I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news in case someone here still had ANY hopes the IP would be rescued by RTD, well abandon all hope:

That's rather terrible even beyond original expectations. That being said, I'll admit that despite formerly enjoying the franchise it has seemingly almost always had a notably more leftward lean than I personally have or would condone. (To be fair, though, I haven't seen much prior to the 9th doctor, so maybe earlier on things would have been somewhat different, at least compared to the more modern era of its serialization.)

Doctor always had problems with being a Gary Stu/Mary Sue, but it got progressively worse as the revival trudged onward. Making him/her the origin of the Time Lords is just plain stupid. Why? It adds nothing. Has anything changed as a result of this revelation? Nope! The show has so little respect for continuity that a game-changing revelation like that is irrelevant.

Fuck this show.

Sorry I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up. So we're now against heroes being in wheelchairs but think villains should be?

As to the main point I'm sure Doctor Who will survive Davros being able to stand up.

Quote from: Garry G on November 19, 2023, 01:59:15 PM
Sorry I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up. So we're now against heroes being in wheelchairs but think villains should be?

As to the main point I'm sure Doctor Who will survive Davros being able to stand up.

I didn't watch the video, but I searched for an article to read. (Really, OP, post a synopsis. Not everyone wants to listen to some 20 minute video for 30 seconds of information.)

The issue is that Davies said

Quotethere's a problem with Davros of old, in that he's a wheelchair user, who is evil. <snip> I had problems with that, and a lot of people on the production team had problems with that; associating disability with evil – and trust me, there's a very long tradition of this.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a45880895/doctor-who-russell-t-davies-davros-change/

Which is just more of the irrational side of the "you aren't allowed to write certain things because they are wrong-think" mentality. And putting a sick spin on the world -- remember that old saying about how only thieves locked their sea-chests because only they thought about stealing from fellow sailors?

And if you look around, you'll probably find other leftists decrying the lack of wheelchair-bound antagonists.

Quote from: Garry G on November 19, 2023, 01:59:15 PM
Sorry I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up. So we're now against heroes being in wheelchairs but think villains should be?

As to the main point I'm sure Doctor Who will survive Davros being able to stand up.

More like that's a potential strawman, and the left apparently herein refuses to allow established villains to be disabled on the basis of woke prioritizing. I guess this current expression of the left's media influence thinks heroes should be in wheelchairs, but villains should not be. Meanwhile, this site generally tends to agree that forcing established media's compliance with questionable far left/woke ideology or tokenism in defiance of established character, lore, and cetera is usually best avoided.

Similarly, this site has brought up legit points about why in a medieval world, it doesn't typically help to be disabled. If you choose to play a disabled character, that's a choice where it should impact your play, and will likely impact the play of others at the table too. Else not only do you lose realism and simulation, but also turn meaningful backstory/build choice into something of a nothingburger, where fluff has no presence in crunch and weird illogicality during the game story proper has plenty of opportunity to ensue. Likewise, the combat wheelchair is the sort of thing that boosts ANYONE who uses it to superhuman levels, which is neither inclusive nor especially interesting, nor balanced in a mixed party. Moreover, why would a dungeon need to be wheelchair accessible? Who the hell enforces that and why is it being emphasized as an important thing for dungeons to be?

Why do we care about all that, even if let's say we may be right? Because the critiques of emphasizing dungeon wheelchair accessibility and the combat wheelchair as design choices within a game are in solid part a backlash against the left's attempt to govern and shape ideology at gaming tables through questionable alterations to established IP and expansions. Like the erasure of species as a mechanically meaningful character differentiation with respect to attributes (say strength for a gnome vs a minotaur), in order to invent and advance a racial strife agenda within the gaming community. Or deleting alignment to emphasize moral relativism. All part of a discussion around company made meta rules and in-book diatribes on what political and social opinions are valid at a gaming table, and from who. A woke agenda similarly advanced through capturing the rules and dictating allowed speakerships at conventions, and in hiring processes that actively and loudly emphasize racial or ethnic selection as though this were a virtue rather than racially discriminatory hiring practices. So none of this is unconnected to broader social trends that have the left pushing their corporate ideology onto gaming groups, media consumers, and more in ways that tend to detract not only from the IPs in question, but also the ability of the public to engage in free and open ideological debate, or to question some of the more genuinely sketchy left wing reasoning.

Quote from: Garry G on November 19, 2023, 01:59:15 PM
Sorry I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up. So we're now against heroes being in wheelchairs but think villains should be?

As to the main point I'm sure Doctor Who will survive Davros being able to stand up.

Yeah, I'm sure you can finds thousands of people saying Proffesor X shouldn't be on a Wheelchair because he's the hero.

Honestly the UK socialists aren't sending their brightest minds (if such a thing as a brilliant socialist mind even exists)

Lefties are not happy with Davies actions.

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 19, 2023, 07:37:57 PM


Lefties are not happy with Davies actions.

You can never appease the woke mob. Once roused, they never stop.

As to Davros, I'm not a huge Dr Who fan, but I know who Davros is. Personally, I don't think the dude getting out of his space wheelchair is an issue in a high tech society with genetic engineering and. cybernetics and whatnot.

What I do mind is the idea that having an antagonist in a wheelchair was/is a problem. It's the Darth Vader trope, he's more machine now than man. (Or whatever alien Davros is.) It's not that being in a wheelchair makes him evil. It's that he's a broken, withered husk who clings to life out of hatred.

So fuck everybody. Maybe a regenerated Davros would be a cool change. A change from his broken form to a more robust, dynamic one. But not in the Current Year when writing is subservient to assinine ideology.

For the record, I have zero issue with heroes with disabilities.  I think they can be done really interestingly.  My issue is the weird fetishists who want a "disabled" hero in a setting that makes no sense (paralyzed in a world with magic that can repair any wound and revive the dead), and want the hero to be mechanically unhindered by those disabilities (with a magic flying wheelchair that doubles as an invulnerable weapon platform).

Davies has missed the point about Davros, too.  The point wasn't, "hurr hurr wheelchair people bad", the point was that the villain had gone to awful lengths to keep his malevolent intellect alive, that the wretched form you see in the show is the best that man can sustain through his sheer willpower and the achievements of his technology.  If the guy was running around looking like an underwear model, it would remove any sacrifices he'd made.

As I keep saying. This is standard woke mentality.

"X is Bwad! But only until I want to use X! Because I have appointed myself as X's savior. Now give me money!"

There's a reason why you never swim with piranhas.

I looked at Davros, essentially a brain in a wheeled gadget, and then I looked at his Daleks, essentially brains encased in a wheeled gadget that looks similar to the base of his own vehicle. And I thought he'd made them in his own image or whatever. But if he's just another guy walking around, then the Daleks have little visual connection with him.

I guess Daleks themselves will get legs next. Being evil wheelchairs incarnate.

The BBC is distilled stupid at this point.

Then they made David's doctor gay and had him talked down to by a trans and its mother. Just before splitting him into 2 gay doctors; Tennant and the new guy. Each time the viewership has dived, wont be many left watching it soon.