The modsquad running rpg.net apparently pushed a user named Jackalope into a meltdown in which he allegedly sent threatening emails to some members of the mod squad. (As a personal note, I'd like to punch out a few of those self admitted tyrants myself, so I can sympathize.)
Well, users there proceeded to compare him to rpgpundit, once again bashing someone who couldn't defend himself due to banning.
Cowardly on top of everything else....
Quote from: Zardozmodsquad..... Jackalope....users
Decisions, decisions. :hmm:
Click on his profile then look at his posting history.
All that's missing is an avatar depicting a pair of crossed gin bottles emblazoned on a bucket of dog turds.
EDIT: And a boxing glove.
EDIT 2: And mail order degrees in murderology and murderonomy.
Quote from: DrewClick on his profile then look at his posting history.
All that's missing is an avatar depicting two crossed gin bottles emblazoned on a bucket of dog turds.
:D
What?
You guys think he's created a sockpuppet that fast??
Could fit a pattern - but the time frame is very much condensed when compared to others.
- Ed C.
I'm not jackalope, BTW, never have been on any forum.
Then how do you know about the banning?
Quote from: CthyThen how do you know about the banning?
Um, it's been a major topic on trouble tickets on RPG.net for a while....
Man the radar. :rolleyes:
Well, i guess it's on-topic for off-topic. Carry on.
Quote from: ZardozI'm not jackalope, BTW, never have been on any forum.
^^^^
edit - fell for a cunning ploy by a sock puppet...darn it I though I had grown up, but despite being an RPG.net regular, and despite the cliche to the contrary, I never check post count and join dates in a posting, so I missed the pertinent...
Quote from: HackmastergeneralSo the fuck what?
Whatever and who cares what they do on another forum? Seriously.
When guys like you grow the fuck up and stop posting about rpg.net, then this place can truely evolve into what it should be.
Course as long as pundit keeps starting threads about it as well, it can hardly be blamed, but still.
That monkey ridin' their back, 'tis a feisty one.
Would someone mind to enlight me about what's going on, 'cause it sounds promising, but I somehow don't have a clue what are those mysterious remarks actually about. :deflated:
I think a show of hands would help matters.
Everyone who is here for a free shot at jackalope, shout "aye!"
Everyone who is jackalope, shout "Boo!"
Ayeboo! Booaye!
I'm not entirely sure where I fall. I'm not really here to snipe at Jackalope - couldn't give two shits, one way or the other, tell ya the truth - but the first I heard of this place was in a discussion about him. So... here I am.
Quote from: AlnagWould someone mind to enlight me about what's going on, 'cause it sounds promising, but I somehow don't have a clue what are those mysterious remarks actually about. :deflated:
Beats me. I went back to the original thread and
it is not even entertaining. Sigh. I must be getting old... :shrug:
I noticed him here before I read the threads on tbP.
Guy's easier than a crackwhore deperate for a fix.
Quote from: ZardozWell, users there proceeded to compare him to rpgpundit, once again bashing someone who couldn't defend himself due to banning.
Oh NOES! Someone on TBP talking down this site! Why, surely this means war!
You know, in a way, this would almost be a let-down if Zardoz proved to be a sock puppet of Jackalope, because it's about the only thing that will bring down a perfunctory banning from Pundy.
!i!
I'm pretty sure he means he's never been Jackalope on any forum, not that he himself has never been on any forum before. The grammar's a bit fuzzy, but the meaning can be derived from context.
I'm sorry to let this out, but I don't think most posters on TBP actually know about us.
Which is all to the good, seeing I'm naturally elitist and all. But it does mean that I don't think TBP as a whole is really bashing this place.
Otherwise, some folk on Trouble Tickets, the forum where one sucks up to mods for no particularly good reason (since the mods, no matter what some here may think, don't particularly ask for anyone to do that) suck up to the mods by making comments about pundy.
In other news, water still wet. Rpg.net's moderation policies IMO inadvertently (and yes I do mean inadvertently) create a subculture of sycophancy, so it goes.
Still, while I'm here, and just for the added offence to my fellow locals, I would like to mention that I actually think Nina is a damn good mod and if a site needs mods she's about what you'd hope for. I like Darren too.
Why would you create a sockpuppet here?
I mean, on a forum with passionate arguments where having supporters really matters, it might be worth it. And if you've been banned but still want to comment, makes sense.
But here no-one cares whether your opinion is held by one or many, they just praise or abuse it on what they think are its own merits, and it's nearly impossible to get yourself banned.
Or maybe Jackalope didn't like the way he started here and wanted a fresh start?
I dunno, all this stuff is just too needlessly complicated, it does my head in.
I did a quick PM check over at TBP, and user Stephenls is legit.
Quote from: JongWKI did a quick PM check over at TBP, and user Stephenls is legit.
:confused:
Quote from: BalbinusStill, while I'm here, and just for the added offence to my fellow locals, I would like to mention that I actually think Nina is a damn good mod and if a site needs mods she's about what you'd hope for. I like Darren too.
I'm out of touch with moderation but from what little I have seen, Dan Davenport was doing a really good job as mod.
Quote from: StephenlsI'm pretty sure he means he's never been Jackalope on any forum, not that he himself has never been on any forum before. The grammar's a bit fuzzy, but the meaning can be derived from context.
Welcome to theRPGsite, Stephenls. I guess you're now one of the "20 people" Cessna claims are the only ones who "still read" this site.
RPGPundit
PS: I sure hope that while you're here, you take some time to actually participate in the RPG threads, and not just hang out here in off-topic.
Quote from: RPGPunditWelcome to theRPGsite, Stephenls. I guess you're now one of the "20 people" Cessna claims are the only ones who "still read" this site.
Well, technically, he's probably one of 25 or so who NOW read this site, since he joined after Cessna's comment.
Just sayin'.
Still, it is nice to have him here, if even for a short time. Always liked him. Seemed the fair sort.
Actually all the mods from rpg.net come here, looking for rpg.net users who dare criticize rpg.net (I.E. them) here so they can ban them for it there.
Really, I quite doubt that. It's always nice to feel important, though.
!i!
Quote from: ZardozActually all the mods from rpg.net come here, looking for rpg.net users who dare criticize rpg.net (I.E. them) here so they can ban them for it there.
Don't be ridiculous mate. Have you seen the amount of time the mods spend over there watching the threads? Why should they bother coming here? They freely admit this place handles views different to those they'll allow there, and recommend it as an alternative.
The mods do come here, and they see how
they're being talked about, so some wanker doesn't spend weeks on end moaning about them to his (bored) captive audience without a right of reply.
Also, they don't have to abide by their own rules here. Levi really let go at some pople about a year ago which was entertaining.
On the other hand, that sort of feeling also prompted Levi's resignation as an rpg.net mod. As a mod, he felt a duty to have some restraint in what he said, but he then realised he wanted to tell people when he thought they were being cocks :p
The rules are daft, anyway. It's like all those sites where there are rules against using profanity against people. I don't know about you guys, but the times when I've felt genuinely hurt by something someone said, or offended, it rarely had any profanity at all. You have to know someone fairly well to really insult them, or just get lucky and hit a raw nerve. And that's got nothing to do with whether your comment has rude words in it or not.
Quote from: RPGPunditPS: I sure hope that while you're here, you take some time to actually participate in the RPG threads, and not just hang out here in off-topic.
If I see something that catches my interest, sure. Really, I only registered to make that smartass "/b/" reply. I like RPGnet, and it suits my need for RPG-related discussion better than any place I've been, but I miss my seat in the peanut gallery.
I also miss USENET and being able get into sarcasm fights with Kamikaze and to call Christopher Burke a fucking idiot and Dagon the scum of the Earth.
Boo?
I don't have any sockpuppets on this site. I mean, what would be the point of that? Also, in case anyone doesn't know, Stephanls is one of the mods of rpg.net.
Quote from: WerekoalaWell, technically, he's probably one of 25 or so who NOW read this site, since he joined after Cessna's comment.
Let's talk about some real stats (http://weblog.xanga.com/RPGpundit/649453281/item.html), shall we?
RPGPundit
Get the fuck out of off-topic you lot, and start talking about RPGs. This isn't a gangwank, it's an RPG website.
Quote from: shewolf:confused:
It looked to me like an odd number of new posters (read: sockpuppets) were heading straight into the OT forum to talk about RPGnet, and maybe one was posing as Stephenls. I PM'd him through RPGnet, and got confirmation that it was him.
Nothing to see here, move along... ;)
Quote from: PseudoephedrineGet the fuck out of off-topic you lot, and start talking about RPGs. This isn't a gangwank, it's an RPG website.
Spit in one hand, shit in the other.
Don't like off topic? Stay the fuck out. I hate the same sentiment from the whiners on RPG.net "Ban tangency ban tangency" - you don't like it, don't fucking post there. Give the rest of us a place to talk about real fucking things once in a while, to take a break from all the imaginary elf princes and dragon hordes.
You certainly don't stop yourself from posting on OT, so go blow.
Quote from: RPGPunditLet's talk about some real stats (http://weblog.xanga.com/RPGpundit/649453281/item.html), shall we?
I know, I know - I'm saying that if he came AFTER Cessna's post, then clearly he isn't one of the 20, ergo, there are now more than twenty and he's one of them, ;)
Quote from: HackmastergeneralSpit in one hand, shit in the other.
Don't like off topic? Stay the fuck out. I hate the same sentiment from the whiners on RPG.net "Ban tangency ban tangency" - you don't like it, don't fucking post there. Give the rest of us a place to talk about real fucking things once in a while, to take a break from all the imaginary elf princes and dragon hordes.
You certainly don't stop yourself from posting on OT, so go blow.
I don't think Psuedo was being altogether serious.
Now drop and stat me ten 40th level wizards! Hup! Hup! Hup! :D
Quote from: DrewI don't think Psuedo was being altogether serious.
Now drop and stat me ten 40th level wizards! Hup! Hup! Hup! :D
Heh. I was up last night till 3 gaming Aces and Eights, and didn't sleep much after cause my wife was out at a drunken womens sleep over, and I just don't sleep well when she isn't around. My sarcasm-o-meter is out of juice.
Aces and Eights, by the way, fucking rocks. First time I played it, and man did I enjoy it, even if 80% of the group wasn't there and it was just us three, and I didn't get to fire my gun once (I was playing a reformed gunslinger turned preacher a la Eastwood's character in Pale Rider - I didn't make him to be a gun toting fiend, though he has one for protection).
Ten level forty wizards coming up SIR!
Ummm....this could take a while...
Isn't it interesting how many new, Jackalope-centered posters we have all of a sudden? How many sockpuppets can one guy create?
Seanchai
Quote from: SeanchaiIsn't it interesting how many new, Jackalope-centered posters we have all of a sudden? How many sockpuppets can one guy create?
Seanchai
Especially when he's stumbling around so much that he seems to be all left feet.
- Ed C.
Don't rule out the all-powerful Nox. He is everywhere, yet no-where, everyone, yet no-one. Oh no, that's Darkman.
Quote from: One Horse TownDon't rule out the all-powerful Nox. He is everywhere, yet no-where, everyone, yet no-one. Oh no, that's Darkman.
I thought that was Keyser Söze.
!i!
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaI thought that was Keyser Söze.
!i!
I am Keyser Soze.
You can't be Sose, I have a friend whose brother has a on/off girlfriend whose mother has a sister whose brother in law once met a man who saw sose.
So it can't be you.
Quote from: SeanchaiIsn't it interesting how many new, Jackalope-centered posters we have all of a sudden? How many sockpuppets can one guy create?
You don't think...no! Surely he wouldn't do that.
!i!
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaYou don't think...no! Surely he wouldn't do that.
!i!
Not on Rex Manning Day!
Quote from: CthyYou can't be Sose, I have a friend whose brother has a on/off girlfriend whose mother has a sister whose brother in law once met a man who saw sose.
So it can't be you.
I remember that guy! His name was Craig and I cut his arms off before burning him in a pyre of rags and kerosene.
True story.
Quote from: Last KnightNot on Rex Manning Day!
Marc sucks
Zardoz has managed to derail a thread by calling Pundit a racist. Jackalope called Gleichman a racist in one in his first couple of posts here. Granted, Zardoz comes across as JLope's slower cousin.....but am I the only one who sees a pattern here :raise:
And so begins the Sockpuppet Wars - not to be confused with the Cocksmock Wars (Noxgate for the uninformed)
Regards,
David R
Can't the admins do an IP trace or something like that? It's a bit tedious.
If only the two of them would post with simultaneous time-stamps.
Go back to TBP, sockpuppets! :razz:
!i!
TBP - The Big Purple = RPGNET
Regards,
David R
If you suspect a sockpuppet, PM me directly with the usernames you suspect.
However, there is no evidence to suggest a sockpuppet in this thread.
Quote from: David RZardoz has managed to derail a thread by calling Pundit a racist. Jackalope called Gleichman a racist in one in his first couple of posts here. Granted, Zardoz comes across as JLope's slower cousin.....but am I the only one who sees a pattern here :raise:
And so begins the Sockpuppet Wars - not to be confused with the Cocksmock Wars (Noxgate for the uninformed)
Regards,
David R
For the last time, pinheads, I am not jackalope.
WTF is "Noxgate", BTW?
Quote from: ZardozFor the last time, pinheads, I am not jackalope.
WTF is "Noxgate", BTW?
Something you don't wanna mix with alcohol.
But seriously - do a search on the user name "Dominus Nox" and all will be revealed. Or just click on his name in an old thread or two.
On other forums he goes by the handle of "Beatnik Gamer".
On the SJG Forums he had at least 5 different name because he went through so many soxckpuppets. One of the names there was 'nomad'.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Chango Chiwell what's the deal here, I found this site by accidentally finding a blog about RPGpundit, it made me lol, and seeing as I was rejected from RPG.net rather arbitrarily (don't listen to that lying douchecock crackwhoremaster faggot), I thought it would be interesting to find out what this place was about, but really, I don't care, RPG.net didn't really offer me anything anyways, and the forum is populated with so many massive faggots I would've left in another week anyways.
There are some massive faggots here too. Also some that aren't so massive.
Incidentally, you got your ban for sockpuppeting, not for "hacking".
Now we have a guy who says "lulz" without irony.
We will deserve the bashing the Big Purple gives us.
I think I have to go make a character or something. :ninja:
Quote from: HackmastergeneralI remember that guy! His name was Craig and I cut his arms off before burning him in a pyre of rags and kerosene.
True story.
Shit, small world dude.
Isn´t this somehow like Coke talking about Pepsi, whereas us Pepsi-nistas only talk about Pepsi, and how Snapple is not even Soda?
Quote from: KoltarBut seriously - do a search on the user name "Dominus Nox" and all will be revealed. Or just click on his name in an old thread or two.
On other forums he goes by the handle of "Beatnik Gamer".
ORLY?
Does that mean he has actually written for CoC? Or is he just talking out his arse?
Quote from: SettembriniIsn´t this somehow like Coke talking about Pepsi, whereas us Pepsi-nistas only talk about Pepsi, and how Snapple is not even Soda?
When Coke talks about Pepsi, it's a win for Pepsi.
When Pepsi talks about Coke, it looks like it's trying too hard because it really wishes it were Coke.
It's the Big Brother/Little Brother syndrome - like when people from Milwaukee talk bad about people from Chicago. Ever want to get in a fight in Milwaukee? Tell them they are a suburb of Chicago.
I'd rather be Coke ignoring Pepsi.
And that's about as many bad mixed metaphors and similes as I can muster this early in the morning.
Quote from: Chango Chiwell what's the deal here, I found this site by accidentally finding a blog about RPGpundit, it made me lol, and seeing as I was rejected from RPG.net rather arbitrarily (don't listen to that lying douchecock crackwhoremaster faggot), I thought it would be interesting to find out what this place was about, but really, I don't care, RPG.net didn't really offer me anything anyways, and the forum is populated with so many massive faggots I would've left in another week anyways.
Stop whining about RPG.net, start talking about RPGs.
HG> You do periodically talk about games. Most of the new posters however, have done nothing but whine like little fucking kids about irrelevant bullshit. They need to know this is a site for discussing RPGs, not a site for whining about what happened to them on the rest of the internet.
Kyle used to run stats on how much people posted in the RPG-related sections of this website vs. how much they posted in the off-topic section. Some of these new guys are going to have to write fucking books just to balance out.
Quote from: PseudoephedrineStop whining about RPG.net, start talking about RPGs.
HG> You do periodically talk about games. Most of the new posters however, have done nothing but whine like little fucking kids about irrelevant bullshit. They need to know this is a site for discussing RPGs, not a site for whining about what happened to them on the rest of the internet.
Kyle used to run stats on how much people posted in the RPG-related sections of this website vs. how much they posted in the off-topic section. Some of these new guys are going to have to write fucking books just to balance out.
:emot-flowers:
To me, RPG.Net is like France -- A very nice place that is somewhere far away, and I enjoy leaving it there.
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaYou don't think...no! Surely he wouldn't do that.
You're right, you're right. That would require forethought and plannning.
Seanchai
Aww... someone ratted out Beatnick gamer on tbP... :( Nox was boing pretty good over there. Pretty funny IMO.
I don't think it was really a matter of 'ratting out'.
Although, FWIW, you already know that people from TBP cruise through here on a regular basis, and it's been mentioned repeatedly that Dominus Nox = beatnik gamer.
I go on both, but ratting someone out is pathetic.
Quote from: CthyI go on both, but ratting someone out is pathetic.
It ain't like the old days, paisan.
Omerta died the day gamers got their first taste of the OGL. That shit fucked 'our thing' up but good, no one could resist.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!To me, RPG.Net is like France -- A very nice place that is somewhere far away, and I enjoy leaving it there.
I'm with you Doc.
Quote from: SigmundI'm with you Doc.
I'm siding with Doc and Sigmund on this one. I used to enjoy a good TBP or Forge rant as much as the next guy, but reading the personal messages that Jackalope sent in response to issues he was having with the TBP mods and assorted posters was somewhat sobering. Here we have a guy who is a self-confessed criminal justice major talking about committing multiple crimes just because he is pissed off at the way he is treated on a RPG message board. That is fucked up IMHO. Nobody should take this shit that seriously when they are completely free to walk away from the computer at any time.
And people who compare Jackalope and Pundit are way off the mark IMO.
Quote from: GrimjackHere we have a guy who is a self-confessed criminal justice major talking about committing multiple crimes just because he is pissed off at the way he is treated on a RPG message board.
I'm not making accusations but I've heard on a documentary that many serial criminals major in some sort of law enforcement at some point. They're either trying to figure themselves out or trying to learn techniques to become better criminals.
I once worked in a supermarket cash office with a girl who was a criminal justice major. She got the ax for altering customer checks* and stealing several hundred $ from the safe.
*customer writes a check for 10 dollars, but leaves room on the amount line and in the box- a couple of well placed pen strokes and it's 110.00$. The checks are electronically coded before they ever leave the store, and the bank uses a machine to look at them- which reads the MICR code and hits the customer account for whatever is printed there. If the customer isn't wathcing their account, it can pass through without ever getting spotted.
FWIW I've worked for banks as a teller, an account investigator, and a fraud investigator and I am actually shocked that anyone ever gets their money where it's supposed to go ever.
Quote from: NicephorusI'm not making accusations but I've heard on a documentary that many serial criminals major in some sort of law enforcement at some point. They're either trying to figure themselves out or trying to learn techniques to become better criminals.
I'm not going to stereotype but from personal experience in dealing with a large number of criminal justice majors (cops, probation officers, some prison guards) but I agree with you in that I've known a few who get into the profession for all the wrong reasons such as the ones you mentioned or even as a crutch for their egos in order to get respect and/or fear from the public (and yes, more than a few people go to law school for that reason too). Fortunately the vast majority aren't like that though.
Quote from: AosFWIW I've worked for banks as a teller, an account investigator, and a fraud investigator and I am actually shocked that anyone ever gets their money where it's supposed to go ever.
QFT. And there are even options for the less sophisticated criminal. For example, I had a case once with a guy who handed his check to the woman at one of these check cashing places and then when she counted the money out he grabbed both the check and the cash and ran for it....and the stupid thing was that it was actually a check legitimately made out to him. He just wanted to cash it multiple times. So yeah, it is something of a miracle that money ever gets where it is supposed to go.
LOL Remember our friend ChangoChi? TT has a sticky in his "honor". 10 socks banned, all for porn spamming.
And I think one of 'em was trying to stir it up between the boards...saying it was a regular here that was posting. Specifically :
Quoteyeah, whatever, knowing the people at that site, they would pull some kind of crap like this. Have you ever read the guys blog who runs that site?
Yeah, I know. It's passe to post shit like this.
And I almost agree with this:
QuoteIt's just some guy who got banned here and on the rpgsite (a real acheivement, I might add)
as this forum is very well behaved. Unlike another board I can mention.
....also it looks like the nickname 'TBP" for The Big Purple bothers somebody over there. Take a look at post #35 and onward :
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=388627&page=4
- Ed C.
Lets just keep those axes grinding...
It amuses me. I have no real axe to grind, as I can freely post at either place.
Well, as freely as the average user over there anyway.
Quote from: shewolfIt amuses me. I have no real axe to grind, as I can freely post at either place.
Well, as freely as the average user over there anyway.
S'alright - probably directed at me and a couple of others.
- Ed
I think one of the most sickening things about the TPP (The putrid purple) is the way people there are starting to feed into the mods godhood delusions with those "posters" making the mods out to be such awesome godlike badasses, and praising them like petty divinities.
It's bad enough the mods there like to mock their critics by (supposedly) making jokes about being tyrants, but when the users start acting like they're gods and making those fucking posters praising their "badassesness" it just makes a man sick.
Just think of it as paying insurance premiums, Zardoz.
If you make the mods dislike you, they eventually find some reason to ban you. If you make them like you, then when people hit the report button for your posts, you get cut some slack.
It's a sensible approach.
Quote from: Kyle AaronJust think of it as paying insurance premiums, Zardoz.
If you make the mods dislike you, they eventually find some reason to ban you. If you make them like you, then when people hit the report button for your posts, you get cut some slack.
It's a sensible approach.
I call it toadying, sucking up and ass kissing.
But to each his own, I respect your view on the matter.
Quote from: ZardozI call it toadying, sucking up and ass kissing.
But to each his own, I respect your view on the matter.
Are we sure this guy ain't Nox with a new handle?
Just wondering......
- Ed
Quote from: ZardozI call it toadying, sucking up and ass kissing.
That's a negative way to put it. Accurate, but negative.
I prefer just to call it "paying your insurance premium."
Quote from: ZardozBut to each his own, I respect your view on the matter.
I speak from experience of a whimsical bannzorzing :)
So what do you all get out of bashing RPGnet?
I can understand if you have been done wrong by some Moderator from there in the past, but I don't get it if you've brought your bannonization upon yourself by doing something stupid.
I admit, Stephenls smartass commentary doesn't help matters and was beneath him, still I don't see the reason to continue with the forum vs. forum bashfest. So, enlighten me on this.
EDIT: I've just finished reading The Levi Rant/Encounter thread, and that makes my stomach turn while giving me a better picture of what's going on.
For this site to grow, to move from strength to strength, we need to get over the RPG.net stuff. I would like to see this site as a forward thinkning forum which can have have mature converstaions about aspects of our hobby without the need for mods, hugs, kittens etc.
To be the best, which we are perfectly capable of becoming, we need to let go of the past and start building for the future.
:cool:
Quote from: jeff37923So what do you all get out of bashing RPGnet?
Think of it as therapy. It's nice to get those frustrations out from time to time, ya know? :)
Quote from: CthyTo be the best, which we are perfectly capable of becoming, we need to let go of the past and start building for the future.
Vibes, man.
Quote from: walkerpVibes, man.
Fire in the hole!
Quote from: Sacrificial LambThink of it as therapy. It's nice to get those frustrations out from time to time, ya know? :)
I can grok the idea of theraputic venting, but it just seems that it has gone past that and has entered the realm of emotional masturbation in some cases.
EDIT: See, I've only had one minor problem with the Mods there and have had more problems with asinine posters who seem to consistantly self-destruct on RPGnet. This may be the cause of my lack of understanding.
Quote from: shewolfLOL Remember our friend ChangoChi? TT has a sticky in his "honor". 10 socks banned, all for porn spamming.
Just 10? I saw a new Mar 2008 poster just yesterday...
Seanchai
Well, that was what Nina had said. It could be more, but I don't know.
Quote from: KoltarAre we sure this guy ain't Nox with a new handle?
Just wondering......
- Ed
Yes, Ed as a matter of fact it is Nox. And the tech mods had managed to confirm that it was Nox almost from the beginning (just after he accused me of racism, irony of ironies).
I didn't take action until now because he'd been relatively quiet after that initial outburst, and I wanted to see how long it would take until he basically gave himself away.
Nox, sockpuppeting is not allowed here. You knew that, were warned about it, did it anyways. Thought you were being so clever, too, huh?
Well... bye.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditNox, sockpuppeting is not allowed here. You knew that, were warned about it, did it anyways. Thought you were being so clever, too, huh?
Woo-hoo!
I was right (http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=195242&postcount=13).
!i!
Heh. Lasted about a month. Not bad.
Quote from: walkerpVibes, man.
You! Sir, have been added to the list.
Consider yourself on borrowed time my friend, borrowed time. :mad:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :haw: :haw:
Cthy gonna get ya, Cthy gonna get ya.
Quote from: shewolfHeh. Lasted about a month. Not bad.
Yes, and it saddens me, because it shows that if Nox was just willing to contain himself a bit, to have acted under normal circumstances in the restrained way that I assume he did of late when he was trying to avoid detection, he could have been ok on this site.
Unfortunately, that wasn't the case; and instead of writing to me in private and trying to make a new start of things (which I might have been open to) he chose to try to use subterfuge and break one of the few solid rules we have around here.
Ah well.
RPGPundit
I'll give you this - you're a fair guy. You've got a fucking sailor mouth, and you're opinions can really suck, but you're a decent sort :)
It must be getting tiresome my constantly saying I love this place :D
Quote from: shewolfI'll give you this - you're a fair guy. You've got a fucking sailor mouth, and you're opinions can really suck, but you're a decent sort :)
It must be getting tiresome my constantly saying I love this place :D
Thank you, and it doesn't tire me out; I'm glad you dig this place.
RPGPundit
Did Nox every actually get banned, or just leave in embaressment? It'd seem weird if the guy left, then made a sockpuppet even if his regular account wasn't banned.
Quote from: Thanatos02Did Nox every actually get banned, or just leave in embaressment? It'd seem weird if the guy left, then made a sockpuppet even if his regular account wasn't banned.
If I recall correctly, he didn't get banned then.
I was way late to the party, but IIRC he got topic banned from OT.
Quote from: shewolfI was way late to the party, but IIRC he got topic banned from OT.
I forgot. I stand corrected.
Quote from: shewolfI'll give you this - you're a fair guy. You've got a fucking sailor mouth, and you're opinions can really suck, but you're a decent sort :)
For what it's worth, although I think Pundit's views on many things RPG related are seven kinds of stupid, he does run a good show here.
Plus, the man knows his Amber, which is what brought me to this site in the first place. Pundits Amber threads should be mandatory reading for anyone looking for inspiration.
Awesome little fun going down over in Trouble Tickets.
Jared Sorenson came back, unasked, using a sockpuppet (though not really because it was just a modification of his name so he wasn't trying to hide again). Got found out and got banned again. The thread where this is discussed brought out the sycophants and also revealed the hilarious reason why he was banned in the first place:
QuoteUnfortunately it looks like the thread in which the ban went down was eaten by the crash...
But here's what happened, as I remember it. Perhaps one of the other mods or Admins can check my work here.
There was a thread in Open entitled "Nazis are munchkins." In the thread, people made fun of the nazis of WWII, comparing some of the things they had done in the war to the tactics of munchkin/powergamer roleplayers - tanks that are too big to actually move, for example. There was no mention of nazi atrocities, war crimes, or the Holocaust - in fact, the thread was all about mocking the nazis - which is permitted (if not encouraged) by board policy.
Sorensen posted a complaint about the "hate speech" in the thread and later reported it. He ended the post with "my mod voice is black," apparently trying to pass himself off as a member of the forum staff.
In response, Darren MacLennan posted a red-text response - trying to pass oneself off as a mod is not allowed. Sorensen's replied by saying that his (Darren's) conduct was unacceptable, and told Darren that if he continued he would be suspended...
I received Sorensen's report, read the thread, and saw what Sorensen was doing. Considering that Sorensen has been a source of many problems in the past - he just had a six-month suspension from April to September - I decided that he wasn't working out here on rpg.net, and perma-banned him.
Here's the TT thread:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=390820
Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like Jared was being a tool and got banned for it. What's wrong with that?
I don't know. The way it was talked about, I thought he had done something actually, you know, bad. The way they talk about his use of red typeface is like talking about someone who stole a police car and was chasing people down or something. It doesn't strike you as being a bit circular and childish?
Personally, what annoyed me was that he was contributing to the discussion and he just got yanked. This was after some real kindergarten teacher like manipulation by Nina in a discussion on the OGL license in the D20 sub-forum. I was just kind of getting back into some good discussions over there when the moderation reared its ugly head. Reminded me of my appreciation of the freedom of speech we get over here.
Quote from: Thanatos02Did Nox every actually get banned, or just leave in embaressment? It'd seem weird if the guy left, then made a sockpuppet even if his regular account wasn't banned.
Wasn't Nox restricted access to a part of the forum?
Or, could just be like me, and got the bright idea to scramble his email and password thinking he'd never come back.
Quote from: walkerpI don't know. The way it was talked about, I thought he had done something actually, you know, bad. The way they talk about his use of red typeface is like talking about someone who stole a police car and was chasing people down or something. It doesn't strike you as being a bit circular and childish?
I thought it had to do with some misleading scheme he had performed with his little game company.
Quote from: Gabriel2I thought it had to do with some misleading scheme he had performed with his little game company.
No, that was why he and John Wick got 6 months of suspension - they spent several days getting people on the boards riled up about a supposed takeover of Jared's company. Wick in particular contributed to all kinds of flame-ups. And when the mods found out it was a pathetic attempt at an April Fool's joke (combined with a Blair Witch-esque marketing campaign for some new book of Jared's, I believe) they were none too pleased.
I have a lot of issues with the way TBP was/is moderated, but Sorenson and Wick got what they deserved.
Quote from: walkerpI don't know. The way it was talked about, I thought he had done something actually, you know, bad. The way they talk about his use of red typeface is like talking about someone who stole a police car and was chasing people down or something. It doesn't strike you as being a bit circular and childish?
Personally, what annoyed me was that he was contributing to the discussion and he just got yanked. This was after some real kindergarten teacher like manipulation by Nina in a discussion on the OGL license in the D20 sub-forum. I was just kind of getting back into some good discussions over there when the moderation reared its ugly head. Reminded me of my appreciation of the freedom of speech we get over here.
I agree with you that the piling on by suck ups is aggravating. It's been a staple of RPG.net to lick some mod ass in Trouble Tickets. Usually, this is done by the dickless retards populating Tangency.
However, make no mistake about it: Jared Sorens
en knows exactly what he is doing. Jared has carefully cultivated his status as a roleplaying designer "indie rockstar". In fact, he predated Ron Edwards himself in that respect. While I don't think that's evil (or even bad) it doesn't make me very sympathetic to his "cause".
Basically, with each stunt, Jared is looking for publicity and to get his name out there. And it certainly works as he gets loads of hits and sales from this. So I think it's a little silly, amusing and misguided to use him as a poster for "moderator abuse" because he repeatedly pulls these stunts in bad faith.
I get a kick out of seeing all the drama surrounding him nonetheless. This includes your brand new two-week ban (which deserved according to RPG.net policies but still probably worth it).
If I was Sorens
en, I know what I would do: I would find gamer friends or close friends/family members and I would ask each of them to register to RPG.net under an anagram of Jared Sorens
en. And I would use these people to get my message across, which is perfectly legal, I think. That would certainly get administrators over there riled up and force them to make new rulings and it would be hilarious.
Yeah, you are right, CD. Jared was definitely up to something there (maybe he was just bored). It just annoyed me that they came and yanked him in the middle of the thread.
What's funny about my banning is for a little while there it almost seemed like we were going to have an adult conversation about it and then all of a sudden I got banned. It's like a late call in basketball. I think they saw I was making dangerously relevant points.
Quote from: walkerpI think they saw I was making dangerously relevant points.
No, I think they saw you were being a cunt. That's "cunt", not "brave internet rebel". "Dangerously relevant points"? You were not revealing the great truth to the unwashed masses or anything. You were whining and got extra pissy.
Quote from: danzig138No, I think they saw you were being a cunt. That's "cunt", not "brave internet rebel". "Dangerously relevant points"? You were not revealing the great truth to the unwashed masses or anything. You were whining and got extra pissy.
You know, the really funny thing, you would get banned for that on the site you are referencing. :D
Bill
Quote from: walkerpYeah, you are right, CD. Jared was definitely up to something there (maybe he was just bored). It just annoyed me that they came and yanked him in the middle of the thread.
What's funny about my banning is for a little while there it almost seemed like we were going to have an adult conversation about it and then all of a sudden I got banned. It's like a late call in basketball. I think they saw I was making dangerously relevant points.
You were. But you certainly had to suspect the open insults would result in a new banning. I mean, there were a lot of them and they weren't border line cases.
I think the problem is that it is obvious that you mean well and you care (or you have fooled me) but with this latest exit, you are giving them justifications to keep you on a short leach because this latest ban is very much justifiable and pretty spectacular (it wasn't just one insult, you repeatedly insulted and weren't even provoked/trolled).
With this history you now have, are they even going to tolerate you questioning a mod call on TT, even if you stay polite? I'm just saying, be careful because I sense you want a real dialog with them but you undeniably went about it in a way that justified a suspension and makes you less likely to be tolerated.
Questioning moderator policies is fine, but if you go about it by breaking the rules, you are just, in a way, negating the effect you are going for because you're actually reinforcing the belief that strict moderation is required. If that makes sense.
PS: Having said that, I can't count the number of times I have been tempted to go over there and say what I think or insult some fuckwad. So I totally understand the frustration. But I have decided not to do it. Like you, I appreciate many things about RPG.net. So I am content to lurk except for the odd post to correct misconceptions about theRPGsite. (I may have done this once or twice).
I was never banned (or even formally warned, I believe). And I am content that way.
Conclusions:
RPG.net remains a fucking hole, this thread has nothing to do with RPGs and is fucking poisonous to the mind and we should stop complaining about the actions of a fucking hole and the trogs who post to it and start posting about RPGs and the trogs who we can at least run through with an imaginary sword.
I'm lucky - I say everything I want to mu hubby :D And that means I don't say something stupid on TBP, and I get to have my "fight" with him without any actual fight. Which keeps us married :)
Quote from: PseudoephedrineConclusions:
RPG.net remains a fucking hole, this thread has nothing to do with RPGs and is fucking poisonous to the mind and we should stop complaining about the actions of a fucking hole and the trogs who post to it and start posting about RPGs and the trogs who we can at least run through with an imaginary sword.
I'm J Arcane, and I fucking endorse this goddamn message.
Quote from: danzig138No, I think they saw you were being a cunt. That's "cunt", not "brave internet rebel". "Dangerously relevant points"? You were not revealing the great truth to the unwashed masses or anything. You were whining and got extra pissy.
The
undeniable fact that a lot of people engage in the sport of boot-licking over on Trouble Tickets may not be a "great truth" but it's still the fucking truth.
I think I've been hanging out here too long because I really didn't think that a general "you pussies" counted as a personal attack. I mean, I knew that I was on dangerous ground and was kind of surprised they let me go on for as long as they did, but I was thinking more about the calling the mod call "horseshit" than any personal attack. I guess that's the group attack loophole. But which group did I attack? TT sycophants? Tangency?
Your way is better, CD, but I'm just not wired like that. My mouth has mellowed a bit in my dotage, but not much. It gets me in trouble in the real world and now on the internet!
Quote from: PseudoephedrineConclusions:
RPG.net remains a fucking hole, this thread has nothing to do with RPGs and is fucking poisonous to the mind and we should stop complaining about the actions of a fucking hole and the trogs who post to it and start posting about RPGs and the trogs who we can at least run through with an imaginary sword.
Well the thing is is that there has been some interesting conversation over on rpg open, which is why I was there. We were actually having a good indie vs. trad discussion with no rancour and some good insights.
Plus, I'm glad to have a forum where I can go and bitch about those trogs and get some sympathy. It restores my faith in humanity after the flock of sucky vultures that hover around TT.
I'm writing an RPG about faux-Buddhist monks who fight demons using peace, love and kindness in a land that's a badly-informed pastiche of ancient India, Bollywood movies and Buddhist cosmology. It's totally diceless, with a very crunchy tactical system that I'm working on right now and you can beam loving-kindness at a lock to unlock it, and you have to, because there's no skill system or other task resolution system outside of the diceless dharma combat system. Poisons are fucking awesome in it.
Oh yeah, I also forgot about the thread-locking that the mods do. That's the one that really pissed me off the last time. You can tell the mods really love doing that. It's the old adage that the last people you want to be policemen are the people who want to be policemen. And even Darren had a little logical "trap" he got me into. What a bunch of sanctimonious little cunts.
I went back and read that thread. I have no love for Darren by any means, but I gotta say, you were acting like a tool. I just don't see the cause for all the self rightous indignation.
"Look Mom, the retarded Mods are touching their nutsacks!"
"Now they are flinging poo!"
Quote from: Acta Est FabulaI went back and read that thread. I have no love for Darren by any means, but I gotta say, you were acting like a tool. I just don't see the cause for all the self rightous indignation.
On some boards you reap cachet by designing games. On others you get to be a cool kid by being banned from RPG.net. Every place has its perceived insider initiations, and with them plenty of folks banging on the door to get in.
Quote from: HalfjackOn some boards you reap cachet by designing games. On others you get to be a cool kid by being banned from RPG.net. Every place has its perceived insider initiations, and with them plenty of folks banging on the door to get in.
What's this one? Bashing rpg.net? I guess I never fully understood the reasoning behind bashing another forum or previously banned users repeatedly. It's not like it will change anything. Just move on and have your own discussions. To each his own I guess...
Actually, a great number of us would like to get beyond the rpg.net bashing. For a lamentably brief period, there was little rpg.net bashing to be found here. Someone then mentioned that in a thread, and all thought TheRPGSite had finally moved on.
But some tool always has to stir it up again. Some female poster they stalked is banned. Others crow about their banning like it's a badge of honor. It's really stupid. This site has plenty to offer on its own, and crap like this just drags it down.
Then again, I always end up reading these threads....
Quote from: PseudoephedrineI'm writing an RPG about faux-Buddhist monks who fight demons using peace, love and kindness in a land that's a badly-informed pastiche of ancient India, Bollywood movies and Buddhist cosmology. It's totally diceless, with a very crunchy tactical system that I'm working on right now and you can beam loving-kindness at a lock to unlock it, and you have to, because there's no skill system or other task resolution system outside of the diceless dharma combat system. Poisons are fucking awesome in it.
You joke, but I would run something like this. I feel bad for the author ....whose name I forget....but I would call this campaign :
The Cult of Loving Kindness.
Regards,
David R
Look on the bright side, Walkerp. There, you're thought of as a dick who breaks the rules. Here, you're just a dick. :D
Hey, you joke, but that makes a big difference! Here, Pundit can impugn my reputation and character and I can do it right back at him. There, ShannonA does the same and then they close the threads and ban me when I respond in kind. It's very frustrating.
And while I agree that hanging around here and shitting on rpg.net is not productive, they are the biggest open gaming site and there are some good discussions over there. So I'm going to keep railing against them here (and there) when their bullshit personal-politics based moderation policy gets in my way. And as far as getting into the cool club here, I have a feeling that this 2-week ban won't be enough for me.
Dude, you invented the dungeon furnace. That makes you all right in my book...
Quote from: PseudoephedrineI'm writing an RPG about faux-Buddhist monks who fight demons using peace, love and kindness in a land that's a badly-informed pastiche of ancient India, Bollywood movies and Buddhist cosmology. It's totally diceless, with a very crunchy tactical system that I'm working on right now and you can beam loving-kindness at a lock to unlock it, and you have to, because there's no skill system or other task resolution system outside of the diceless dharma combat system. Poisons are fucking awesome in it.
That's awesome. Is there a LARP version?
Quote from: Consonant DudeQuestioning moderator policies is fine...
Uh-huh...
Seanchai
Quote from: One Horse TownLook on the bright side, Walkerp. There, you're thought of as a dick who breaks the rules. Here, you're just a dick. :D
Not just that - A dick that compassionately wants to end humanity to better the planet's environment.
- Ed C.
Quote from: KoltarNot just that - A dick that compassionately wants to end humanity to better the planet's environment.
- Ed C.
Which makes him a kinder, gentler, more eco-friendly dick.
Quote from: walkerpWhat's funny about my banning is for a little while there it almost seemed like we were going to have an adult conversation about it and then all of a sudden I got banned. It's like a late call in basketball. I think they saw I was making dangerously relevant points.
You know, if you read the thread in Trouble Tickets you started that ended with your two week ban, you did everything you could to get yourself banned except run around naked with "Ban Me Motherfuckers!" tattooed on your ass.
You did it to yourself, again.
How dare the rules apply to me?!?!?
You know what I like about theRPGsite? We still have :rolleyes: here.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: KoltarNot just that - A dick that compassionately wants to end humanity to better the planet's environment.
Whereas most dicks just want to end humanity so they don't have to listen to dipshits like you blather anymore.
Quote from: JackalopeWhereas most dicks just want to end humanity so they don't have to listen to dipshits like you blather anymore.
This from the guy whose behavior towards RPGnet members nearly got him arrested.
I've got my difficulties with Koltar, but he doesn't deserve that bullshit. Especially not from a morally retarded sociopath like yourself.
Walker has become a sort of virtual punching bag over at the big purple. Some users share their suspicions that he returned as a homophobic troll through sock puppets. In the interest of fanning the flames a little, here's the link:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=391089
Quote from: Consonant DudeWalker has become a sort of virtual punching bag over at the big purple. Some users share their suspicions that he returned as a homophobic troll through sock puppets. In the interest of fanning the flames a little, here's the link:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=391089
Didn't see the incident, but that sounds more like Chango_Cat's brand of idiocy.
Quote from: Consonant DudeWalker has become a sort of virtual punching bag over at the big purple. Some users share their suspicions that he returned as a homophobic troll through sock puppets. In the interest of fanning the flames a little, here's the link:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=391089
It's also worth noting that the mods did their best to disabuse people of the idea.
Christ, and I said I'd never post to another RPGnet related topic here. Relapse! Relapse! Someone get me to a meeting!
etc. ;)
Quote from: Consonant DudeI agree with you that the piling on by suck ups is aggravating. It's been a staple of RPG.net to lick some mod ass in Trouble Tickets. Usually, this is done by the dickless retards populating Tangency.
For what it's worth, and just speaking for myself, CD: I can assure you that I have no list of ass-kissers who can expect to get preferential treatment. In fact, I seldom bother to read "suck up" posts, let alone take note of who posts them. :) If a person breaks a rule, s/he breaks a rule, period.
On a related note, if an establishment of any sort has rules that I don't like, I generally don't frequent the establishment in question.
(And as an aside, the title of this thread's become wonderfully ironic. ;) )
Quote from: Dan Davenport(And as an aside, the title of this thread's become wonderfully ironic. ;) )
An even further sidenote : This thread itself was started by the sockpuppet of a computer user who has now been banned in 4 or 5 places across the net.
Not trying to prop up Dan's point - but that is kinda weird.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Dan DavenportFor what it's worth, and just speaking for myself, CD: I can assure you that I have no list of ass-kissers who can expect to get preferential treatment. In fact, I seldom bother to read "suck up" posts, let alone take note of who posts them. :) If a person breaks a rule, s/he breaks a rule, period.
On a related note, if an establishment of any sort has rules that I don't like, I generally don't frequent the establishment in question.
(And as an aside, the title of this thread's become wonderfully ironic. ;) )
I don't care that TBP has rules, if you don't like them you can post here or elsewhere, but I agree with Walkerp that the suck-ups who drool on the mods shoes and rush to report anything that could even remotely be construed as being an "attack" are extremely annoying. That said, I can't disagree with Dan's point that no one gets preferential treatment by being a suck up. Maybe it happens but I personally have never seen it so IMO the problem is the posters and not the Mods in this case.
I agree as well that the mods don't really give preferential treatment. But it creates a very loud environment where the issue at hand gets ignored. Anything I posted that was a valid concern was immediately drowned out by 5 people saying "you broke the rules!" (admittedly, my approach was less than diplomatic, but even when it was diplomatic in the past it didn't quiet down the sycophants at all).
What's really, really frustrating is that none of those people ever post in the gaming sections, so they don't know me at all. That's why when that sockpuppet showed up, one person showed up to defend me (bless you, C.W. Richeson) and that's because he is a gamer who talks about gaming. The rest of those people I've never heard of before.
I'm not asking for preferential treatment, but I do think some respect and appreciation of history and context would make for more productive discussions between the mods and the complainant.
Damn, how were those accusations not considered a personal attack? I love the accuser's "evidence" that walkerp was using a sockpuppet account. Hope that person never sits on a jury.
Sorta-kinda related: I still read rpg.net's game-related boards, though not as regularly as I used to. The PC-ness does get a little silly sometimes, but seriously, if you want to see the ultimate in PC gaming debate, do a bit of searching for the Magic Girl vs. Candyland Girl flamewars on boardgamegeek.com. It got so sanctimonious and sickeningly sweet that I pretty much abandoned the site, something I rarely do. I was really loving the place for a while, had very positive responses to the reviews and replays I posted up, even made a couple non-virtual friends there. But after a series of moves to make the site more family-oriented (post ratings, bannings with little justification, etc.), the Magic Girl debate (it was over a picture!) scaled heights of ridiculosity I never thought possible.
Quote from: JackalopeWhereas most dicks just want to end humanity so they don't have to listen to dipshits like you blather anymore.
Ah, so that explains your self-destructive behavior. You're actually trying to do us all a favor!
Quote from: Dan DavenportIf a person breaks a rule, s/he breaks a rule, period.
Yeah, but anybody who has been to TBP knows that's not the case. For example, the moderators says things in red that would get other posters in trouble and it's okay for Ryan Dancey to be a punchbag, but Kevin Siembieda is off limits.
Seanchai
Quote from: KenHRActually, a great number of us would like to get beyond the rpg.net bashing.
And I'm about 10 of those people, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: Dan DavenportIf a person breaks a rule, s/he breaks a rule, period.
)
Unless they are named "Curt", who is not only allowed to make attacks against posters in public that would get others warned or banned and makes very clear personal attacks via PM (which I believe a person was banned for just in the past 2 weeks), but instead of getting punished he gets to be a MOD.
Quote from: SeanchaiYeah, but anybody who has been to TBP knows that's not the case. For example, the moderators says things in red that would get other posters in trouble and it's okay for Ryan Dancey to be a punchbag, but Kevin Siembieda is off limits.
Quote from: Acta Est FabulaUnless they are named "Curt", who is not only allowed to make attacks against posters in public that would get others warned or banned and makes very clear personal attacks via PM (which I believe a person was banned for just in the past 2 weeks), but instead of getting punished he gets to be a MOD.
Please let me reiterate that I'm not speaking on behalf of the RPGnet Mods, nor am I going to try to defend any calls made in the past. (Many of which were made before I was made a Moderator anyway.)
I'm simply saying that I, personally, do not give anyone any slack for being a toady. But since you bring it up, I have no list of "Untouchables" for any
other reason, either.
Quote from: SeanchaiYeah, but anybody who has been to TBP knows that's not the case. For example, the moderators says things in red that would get other posters in trouble and it's okay for Ryan Dancey to be a punchbag, but Kevin Siembieda is off limits.
As someone who has frequently trashed Siembieda on TBP (in my capacity as the official Megaversal Critic), and never got a single warning for it, I assure you that Kevin is most certainly not off-limits as a punching bag. I've used him for both the speed bag and the heavy bag dozens of times. :D
Quote from: jgantsAs someone who has frequently trashed Siembieda on TBP (in my capacity as the official Megaversal Critic), and never got a single warning for it, I assure you that Kevin is most certainly not off-limits as a punching bag. I've used him for both the speed bag and the heavy bag dozens of times. :D
Palladium in general, and it's fans, are pretty much open season on RPGnet, always have been, and daring object to that fact is a good way to find yourself on the fast track to bansville.
I mean, for fuck's sake, one of the moderators once started a thread that basically stated that only 13-year olds with self-esteem problems liked Palladium games.
Quote from: Dan DavenportPlease let me reiterate that I'm not speaking on behalf of the RPGnet Mods, nor am I going to try to defend any calls made in the past. (Many of which were made before I was made a Moderator anyway.)
I'm simply saying that I, personally, do not give anyone any slack for being a toady. But since you bring it up, I have no list of "Untouchables" for any other reason, either.
I understand, and it is not my intent to label you with any broad brush strokes or accuse you personally of any questionable activities. If it came across as such, I apologize.
Quote from: Acta Est FabulaI understand, and it is not my intent to label you with any broad brush strokes or accuse you personally of any questionable activities. If it came across as such, I apologize.
I appreciate that, Acta. But no worries: no offense taken. :)
Quote from: Dan DavenportFor what it's worth, and just speaking for myself, CD: I can assure you that I have no list of ass-kissers who can expect to get preferential treatment. In fact, I seldom bother to read "suck up" posts, let alone take note of who posts them. :) If a person breaks a rule, s/he breaks a rule, period.
I'd never suspect otherwise, man. Never.
In fact, I would think most moderators ignore the ass-kissing.
My problem is more the
vibe I get from these pile-ins. It often looks like a mob just waiting for the next hangin'. It's... uncomfortable and sometimes mean-spirited. I'm particularly thinking of this latest incident where Walker is accused of things while he's suspended.
Now, many people probably know I have my differences with Walker but... I'd never dream of accusing him of such things. Nobody who has spent anytime talking to this guy would. He just doesn't fit the homophobic retard profile.
Quote from: Dan DavenportOn a related note, if an establishment of any sort has rules that I don't like, I generally don't frequent the establishment in question.
Yeah, that's the wisest thing to do, I guess. That's why I was never warned or banned. I still take a peak at the establishment, though. Because there's a lot of things I find interesting over there and a lot of posters I actually enjoy :D
Quote from: Consonant DudeIf I was Sorensen, I know what I would do: I would find gamer friends or close friends/family members and I would ask each of them to register to RPG.net under an anagram of Jared Sorensen. And I would use these people to get my message across, which is perfectly legal, I think. That would certainly get administrators over there riled up and force them to make new rulings and it would be hilarious.
Yay! Quoting myself!
I don't know if it's my fault, but Sorensen is soliciting help to pull this stunt on his LJ. And RPG.net has already been "warned" by a poster:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=391244
http://memento-mori.livejournal.com/285765.html
:p
I think you have to take credit for the idea, CD. And thanks for keeping us updated. Hijinks to ensue!
We need a name for the suck-ups. Courtesans? Eunuchs? Yeah, I like courtesans. Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.
Walker - you're right you need a word - but why Courtesans??
Its almost an insult to courtesans. Historically they had more style than the people that you want to describe.
- Ed C.
Quote from: walkerpI think you have to take credit for the idea, CD. And thanks for keeping us updated. Hijinks to ensue!
We need a name for the suck-ups. Courtesans? Eunuchs? Yeah, I like courtesans. Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.
It's already taking place.
I still feel bad about this because, like his games or not (I don't), Jared designs games. He's also a positive presence in the industry, as I believe he gives seminars and apparently, is really good at it.
My suggestion was more as a way for him to keep a web presence over at RPG.net. Not through sock puppets but rather individuals who are clearly linked to him yet NOT him.
Another way to go about it which might be amusing would be for him to incorporate his company and "hire", for a nominal fees, a bunch of employees, which would include spokespersons who report "President Sorensen's thoughts on gaming matters". They could have obvious signatures to this effect and perhaps an avatar theme. I can't see how this one is against the rules.
The point is, people who frequent RPG.net has their main message boards and might be interested in Sorensen's game should be able to find information there.
Quote from: SeanchaiYeah, but anybody who has been to TBP knows that's not the case. For example, the moderators says things in red that would get other posters in trouble and it's okay for Ryan Dancey to be a punchbag, but Kevin Siembieda is off limits.
Seanchai
Mr Dancey threw plenty of punches back at me.
Quote from: walkerpWe need a name for the suck-ups. Courtesans? Eunuchs? Yeah, I like courtesans. Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.
Sounds more like 'courtiers'.
Still not sure why so many people are bothered (hell,
personally offended) by the place. It's like going to Daily Kos and bitching about all the Obama supporters, or calling SocNet.com 'militaristic'.
It's a place for left-of-center geeks to talk to one another. It started as an RPG site; it's turned into a place for all kinds of geeky shit. At least they have the courtesy to lump the keetoms-and-vibes in Tangency, where you can ignore it if you wish, and still go to the site for RPG stuff.
Don't like it, don't read it. And, while it's nice of people to stick up for Jared Sorenson, he and his boyfriend John Wick are a pair of twats. Perhaps I misremember, but I don't recall Wick lasting long here, where he could be called on his silly shit.
Quote from: laffingboyDon't like it, don't read it. And, while it's nice of people to stick up for Jared Sorenson, he and his boyfriend John Wick are a pair of twats. Perhaps I misremember, but I don't recall Wick lasting long here, where he could be called on his silly shit.
John Wick got a shitty reception when he appeared here. It was totally undeserved. I would have stayed if I was him, but I can understand why he didn't.
Quote from: walkerpWe need a name for the suck-ups.
Just what this hobby needs. Another made up term when plain English will do just fine.
Regards,
David R
Quote from: Consonant DudeJohn Wick got a shitty reception when he appeared here. It was totally undeserved. I would have stayed if I was him, but I can understand why he didn't.
Deserve's got nothing to do with it. The whole point of this place is that everyone's equal, with no hall monitors to run to. If you get shit on, shit back.
Serious Paul and his frat brothers came in here like a douchebags, but he stuck around and became someone interesting to read. John Wick and Gareth-Michael Skarka, for all their posing as intellectual roughnecks who can take a hit, didn't.
Quote from: David RYou joke, but I would run something like this. I feel bad for the author ....whose name I forget....but I would call this campaign : The Cult of Loving Kindness.
Regards,
David R
Actually, I really am writing this (I've been working on it for about a year, off and on). Stay tuned for more when I've got the dharma techniques finished.
Quote from: laffingboyDeserve's got nothing to do with it. The whole point of this place is that everyone's equal, with no hall monitors to run to. If you get shit on, shit back.
That is veeeery easy to say for someone like you or I. With little notoriety, you can come to a forum and slowly establish the pace of your participation. And whatever history you carry around is usually limited.
As a game designer with more history, some people will see it as a bullseye that must be hit repeatedly. We have our share of mentally defective crusaders around here who like to do that very much.
Quote from: laffingboySerious Paul and his frat brothers came in here like a douchebags, but he stuck around and became someone interesting to read. John Wick and Gareth-Michael Skarka, for all their posing as intellectual roughnecks who can take a hit, didn't.
Serious Paul is an utter asshole. A hopeless individual carrying around his negativity and offering nothing constructive.
John Wick and GMS do stuff. I might not *like* the stuff GMS does, but he does it nonethless. Maybe they didn't "take a hit" because they have better things to do than repeatedly being confronted on irrelevant issues.
That's the position I've come to adopt on this forum in recent months. I say my piece and I move on. Unfortunately, no matter how much a guy like John Wick might wish to do so, he'd never be able to do that around here.
And frankly, as a creator in an unrelated field, I don't think it's healthy
at all to be confronted repeatedly on your craft. Not when people are rude and dishonest in their approach. Which was the case here.
In the end, I see their departure as a loss but as they say, mileage will vary.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!And I'm about 10 of those people, if you know what I mean.
And yet, here you are. It's pretty clear from the thread's title what you're going to find inside. And here you are.
Seanchai
Quote from: jgantsI assure you that Kevin is most certainly not off-limits as a punching bag.
He is. It was Darren who issued the warning, saying that folks could attack Palladium Books, his business practices, etc., but he was not to be commented on as a person. Contrast this with the whole thread about how Ryan Dancey is crazy.
Seanchai
Quote from: SeanchaiAnd yet, here you are. It's pretty clear from the thread's title what you're going to find inside. And here you are.
Seanchai
No - to be fair to good 'ol Doc Rotwang - he does kind of stay above the fray on this topic.
- Ed C.
Quote from: Consonant DudeAs a game designer with more history, some people will see it as a bullseye that must be hit repeatedly. We have our share of mentally defective crusaders around here who like to do that very much.
Then don't show up as a designer. No one could tell that "KittyBitch27" was actually GMS and there'd be no baggage. Of course, egos are involved, so...
Seanchai
Quote from: KoltarNo - to be fair to good 'ol Doc Rotwang - he does kind of stay above the fray on this topic.
He does. He's a good poster, etc., but if he doesn't want to read TBP bashing, it'd probably be a good idea to ignore threads titled "RPG.net still bashing this place..."
Seanchai
Quote from: SeanchaiThen don't show up as a designer. No one could tell that "KittyBitch27" was actually GMS and there'd be no baggage. Of course, egos are involved, so...
Seanchai
Hmmm... I don't know, man. I can see your point here, but does it
have to be ego exclusively? No, the further I think about it, the less I agree with you. Wouldn't you agree there is a real benefit for us, as users, to know that the person we address is involved with product X? Don't you appreciate some of those interactions?
I'm not saying Sean Punch HAS to be Sean Punch. But I sure appreciate when I know it's Sean Punch, and I can share thoughts on GURPS.
Plus, I think ego is involved in most internet interactions at some level or another. Not necessarily in a nasty way or anything. That's just how we are. I don't think you or I are any different.
Would you be so kind as to link me that thread about Dancey being crazy, please? Or if you remember the title or something? Thanks :)
Well at least with Sean Punch its pretty much public knowledge that he uses the nickname/handle Kromm or sometimes Dr. Kromm most of the time.
- Ed C.
Quote from: KoltarWell at least with Sean Punch its pretty much public knowledge that he uses the nickname/handle Kromm or sometimes Dr. Kromm most of the time.
- Ed C.
Yeah, yeah. That was a bad example. Dr. Kromm is synonymous with Punch in my mind.
I like it that way and think I (and others) benefit from him not being "Gurps_FAN_2008" or some anonymous nickname when he posts on forums.
Quote from: SeanchaiHe is. It was Darren who issued the warning, saying that folks could attack Palladium Books, his business practices, etc., but he was not to be commented on as a person. Contrast this with the whole thread about how Ryan Dancey is crazy.
Seanchai
Well, it's no secret that Darren has a list of people in the industry who he thinks of fondly and threatens to ban anyone who so much as says anything non-complimentary about them, while simultaneously ignoring worse behavior about others who he might not care as much about. He's done it before.
Consonant Dude makes some good points. A site where designers feel comfortable in hanging out is a good site. We have a few here and it's really cool. More would be better. Driving them away by being dicks is just as bad as driving them away with stupid moderation policies, in the end. And I know from experience that there was a lot of jumping to conclusions and excessive aggression to newbies here. It seems to have mellowed out a lot (coinciding with an equally appreciated absence of swine threads) and I hope it stays that way.
Quote from: Last KnightHow dare the rules apply to me?!?!?
You know what I like about theRPGsite? We still have :rolleyes: here.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And always will, while I live and breathe.
RPGPundit
Quote from: DrewIt's also worth noting that the mods did their best to disabuse people of the idea.
Really? That one throwaway line at the end was their BEST?
Seriously?
Because I could have sworn it seemed more like covering their asses while trying to damn with faint praise...
RPGPundit
Quote from: SeanchaiYeah, but anybody who has been to TBP knows that's not the case. For example, the moderators says things in red that would get other posters in trouble and it's okay for Ryan Dancey and Kevin Siembieda to be a punchbag, but R. Borgstrom or Bruce Baugh are off limits.
Seanchai
Fixed your typos.
Quote from: Consonant DudeYay! Quoting myself!
I don't know if it's my fault, but Sorensen is soliciting help to pull this stunt on his LJ. And RPG.net has already been "warned" by a poster:
:p
Yes, yes! Totally stolen from you. :)
Quote from: walkerpI think you have to take credit for the idea, CD. And thanks for keeping us updated. Hijinks to ensue!
We need a name for the suck-ups. Courtesans? Eunuchs? Yeah, I like courtesans. Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.
I've always like Simpering Toadies, myself.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Consonant DudeIt's already taking place.
I still feel bad about this because, like his games or not (I don't), Jared designs games. He's also a positive presence in the industry, as I believe he gives seminars and apparently, is really good at it.
My suggestion was more as a way for him to keep a web presence over at RPG.net. Not through sock puppets but rather individuals who are clearly linked to him yet NOT him.
Another way to go about it which might be amusing would be for him to incorporate his company and "hire", for a nominal fees, a bunch of employees, which would include spokespersons who report "President Sorensen's thoughts on gaming matters". They could have obvious signatures to this effect and perhaps an avatar theme. I can't see how this one is against the rules.
The point is, people who frequent RPG.net has their main message boards and might be interested in Sorensen's game should be able to find information there.
I'm feeling a little envious of Jared right now; my friends and admirers were just accused of being "Proxies"; his are now being threatened with Permabanning
by mere virtue of supporting him.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Consonant DudeJohn Wick got a shitty reception when he appeared here. It was totally undeserved. I would have stayed if I was him, but I can understand why he didn't.
I agree, and very much regret that he left.
RPGPundit
Quote from: walkerpWe need a name for the suck-ups. Courtesans? Eunuchs? Yeah, I like courtesans. Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.
Can I suggest Harpies? It has an established RPG precident after all.
Quote from: Consonant DudeWouldn't you agree there is a real benefit for us, as users, to know that the person we address is involved with product X? Don't you appreciate some of those interactions?
No. They've led to a culture of fawning idolatry.
And, personally, I don't really see that all that much is gained from interacting with designers. Sure, they can give you little insights into the game, etc., but they're hardly critical. And I'm not sure interacting with them in person provides much more beyond what you'd see in a blog post.
And they tend to be people. Just people. Even though their names are on books, they're kind of ordinary.
So, no, I don't see much of a draw in virtually hanging out with designers.
I know that forum officials do. Forum officials love to have them around, so that they can draw in the folks who do see having a designer around as a benefit. Then there's the prestige involved, etc.
But I did think of reason beyond ego that they might use their own name: to promote their products and company. Of course, if they're on the clock, then I'm sure they expect some abuse.
Seanchai
Quote from: RPGPunditFixed your typos.
How about we not be assholes? Let's leave the whole passive-aggressive, unamusing "fixed your typo" crap on TBP.
Seanchai
Quote from: SeanchaiHow about we not be assholes? Let's leave the whole passive-aggressive, unamusing "fixed your typo" crap on TBP.
Seanchai
I was gonna say that.
Excpet it was more like "Take it to Tangency!" :mad:
:p
Quote from: SeanchaiNo. They've led to a culture of fawning idolatry.
And, personally, I don't really see that all that much is gained from interacting with designers. Sure, they can give you little insights into the game, etc., but they're hardly critical. And I'm not sure interacting with them in person provides much more beyond what you'd see in a blog post.
And they tend to be people. Just people. Even though their names are on books, they're kind of ordinary.
I think you're throwing the baby with the bathwater.
Of course, I totally agree that they're just ordinary people. And that worship is frequent. But that's like saying "we should close RPG message boards because the discussions are often aggravating".
Quote from: SeanchaiHow about we not be assholes? Let's leave the whole passive-aggressive, unamusing "fixed your typo" crap on TBP.
Seanchai
Usually I dislike the whole "fixed your typo" technique, but I felt it was justified in this case since in fact I used it for good rather than ill.
Usually people "fix your typo" are actually turning around what you said and making it the opposite argument or some bullshit like that.
In this case, I was saying that your basic argument was absolutely correct: that certain "pet" designers are protected from criticism on RPG.net while others are open game.
It just happened that your particular examples were a bit off when looked at in general in the context of RPG.net's history; both Dancey and Siembieda are regularly shat upon, but many other "pet" designers (like Baugh and Borgstrom) are off limits to similar criticism.
RPGPundit
For some of us that are still relatively new here, what have people done here in the past to drive designers away?
Quote from: LancerFor some of us that are still relatively new here, what have people done here in the past to drive designers away?
It involved a skunk and Vaseline.
Seanchai
Quote from: Consonant DudeI think you're throwing the baby with the bathwater.
But, again, if the only way I could get information from designers was on the message board, I might agree. But I can visit blogs, company websites, etc..
Seanchai
Quote from: LancerFor some of us that are still relatively new here, what have people done here in the past to drive designers away?
Questioned our brilliance?
Bill
There were a few cases of what could be considered dogpiling; and others where it was really just a case of treating them by the same rules that all posters are treated by here (when they were expecting special attention and protection like some of them get elsewhere).
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Quote from: RPGPunditUsually I dislike the whole "fixed your typo" technique, but I felt it was justified in this case since in fact I used it for good rather than ill.
Usually people "fix your typo" are actually turning around what you said and making it the opposite argument or some bullshit like that.
In this case, I was saying that your basic argument was absolutely correct: that certain "pet" designers are protected from criticism on RPG.net while others are open game.
It just happened that your particular examples were a bit off when looked at in general in the context of RPG.net's history; both Dancey and Siembieda are regularly shat upon, but many other "pet" designers (like Baugh and Borgstrom) are off limits to similar criticism.
RPGPundit
So I'm crazy in remembering some negative threads about Borgstrom on RPG.net?
But I do agree it seems they let the "attack the idea not the person" rules fly out the window for Dancey and Siembeda. But fuck it all, they DESERVE to get lambasted for the stupid shit they pull. But I agree, if you wanted to post the same thing about Borgstrom someone does about Dancey, you should be able to. Or, they should moderate the Dancey threads the same way.
And Wick is a tool. I have no sympathy for him getting run off a board after all the shit he pulled on rpg.net behind the protection of being a some what high profile game designer on an rpg board that was loathe to sanction him for saying the stupid shit he did.
Darren's MST 3000-ing of his The Last Paladin was almost as funny as his FATAL review. And totally deserved. Hoisted on his own petard.
Pffft. They got as good as they gave, each and every one of 'em.
Same goes for rpg.net mods. If Cessna had stuck around, no-one except Seanchai would be hassling him, and everyone would tell Seanchai to shut the fuck up.
Anyone well-known to the board members is going to get a bit of a razzing when they show up. Stick it out a week or so and they'll ease off and then you'll only get as much as anyone else does.
Quote from: HackmastergeneralSo I'm crazy in remembering some negative threads about Borgstrom on RPG.net?
I certainly don't remember any. Of course, I do remember some individual criticisms of her; but I have never seen anyone sling even close to the same kind of attack against her that I have regularly seen against Siembieda (accusing him of being opportunistic, or insane) or Dancey (accusing him of being a self-serving megalomaniac).
And of course, one could certainly argue that Borgstrom is opportunistic, self-serving, megalomaniacal, insane, and a crappier game designer than Siembieda by far, at that! But try to say any of that about her on RPG.net and you'll be banned.
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Quote from: RPGPunditI certainly don't remember any. Of course, I do remember some individual criticisms of her; but I have never seen anyone sling even close to the same kind of attack against her that I have regularly seen against Siembieda (accusing him of being opportunistic, or insane) or Dancey (accusing him of being a self-serving megalomaniac).
And of course, one could certainly argue that Borgstrom is opportunistic, self-serving, megalomaniacal, insane, and a crappier game designer than Siembieda by far, at that! But try to say any of that about her on RPG.net and you'll be banned.
RPGPundit
I remember a few, but they were after you got banned - like two years ago I think. There was a fairly significant Borgstrom hate-on in one thread or another.
I don't remember any bannings coming from it that, within the context of RPG.net rules, weren't justifiable. I think I remember one guy getting banned, but he ripped into her pretty good, and in a wholly unacceptable way, by TBP standards. Given she posts there from time to time, its understandable. But I know there were others who were very openly critical of her, and weren't sanctioned. Because, again, they attacked the idea and the game, not her personally.
No, again, I have seen some people say similar things about Dancey, and they should have gotten at least warnings, if not suspensions. And Siembeda gets some significant hate-ons. But most I've seen are carefully couched to be critical of the game, or very specific actions he has taken. Of which, where Siembeda is concerned, there are MANY such specific actions that can be roundly criticized and mocked.
Quote from: HinterWeltQuestioned our brilliance?
Bill
:p