its close to a YEAR old - then yeah maybe its a necro. I swear every forum seems to have a different weakly-understood span of time that qualifies for being labelled as a "necro" .
Over on the Big Purple it seems to be more than 5 days is a "necro".
on SJG forums ..more than a year seems like a "necro".
Here ? I don't know ?
- Ed C.
Well, we're mostly from RPG.net around here. I find it annoying to see a month-old thread that wound itself down. Hell, I find week-old threads annoying.
Don't necro threads, Ed. It bugs a lot of people. If any thread is more than a week old, start a new thread linking to it.
Quote from: JimBobOzTry posting in the roleplaying section of the forums for a change, Paul, and then maybe your opinion of people on a roleplaying discussion site might matter to them.
I'm not here for just that. And I'm not required to do that. I read a lot more than I post, if that means you'll undervalue my opinion so be it. I'm not going to change my posting style, or preferences just to please you.
Quote from: RPGPunditYou're seriously exaggerating the significance of this, dude. I'm not banning anything or anyone, or even censoring anything: All I did was close a thread who's only purpose as it stood would be to risk bringing up an issue/person that Off-Topic is only now finally recovering from the spectacle of.
RPGPundit
To me closing a thread is censorship. While you may not see it this way, I do. At Bulldrek we had a guy who made things pretty annoying for a while. And people even discussed banning him, but he was never banned, his threads never closed. The community eventually ignored him, and his lame ass input. We never resorted to this sort of thing.
I will always argue passionately for as much freedom as possible, as I strongly believe in it. You may believe in something else, for your own reasons.
Quote from: Serious PaulOh, and is there a time limit on a thread? I can't come back to something two years from because it interests me or is relevant to the experience I am having at that moment?
How narrow of a view would that be?
Nah, you can do that, but our culture here doesn't support it, and neither is it supported most online forums here.
Go on over to RPG.net or the Forge and necro a thread. They are so much more tolerant than we are of that sort of thing.:rolleyes:
Quote from: RPGPunditYou're seriously exaggerating the significance of this, dude. I'm not banning anything or anyone, or even censoring anything: All I did was close a thread who's only purpose as it stood would be to risk bringing up an issue/person that Off-Topic is only now finally recovering from the spectacle of.
RPGPundit
Right, wrong or indifferent, you had to know that closing a thread was going to set off another fucking drama bomb.
Quote from: RPGPunditYou're seriously exaggerating the significance of this, dude. I'm not banning anything or anyone, or even censoring anything: All I did was close a thread who's only purpose as it stood would be to risk bringing up an issue/person that Off-Topic is only now finally recovering from the spectacle of.
RPGPundit
Wasn't Nox banned from the OT forum? What does it matter if a thread he is subscribed to in a forum he's banned from gets bumped?
Quote from: joewolzWell, we're mostly from RPG.net around here. I find it annoying to see a month-old thread that wound itself down. Hell, I find week-old threads annoying.
Don't necro threads, Ed. It bugs a lot of people. If any thread is more than a week old, start a new thread linking to it.
I don't really have a problem with old threads being revived, but only if there's a real point in reviving them. In this case there wasn't. The thread itself was an idiotic subject, meant to make fun of a person who is no longer here, and the necroing of this thread added nothing at all to it.
On the other hand, if you want to necro a thread that's about a relevant topic, and add something productive and meaningful to it, that'd be another story.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Serious PaulTo me closing a thread is censorship. While you may not see it this way, I do. At Bulldrek we had a guy who made things pretty annoying for a while. And people even discussed banning him, but he was never banned, his threads never closed. The community eventually ignored him, and his lame ass input. We never resorted to this sort of thing.
I will always argue passionately for as much freedom as possible, as I strongly believe in it. You may believe in something else, for your own reasons.
You're an idiot, and just trying to be provocative. What is this now, another one of your attempts at hijinks? What next, going to try to intentionally start an inter-forum war?
I mean come on: TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK WAS CENSORED, YOU CRETIN.
Explain exactly what people had a right to say before I'd closed that thread that they do not have a right to say now.
RPGPundit
Quote from: AosRight, wrong or indifferent, you had to know that closing a thread was going to set off another fucking drama bomb.
Yes, clearly that was my mistake, and Jrients has already berated me for that backstage. So on his request, I've renamed and reopened the old fucking thread, so now people can have two threads to talk about idiotic subjects on instead of just one+as many more as they'd like to make. See? I'm clearly Hitler. :rolleyes:
But anyways, its like I said backstage, the fact that people who only have an interest in disrupting this site for their own motives will seize upon something I do to twist it into an hysterical claim of "censorship" when I and anyone rational know its not, is no motive for me to bend to their whims, if my conscience is clean. I don't let a concern for what people who will hate or criticize me no matter what I do, or people who are just out to drudge up controversy on the site, govern the policies of this site. In great part because I have no such concern: They can all go fuck themselves with a spoon as far as I'm concerned.
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It's a shame you feel like I am somehow personally attacking you, which isn't the case. I disagreed with your position, which as I understand it is my right. You may not like me, and I'm okay with that, but I am glad you did the right thing here.
You may not feel your actions were censorship but I did. You may not agree with my opinion, which is fine. I'm not asking you to. While I may not post much I do read these forums on a fairly frequent basis, more than once a month. I'd hate to see this place become the very thing it was started because of.
I'll also say that I will not feel bad about posting my opinions, regardless of how many of feel the need to berate me or tell me to leave, or other such nonsense.
Again, I challenge you: what exactly was censored?
For the record, I know that you aren't one of the guys who "hates me"; you're just a guy who takes an inordinate amount of glee in being a troublemaker and then having a guffaw about it over on Animalball.
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Have I posted a link to this at Animal Ball? No, then perhaps you've just decided on what you think I am and refuse to change said opinion.
You also seem to think censorship involves only removing a few words here and there, and doesn't include blocking access to communication, which is what locking a thread does. It blocks someones freedom to post, and while that may be acceptable to you, I find it reprehensible, even though I think I understand why you did it. (Which in my mind makes it all the worse, because you did it with the best of intentions.)
As always you're free to disregard my opinions. Hell you can ban me if you think it will make you feel better, for all I care. But as long as I am a member I will strive to ensure this forum is as free of controls as possible. If Animal Ball, which you'll note my posting has dropped off at as well, and Bulldrek can do it, why can't you people here? Is another persons opinions on the internet that much of a threat to you? (I know Jim Bob, yes it is.)
Quote from: RPGPunditFor the record, I know that you aren't one of the guys who "hates me"; you're just a guy who takes an inordinate amount of glee in being a troublemaker and then having a guffaw about it over on Animalball.
Nope don't hate you. I respect some of your opinions, and thoughts. I think of you as a drama queen of the highest order, but that's part of your appeal actually. I suspect in real life we'd get along just fine, given how similar we are in some respects. And as always I always like to hang out with smart people, and you're definitely smart.