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Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Animalball Brasky on February 17, 2007, 07:30:16 PM
So for those that have access to RPG.net (and by the way-- it creeps me out how so many of you treat RPG.net like Voldemort-- The Site That Shant Be Named), I found this thread in trouble tickets (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=306567) interesting as it started out as one of the "I love you mods!" fanboy shit and twisted into a "TheRPGSite" sucks thread.

Incidently, as I mentioned before, RPG.net tried screwing with my banned account and accidently unbanned my IP address-- so I now have access to it again and figure I will continue to until I post and obviously provide my IP again (I suppose they could find it if they did some digging, but that's probably more work than it's worth for them).  Any ideas what I should do with it?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 17, 2007, 07:59:13 PM
Do we really need to carry the content of that thread over here?  Let it drop, I say.

!i!
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: droog on February 17, 2007, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: Animalball BraskyAny ideas what I should do with it?
Post a picture of your arse?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: The Good Assyrian on February 17, 2007, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaDo we really need to carry the content of that thread over here?  Let it drop, I say.

!i!

Hear, Hear!  I say let this die.


TGA
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 17, 2007, 08:29:32 PM
I will say that a few people who frequent this site represented well and decently in that thread, even in the face of a few unfair and largely uninformed barbs.  Kudos, fellows.

!i!

[Edit: I just ignored my own suggestion.  Sorry.]
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 17, 2007, 08:55:17 PM
Quote from: Animalball BraskySo for those that have access to RPG.net (and by the way-- it creeps me out how so many of you treat RPG.net like Voldemort-- The Site That Shant Be Named), I found this thread in trouble tickets (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=306567) interesting as it started out as one of the "I love you mods!" fanboy shit and twisted into a "TheRPGSite" sucks thread.

Incidently, as I mentioned before, RPG.net tried screwing with my banned account and accidently unbanned my IP address-- so I now have access to it again and figure I will continue to until I post and obviously provide my IP again (I suppose they could find it if they did some digging, but that's probably more work than it's worth for them).  Any ideas what I should do with it?

I couldn't see this thread due to lack of acount at the big purple toilet, but was it posted by a guy named ed charlton, going by a doofus klingon alias like qoltar or something with an avatar of himself done up with a dorkon headpiece?

He's a notorious toady on the SJG forums and does the same thing there: sucks up to the mods and dumps on this site.

God, his toadying makes me sick.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RedFox on February 17, 2007, 08:55:27 PM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaI will say that a few people who frequent this site represented well and decently in that thread, even in the face of a few unfair and largely uninformed barbs.  Kudos, fellows.

!i!

[Edit: I just ignored my own suggestion.  Sorry.]

Feh, these're gaming boards on the Wired.  Don't take the rival-politics too seriously.  ;)
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 17, 2007, 09:14:12 PM
For those of us not "generally bad for rpg.net as a whole" and therefore bannzorzed, and not lame enough to have a sock puppet account there, what's the thread say?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: David R on February 17, 2007, 09:21:37 PM
The same old stuff. The only thing of interest was when someone (you know who you are), thought that Dominus Nox and Amado G were the same person :D

Regards,
David R
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RockViper on February 17, 2007, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxI couldn't see this thread due to lack of acount at the big purple toilet, but was it posted by a guy named ed charlton, going by a doofus klingon alias like qoltar or something with an avatar of himself done up with a dorkon headpiece?

He's a notorious toady on the SJG forums and does the same thing there: sucks up to the mods and dumps on this site.

God, his toadying makes me sick.

I don't believe there is a post on rpg.net where someone doesn't tread-cap by sucking up to a mod.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Animalball Brasky on February 17, 2007, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: RockViperI don't believe there is a post on rpg.net where someone doesn't tread-cap by sucking up to a mod.

Agreed, but what's particularly nauseating are the ones started to suck up to a mod.

I'd post a picture of my ass, but the jpg would be too big of a file to host on my server.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: J Arcane on February 17, 2007, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: JimBobOzFor those of us not "generally bad for rpg.net as a whole" and therefore bannzorzed, and not lame enough to have a sock puppet account there, what's the thread say?
Apparently Eric considers me to be in the same category as you and Nisarg.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: beeber on February 17, 2007, 10:58:00 PM
i couldn't even get through the first page of entries.  all that ass-sucking. . . i guess there's no dignity left over there.

morons.

:blahblah:
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 12:05:39 AM
Holy shit; fucking disturbing... eric is still having his sick masochistic sex-fantasies about me. I love how he is taking that one line i posted in one blog entry like, a year ago (about how he and the other mods at rpg.net needed a spiked baseball bat to the nuts), and has blown that up into a claim that I wrote a "slashfic" about "torturing his genitals".  According to him, I'm the Marquis De Sade.  I'd be utterly amused if I didn't find his degenerate obsession with me so disturbing.

And then Curt, of all people, claiming I'm mentally ill. Holy fuck, I mean if there's one guy that needs to get doped up on anti-psychotics out of the whole modclique its him.

Anyways, what a blast of a thread. Shows how scared of us they are. Especially as we continue to prove that their whole justification for their fascism is a huge lie. Its no surprise they now have to rely on a whole parade of lies to try to scare people out of coming here.

Keep up the good work of setting the record straight, gang.

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 18, 2007, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: J ArcaneApparently Eric considers me to be in the same category as you and Nisarg.
What, so all of us were banned while not actually breaking any forum rules?

I was sure RPGPundit/Nisarg had broken some rule or other... probably personal attacks or something. "Curt, you fuck..." Something like that.

As I see it, both this thread and the one over there fulfill a needed function on each site - it's a bonding ritual. We define "us" by defining, even reviling, "them." We develop a spirit of belonging by sucking up to some mod or prominent poster, and rubbishing other forums. That's why Brasky's the one to have started this thread. He came into this forum putting it down, and he wants to belong and prove his belonging here. So he's going, "hey look! Those bastards are rubbishing us! They're scum, right? We're against them, yeah? And they banned me, right? So I belong here, yeah?" This thread is just about Brasky trying to belong. Someone give him a hug.

I have no doubt that rpg.net thread will contain people saying we all hate rpg.net, yet still bitch about having been bannzorzed from there. Eric and Darren will be smug about this. Well, I can say honestly that I don't hate rpg.net, I thought very well of it, and still do. It has much of worth; but this is despite, not because of, the moderation. This isn't too different from any other forum - the worth of the place is in the posters and the posts they make, not in the moderation. The place could be made even better with some better moderation, but I don't think the current crew are one to do it. They seem burned-out and adversarial.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 18, 2007, 12:12:19 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditAnd then Curt, of all people, claiming I'm mentally ill. Holy fuck, I mean if there's one guy that needs to get doped up on anti-psychotics out of the whole modclique its him.
And now the two of you can join with droog in a Psychologists Online & Ornery group, or POO for short.

I don't think having read a few pages of White Wolf flavour fic about angsty vampires makes any gamer qualified to judge the psychological health of someone else online. Just stick to calling people "homophobes" if you're like Curt, "cunts!" if you're like droog, or "fuckers!" if you're like RPGPundit.

Quote from: RPGPunditAnyways, what a blast of a thread. Shows how scared of us they are. Especially as we continue to prove that their whole justification for their fascism is a huge lie.
Again with the overblown metaphors. Have you been talking to that mad Prussian Settembrini again? A few mods powertrippin' and exercising personal grudges is not fascism, it's just a few mods powertrippin' and exercising personal grudges.

I guess everyone has stuff they get irrational about, and this is RPGPundit's stuff... Mine is cooking! Put the parmesan in immediately after turning the heat off on the risotto, not before, damnit!
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: JimBobOzWhat, so all of us were banned while not actually breaking any forum rules?

I was sure RPGPundit/Nisarg had broken some rule or other... probably personal attacks or something. "Curt, you fuck..." Something like that.

Actually, no. I was banned from RPG.net when I made the mistake of checking out Tangency, caught one of Amado's rants against the evils of America and consumerist society and how he was a cool marxist or whatever, and posted a response where I said "you must be posting from YOUR SECRET HEADQUARTERS IN THE JUNGLE.  That's some pretty amazing satellite connection you have there while fighting guerrilla warfare.. because I mean, surely you ARE actually fighting as a marxist revolutionary and not just some pampered college boy appreciating all of the luxuries that western civilization has to offer while simultaneously shitting all over it with statements you don't really understand but read in some first-year political science course taught by aging marxists, to be fashionable, right?"

So yeah, It was a personal attack of sorts, if you can calling someone out on their own bullshit claims a personal attack. But it wasn't just a "fuck you", or attacking the mods. It was for daring to say someone was from their precious inner circle was full of it.

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 12:20:37 AM
Quote from: JimBobOzAgain with the overblown metaphors. Have you been talking to that mad Prussian Settembrini again? A few mods powertrippin' and exercising personal grudges is not fascism, it's just a few mods powertrippin' and exercising personal grudges.

:rolleyes:  ok... whatever, it proves that the justification for their "powertripping" is a lie, then, if that makes you happier.   The point is that they turned the site into their own little totalitarian playground, and claimed they HAD to, because otherwise you wouldn't get a site that would let you really talk about meaningful things.  And we prove that in fact, you can.  And for that matter, RPG.net these days has proved that just the opposite of their statement is true: totalitarian modding practices make it all but impossible for meaningful discussion of any kind to take place, because no one can actually say what they mean, and any kind of statement with any amount of conviction behind it is going to be used by someone who disagrees to claim personal attack and call for moderation. So you're left with talking about pretty kittens and the weather.

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: TonyLB on February 18, 2007, 12:55:24 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditShows how scared of us they are.
LOL!  Oh ... it really doesn't.

I mean, I understand that you feel that they're running scared of you.  And for all I know, they may be!  I'm not a mind-reader.  But I would submit that the thread itself can be explained just fine as baseless animosity spurred on by deliberate mutual misunderstanding ... just like most of the bile that gets spewed around here.  It's really the flip side of the various "RPG.Net sucks!" threads that go on here: mere cronyism and name-calling, not really indicative of anything.

I mean, if them slinging venom your way shows how scared they are ... wouldn't that mean that you are scared of everything and everyone you sling venom at?  That'd make you the most terrified person I know. :D
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 02:03:47 AM
Hey, I'm seriously terrified of Eric's fascination with wanting me to do things to his genitals.

In any case, we're the little guy.  When the really huge guy starts freaking out about the little guy that they could afford to ignore, it tells me they're scared.

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: David R on February 18, 2007, 05:43:28 AM
Let's not have anymore of these kinds of threads . The only time, we should bitch about tBP is when someone gets banned over there and starts up a thread about it over here.

Regards,
David R
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: One Horse Town on February 18, 2007, 05:55:07 AM
I'll just say what i did over there. That both sites have their uses, just different tones and focus.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Animalball Brasky on February 18, 2007, 07:57:09 AM
Quote from: JimBobOzThat's why Brasky's the one to have started this thread. He came into this forum putting it down, and he wants to belong and prove his belonging here. So he's going, "hey look! Those bastards are rubbishing us! They're scum, right? We're against them, yeah? And they banned me, right? So I belong here, yeah?" This thread is just about Brasky trying to belong. Someone give him a hug.

Overcompensate much?  You'll see that with the exception of this thread, I've only been starting threads over hear to pimp my own games (and to help Paul troll you, JimBob).  I started this thread because I read something over on RPG.net that talked about this site.  As you know from when you used to participate on my website, JB, we've had a tight-knit community over at Animalball for over three years.  I'm not posting to seek your approval, I'm posting because I found something relevant to this site.  I'm sorry that my uncanny sense of relationship is threatening to you.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Blackleaf on February 18, 2007, 08:51:17 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit"you must be posting from YOUR SECRET HEADQUARTERS IN THE JUNGLE. That's some pretty amazing satellite connection you have there while fighting guerrilla warfare.. because I mean, surely you ARE actually fighting as a marxist revolutionary and not just some pampered college boy appreciating all of the luxuries that western civilization has to offer while simultaneously shitting all over it with statements you don't really understand but read in some first-year political science course taught by aging marxists, to be fashionable, right?"

That's literally what you were banned for??? :confused:
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Mr. Analytical on February 18, 2007, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: David RLet's not have anymore of these kinds of threads . The only time, we should bitch about tBP is when someone gets banned over there and starts up a thread about it over here.

  I second the motion.  We all know the failings of TBP and who some of us choose to not post there and why some of us can't post there.  I don't think it's particularly fruitful to keep bitching about the place.

  a) it makes it look as though we're obsessed.
  b) it's not particularly interesting
  c) I'm not completely comfortable with the homophobic stuff that gets thrown around when talking about Curt.

  Frankly, if people want to display their dislike for TBP, the best thing they can possibly do is post good positive content here, thereby underlining what RPGnet's moderation policy is costing them.

  I seriously urge people to shut the fuck up about TBP.  Let them do their thing, we'll do ours and basta.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: StuartThat's literally what you were banned for??? :confused:

Yes. Mind you, they were looking for any excuse. And it certainly could qualify as a "person attack on amado".

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 11:20:25 AM
By the way:

Rotwang: Loved your post. It was brilliant.

Hinterwelt: Interesting how I'm "damaged goods" yet still good enough to write a fucking sourcebook for you, huh?

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Dr Rotwang! on February 18, 2007, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditBy the way:

Rotwang: Loved your post. It was brilliant.
Thank you. I now am officially done talking about the two sites in comparison, and will no longer contribute to further discussions on the matter.

That said, Pundit, I meant what I said about you, but I said it because it doesn't really matter in the end.  And I knew that if you read it, you'd know the same to be true.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Thank you. I now am officially done talking about the two sites in comparison, and will no longer contribute to further discussions on the matter.

That said, Pundit, I meant what I said about you, but I said it because it doesn't really matter in the end.  And I knew that if you read it, you'd know the same to be true.

You do realize that in calmly reporting about the way moderation policies work here with the "nox case" as an example, you have done more intense harm to the modcliques' image than two thousand blog rants of mine could have ever hoped to do, right?

I mean fuck, you did it on purpose right? You fucked them over by making them out to be the fascists they are, in the most polite way imaginable.

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: droog on February 18, 2007, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditHinterwelt: Interesting how I'm "damaged goods" yet still good enough to write a fucking sourcebook for you, huh?
Nice!
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Dr Rotwang! on February 18, 2007, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditYou do realize that in calmly reporting about the way moderation policies work here with the "nox case" as an example, you have done more intense harm to the modcliques' image than two thousand blog rants of mine could have ever hoped to do, right?
I hadn't thought about damage.  I just tried to present my impression of it without making anyone out to be the bad guy -- except for the obvious bad guy, Nox.

QuoteI mean fuck, you did it on purpose right? You fucked them over by making them out to be the fascists they are, in the most polite way imaginable.

RPGPundit
Polite, maybe.  Fascists, I wasn't thinking about.  And I really wasn't contemplating fucking anybody over, either.  

I just wanted there to be a clear, undisputable record of why I, Dr Rotwang!, who have (I humbly submit) earned some respect, like this forum -- something to stand aginst the single-sided, derisive comments made about it.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: HinterWelt on February 18, 2007, 12:47:54 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditBy the way:

Rotwang: Loved your post. It was brilliant.

Hinterwelt: Interesting how I'm "damaged goods" yet still good enough to write a fucking sourcebook for you, huh?

RPGPundit
You aren't writing a source book for me, you are writing it for Zachary. If you dislike that relationship you needn't continue. Personally, I have no idea why you even considered working with me.

As for you being damaged goods, well, look at this reaction for an example of your greater behavior. I posted positively, trying to bring balance to the one sided view, and you make it about you. I find that to be disturbing behavior beyond your usual hyperbole.

You seem unable to understand the difference between a professional relationship and a personal evaluation. You writing a manuscript that I will produce and my views of your emotional state have little relationship beyond how it affects your ability to take direction, work professionally with me, and hand off a finished product. I have never worked with you before and perhaps this is the learning experience we both need concerning our ability to interact.

And, yes, I will say it here again, I think you have issues. Some folks will be fine with that, others will leave in a huff but in the end, I am still here. I just try to avoid posting in your threads. In the end, I try to get along but I will not be your booster or cow-tow to you. I will call it like I see it. As I see it, I do not think you are one wit concerned with my view of you and that you have little more than contempt for me on the rare occasion I enter your field of view. If we can just ignore each other I think we will enjoy this site far more.

Bill
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 18, 2007, 12:51:28 PM
Jesus fuck, all that because I think Roma Imperious is bad alt-history (not to mention bad latin)?

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: HinterWelt on February 18, 2007, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditJesus fuck, all that because I think Roma Imperious is bad alt-history (not to mention bad latin)?

RPGPundit
No. By the gods, no. I do not have to explain it because you know what the issues are, others have done a far better job of explaining it.

As for Roma, I have had far better people that I respect a great deal more point out what they dislike about my work. Look at some of the reviews of my books on RPG.Net. I have a lot of respect for Rafael and he did not like Nebuleon one bit.

"All that" was because you stated I had so little respect for someone I was working with but was willing to use them despite those views. That is not me. Ask any of the freelancers, fans or professionals I have worked with and they will tell you I have always treated them professionally and with courtesy.

Again, I think you have wasted more time on me than you could possibly believe it is worth.

Bill
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Mr. Analytical on February 18, 2007, 01:20:31 PM
Pundy, I don't think there's anything counter-intuitive or weird about HWs position.  

He's saying that he trusts your judgement enough to have a professional relationship with you but that doesn't mean he wants to start swapping spit with you in the shower.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Werekoala on February 18, 2007, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditActually, no. I was banned from RPG.net when I made the mistake of checking out Tangency, caught one of Amado's rants against the evils of America and consumerist society and how he was a cool marxist or whatever, and posted a response where I said "you must be posting from YOUR SECRET HEADQUARTERS IN THE JUNGLE.  That's some pretty amazing satellite connection you have there while fighting guerrilla warfare.. because I mean, surely you ARE actually fighting as a marxist revolutionary and not just some pampered college boy appreciating all of the luxuries that western civilization has to offer while simultaneously shitting all over it with statements you don't really understand but read in some first-year political science course taught by aging marxists, to be fashionable, right?"

That right there makes me love you, despite your ocassional manifestation of multiple personality disorder.

Amado... you could always count on him to stand up to The Man, that's for sure. Never really butted heads with him, but I did like the way that if you said anything even remotely critical of illegal immigration, he'd bust out the "RACIST" hammer and start talking about taking back the Southwest.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 18, 2007, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: Werekoala...I did like the way that if you said anything even remotely critical of illegal immigration, he'd bust out the "RACIST" hammer...
Say, maybe that's where the rumor that Nox and Amado were the same person. Add three exclamation points and it's a perfect match. :haw:

!i!
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RedFox on February 18, 2007, 05:31:57 PM
Good show in that thread, DocRot.

FWIW I think Darren has a good point about the size of boards and their moderation policies.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Zalmoxis on February 18, 2007, 05:45:54 PM
RPGnet has some of the most reactionary and oppressive moderation techniques I have ever seen.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Bradford C. Walker on February 18, 2007, 05:58:50 PM
Quote from: ZalmoxisRPGnet has some of the most reactionary and oppressive moderation techniques I have ever seen.
Tangency is the source of most of those policies.  Culling it would solve those same problems.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: JamesV on February 18, 2007, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalI second the motion.  We all know the failings of TBP and who some of us choose to not post there and why some of us can't post there.  I don't think it's particularly fruitful to keep bitching about the place.

  a) it makes it look as though we're obsessed.
  b) it's not particularly interesting
  c) I'm not completely comfortable with the homophobic stuff that gets thrown around when talking about Curt.

  Frankly, if people want to display their dislike for TBP, the best thing they can possibly do is post good positive content here, thereby underlining what RPGnet's moderation policy is costing them.

  I seriously urge people to shut the fuck up about TBP.  Let them do their thing, we'll do ours and basta.

Amen. I'll cop that for a short moment I had my issues with Big Purple, then I realized how stupid that was. It's just not my cuppa tea anymore. I'd much rather see this place continue to be the kinda place I want to be at, and that has little to do with all of this whinging.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Animalball Brasky on February 18, 2007, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: Bradford C. WalkerTangency is the source of most of those policies.  Culling it would solve those same problems.

I was just arguing with someone who used those very same words somewhere... maybe Pundit's blog?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Tom B on February 18, 2007, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: JamesVAmen. I'll cop that for a short moment I had my issues with Big Purple, then I realized how stupid that was. It's just not my cuppa tea anymore. I'd much rather see this place continue to be the kinda place I want to be at, and that has little to do with all of this whinging.

It's rather ironic, I think.  People point at one thread on RPGnet, and the occasional random post as proof as to how RPGnet is "running scared" of this site.  Yet over here, you can find thread after thread after thread devoted to ranting, railing and insulting RPGnet.

I'm sure the mods over there are flattered at the amount of attention there is devoted to their every action.  It's just like a fanclub...:D
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 18, 2007, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: Bradford C. WalkerTangency is the source of most of those policies.  Culling it would solve those same problems.
It would also solve some of the issues that Darren et al were mentioning, being such a huge site and all.  And yet, culling Tangency would also cull the majority of their advertising base.  Face the music fellas -- Tangency is the driving force of TBP now.

!i!
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: J Arcane on February 18, 2007, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaIt would also solve some of the issues that Darren et al were mentioning, being such a huge site and all.  And yet, culling Tangency would also cull the majority of their advertising base.  Face the music fellas -- Tangency is the driving force of TBP now.

!i!
I dunno.  Given that almost the only advertisement I see on RPGnet now is for Final Fantasy, I would postualte that their core audience for marketing is that of Video Games Open, not necessarily Tangency.

What few other ads there are, however, or for roleplaying games, and even FF is at least distantly related to rolepalying games, if not one itself.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Mr. Analytical on February 18, 2007, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: JamesVAmen. I'll cop that for a short moment I had my issues with Big Purple, then I realized how stupid that was. It's just not my cuppa tea anymore. I'd much rather see this place continue to be the kinda place I want to be at, and that has little to do with all of this whinging.

  Exactly.  They've got their community, let them go in the direction they want. We shall try to do things different here.  It's really not worth getting annoyed or emotional about.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Zalmoxis on February 18, 2007, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: Bradford C. WalkerTangency is the source of most of those policies.  Culling it would solve those same problems.

I don't know... why not just limit bannings for personal threats and spambots?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: RPGPundit on February 19, 2007, 12:55:30 AM
Quote from: HinterWeltNo. By the gods, no. I do not have to explain it because you know what the issues are, others have done a far better job of explaining it.

As for Roma, I have had far better people that I respect a great deal more point out what they dislike about my work. Look at some of the reviews of my books on RPG.Net. I have a lot of respect for Rafael and he did not like Nebuleon one bit.

"All that" was because you stated I had so little respect for someone I was working with but was willing to use them despite those views. That is not me. Ask any of the freelancers, fans or professionals I have worked with and they will tell you I have always treated them professionally and with courtesy.

Again, I think you have wasted more time on me than you could possibly believe it is worth.

Bill

Hey, that's fine by me. And you're right, I don't really care what you think of me on a personal level. What does matter to me is that it doesn't affect the Historical Cast project, or that all the massive amount of work (over 70 pages thus far) I've already done and the even more massive amount I will be doing before the damn thing is done won't be for nothing because you have issues with me.

If you're saying here that this isn't the case, then that's fine.  I still find it amusing that someone you consider "damaged goods" is going to have a game book published under your banner.

RPGPundit
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: JongWK on February 19, 2007, 01:04:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalPundy, I don't think there's anything counter-intuitive or weird about HWs position.  

He's saying that he trusts your judgement enough to have a professional relationship with you but that doesn't mean he wants to start swapping spit with you in the shower.

Indeed. I think that HW's words of choice were a bit stronger than "we have different POVs", but that's basically sums it up. Guys, don't make a storm in a glass of water, ok?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: HinterWelt on February 19, 2007, 02:02:20 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditHey, that's fine by me. And you're right, I don't really care what you think of me on a personal level. What does matter to me is that it doesn't affect the Historical Cast project, or that all the massive amount of work (over 70 pages thus far) I've already done and the even more massive amount I will be doing before the damn thing is done won't be for nothing because you have issues with me.

If you're saying here that this isn't the case, then that's fine.  I still find it amusing that someone you consider "damaged goods" is going to have a game book published under your banner.

RPGPundit
I was really hoping not to get into this on a public forum but you seem bound to do so.

You are doing your best to frame this as me having some personal grudge against you and thus driving you from the project (and by that, destroying the project). I merely have a low opinion of your emotional stability, motives in your communication and your ability to take direction. This last one is the only concern I have in terms of our professional relationship. Note, to this time, I have nothing on which to base an opinion of your ability to write or your knowledge as a historian. You can be a prima donna and still produce quality material.

As to the amount of effort you are putting into the manuscript, let me assure you, your efforts pale next to the amounts of effort that will have to be put in on proofing, editing, layout and art not to mention promotion. Working with you is and was Zachary's choice. I am just helping out a friend.

As for publishing under my banner, there are reasons I came up with the Tower Source imprint. I am hoping, if successful, Zachary can make a company of it if he wishes. He is a good guy and I want to help him realize the fruition of his ideas.

Now, I also want to point something out that I just realized with your last post. You are a contributor but you are not the project. To be honest, you could drop out and it would be a loss, but Zachary would still get his Civil War series out and who knows who else would step forward. Like I said, this is Zachary's project and his idea is that the many historians of this site could contribute. However, if Zachary drops out, then we do not have a project. As far as that goes, I could drop out and you could find another publisher to fill the spot. This is not about you and me, it is about Zachary's idea. I do not wish to squash this because I pricked your ego. THAT would be a shame.

Now, if you prefer, you can be a "wank" instead of damaged goods.;)

Bill
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Stumpydave on February 19, 2007, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: ZalmoxisI don't know... why not just limit bannings for personal threats and spambots?

No, if you curtail our freedom to threaten to murder and devour someones family you are a threat to the free world!

Spambots though....
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Gabriel on February 19, 2007, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: ZalmoxisI don't know... why not just limit bannings for personal threats and spambots?

It devolves down to the questions of: what is a threat?  what is spam?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: The Yann Waters on February 19, 2007, 12:52:02 PM
Oh, and I meant what I said over there (http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=6946145&postcount=123) before the thread was closed: running a PbP game of Nobilis (http://gamecraft.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=116) around here (as a dungeon crawl (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=74883&postcount=43) or otherwise) would be an interesting experiment, and might even help to dispel some of the deep-seated misconceptions (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=72394&postcount=72) about the game...
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Settembrini on February 19, 2007, 01:11:35 PM
@Hinterwelt:

You got PM.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Zalmoxis on February 19, 2007, 06:08:55 PM
Quote from: GabrielIt devolves down to the questions of: what is a threat?  what is spam?

Spam is obvious. Ads for viagra and crap like that are easy to spot. Threats are also easy. If a person feels threatened it should be investigated to deem if the threat is reasonable. If it is, then warn the person not to use threatening behavior. If they continue, ban them.

See how easy that is?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: David R on February 19, 2007, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: GrimGentOh, and I meant what I said over there (http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=6946145&postcount=123) before the thread was closed: running a PbP game of Nobilis (http://gamecraft.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=116) around here (as a dungeon crawl (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=74883&postcount=43) or otherwise) would be an interesting experiment, and might even help to dispel some of the deep-seated misconceptions (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=72394&postcount=72) about the game...

Yes it would and more importantly it could be fun.

Regards,
David R
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: The Yann Waters on February 20, 2007, 08:33:50 AM
Quote from: David RYes it would and more importantly it could be fun.
Fun, you say? I'll just start a new thread about that over here (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4561), then: anyone whose interest is piqued by the notion is welcome to tell what exactly they'd like to see in the game.
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: mythusmage on February 20, 2007, 09:10:26 AM
Pundit, tell Hinterwelt you're sorry you forgot to check on the lasgna. Hinterwelt, tell Pundit you're sorry for yelling at him for letting the lasagna burn. Then the two of you kiss and make up. All this bickering is getting Dominus upset, and he's starting to develop a tolerance to the Thorazine.

Besides, how do the two of you expect to have kids of your own if you keep squabbling like this?
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Seanchai on February 20, 2007, 11:53:13 PM
Quote from: Animalball BraskyAny ideas what I should do with it?

You mean, as in sabotage or some such? Nothing.

Seanchai
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Seanchai on February 20, 2007, 11:57:53 PM
Quote from: Bradford C. WalkerTangency is the source of most of those policies.  Culling it would solve those same problems.

No, the source of the problem is moderators who participate in discussions. And the subjective nature of the rules.

Seanchai
Title: RPG.net vs. theRPGSite
Post by: Koltar on February 21, 2007, 12:00:39 AM
Quote from: mythusmagePundit, tell Hinterwelt you're sorry you forgot to check on the lasgna. Hinterwelt, tell Pundit you're sorry for yelling at him for letting the lasagna burn. Then the two of you kiss and make up. All this bickering is getting Dominus upset, and he's starting to develop a tolerance to the Thorazine.

Besides, how do the two of you expect to have kids of your own if you keep squabbling like this?


 You bloody fucker - you literally made me fall out my chair laughing.

 Stop that!!

  I'm STILL fucking laughing....
 Those images... Oy!!